A solution to end hunger - that replaces your grass

[BeYonder]

The average suburban home has around 2500 sq feet of lawn.
What if we grew food instead of grass?
We would create new food economies that could help bring neighbors together through healthy living.

besides, all the chemicals that kill weeds etc.,
would also save people a lot of money, if they didn't buy them
and, depending on where you live, growing veggies; fruits; etc., instead of grass, makes good sense

[Odah]

turning part of the back yard into a garden is one thing .. the entire yard .. not to sure ..about that..

we do have to rething how we produce food as the end of the cheep fossil fuel age end at the same time many of the underground aquifirs are running dry that made farms very productive..as well as changing and much more random weather patterns further cut into production .


the salution won't be the same everywhere ..

[flower]

underground aquifirs are running dry

Hydroponic farming could feed africa...

[Odah]

Hydroponic farming could feed africa...

once the reings are taken off free energy .. there are real interesting methods for water desalination ..that come with nano tech..one method i have heard that is a few years away..is flowing the water throung in real time..releacing magnitized nanites that latch onto the salt.. then pulling the magitized salt out of the water with electro magnets ..with most of the earthgs population living close too the shore .. this will provide plenty of water..and you can build hydrponic buildings near population centers ..and grow food year round ..with clean fresh water.. no air polution.. and no herbacides ..

also you if you need fossil fuel ..natural gas plants to pick up any holes in the remewable generation rate.. you pump the co2 into the green houses because it it food for plants .

so really healthy food,freash water , cheap energy ..very close tech wise 5-10 years with it being built in developing countries faster than developed countries.

[music]

Hydroponic farming is not ideal. Who would eat by choice something grown in water under artificial light, when energetically and spiritually speaking, food grown in the earth under the sun is the natural choice.

It's all about choices made at different levels. Governments choose to subsidise production of water hungry and environmentally damaging cotton over the production of hemp for fibre. People who should know better choose foods containing GM material because it is cheaper.

And on hemp - the other strains (for the head, not to clothe the body): while bush weed (grown under sun in earth) is the one drug that makes us resistant to mind control and helps/allows us to cut through EM and other energetic pollution to access higher consciousness, the same is not true of hydro weed. The spiritual benefits of THC are not present in hydro weed. In my country, police target bush weed much more than hydro.

Just some food for thought while we are planning our future.

[Hughe]

I'm studying permaculture or natural farming on my house property, and a farm land. People call me an idiot or insane man. Ah~ I don't give a damn about it. Permaculture is like Free Energy technologies in agriculture IMHO. When I see and Bill Mollison and Masanobu Fukuoka's video and after reading 'The One-Straw Revolution', it struck me really hard by the revolutionary perspectives. "That's it."

Local farmers are busy of exploiting soils when the season starts. They dig up the soil by heavy machines, spread chemical fertilizers, and spray pesticides for weed/pest control. Korean farmers put seven pesticides on rice plants at least. I couldn't get organic seeds so far. I bought five bags of processed seeds by Made In China at a government farm agency. Farmers pretty much became slaves nowadays. They barely own seeds for planting anymore. If the government can't or won't supply seeds coming year, entire population will be in poverty because farmers do not grow vegetables or corps except rice. Humans poison new born babies with vaccines, they also poison seeds too.

Most farmers are so fucking stupid, ignorant, no empathy towards nature and life forms. It makes me sick sometimes but macroscopic mind control made them to be such way over thousands years. Nowadays we are at the pinnacle of death worship, slavery civilization. I began to understand the sorry feeling and the question of "why" while I was looking for farmers nature destroying behavior. Korean farmers love to destroy trees, kill animals, do whatever the government tell them to do spreading pesticides, toxic chemicals, artificial fertilizers.

When I lived in Canada, I got surprised at how all the house owners spend money and energy to take care of the lawns, which is artificial, wasteful weeds. They have to do it because let the house property be covered with weeds or other natural plants, the government will punish them. So pathetic, distorted sign of present nature destroying culture.

Well this stupid lifestyle nowadays become world standard. Upper class Asian people push it to next level. Rich Koreans usually build artificial garden on their expensive houses putting huge rocks, big trees, and some nice looking flowers and green lawns .

The permaculture masters wholeheartedly say "Respect nature and work with it. We are still so primitive stage compared to billions years old biosphere." A handful of natural soil contains millions of microbes. It has proven system of life perpetuating mechanism built-in. Can humans build a helpful virus yet? I doubt it.

Permaculture farmers are lazy and relax, work with nature. They are a designer of an eco-system for food/animal production. Instead spending money and demanding labor, and exploit nature, they create environment that produce various food in natural way.

No pesticides
No digging the soil
No chemical fertilizer
No usage of heavy machinery
No planting of single or few corps/vegetables.
Masanobu Fukuoka claimed doing natural farming liberate farmers from heavy labor once and for all. Farmers will enjoy life and appreciate the nature which provides stuff more than enough. He suggest once a natural farm established, and begin to produce food as is farmers only need to work less than average two hours per day - 10 to 15 hours per week. Isn't it wonderful way of living like wild animals? I'm convinced it already and I've been working on it two months ago. Whenever weather is fine, I go to my home in countryside, fixing the house building and property.

Anyway I would recommend spending some times to watch Permaculture videos on Youtube. Bill Mollison and Masanobu Fukuoka's are considered as legend in permaculture.
http://butterflyofdream.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/fukuoka20visits20united20states_35.jpg?w=300&h=203

I often ask "Why now Free Energy technologies and permaculture reveals themselves in public domain? Why these never had been spotted?" I thought once I have a FE power generator, I'll be invincible. But it turned out I was wrong in farming. Working against nature will bring disaster.



Permaculture: A Designers? Manual, Bill Mollison

Gaia?s Garden: A Guide to Home-Scale Permaculture by Toby Hemenway

The Self-Sufficient Life and How to Live It by John Seymour

The One-Straw Revolution: An Introduction to Natural Farming
by Masanobu Fukuoka


There are already enough materials and organizations for English people. So you can find or meet real permaculture farmers in North America or other English using countries. Some places offer training courses. City dwellers have limited choices in this aspect. So many stupid laws and regulations.

My goal for this year to plant as many vegetable plants, edible weeds, fruit trees on my property around the house. I wanna pack at least hundred species into the food garden including weeds. I destroyed a section of concrete fences and planted a medium size tree near the entrance of front yard. I don't want to waste any space for the car parking lot. Instead using electric water pump, I use manual pump. Composite toilet, a small pond for water reservoir, and good house insulation using organic materials that I find locally are on my list. I do it all by myself.

Provided there are plenty of raw materials for house building, less than $1,000 investment of money for tools make one build or fix a house. A good power tools: a drill, a saw, a grinder would cost about $400 to $500. Then you buy manual tools and measuring devices. Don't go for anything that uses batteries or electricity. Wear the Safety glasses all time. I mean it. A pair of mechanic gloves is handy.
I work on electrical stuff too. Hot wire is very dangerous: 220V, 30A. If you are uncomfortable electrical stuff, hire a electrician or get a help from a capable person.

Permaculture for food.
DIY skills for house and property/machine maintenance.
Independent clean, reliable energy can be achieved by hybrid grid integration for now: emergency backup system by wind/solar/hydro power or human powered generator with the grid system. Having a HHO generator is handy too.
I believe in the FE power generator will come out one day. Then, it's end of the story. ^^

[knapsack]

once the reings are taken off free energy .. there are real interesting methods for water desalination ..that come with nano tech..one method i have heard that is a few years away..is flowing the water throung in real time..releacing magnitized nanites that latch onto the salt.. then pulling the magitized salt out of the water with electro magnets ..with most of the earthgs population living close too the shore .. this will provide plenty of water..and you can build hydrponic buildings near population centers ..and grow food year round ..with clean fresh water.. no air polution.. and no herbacides ..

also you if you need fossil fuel ..natural gas plants to pick up any holes in the remewable generation rate.. you pump the co2 into the green houses because it it food for plants .

so really healthy food,freash water , cheap energy ..very close tech wise 5-10 years with it being built in developing countries faster than developed countries.

But then, what would we do with all the salt?

[BeYonder]

after my holiday, i will tell you a little bit about everything we farm, fish, grow and hunt here
- and, we do most of it, the old ways

[Janos]

But then, what would we do with all the salt?

Uhh... use it as SALT, perhaps... :P

If it's no longer fit for consumption, then use it for industry. Problem solved.

[knapsack]

Uhh... use it as SALT, perhaps... :P

If it's no longer fit for consumption, then use it for industry. Problem solved.

I guess what I'm getting at, how much salt are we talking here? I know we can put some of it to use, but how much surplus are we left with? I thought about maybe dumping it back into the ocean, but that would have some kind of effect on the ocean's ability to keep the salinity balanced. And we're already eating too much salt in the food we have now.

[Janos]

Salt is not a problem in our diets. Real salt can't hurt you. The amount you'd have to eat would be enormous, and your body would tell you to stop first, as things would start tasting 'too salty'. When using real salt, something will taste either not salty enough, just right, or too salty. And that tells you how much salt you need. How 'salty' it tastes has zero do do with the amount of salt in your food, but how much salt your body needs at the current time. Hence all the old recipe recommendations to salt 'to taste'. Everyone is going to need a different level of salt in their food, and the same individual that liked their food 'really salty' last week, may not like it very salty at all this week. Though once you start using real salt, you'll notice a spike in perceived usage for about a month while your body adjusts to actually having minerals again. Then it will taper off and lessen quite a bit. Real natural salt, such as traditionally harvested sea salt, or ancient sea salt has all kinds of minerals and trace elements that are absolutely essential for us, and missing in our normal diets. That processed iodine added white shit we buy at the store is NOT salt. It's a maximum bastardization of a natural item that's labeled as salt. And we're dumb enough to eat it. :P

Here's a neat question. where did all that salt in the ocean come from in the first place, and why aren't rivers and lakes salty? (The Dead Sea, and The Great Salt Lake not included of course.)

[Odah]

what we do with the salt is not going to be an issue.. well it will really depend on if magnitizesed sea salt with nana particles is safe to consume ..but we will be consuming nano particles in almost everything anyway in a decade or so..

as janos said a lot of the food we eat now has basterdized version of the real mineral..because real stuff gets broken down in processing because the fake stuff give products more shelf life ..

honest;y hydro farming when you are useing sun lamps is much different than building structure that give the plants plenty of real sun fresh water and co2 ..and have a proper mineral balance in the water the plants are grown in ..

in any case we will use several methods to provide people with fresh healthy food ..gardens ,organic farms , hydrow greenhouse buildings or non hydro green houses ..turning away from eating lots of beef in the Us ..

I worked in food processing and it funny when your adding ingredients to a mix and the instructions are don't get it on your skin or breath the dust in ..

the quality of food is more a result of people wanting to gorge themselves on enough food a day that can feed many people in the world for close to a week ..and the fact so much food gets lost during the processing or thrown out after it expires..and that much food is designed for shelflife not freashness and health.

the rise of spiritual selfishness ..where people do what they need to feel better .. they will demand higher quality food that makes them feel better and healthier after they eat it .