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Northern Boy
6th May 2011, 15:31
http://website.informer.com/visit?domain=wikia.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscientology.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FRo ns_Org&title=Rons+Org+-+Scienowiki&keyword=bill+ryan+scientology


Ron’s Org, as we know it today, had its inception on 12 October, 1984, when Bill Robertson, known among his friends as Captain Bill or CBR (Captain Bill Robertson), held a meeting near Frankfurt, Germany, to announce the existence of a new Free Zone delivery unit that promised to deliver Standard Tech. A transcript of CBR’s presentation is found in Tech Briefing 1. The name “Ron’s Org" was announced in a follow-up meeting two weeks later (Tech Briefing 2), an acronym for “Ron’s Organisation and Network for Standard Tech”.

Tech 1 link http://www.fz-field-auditor.co.uk/scienowiki/CBR_Tech_Briefing1.pdf


Tech 2 link http://www.fz-field-auditor.co.uk/scienowiki/CBR_Tech_Briefing2.pdf

Having completed Excalibur and having obtained a major, stable EP, CBR found that the Bridge thereafter flowed relatively easily. Using standard C/Sing technology, the remaining levels were researched and developed in fairly quick progression. By the time of Admin Briefing 1 (25 January 1987), CBR had reached OT 16 and developed the Games Master Course, a major level – not “just” a course. Eight months later, in Admin Briefing 2 (29 August 1987), CBR announced the development of further levels (the Games Series Course, the Games Basics Course, and four Source Operations Levels), the latter going right to the heart of what it is to be operating as a self-determined Source. A little later again, he developed VAST (“Viable Application for Source Training”) and VAST Plus, and that completed the Bridge. (More about the OT levels in the Ron's Orgs and in the Church of Scientology can be found in the article about OT levels).


Meanwhile, the Ron’s Orgs expanded and flourished, and soon after completing a videotaped series of lectures and seminars in 1990 – Your Dynamics in the Nineties, Improving Conditions in Life, Logic in Life (about the Data Series), Body Org Basics, and Exchange and Finance – CBR died in May 1991. The Ron’s Orgs themselves were largely unaffected, as they were not hierarchically organised – each Ron’s Org being a self-sufficient organisation in itself which stayed in close communication with the other Ron’s Orgs: a true network that was the forerunner of much business corporate structure in subsequent years.

After various periods of shake-down and reorganisation, the Ron’s Orgs continued to prosper and the most recent rapid expansion has occurred in Russia. The Ron’s Orgs now operate under the auspices of the Ron’s Org Committee, chaired by Max Hauri, Switzerland. Max and his wife Erica – Snr C/S – were invited to Russia in the late 1990s to deliver a few basic courses and some lower Bridge standard auditing. At the time of writing this article – January 2006 – there are some 2,000 people on Ron’s Org lines in Russia and there are over a dozen Ron’s Orgs in Moscow alone. The area continues to thrive and expand rapidly and the stats are high, with numerous OT 16 completions (one of the major levels of the Bridge) and fully trained C/Ses.


As per the landmark bulletin Keeping Scientology Working, the Ron’s Orgs set a very high importance on training and the definition of a Ron’s Org includes the criterion that it must have a courseroom; an auditor or C/S delivering standard tech, no matter towhat level, is known as a Ron’s Org Field Auditor if no courseroom facilities are present.


Every Ron’s Org courseroom employs only original LRH materials; nothing is altered or rewritten. Ron’s Org courserooms deliver every essential course such as the HQS, Hard TRs, Student Hat, Method 1, Dianetics, Objectives, Grades, LXs, HRD, SHSBC, and all reviews such as the PTS RD, SP RD, Int RD, Confessionals, False Purpose RD and many others.

For everyone in the Ron’s Orgs, the Source of the Tech is LRH, not CBR. CBR would always point out that he did not consider himself to be source of anything, and was simply applying LRH basics standardly and logically to the next levels beyond those developed in the Church of Scientology at the time LRH was still alive. CBR would acknowledge LRH at the end of every lecture, seminar or briefing that he gave, and considered himself merely as having duplicated what LRH wanted and was simply continuing to carry the torch forward.


As such, one handles incomplete cycles and unfinished games which are further and further up the “dwindling spiral”, towards the Beginning – a realm in which the importance and exactness of the Factors and Axioms becomes clear. Inasmuch as the dwindling spiral – the gradually accumulating tangle of incomplete cycles of action – produces great complexity, as one reaches back towards the very earliest games one finds oneself encountering areas of great simplicity which nonetheless can be very highly charged. The Ron’s Org Bridge addresses and handles these charges, and restores one’s quality of beingness to those enjoyed and manifested at the earliest stages of existence.

For further information on anything mentioned in this article, or to learn how to contact a Ron’s Org in your area, please contact

So thus far we have found out a few things that both Rons Org and P/A use that can link them Bill Ryan is still a believer in LRH despite the Crowley Connection. We see Switzerland come up. A connection here is the chair of Rons Org is from that area and donations payable to P/A are to be sent to the same country. Bill has made no attempt to hide the fact he was living there .;


from P/A`s website http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/donation.html

2) Bank transfer

Name: William Ryan [Project Avalon account]
Bank: Credit Suisse
Bank address: Paradeplatz 8, CH-8070 Zurich
Account number: 1796062-70-1
IBAN: CH78 0483 5179 6062 70001
Swiftcode: CRESCHZZ80A
Bank Clearing number: 4835


The other thing i noticed here was the connection to the Fable of King Arthur . As we all should know there was no King Arthur other then the one from Ireland. There was no round table or Merlin, Camelot or Excaliber. It was a fable created yet both P/A use it as does Ron`s Org .Now that fact that it is a fable and not true it should give you a good idea about Bill ryan`s reaction to being told he was a descendent from King Arthur by Charles . He was awestruck took it all in when the reality of the truth is if it were fact then Bill Ryan would not exist except to be an ear mark in a book some where

So i question a few things here is that forum receiving funding from Ron`s Org as it relies on donations to exist . Is it someway linked to that church so that donations to it are tax exempt. Here it is plainly evident that members are supporting the forum and the running total indicates it . Over there its all done behind the scenes no one gets to see the financial end of things.

then there is this http://webdetail.org/tag/rons_org


Page 1: List of Rons org Related Websites

These are the rons org related sites sorted by popularity:

Domain Name World Rank
Welcome to Project Camelot Portal - Projectcamelotportal Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, Kerry Lynn Cassidy, Kerry Lyn Cassidy, support@projectcamelot.org, Camelot, Camelot Project, Project Camelot, whistleblower, whistleblowers, whistle blower, whistle blowers, research, researchers, UFO, Free Energy, Energy, Alternative Medicine, Cancer, John Badwey, Badwey, Paul Bennewitz, Bennewitz, Benniwitz, Bennowitz, Eugene Blass, Blass, Ron Bonds, Bonds, Mae Brussell, Brussell, Danny Casolaro, Casolaro, Octopus, J. Clayton, J Clayton, Cooperson, Ruth Drown, Drown, Frank Edwards, Edwards, Don Elkin, Elkin, Harry Hoxsey,Hoxsey, M. K. Jessup, M K Jessup, Jessup, Montauk, Eugene Mallove, Mallove, Millbank Johnson, Johnson, Ron Johnson, Todd Kauppila, Kauppila, Kaupilla, Kaupila, Kauppilla, Jim Keith, Keith, David Kelly, Kelly, John F. Kennedy, Dorothy Kilgallen, William Koch, George Lahovsky, Ann Livingston, Brian Lynch, John Mack, Kennedy, James McDonald, James MacDonald, Macdonald, McDonald, Wilhelm Reich, Reich, orgone, Royal Rife, Rife, Ron Rummel, Rumm
http://projectcamelotportal.com, IP: 74.55.161.130, Hosting: THEPLANET.COM INTERNET SERVICES, City: Houston

#49,702
Free Zone Survivors Association - Freezone Survivors is an association of people who have experienced the anguish and frustrations of the Free Zone or Ron s Org and wish to tell their story. Read specific case studies. Contact those who have been part of Free Zone or Ron s Org. Find links to other sites about Free Zone and Ron s Org. Get the truth about the Free Zone. freezone, freezone scientology, freezone association, international freezone, international freezone association, fzusa, freezone usa, freezone worldwide, free zone, free zone association, the free zone association, free zone scientology, freie zone, freie zone e.v., ron's org, rons org, galactic patrol, sector 9, icause, aac, alt clearing technology, ex-scientologist, scientologist, scientology, nots, squirrel, bill robertson, capt. bill robertson, david mayo
http://freezonesurvivors.to, IP: 173.201.216.6, Hosting: GoDaddy.com, City: Scottsdale



So keep on the look out as we do more digging to uncover more we will post it here I would like to thank Magamud for the link to the LRH and Crowley article . I believe he posted it in the general discussion area

Swami
6th May 2011, 16:18
Damn NB, you are the kind of researcher I truly like...!!
Do you, maybe, have any Crowley - Hubbert connections?
I saw that post of yours and it made me really wonder about those books Hubbert wrote during his life...

Thx for your persistance, its greatly appreciated!

Mogs
6th May 2011, 17:16
I'm sure I have some info around somewhere swami, will did it out when I have a mo :)

Swami
6th May 2011, 17:26
I'm sure I have some info around somewhere swami, will did it out when I have a mo :)

Why dont 'we' research that...?
We could use some help off course..!

I find that extremely interesting...
How, when, where, did "they" connect to the 'invisible' realms...

Its Alchamy that brought forth much of the technology we have and see today....

The story could be a bit different than what is told via the Roswell story....
(Just a hunch, dont kill me over it....:fie:)

Scott
6th May 2011, 19:29
Damn NB, you are the kind of researcher I truly like...!!
Do you, maybe, have any Crowley - Hubbert connections?
I saw that post of yours and it made me really wonder about those books Hubbert wrote during his life...

Thx for your persistance, its greatly appreciated!

Here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMm8ucQwkc
L Ron Hubbard mentions Crowley "My very good friend." @ 6.20

Scott

Luke
6th May 2011, 20:43
Crowley - Hubbard connection : (add good ole Jack Parsons to the mix)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon_Working

This was after or during R. Hubbard's tenure in Naval Intelligence. (versions vary)

Consigliere
6th May 2011, 21:09
I've spoken with several auditors and individuals who have been involved with the Church of Scientology in the past, and I can say, with high confidence, that any organized unit under the umbrella of the Church is bad news. That does not mean that all individuals caught in the Church's web are malicious, far from it, but the structure itself seems to be organized in the fashion of a money-gathering, cult-like, enterprise.

Some of the principles contained in Hubbard's original writings are worthy of consideration, but again, the light seems to be distant and faint at this point in time. If one is able to read through an early copy of Hubbard's book, "Dianetics," or speak with an independent auditor, such moves can be conducive to achieving a higher state of consciousness.

magamud
6th May 2011, 23:26
Jack Parsons worked for Hercules http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_Inc. a spun off from Dupont and with heavy duty contracts with the first ICBM missles. Parsons was a genius in coincidentally ALCHEMY. Hercules is now ASHLAND which deals in WATER TREATMENT PLANTtS. Jack eventually got to the infamous JPL where his main bosses at CALTECH/JPL was Frank Malina who eventually worked for UNESCO under the ASSWIPE Julian Huxley of UNESCO/Leauge of Nations/United Nations etc.... Malina became head of UNESCO scientific research, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Malina Parsons also worked for Theodore von K?rm?n who won the first National Medal of Science presented by John F Kennedy. The Medal states The National Medal of Science depicts Man, surrounded by earth, sea, and sky, contemplating and struggling to understand Nature. The crystal in his hand represents the universal order and also suggests the basic unit of living things. The formula being outlined in the sand symbolizes scientific abstraction. But here is the jewel with Theodore, his ancestor is Judah Loew ben Bezalel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_Loew_ben_Bezalel who was a jewish mystic rabbi and is particularly known for the legend that he created The Golem of Prague, an animate being fashioned from clay, using mystical powers based on the esoteric knowledge of how God created Adam. Golem of Prague http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golem_of_Prague
In modern Hebrew the word golem means "dumb" or "helpless"

It was in 1942, the same year Parsons was appointed as head of the Agap? Lodge by Aleister Crowley (who himself had studied chemistry), that Parsons made the crucial breakthrough in the development of rocket solid fuel. Following intuition, Parsons switched from black powder to asphalt and potassium perchlorate.[5] Compared with Peenem?nde, America was finally in the race for rocket propulsion with solid fuel for the space age.

Sara Northrup (aka "Sarah Elizabeth" or "Betty" Northrup), began living with Parsons and Parsons' wife, Sara's half-sister Helen Northrup; later, Parsons and Sara became involved in an affair, which caused strife with Helen and eventually led to Helen leaving with Wilfred Smith. Sara Northrup went on to marry author L. Ron Hubbard, who served as the occasional magical partner of Parsons, and who would later found the Church of Scientology.

This is where the three stooges Parsons, Hubbard and Crowley started the Babylon workings:

The rest shall we say is history......

A stage play about Parsons by George Morgan, Pasadena Babalon, premiered at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena in 2010.[21] It was directed by film and TV actor Brian Brophy.

Phillip K Dick wrote a comic around Jack called Dr. Futurity
Dr. Jim Parsons is a doctor from 2012, born in 1980. Abruptly, he undergoes involuntary time travel to 2405 CE, and finds that his profession is treated with disdain. In the future, the population is static, with no natural births; only a death can cause the formation of a new embryo. The result is a society ambivalent toward death, as controlled genetics ensures that each successive generation better benefits the human race as a whole. By killing off the weak, poverty and disease are eliminated, and humanity has an optimal chance for survival. Moreover, a single race derived from African Americans and Native Americans controls this future world, as caucasians have been wiped out or integrated centuries earlier.

http://www.phys.virginia.edu/History/Beams/national_medal.gif

A Golem Indeed...

?uestions
6th May 2011, 23:27
Damn NB, you are the kind of researcher I truly like...!!
Do you, maybe, have any Crowley - Hubbert connections?
I saw that post of yours and it made me really wonder about those books Hubbert wrote during his life...

Thx for your persistance, its greatly appreciated!

I concur. You dig deep and find interesting information! I too would like to add my thanks to your talent.

Best Regards

Mogs
6th May 2011, 23:46
Lots of reading to be done :) thanks folks for a very interesting and illuminating thread, all these links......

These are taken from my notes, but I thought it might interest others (so excuse the time bits, can't edit that well on iPhone)
OTO (look it up) member Ron Hubbard
Links with Manson
Look up Anton laVey
Process church
Church of thelema in Pasadena run by jack parsons (ww2 rocker scientist) link with Wilfred smith (agape lodge 1930's)
In 1946 parsons attempted to bring the 'whore of babylon' down from the astral and incarnate it into the womb of a woman. OTO member Ron Hubbard took notes as parsons had ritual sex with an Oto woman, Crowley wasn't impressed that was when Ron h ran off with parsons $10000 and started cos
10:51
Look up church of Satan (la vey, the satanic bible)
10:53
All are linked and entwined, Scientology being a part of it
10:55
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/crowley-hubbard-666.htm
10:57
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien467.html
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/oto.htm
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/crowleyhubbard.html
Brainwashing is nothing compared to it. The proper term would be "soul cracking." "It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers. Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway. Pulling that power into yourself through another person^?and using women, especially is incredibly insidious.

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/satanic1.htm ^^^^

Ok that enough for now :) happy reading

Mogs
8th May 2011, 14:20
More here http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?2092-Just-a-few-quotes-from-the-illustrious-L-Ron-Hubbard&p=14866&viewfull=1#post14866
http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?337-Panorama-The-Secrets-of-Scientology&highlight=scientology

Aquarian
8th May 2011, 15:47
A Meeting in an East Grinstead Coffee Shop

Today I attended a mini FZ conference in EG. It was initiated by our own Clive Nicol, and Bill Ryan. Bill is on the Ron's Org Gamesmaster course which is their OT 17, and has never been in COS! Was a real pleasure to meet them. :)
There were 9 of us. It was a wonderful connecting up of people who'd mostly never met or even e-mailed! We may have the beginnings of another FZ org....:)
Met an ex ED of Copenhagen, another OEC/FEBC, and one with a good tech background. She and her partner were telling us of the opening of RO Copenhagen, where Caspar de Rijk from RO Holland adressed 50 people.
Several had official COS certs as to SPness! Even better didn't meet, but have now contact with a reputably superb class 4 auditor. This is a first for London and the south east of England in recent times. Also found out that Clive is a qualified C/S!!!!
Finally one relatively new to scientology, is actually applying what she learnt on the COS personal integrity div 6 course. That she should hold to whats true for her.
Being told she shouldn't go on the internet didn't square with that. Looks like she's heading for her own personalised SP cert. Guess these will become standard freebies with that course! :)

Terril Park
November 2005

Resource: http://www.arovast.co.uk/gatwick05.htm



Originally Posted by ace
Hi Inelia
Thank you for the link you provided.
http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I have noticed both you and Bill have Broke bread with the same mutual friend.
Terril Park.
Link to the forum is now inaccessible http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/






Terril Park
Posted on February 16, 2011 by admin

Terril Park is a particular type of Freezoner, he is not directly involved in squirreling the tech but he thinks he has made a name for himself as ?Freezone PR?. In other words he is marketing Freezone snake oil and trying to sell it as ?pure tech?. Unfortunately it is apparent he never went to a PR or marketing class as otherwise he would have cleared the definition of ?wrong public?. A Freezone Survivor recently gave us some information which is shedding some light as to why Terril Park?s efforts are not unlike those of Don Quixote!! v v v v v v v



Terril Park


Terril Park, the so called ?Freezone PR?.
Terril Park is a self-proclaimed promoter of the ?tech outside the cos?. So far so good ? but where does Terril Park ?promote? this ?tech outside the cos?? You would think that a lover of the tech would be trying to reach new people that don?t know anything about Scientology and the tech. Not so with Terril Park. He had a ?better? idea. His ?promoter of tech? career started on a.r.s. For those of you who have never heard of it (most likely 99.99% of you) a.r.s. was a newsgroup used by enemies and attackers of Scientology to bash Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.
I know that those who are logic minded will immediately object to this saying that this doesn?t make any sense: how would a ?lover of the tech? promote Scientology and the tech in a forum which is dedicated 24/7 to attack and destroy the very tech he is trying to promote?
You?re right, it doesn?t make sense. But when it comes to Terril Park everything is possible. What is black becomes white and what to everyone else appears to be red to Terril Park is well ??? green.
So we are most likely concerned with a reality problem. You will find now and then that someone comes along and says ?this is a chair? while everyone else says ?this is a table?. It looks like that this may well be the case when it comes to Terril Park.
But how come Terril Park?s reality has become so much different than others?
A possible explanation just came in recently. A Freezone survivor sent us an e-mail giving some insight into Terril Park?s personal life.
This survivor said in so many words that Terril Park is an h-e-a-v-y d-r-i-n-k-e-r.
Well, that at least explains his disassociation from reality!

Resource: http://freezonesurvivors.to/2011/02/16/terril-park/

lightblue
8th May 2011, 16:03
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scummy...

it's that old devil called power again.. . l




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fabio
9th May 2011, 01:10
Here is some digging I've done into the freezone movement and it origins and instigator's.

Additional note on the Crowley connection



THE O.T.O. AND THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY [The following is quoted from "Scarlet and the Beast," Vol. 1, pp. 433-434.] After Crowley's death, Freemason L. Ron Hubbard acquired the O.T.O. leadership in America. Robert Anton Wilson, co-author with Timothy Leary of "Neuropolitics" in 1977, explains that "Hubbard's system is derived largely from Aleister Crowley.... Hubbard was a member of Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis in the 1942; and Hubbard later...invented a system which seems, to those of us who know both, very similar to the system taught by Crowley in the O.T.O.

Hubbard was initiated into the O.T.O. in 1944 by Aleister Crowley himself. After Crowley's death, the O.T.O. was headquartered for a time in Hubbard's Church of Scientology. In 1992 "The Auditor," the journal of Scientology, reports that there are 146 Scientology centers worldwide, with 54 of them in the United States and Canada alone.

Hubbard and the Occult Part 1 of 4

By Jon Atack

http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/huboccult1.html

Bill Robertson. Who is He Really? The founder of Ron's Org


Bill Robertson left the Church of Scientology in 1982.

Thereafter, Robertson took on a new name, ?Astar Paramejgian?, and announced to the world that he was one of three beings who would be controlling the lives of trillions of inhabitants of ?Sector 9″, which he defined as a collection of thousands of stars and planets in this sector of the galaxy. ?Astar,? immediately began demanding unconditional compliance from ?Sector 9.?

He wrote a book entitled ?Sector 9? in which he lists out 147 organizations which would have been infiltrated and taken over by the ?Markabians?, an alien race. These organizations include the Republican Party, the Liberal Party, the American Medical Association, the New York Times, BBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, The United Nations, World Health Organization, the CIA, the FBI, all British Intelligence organizations, Interpol, IBM, Los Angeles Times, Council of Europe, and many, many others.

He also invented a ?tech? including 48 so-called ?OT levels? made up by him and a new ?E-Meter? and claimed that LRH was actually cross-checking his ?technology? telepathically four years before LRH passed away.

Where does this all lead?

LRH covered in detail the mechanisms of psychosis in several issues but perhaps the most germane data as relates to Robertson is contained in HCO B 27 September 1966 Reissued 19 Sept 1987 THE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST where he says: ?When such a personality goes insane, the world is full of Martians or the FBI and each person met is really a Martian or FBI agent.?

Indeed, John Caban, Robertson?s right hand man in 1982 and the man he dedicated his book to, testified, under oath, in a Spain Court on May 29, 2001, when asked about his relationship with Bill Robertson, that he came to realize later that Robertson had serious mental problems. Robertson eventually died of cancer in 1991.

http://freezonesurvivors.to/whos-who/bill-robertson/who-is-he-really/


Bill Robertson?s Tech
From: Ralph Hilton (aon.912202928@aon.at)
Subject: FZ International
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Date: 2001‑06‑19 19:13:16 PST

I've been stuck a bit with WBR's stuff for 15 years. I ran his "OT levels"
up through 16 and later went through his more "advanced materials"

I got quite ill around his OT12/13 and thought he'd missed something.

I tried handling it within his cosmology but it didn't work.

His cosmology just gets wilder and wilder.

The space opera type "OT" handlings of Markabian telepathic invasions is not
a workable approach to OT.

The "Ron's orgs" tend to skirt the lower bridge and get people up to "OT"
fast so that they can help handle the telepathic invasion of the Marcabians.

It just gets more and more detached from reality.

In the last few years I held onto parts of WBR's ideas and tried to use
them.

It just did not work.

Tonight I hit a sort of resolution. <snip>

I scanned fast through his material and realized that he was in a full
dramatization.

<snip>

I'm in the middle of FDSing his BS.

His "Excalibur" and "Phoenix" levels are a pile of delusory bull❤❤❤❤.

I have not seen anyone who has run Bill Robertson's "upper bridge" who could
actually change things. They are living in a delusion.

I have therefore decided that while I might have previously recommended that
people study WBR material that I have to totally reverse my opinion.

I'm not going to play with new rundowns. I'm not going to publish any more
"new tech".

I realized today that the tech is there. Maybe a bit belatedly.

The existing tech just needs to be studied and applied.

<snip>

http://freezonesurvivors.to/whos-who/bill-robertson/bill-robertsons-tech/


What did his ex wives think of him?

Bill had a preference for dressing up in women's clothing and at least two of Bill's wives complained of his peculiar taste of wanting to play "lesbian" games as he used to dress up in ladies clothes and a wig and perform sexually perverted activities in front of a mirror. While those may be very odd, but maybe not damaging... he also stole another man's wife. Not the way an "ethical OT" should be acting.

http://www.scientologymyths.info/squirrels/who-was-captain-bill-robertson-and-the-galactic-patrol.php



At least Bill Ryan has a shining to him

Article written by Bill Ryan:

While there is no doubt that ? like LRH ? CBR was an extraordinary and exceptionally powerful man, those on the Ron?s Org Bridge are in full agreement with his own modest view and maintain that the power of the ?Upper Levels? of Excalibur and above lies in their simplicity and in the ingenious application of LRH basics. Indeed, one way to regard the Bridge is that as one progresses, one is empowered to extend one?s confront further and further back in time, and even beyond ?time? to realms in which ?earlier? games were played.

http://scientology.wikia.com/wiki/Rons_Org

We also have the Free Zone working with German OPC Intelligence Operations

http://andygreen44.tripod.com/


Well one has to ask what the Freezoners' Motives are?

What is the motive of the ?freezoners? in attacking the Church?

They are in it for the money, since they hope they can persuade Scientologists in good standing with the Church to leave and join them instead. Mr. Hubbard described them here:

?People such as our best known ?squirrels? are perfectly willing to snatch our hard-won materials and misuse them, but they are not willing to support the effort which brought these materials into being. In other words, their existence is parasitic. Completely aside from the perversion of materials, this is what we have against them. Fortunately they number one in thousands; their lies, stupidities, vilifications are all a statement that they are unwilling to pay for what they use. They are cheap. The rest of us paid our way and we have won.?1

Without exception, every one of these people had ethical problems while in Scientology, often years before they left. They were either stealing money, committing gross violations of standard procedures, or performing other acts that violate the standards expected of a Scientologist.

Step in Bill Roberston

Bill Robertson was a psychotic who in 1982 claimed that he was not just Bill Robertson but someone named Astar Paramejgian, one of three beings who were in reality controlling the lives of trillions of inhabitants of "Sector 9", a collection of thousands of stars and planets in this sector of the galaxy.

Robertson started spreading around his ?Galactic Patrol? newsletters which he claimed were all "transmitted telepathically by LRH" to him. Robertson asserted that Mr. Hubbard had passed away, so it was "safe" for him to make such allegations. However, Mr. Hubbard was alive and well in 1982.

Before finally leaving for Europe, Robertson managed to rip off $50,000 from a Scientologist who believed his story about being on some project to recover "lost treasures." The $50,000 disappeared and was never seen again.



http://www.scnpl.org/controversy/freezone/freezoners-motives.php

http://www.scnpl.org/controversy/freezone/instigators-of-the-freezone.php

Northern Boy
9th May 2011, 04:32
Thanks Fabio i had planned on doing some more digging on this topic but was at work most of the weekend . Wow it seems a few here have acquired shovels and are digging and sifting thru material keep it up

M@e 311
9th May 2011, 06:17
Sending out my thanks to all contributors to this post. I wish I had more time to spend researching such things. Your all doing fantastic work.

Stay Positive
M@

Swami
9th May 2011, 07:50
Thereafter, Robertson took on a new name, “Astar Paramejgian”, and announced to the world that he was one of three beings who would be controlling the lives of trillions of inhabitants of “Sector 9″, which he defined as a collection of thousands of stars and planets in this sector of the galaxy. “Astar,” immediately began demanding unconditional compliance from “Sector 9.”

Anybody ever heard of the Ashtar Command (http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/)?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aODRHQ-c4z4&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xG2JNIs0Zo

What do you think? Connections?

Thank Fabio, great digging!

Mogs
9th May 2011, 09:59
just adding this, my word sounds like a war speech from some crazy leader :blink:


Capt. Bill Robertson (CBR), speaking at The Crown Hotel, in East Grinstead, 1983


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4517051303808700897#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4517051303808700897#
http://www.rons-org-bristol.co.uk/

wow fabio good digging

Bill Robertson was a psychotic who in 1982 claimed that he was not just Bill Robertson but someone named Astar Paramejgian

boy yo boy this is getting interesting, cheers swami for the ashta vids.........all sounds a little familier huh?

let see.......
scientology xenu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
serpo zeta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_objects_proposed_in_religion,_astrology_ and_ufology
astar http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob10.htm
ashta....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtar_%28extraterrestrial_being%29
(Astar, and Ashtar is the god of the morning star in western Semitic mythology)

ZookieMonster
9th May 2011, 10:24
Anybody ever heard of the Ashtar Command (http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/)?
[...]
What do you think? Connections?
Thank Fabio, great digging!

This is so pathetic.

Don't know whether to cry individually for these two ladies ... or to make them honorary citizens of Argentina and then cry for the whole country collectively (Acappella, if I can't convince the local philharmonic to join in)?

:typing:

ps: (Sarah Brightman version)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEMDps8G6Co&feature=related

Aquarian
10th May 2011, 02:04
I've found this on a forum, just not sure if it is any help or use to anyone.

I thought I would share it just in case it is.

Collection of Scientology admin tech electronic index and materials
The never-before-leaked CD-ROM electronic index and
complete collection of Scientology admin tech materials
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/collection-of-scientology-admin-tech-electronic-index-and-materials.52188/



List of leaked TAPE/R2R sets (w/ download links)
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/list-of-leaked-tape-r2r-sets-w-download-links.40937/

Northern Boy
10th May 2011, 08:11
well judging by the comments on that forum its worth a look at

Dennis
10th May 2011, 16:19
When I first became a Christian, I very quickly became aware of the division between sects of the church.

It seemed that every denomination was so busy pointing out the flaws in another. The true message got muddled because of the intense focus on our differences.

Am I wrong to draw the same conclusions here?

Is this a forum for growing our collective consciousness, or is this an abused by PA support group?

This seems like a destructive path.

Let's focus on the future.

ZookieMonster
10th May 2011, 17:22
When I first became a Christian, I very quickly became aware of the division between sects of the church.
It seemed that every denomination was so busy pointing out the flaws in another. The true message got muddled because of the intense focus on our differences.


If I may respectfully disagree, Dennis ... Nexus is not a denomination. It is a nomination, like Avalon used to be before its leader decided to make it a denomination (and a large portion of the membership willingly chose to become denominees). There are still nominees to be found on Avalon .. and kudos to them for respecting the original nominating charter of Avalon.



Am I wrong to draw the same conclusions here?
Is this a forum for growing our collective consciousness, or is this an abused by PA support group?
This seems like a destructive path.
Let's focus on the future.

Why can't it be both, friend? The holistic approach is inclusive. The future is about healing, being, and revealing. Discovery is the food that enriches the brain; the engine that moves the train. Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

Dennis
10th May 2011, 20:56
I agree that we cannot move beyond a veil that we are ignorant of, and in that regard discovery is as you describe it.

I may have misread the intentions of this thread, but it seems more a jab, granted well researched, than an enlightened search for truth.

My point is that as we approach this awakening, and consciousness collectively reaches critical mass, all truth will become obvious.

What do you think is the most healthy way to spend the moments from then till now?

Respectfully

Dennis

goldenyears
10th May 2011, 21:26
My point is that as we approach this awakening, and consciousness collectively reaches critical mass, all truth will become obvious.


How do you know that is actually going to happen, and when? So does that mean we should stop trying to understand and search for the truth and just wait around till something happens? Hell, Ive been waiting 30yrs....Im going to keep on searching till something better comes down the pike.



What do you think is the most healthy way to spend the moments from then till now?



Well, Im sure each of us has a different idea as to what is most healthy for them......personally for me, I like coming here to read interesting topics, talk with interesting people, and that makes me happy. So...you got any better ideas for us?

lightblue
10th May 2011, 21:39
dennis
Is this a forum for growing our collective consciousness, or is this an abused by PA support group?

"growing collective consciousness" - i sincerely hope not here...makes me think of some sort of bundeled up individual consciousnesses ... :wink:l


consciousness combo?
.

Mogs
10th May 2011, 22:00
dennis

"growing collective consciousness" - i sincerely hope not here...makes me think of some sort of bundeled up individual consciousnesses ... :wink:l

.

:rofl: lol i love that line lb

Northern Boy
10th May 2011, 22:19
Dennis does the future have to include the muddled past even if the lie continues to be uncovered ? Do we throw the lies out the window and trust the liar will lead us down the right path ? We need to know why the lie was begun in the first place . We need it uncovered so other don`t fall victim to it . And trust me there are many who refuse to believe it is a lie and instill blind trust and faith in the one doing the lying. If the truth hurts to much to read it then by all means pass your only human with all the fallacies befitting the position. One of those is to be lead with blinders on we have allowed Governments to do it and now we uncover another . My next post in the Ron`s Org thread will show more of the uncovering but that may be a day or 2 away we are still going over some things and finalizing things.


Who am i to question what you want to believe ? No one but I`ll post it for all to read it becomes then your decision to read it and research it your self . To come to your own conclusions about it or simply ignore it that is your free will . But My free will gives me the right to point it out. I am not a christian for that implies the meaning of following a religious doctrine . I need no book to direct me just as the natives never had one



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxsNuTOR_Mg&feature=fvwrel

lightblue
10th May 2011, 22:27
NB
We need to know why the lie was begun in the first place

and i'd like to add: to fully expose it for what it is before it is discarded as unwanted surplus.. :stop: l




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Dennis
11th May 2011, 01:59
Thank you for the well articulated responses.

I think we can agree that sometimes the veil gets lifted, and sometimes it requires some assistance.

I joined this forum because I realize that we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

That experience often involves miscommunication and hurt feelings, which often leads to errors in judgement (whether admitted or not by the error-ee). A persons past does not define them.

I came here to continue the valued and engaging communication with the many souls I resonated deeply with on PA.

I have a deep love for you all, and I apologize for coming off as insensitive. I just know that the world needs us to embrace love right now, not playing the victim, savior, or villain.

Sorry for derailing the topic, it was unintentional.

Northern Boy
12th May 2011, 17:44
The best place to hide is in the open

This comes from the About Us portal located on the Project Camelot webpage:


http://projectcamelotportal.com/about.html


Project Camelot is based on an idea generated when we first met and spent the weekend in Tintagel, England, overlooking the sea in the home of King Arthur. We named our project in tribute to the vision behind the utopian idea of the Round Table - and have structured all our efforts in this inspiring spirit.


WE keep seeing links to the Free Zone or Scientology faith popping in and out of Bill Ryan’s endeavors. It has been shown that he believes in the Free zone Scientology philosophy. It is still based on the L Ron Hubbards work who we have shown had a close personal relationship with Aliester Crowley other wise known as The Beast for his use of the dark arts.

WE now see that Kerry and Bill met in Tintagel England to come together and begin their working relationship. Supposedly the birthplace of King Arthur. Lets just examine this statement for a second:


Late Medieval period



A castle was built on the site by Richard, Earl of Cornwall in 1233, to establish a connection with the Arthurian legends that were associated by Geoffrey of Monmouth with the area[15] and because it was seen as the traditional place for Cornish kings. The castle was built in a more old-fashioned style for the time to make it appear more ancient. Richard hoped that in this way he could gain the Cornish people's trust, since they were suspicious of outsiders. The castle itself held no real strategic value

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintagel_Castle


So we can see deception at an obvious beginning in regards to this castle`s construction. It puzzles me as to why this location was picked in the first place the names of Avalon and Camelot are an obvious connection to the fable? I also wonder who it was that originally arranged the meeting ? Who purposed the plan ? Bill Ryan? Kerry or did they purpose it together? As we can see from this post here by Bill Ryan he seems to have trouble following his own advice when it comes to this fable and its truth.


Re: Enlightenment: Practical steps
---------

Very many thanks, Sepia - this is a really important post.

The key is to be able to differentiate between what is real and what is not.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17056-Enlightenment-Practical-steps&p=206654&viewfull=1#post206654

In the original opening paragraph I mentioned the fact that the work of L Ron Hubbard seems to be always be showing up around the things Bill Ryan does . When one is involved in this type of Cultic work you are taught to apply it to your everyday life

So lets look at the meeting place for just a second again to see if we can ascertain any connection here . Both use the fable of Arthur as was shown in this post on the Ron`s Org Threads

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?2152-The-Establishment-of-the-Ron%92s-Orgs

Post #1


The meeting place holds another clue other then the castle it boasts a Hotel , This in itself is not a fault but lets take a look at it anyways. It is dubbed the Camelot Castle Hotel, LOL fitting enough for a name in that area, move along folks nothing to see here. . But wait .............lets take a second look there is not much in this area other then the castle and the Hotel. From the portal page we see they spent a weekend in this area and when you read that opening paragraph who`s words do you imagine they are ? Does that sound like Kerry`s or Bill Ryan`s way of describing things? For myself it is Bill Ryan he likes to give little clues to make the reader or listen continue on . Kerry is the more direct one cut the crap and get to the meat and potatoes


So now lets have a look at that hotel I can imagine we can hardly wait to see it so lets pop on in and have a peek


And here we go

http://www.camelotcastle.com/accommodation-cornwall.htm


Certainly a warm charming location looks like it cost a few bob to stay there.

Lets see what else we can find out ……….. ah here it is under the about us section the owners names John and Irina Mappin and a Ted Stourton. Hmmm can`t seem to find any info on the hotel site about them funny most time you get the whole ball of wax but nothing here other then their names. Oh well I`m sure something will turn up

What`s this no this can`t be. Bill Ryan was Kerry aware of this connection ? Was she a willing participant to this? It would be interesting to say the least Just Googled the owners names to find out how they came into acquiring the Hotel and found this little bit

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/john-_-irina-mappin.html


And from there I found this little site :


http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/camelot-castle-hotel-tintagel-and-scientologists-john-irina-mappin-and-ted-stourton.61785/


Who is John Mappin? If you dig you`ll find some interesting stuff

Here is a little more On Johnny boy Seems he owns a jewellers oh here read it yourself . No sorry he sold it off you may have heard of the Chain. Hard to miss……… it was called Mappins.

Oh here is another little bit he was sued for deceiving his best friend into handing over 77500 pounds. Why is it this L Ron Hubbard followers always want their hands in someone else`s pockets ? Maybe Bill Ryan has the answers to that ? Also Free Zone founder Bill Robertson stole over 50,000 thousand dollars from Co$ when he split off. We continue to see dishonorable behavior committed by these leaders and followers of that faith Yet many seem to attach the words integrity and honor to them ? Whats in the KOOL-AID?

Here is the story on the lawsuit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1881524.stm

as well if you want some reading on this group I suggest carrying on reading here at some of the comments . Some eye opening stuff there as well

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/john-mappin-and-the-camelot-castle-hotel-tintagel-cornwall.47028/


Just going to add a few little videos to humor you along But before I do ask yourself why does this group always seem to show up in Bill Ryan`s life . He has made his living even before Avalon at manipulating people to achieve an outcome 27 yrs according to his bio. And it appears the Hotel is a known site site for recruitment and training of Scientology as sated here


http://www.mukaumedia.co.uk/camelot-castle-online-reputation-rabbit-hole/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMvAXpq7Xj4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWgUPHVEcl0&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmsOtoXwGS0&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIl0VYQjaNY&feature=related




If you Build it they will Come

One final note here off topic alittle....... some one noticed a number of members were not posting it may have been the Bashi screen shot thread . At first they were only viewable if you were a member some may have come over and joined to read them and decided not to post ........ Who cares really they may some day see what many here do



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X9UZhr5Lwc

ab12
12th May 2011, 18:10
Bill Ryan lied in his bio on Camelot.

Check http://thechallengeofexcellence.com/consultants.html

Northern Boy
12th May 2011, 18:18
Been looking for info on him as well it`s like trying to find stuff on Obomber

ab12
12th May 2011, 18:28
In his bio on camelot he said he worked for BAE, Hewlett Packard and Pricewaterhouse.

In his bio here http://thechallengeofexcellence.com/consultants.html there is no mention of it. He was trained as a school teacher and went mountain climbing.

William Cuff worked for Pricewaterhouse and Hewlett Packard not Bill.

Kieth Antoine worked for British Aerospace and Pricewaterhouse not Bill.

Northern Boy
12th May 2011, 18:36
Originally trained as an educator, Bill has a special and natural talent for creating a powerful and meaningful learning environment.

His empathy and intelligence enable him to appreciate and recognise a person's or group's special strengths and at the same time support and challenge them in the learning process. Bill has over twenty five years of experience in consulting, facilitating and counselling individuals, teams and groups in both the corporate, private and public sector from Executive (management teams) to entry level.

His areas of expertise are the development of high performing teams, leadership, coaching, conflict management, communications, interpersonal skills and organisational change. Bill is able to draw upon a vast range of management theories, which become instantly alive when he incorporates them in his use of experiential learning techniques. Bill has also been involved in and led mountaineering expeditions in North America, Africa and the Himalayas.



Bill has over twenty five years of experience in consulting, facilitating and counselling individuals, teams and groups in both the corporate, private and public sector from Executive (management teams) to entry level.

Although those firms are not listed they could be in fact firms he worked for during the 25 yrs from the above quote. Its really an open page but thanks for pointing it out. I`d love to get a hold of the personal files on him . Just to have a peek inside them .......... If any one has a few copies kicking around send them on to me LOL

ZookieMonster
12th May 2011, 18:42
Bill Ryan lied in his bio on Camelot.
Check http://thechallengeofexcellence.com/consultants.html

It would seem so. Those two promote the narrative of Project Camelot as being one of random occurrence ... but if those two are spontaneous elections of the moment magic on the hillsides of Tintagel ... then I'm a little teapot short and stout, heat me to whistle up the water spout!

:typing:

lightblue
12th May 2011, 19:43
http://thechallengeofexcellence.com/images/bill_lg.jpg

Bill Ryan, B.Sc. Cert. Ed.

Originally trained as an educator, Bill has a special and natural talent for creating a powerful and meaningful learning environment.

His empathy and intelligence enable him to appreciate and recognise a person's or group's special strengths and at the same time support and challenge them in the learning process. Bill has over twenty five years of experience in consulting, facilitating and counselling individuals, teams and groups in both the corporate, private and public sector from Executive (management teams) to entry level.

His areas of expertise are the development of high performing teams, leadership, coaching, conflict management, communications, interpersonal skills and organisational change. Bill is able to draw upon a vast range of management theories, which become instantly alive when he incorporates them in his use of experiential learning techniques. Bill has also been involved in and led mountaineering expeditions in North America, Africa and the Himalayas.


i wonder what went wrong so he lost the job... l

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DawgBone
12th May 2011, 19:55
His areas of expertise are the development of high performing teams, leadership, coaching, conflict management, communications, interpersonal skills and organisational change.


I find that truly ironic. These alleged skills helped him destroy PA2 with remarkable speed.

Mogs
12th May 2011, 20:07
Camelot Castle Hotel is a wonderful charming, dog friendly hotel in Tintagel, Cornwall.
Sitting proudly in Tintagel overlooking the Atlantic Ocean and Tintagel Castle, the legendary birthplace of King Arthur, the stunning 64 bedroom Camelot Castle Hotel offers rooms with magnificent panoramic views over the rugged Cornish coastline

wow reads straight off project avalon and project camalot page, exellent post nb, most illuminating.


Ted, Irina and I and our loyal team at Camelot Castle have always been and are 100% supportive of what the Church of Scientology and its leader has been doing since that time


More serious, however, are allegations made by past employees about their treatment by the scientologists - from appalling living conditions to the forced indoctrination of the Polish workers into the cult and even the 'disappearance' of those who question the cult ethos.
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/camelot-castle-hotel-tintagel-and-scientologists-john-irina-mappin-and-ted-stourton.61785/

sounds like a fun place to go to for a holiday (that thread from why we protest is very interesting), just makes one wonders what else hides in plain sight ;) ................

Northern Boy
12th May 2011, 20:10
yes interesting to say the least

lightblue
12th May 2011, 20:19
dawgbone
I find that truly ironic. These alleged skills helped him destroy PA2 with remarkable speed.

i 'd say his skills are dangerously formidable and i wish he'd kept his job with "the excellence"... he managed to keep together a large number of intellingent and intuitive people while witholding his true mission (king arthur's incarnation;fixation on scientology etc. :der:) for over a yaer that i know of :nod:.. so he does have some skills to boast about...you may have not been a member on avalon for as long to remember...:boink: l




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Mogs
13th May 2011, 08:44
Aleister Crowely: Wickedest Man in the World pt.1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czn8uCaPSl4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czn8uCaPSl4

part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dymjIqk5IfI&feature=related
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8c_aWMBzc&feature=related
part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwpQIp1HT7A&feature=related
part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrHwcW89o5g&feature=related
part 6 flagged by youtube
part 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDwXi7qS2-Y

and here we have the Parsons & L. Ron Hubbard connection 2:02:00 till 2:03:48.........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcRyj1TNepc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcRyj1TNepc


L. Ron Hubbard, The Occult, and Aleister Crowley
the words of l ron hubbard's son


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOMJjwFV4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOMJjwFV4Q

this folks is the basis of the freezone, rons org, scientology group.......

Witchy
13th May 2011, 10:03
Just couldn't help myself.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7065/364/320/Aleister-Crowley-32KB.jpghttp://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7065/364/320/barbara-bush.jpg

It is very plausible that Pauline Pierce (Barbara Bush?s mother) was friends with Aleister Crowley, in the 1920?s, and perhaps maybe more than friends. Pauline had a reputation of being a bit on the wild-side and it has been reported that she and Aleister were in France together around September/October of 1924. Barbara was born June 8th 1925. Pauline and Aleister were introduced by a mutual friend, the famed writer Frank Harris who lived in Paris at that time and whom both had dropped in to visit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntqz_NFiX_o&feature=player_embedded

Aquarian
13th May 2011, 10:08
It appears that Bill's "integrity" and honesty have been questioned back in 2006.

Seems like "Project Serpo" & "Project Charles" ended up as Project Hoax. Lets see how "Project Inelia" will end.


HOAX: alternative & Project Serpo

http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-4939.html

http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?4939-HOAX-alternative-amp-Project-Serpo&

________________________________________

gormworm
03-02-2006, 11:36 AM
Well, ... smade? hasn?t started a discussion on this topic.
So I guess it?s up to me.

Above Top Secret dot Com = expose ignorance

ProjectSerpo.org
The alternative view of ?Project Serpo?

SOURCE:
http://www.projectserpo.org/

Go to source page for linked material (in BOLD type)
..... lots of it!


Last updated February 27th, 2006.
Project Serpo Backgrounders

The Serpo Affair, as we now call it, began in late November of 2005 as a new website appeared that seemed to be relaying top-secret information about a government program to send 12 people to Planet Serpo of the Zeta Reticuli star system. The information was coming from someone known as "request anonymous" who apparently had access to secret DIA documents detailing the exchange. As the discussion evolved on AboveTopSecret.com with 5,000 replies, it became very clear that a new and complex hoax was being perpetrated on the Internet. This website provides a review of the Serpo Affair, and the overwhelmingly strong evidence that indicates it may be a hoax. This website is provided as a counter to the "official" serpo.org website to aid web researchers in understanding the issues, and coming to their own conclusions.

AboveTopSecret.com Serpo Discussion Summary: Several ATS members worked on an excellent overview of the "Project Serpo" discussion on ATS. Since the main discussion thread has 5,000 replies, this is a good place to begin learning about the discussion, analysis, and hoax revelation.

Interview With the Webmaster of Serpo.org: The Two out of Three Amigos Conspiracy Show taks a deep look at Project Serpo and an interview with the man who brought this story to the Internet, the webmaster of Serpo.org. This podcast has been remmoved from the ATS feeds.

Serpo Summary of January 17th, 2006, from the Webmaster of Serpo.org: To offer you my promised personal perspective on the enigmatic Serpo story, please find below the major points and perspectives which I believe are worth dwelling on when analyzing the entire affair.

Project Serpo Discussion Thread on AboveTopSecret.com, in 10 pages: As a public service to people who would like to dig further into researching the topic of "Project Serpo", we've recompiled the impossibly massive discussion board thread into 10 pages of 500 posts each. This is the original unaltered thread (minus forum "noise), in an easy-to-read format. Discover "Project Serpo" for yourself in this riveting, page-turning account, and make up your own mind. (caution: some of the file sizes are very large)
pg.2 pg.3 pg.4 pg.5 pg.6 pg.7 pg.8 pg.9 pg.10

Project Serpo Flags of Possible Hoax
Startling Ron's Org Scientology Link Discovered: The first rumblings of significant speculation of a hoax occurred in page 148 of the primary thread where a member discovered a link to the webmaster of Serpo.org, and Ron's Org Scientology. While we generally frown on pulling a


person's personal beliefs into a debate, Scientology is the one belief system that caused many members to suspect the motivations of the Serpo messenger.






gormworm
03-02-2006, 11:38 AM

SOURCE:
http://www.projectserpo.org/

Go to source page for linked material (in BOLD type)
..... lots of it!


Our members also found the possibility of a Viral Marketing effort for Ron's Org: It could mean, in theory, that this is possibly a viral marketing scheme for an upcoming game and it would not surprise me of this is for a platform system, however, all of this reads like a roleplaying module such as the old D&D game where an alien craft crashed into the fantasy world..classic module. Verified connections to Ron's Org continues to raise alarms: Ron's Org consists in part of people who earlier have been members of the Church of Scientology but have been thrown out because they adhered to the original philosophy of L. Ron Hubbard, or left on their own volition when they saw that LRH's philosophy was no longer being used in a constructive way. The others are people who have learned about LRH's philosophy in Ron's Org for the first time, authentically and without pressure.

A horribly created "Eben Object" drawing from "anonymous" was the smoking gun hoax indication for most ATS members: Member kinglizard posted a comparison of one of the Project Serpo images, described as "Eben Object", which turns out to have been created by a Berol RapiDesign drawing template. The shape comparison is complete as it's obvious the image originally presented as being part of the Project Serpo documentation, representing an object from an advanced space-faring civilization, was crudely drawn with a simple drafting template

Are there rival factions within the Serpo hoax? A new piece of "evidence" is discovered and the original Serpo pair react with uncharacteristic haste to discredit this "journal entry" page. A follow up analysis of the journal page shows that Serpo may be a viral campaign for some upcoming UFO-related product.

Hoax speculation comes to a dramatic climax with an outright accusation of lying: One of our long-standing members/moderators, Valhall, and prolific conspiracy theory researcher, spent a great deal of time digging behind the scenes to discover the reality of the "Serpo Affair". She uncovered a litany of apparent deception, inconsistencies, and missteps in the planning and dissemination of the hoax. The hoax is unraveling, a summary: My research on Serpo initiated because the first "moment of dishonesty" when chapman was allowed to be a part of the game until chapman spoke against the game - and then all of a sudden there are doubts about this character for nigh on 4 or 5 days. I found that to be extremely disingenuous. Actually I found that to be downright dishonest. So I decided to go out and do research on this. It was not "sanctioned" by ATS, nor was it part of some grand scheme. I was leary of him.

Radio interview slip ups inspire more hard questions: Please note that in the C2C interview on December 6th, the Serpo.org Webmaster was asked by Noory if the 12 had contact with Earth while they were on Serpo. He initially replies "I don't know." An hour into the interview he states "by the way, I checked on your question from about an hour ago and they did have contact with them while they were there".
"State of the Serpo Hoax" from member Centrist: Quite frankly, the only thing that would disgrace me is to go against my principles and the reasons why I am involved in this at all, which I have reiterated to you over and over again. Disgrace is when you do not speak your mind with honesty and integrity. Maybe you didn't like my message, but it was meant in all sincerity. I could not continue to involve myself in this discussion in a manner that defends your conveyance of the Serpo disclosure relying solely on your "word", when you had not only deceived me with regard to the IP addresses, but had insulted a well-intentioned, respected member of this community. Moreoever, you broke your word to Anonymous and failed to post his material in accordance with his instructions.

Project Serpo: Is it a soon to be released video game? New images have surfaced that presume to imply that all of these "Project Serpo" events are actually preliminary "buzz" marketing for a soon to be released video game. We take a critical look at these images new images and provide some food for thought.

Dan Burisch on Serpo Recently a serious effort has been mounted by several well-known names in ufology to "disclose" the alleged "reality" of an extraterrestrial "exchange program" that sent a team of 12 humans (10 men and 2 women, 12 men, or 11 men and 1 woman, depending on which disinformation specialist you may be listening to or reading) to a planet in the Zeta Reticuli star system in 1966. The planet name is called SERPO, according to this tale. This is unfortunate, because there are actually certain elements in this story that are true, as is the case with all 'disinfo'. However, the central contention - that humans went to a Zetan planet and lived among them - is patently false and an example of how the true Disclosure effort will be interfered with in the coming year, according to Dr. Burisch. ATS discussion thread


RECENT DEVELOPMENTSSerpo, Moore, Doty duty....
The first mention of MJ12 appeared on a message involving UFO photos, dated Nov. 17, 1980, which Richard Doty provided to William Moore, a teacher, turned writer. Moore, who had a newletter called FOCUS, would later briefly discuss a "Top Secret" Project Aquarius document which was cryptically mentioned in the Doty-provided teletype message with Brad Sparks.
Why We (ATS) Hate Hoaxes So Much
The "conspiracy theory" and UFOlogy communities share a common bond of damaged credibility. There has been far too much childish hoaxing, laughable theories, moronic speculation, and irresponsible statements littering the Internet like an intellectual cancer. Unless we work hard to kill each and every tumor of ignorance we encounter, the truth doesn't stand a chance.
An Open Letter to Bill Ryan (webmaster of serpo.org)
IS Anonymous RICK DOTY? We're only asking for a YES or NO answer -- if it's someone else, then so be it. This charade has gone on long enough, Bill. You are ruining your own life, Kelly's life, and have put OUR friend Victor through tremendous personal turmoil. For what? How can you be SO sure that Rick isn't pulling another "fast one" like he did on Coast to Coast? Serpo: The questions you can't ask Bill Ryan...
I certainly understand why Bill would choose not to post in a forum (ATS) where tough questions are asked, but you have to admit -- the place he has chosen to post is just "fluffy" at best. Maybe Bill could come back to ATS for long enough to answer some real questions. complete thread Richard Doty and Project Serpo: "Public Acclimation" or "Deception Program"?
Most UFO researchers aware of Richard Doty know of the unscrupulous role he played in UFO cases involving Paul Bennewitz and Linda Moulton Howe in the 1980's. Doty actively disseminated disinformation to throw these two researchers off the track in their respective UFO investigations. complete essay
Dan Burisch on Serpo
When the hoaxed documents appeared some thought: Dan Burisch. Likewise there appears to be one name that continues to pop up in Victor's e-mail, not always with niceties attached: Dan Burisch
Project Beta, The Story of Paul Bennewitz has some startling similarities with the "Serpo Affair". We find very similar core plots in the campaign of disinformation waged on Mr. Bennewitz, as well as some of the same personalities found to be involved in Serpo. Additional Bennewitz info.

More : http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-4939.html

Northern Boy
13th May 2011, 14:26
funny shape that circle isn`t it . one just has to carry on and the circle will complete its self . Seems he pulled the same stuff back then with his refusal to answer questions like he puts himself above the rest of us . Nice find AQ

Northern Boy
3rd June 2011, 06:06
Just to make those of you aware here i`m not done with Bill Ryan yet more is coming. For those that don`t have the stomach for it a word of advice don`t read it . Save you thread disturbing posts for your own threads thank you in advance

WhiteStar
4th June 2011, 16:43
Bill Ryan lied in his bio on Camelot.

Check http://thechallengeofexcellence.com/consultants.html

which is

Bill Ryan, B.Sc. Cert. Ed.

http://thechallengeofexcellence.com/images/bill_lg.jpg

Originally trained as an educator, Bill has a special and natural talent for creating a powerful and meaningful learning environment.

His empathy and intelligence enable him to appreciate and recognise a person's or group's special strengths and at the same time support and challenge them in the learning process. Bill has over twenty five years of experience in consulting, facilitating and counselling individuals, teams and groups in both the corporate, private and public sector from Executive (management teams) to entry level.

His areas of expertise are the development of high performing teams, leadership, coaching, conflict management, communications, interpersonal skills and organisational change. Bill is able to draw upon a vast range of management theories, which become instantly alive when he incorporates them in his use of experiential learning techniques. Bill has also been involved in and led mountaineering expeditions in North America, Africa and the Himalayas.

~~~

"His areas of expertise are the development of high performing teams, leadership, coaching, conflict management, communications, interpersonal skills and organisational change."

Oh this is so funny... "conflict management"... it's hilarious... ha, ha haa!


No ab12, I wouldn't say he lied, (cough, cough),
he simply forgot to add his greatest area of 'expertise'... telling Fairy Tales ;-)

sllim11
4th June 2011, 23:38
probably already saw this for those that didn't...

http://www.camelotcastle.com/problems.htm

http://www.camelotcastle.com/happy.htm

andywight
5th June 2011, 05:12
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/featured/17/celebz-ranting?listtype=FEATURED&page=1

Mogs
5th June 2011, 10:00
I think Whitestar that ab12 may have been alluding to bill Ryans bio on Avalon being taken from his old co-workers bios on challage of excellence, that's how I read it anyway ;)

Northern Boy
5th June 2011, 14:04
so this will be how I picture the spin as going:


Inelia and her 10th dimensional wisdom was the only one who was able to reach deep down inside Bill and bring him back to his sense`s. It wasn`t till then that Bill Ryan had realized what an utter assh ole he had become and because of the mind control games he was being put under by Charles and the 18 he can not be held responsible for his actions during this time frame. Then he will ask you all to forgive him rather then step forward and accept he is at fault here and that the scam being outlined will I`m sure include his name in its initial planning Stages. More to follow after a meeting with my good good Brazilian friend on Monday

Scott
6th June 2011, 20:40
Bill Ryan lied in his bio on Camelot.

Check http://thechallengeofexcellence.com/consultants.html

Not sure it was mentioned but The Founder & Managing Director of this group (Susan Kaye) Bill Ryan is a member of seems to be connected to Scientology as well.
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/clears/auditor_150.html
7064 Susan Kaye

Scott

Mogs
6th June 2011, 21:19
Not sure it was mentioned but The Founder & Managing Director of this group (Susan Kaye) Bill Ryan is a member of seems to be connected to Scientology as well.
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/clears/auditor_150.html
7064 Susan Kaye

Scott

funny how her info has been removed on that site scott, just within last month, but shes still showing as being there


7058 Mike Rabey
7059 Wendy Hebblewhite
7060 Leif Windle
7061 Ewan Guy
7062 Don Larson
7063 Ian Needham
7064 Susan Kaye
7065 Joseph Francis
7066 Giovanni Franchi
7067 Hugh Wilhere
7068 Nicole Massie
7069 Gladys Starbuck
7070 Klaus Buchele
7071 Joe Cartwright

Northern Boy
30th August 2011, 16:46
So who is❤Andreas Buttler and what does Bill Ryan think of him? Please save your comments if you don`t like this don`t read it

http://english.freiescientologen.de/text/Report_on_Caspar_de_Rijk's_FZ_Convention_2008%2C_A ndreas_Buttler_and_Spiritologie
Report on Caspar de Rijk's FZ Convention 2008, Andreas Buttler and Spiritologie


Here are further articles on that:❤Spiritology and Andreas Buttler - enemy of Scientology (http://english.freiescientologen.de/text/Spiritology_and_Andreas_Buttler_-_enemy_of_Scientology)
These emails I document here for public interests:

http://english.freiescientologen.de/images/3/32/SpySquirrel.jpg (http://english.freiescientologen.de/text/Image:SpySquirrel.jpg)
Email From:❤Bill Ryan
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008
Here is a personal report on Caspar de Rijk's FZ Convention held at Birega Haus, Biere, Germany, on 9-11 May 2008.
The purpose of the report is to report factually what I observed, experienced and/or was told by others, and to make clear where appropriate which are my personal opinions, evaluations and concerns.
... (some paragraphs deleted by Andreas Grosz for better reading)
Spiritology (Spiritologie) was represented by Andreas Buttler, whom I had not previously met. Andreas's presence at the weekend was one of the reasons I attended the convention. I had previously heard and read a number of reports, and had some serious concerns. It was important to me that I checked this out personally rather than rely on rumor lines, however well-intentioned. Because of the importance of this subject, and the ethical questions raised, the rest of my report will focus on this.


Bill Ryan's observations of Andreas Buttler

He is physically slightly smaller-than-average man with an average 'size of the being'. This is in contrast with LRH and Captain Bill Robertson [CBR], who many have reported filled the room with their presence. (I can confirm this personally with CBR. I never met LRH.) Andreas was greeted with some adulation and a lot of admiration by many people. I observed quite a lot of charge, laughter and attention of others about him.
He appeared to enjoy the attention. When standing before the audience, he was confident but was also enjoying 'acting the part', as if on stage. He enjoyed entertaining and being cause so as to make people laugh and react. He had a good sense of timing. But he was not just 'being there'. In my opinion he was trying to be interesting. In all my personal experience with CBR (I never knew LRH), I never experienced that. CBR was 'just there', whatever he did, and did not have much attention on self.
ERICH FRITSCH has visited Caspar on more than one occasion and has attempted to explain to him, at length, why Andreas Butler's application of LRH tech violates certain Axioms. There is now reason to believe that Erich has recently disconnected from Caspar. For more information on this, please consult Caspar.


How Spiritology addresses case

The following is my understanding based on conversations with others. It is, of course, a very brief summary and is not intended to be a comprehensive technical analysis. I am also not a trained C/S, although I am an experienced solo auditor and have had twenty years of experience on the Ron's Org Bridge, currently on the Games Basics Course. Therefore I do consider that I have a good understanding of both LRH's and CBR's technical developments and intentions.
Spiritology is a comprehensive application of Creative Processing as developed by LRH in the early 1950s. Many will know that this is a powerful technique. It is interesting that LRH himself went on to develop a much more complex and far-reaching Bridge, evidently making the judgment that a case could NOT be handled with Creative Processing alone. Andreas Buttler's consideration is that LRH made an error of judgment at the time and should have persisted with these high-level techniques, which in many ways can be considered as OT processes.
The essence of the problem can be summarized in a communication exchange I had with Andreas Buttler himself in his seminar on the Saturday afternoon. This was recorded on video and should be publicly available, so I have no reason to falsify it. What follows is my best recall of the importances of the conversation.
Andreas reached a point in his presentation when he said: 'Captain Bill was a good guy, but started to invent SPs everywhere'. This is my paraphrase based on my recall. If these were not the exact words used, his intention and meaning was clear.
In Andreas's metaphysics, everything is the creation, or 'imagination', of the being - including what you, the reader, are reading now. As such, there is really no U3 - no 'real physical universe'. Andreas considers this to be an apparency, in the sense that LRH defines 'Apparency' in The Fundamentals of Thought.
As CBR was not present - physically, at least! - I felt a responsibility to make a correction. I cannot now recall the exact communication exchange, but I stated my viewpoint that SPs (whether or not they had a body) certainly were real, and needed handling just as all beings with cases need handling, and it was the responsibility of auditors to address that.
Andreas replied that one should not get into a fight with SPs.
I replied that there was no intention to fight SPs, but to handle them as PCs from one's position and responsibility as an auditor.
Andreas then used my own originations as an example of how Spiritology works (and it was a good example). If my considerations or originations were charged on the meter, then they would be taken up by a Spriritology auditor and handled by 'Imagination Processing' (Spiritology's application of Creative Processing). If I were (for instance) to protest this, then THAT origination would be taken up. If I disagreed that this was the right handling technically or ethically, then THAT origination would be taken up. If I told Andreas that I believed that he was mistaken and was acting unethically or with an unethical product, then THAT origination would be taken up. And so on.
I believe that Andreas used the words: 'There is no escape'. This perfectly describes his methodology. ANY origination is taken up as an item to be processed with 'Imagination Processing', whether it is a protest, an out-rudiment, a consideration that there is an auditing error or an overrun, or, absolutely anything else at all. Everything is taken up and processed in a similar way, as long as it is a charged consideration.
I understood what he meant, and it may have been useful for the audience. The principle is that EVERY CONSIDERATION OF THE PC or Pre-OT is handled by the same general techniques. If I were to receive Spiritology processing, it would be my CONSIDERATIONS about the SPs that would be handled.. not the SPs themselves, as the SPs only 'exist' in my 'imagination'.
The debate here goes right to the heart of the axioms and of all metaphysics. What is real? This is the question.
I have debated with CAH frequently about this ( CAH is an old friend of mine who has left Ron?s Org lines to take up Spiritology). What follows is a real example, but is simplified to make the point:
CAH: "I'm having a lot of wins from Spiritology. When I walk down the street I don't see bad things any more. I don?t see drug addicts and homeless people in the doorways when I walk home late at night. Everything is better."
Bill: "But they're still there. They're just in the next street, where you can't see them."
I report this with great love and respect for my friend CAH. We have had a lot of laughs about this. We continue to disagree strongly.


My evaluation

1) Spiritology is a mis-application of No-Game Conditions to the Game Conditions which form the world we are living in. (For definitions, see Fundamentals of Thought.)
2) It's irresponsible to state that the reality 'out there' is an illusion and only exists in imagination. At the highest levels (out of the games at this level on Earth and in this Universe), this is of course true. But it is illogical to apply the principles to reality here. One might be able to clean up one's own universe using Creative Processing, but the drug addicts and homeless people (and the SPs!) still exist. Life might appear fine, in PT, looking out at the world from our eyes, and using our perception. But one only has to travel - to Africa, Myanmar (Burma), China, and many other places - to see something entirely different.
3) Therefore it is an encouragement to the PC to not-is.
4) It is unethical in that it does NOT handle the real dangerous environment, which is one of LRH's stated purposes of the tech.
5) It is a false bridge by the definitions of CBR in Admin Briefing 2, in that it delivers some gains, gives the illusion of progress and spiritual development, but does not handle the real problems in U3.
6) Andreas Buttler is not LRH. To me this is obvious. What may be happening (and this is my personal opinion) is that Andreas is someone who worked with LRH in the early 1950s, was technically trained by him, and at that time had the strong opinion that Creative Processing was the way to handle everything and that LRH was wrong to move on to develop the Bridge as we now know it.
7) Therefore my opinion is that this is a dramatization of Andreas's unhandled valence item and service fac. (Caspar's consideration is that it is not important whether or not Andreas is LRH, and no technical evaluation of Andreas's case has been made.)
8) Andreas Buttler states that Xenu has been handled. He states that for a considerable period of time a few years ago he personally audited to EP a person whom Xenu was using as an identity. The auditing continued for quite some time and contained quite some TA and drama. This information was told to me by Caspar. Please consult Caspar or Andreas Buttler for further details of this claim.
9) Andreas now states that 'Scientology is no longer necessary', and promotes this viewpoint to anyone interested in Spiritology.
10) I believe that RR, whom I like and respect and who clearly knows a lot about the tech, is correct when he observes that the processes can work very well when correctly applied (as any process can) - but that it is the intention behind the application that can be suppressive and is suppressive in this instance.
11) In summary, knowing what I consider I know about Xenu and the state of the Games, this is a typical Xenu game which he would regard as extremely funny. I consider myself well-qualified to offer this opinion and am very confident of this evaluation. Andreas Buttler is not an SP, but is functioning as one. In reality, he is unknowingly PTS to Xenu, and this is a very typical (and very ingenious) Xenu scenario.
12) Because of this, there is a Danger. Some people who for one reason or another are not totally satisfied with their bridge, instead of taking the issues up standardly with their own auditor or C/S, are leaving Ron's Org (and other) lines and are being seduced by the promises and PR of Spiritology, which of course delivers wins as per the definition of a False Bridge.
13) This is a no-confront and is exactly what LRH defined as rabbiting: running 'away from everything including his bank'. (HCOB 26 Apr 71 II, HCOB 10 Apr 72).
14) The benefit for Xenu, meanwhile - is that none of his guys get any auditing. That?s why he's laughing...
It's fine with me for this report to be forwarded or published elsewhere on the internet, or translated into any other language, as long as no meaning is changed.
BILL RYAN
Ron's Org
Answer by Andreas Buttler

From: Andreas Buttler <andreas@spiritologie.de>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:17:39 +0200
Now LISTEN, Asshole!! Bill Ryan!
You are " trying" to INVALIDATE a big WIN of my friend Claude-Alain, he was and is widely F/Ning on, after he reached the full E/P of OT-Processes!
You never call this man a friend again you lying bug! And then invalidate a full E/P, you never saw at a meter, because you cannot even operate one - you OT who never cleared anybody by Tech, because you have no training at all as a professionel auditor.
And of course you cannot audit, because you never handled you stammering! Tech never came in on you, because of your Out-Ethics.
No go home to your american CIA Boss and tell him, your project failed utterly to infiltrade every group of Scientologists, to spread your ideas of Chaos and Evil in the wold, as your friend and puppet George W Bush does, because of the same plan, you are following! You cannot distract them anymore, cannot control anymore what they should think and agree upon, so that you can continue the war in the world against your self created evil to make Billions out of all the slaughtered human beings and suffering!
You failed! And everybody can see now to which stinking breed you belong. It is obvious for a blind man in a coma!
THIS IS YOUR REAL WHY FOR YOUR REPORT!
You even said so, that you came there just because of ME!
Because you have been ordered too - to then write exactly that REPORT, that was written already! You and your friends have been afraid of me all the time and thought, you should try a last attack, to see, if you could stop it in the beginning, when my book is published! And...you just disclosed you true Beingness and Intentions by that!❤:) You are to degraded to even see that you are following orders of unaware antisocial nuts without any real power!
We know you now!!! So go home fast or I grab you by your ❤❤❤❤ed up white hat throat!
And take your Psychologist Regina right with you, or she will be visited by me too!
Last warning!
One look at your website is enough to see, what kind of mock-ups you want others to agree upon - you merchant of entheta, fear and terror and suppression!
You are confronted and declared SP by me already! So you can stop avoiding Caspars mails, definitions and offers.
We know, that you don't have any MU. You are just playing the idiot, that cannot grasp! You don't WANT to grasp, because it is against your oders and the game, your boss wanted you to play in the Spiritologits - and Scientologists universe.
You are out now! Unmocked in our game - leave this country and tell your friends, I will get them too - with FUN!
I was in control all the time - I even GAVE your friends the church of Scientology to trap them with - because it is not needed anymore!❤:)
So you grabbed it❤:) And I had a laugh!
Love, even for you, poor Idiot!
Andreas Buttler

aroundthetable
30th August 2011, 21:38
Thank you for the well articulated responses.

I think we can agree that sometimes the veil gets lifted, and sometimes it requires some assistance.

I joined this forum because I realize that we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

That experience often involves miscommunication and hurt feelings, which often leads to errors in judgement (whether admitted or not by the error-ee). A persons past does not define them.

I came here to continue the valued and engaging communication with the many souls I resonated deeply with on PA.

I have a deep love for you all, and I apologize for coming off as insensitive. I just know that the world needs us to embrace love right now, not playing the victim, savior, or villain.

Sorry for derailing the topic, it was unintentional.


Are you stoned?

thetagal
18th August 2014, 19:32
Hi. Just to let you know re: the subject, I have a group on the net http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cbrinterested/ which is a study group for people who have finished OT III who are interested in the CBR tech. You are welcome to join if you are OT III or above.

Pat