Reincarnates - Why always Kings and Heroes?

[?uestions]

Something I was thinking about during a discussion with a good friend. We got onto the discussion of reincarnation.

During the discussion we shared a laugh on how people always seem to think they were the following in a past life:

1. A King or Queen (Pharaohs)
2. Some sort deity (Ra, Ramtha, Jesus)
3. War Heroes

I notice I have met very few paupers, peasants and floor cleaners. But I have met a few Joan of Arc. Anyone else notice this? I know we desire to be great, but how come people can only "remember" those lives and not the others?

?uestions

[Swami]

I was a Roman Gipsy in my foreign live. Got deported to the Russian labourcamps during WW2 and got gunned down into a massgrave in 1952.

No hero here...........

[DawgBone]

I notice I have met very few paupers, peasants and floor cleaners. But I have met a few Joan of Arc. Anyone else notice this? I know we desire to be great, but how come people can only "remember" those lives and not the others?

Actually, I think this is a myth, at least with regard to serious reincarnation research.

If you read the writings of people like Brian Weiss and Michael Newton, you won't encounter Cleopatra.

[Warponies]

I was shepherd in one life. A civil war nurse such as they were then. My past five lives I was put down to death before I was able to live long enough to be anything in particular important or not...lol. .If allowed to live I'm pretty sure I would have been someone REALLY important and famous that everyone would know about now. (ha ha)


I had something weird happen to me when one of these weirdo readers tried to impose on me that she 'knew' I was Cleopatra in a past life. I was holding on to this book about past life healing. So as the reader keeps insisting I'm Cleopatra...lol...I dropped the book on the floor. I bent to pick it up and it noticed it had fallen open to a chapter that was titled" You are NOT Cleopatra".....lol.

I thought it was THE funniest thing. Best timing too.

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i wouldn't necessarily believe the regressionists :fie:...not fussed about what i was - if i was here before.. :unsure: l


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[Ammit]

I do not know who or what I was but would dealy love to.

I have had the same type of dream for many years of being a soldier hunting down androids. I have also dreamt of being a boy of about 10 years old on a old steam train in my local area. Told this to a old uncle who said it was impossible as it was all removed before I was born. I told him the colour of the train, where the tracks used to go and where the line boxes and stations were. He cant believe I know so much about it as most is not recorded.

I would love to know my past...

[irishspirit]

Because to sell a book, you needed to be royal.

Me, on the other hand? I cannot seem to get out of Ireland. Third time here for me. I gotta say, I am taking a real dis-liking to Arthur Guinness.

[Arpheus]

I was a very down to earth simple mountain farmer on one of my most recent past lives>No clue whats with the illusions of grandeur LOL,also that was a very happy life i tell ya,way better then the one i got going now hehe.

[DawgBone]

I had something weird happen to me when one of these weirdo readers tried to impose on me that she 'knew' I was Cleopatra in a past life. I was holding on to this book about past life healing. So as the reader keeps insisting I'm Cleopatra...lol...I dropped the book on the floor. I bent to pick it up and it noticed it had fallen open to a chapter that was titled" You are NOT Cleopatra".....lol.

I thought it was THE funniest thing. Best timing too.

LOL! What a terrific synchronicity! Very funny.

[Warponies]

Because to sell a book, you needed to be royal.

Me, on the other hand? I cannot seem to get out of Ireland. Third time here for me. I gotta say, I am taking a real dis-liking to Arthur Guinness.

I spent nearly all my lives in Ireland and Wales. As far as I know I spent only the last few lives in America and was murdered each time so I guess thats what I get for leaving Ireland.

At some point my family immigrated and we're stuck here with who...? The Irish and the Welsh. . As soon as they immigrated they found the remotest mountain they could find, holed up here, clanning with other Irish and Welsh, and blamed each other for being..either Irish or ...Welsh No one met any Americans until the late 1950's. All my life I've heard "stick with your own kind " and "No wonder you're divorced you didn't marry Irish." Or..the Irelanders are pointing fingers at me that its my 'welsh blood' while the Welsh faction points fingers that its my Irish blood.

So.. Even if you left Ireland you won't ever leave Ireland. Apparently it comes with you.

[goldenyears]

Oh gosh....I was in ancient Pompeii (most likely a slave or someone of lowly rank), many incarnations in Ireland and England, peasant class of course....ancient Egypt....American Civil War confederate soldier......short lives, nothing spectacular....


Oh, and I was on the Titanic when it went down....I was an Irish immigrant trapped in steerage.....what is it with Ireland?

[lightblue]

..I dropped the book on the floor. I bent to pick it up and it noticed it had fallen open to a chapter that was titled" You are NOT Cleopatra".....lol.

I thought it was THE funniest thing. Best timing too.

the book thought you were with a wrong reader...:wink: l


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[DawgBone]

Oh, and I was on the Titanic when it went down....I was an Irish immigrant trapped in steerage.....what is it with Ireland?

Golden, did you watch the movie? Did you get any kind of twinge?

[goldenyears]

Golden, did you watch the movie? Did you get any kind of twinge?

Oh heck yeah! I remember as a kid watching the black and white movie "A Night To Remember" with Barbara Stanwyck about the sinking of the Titanic and it clicked then.

[noxon]

Something I was thinking about during a discussion with a good friend. We got onto the discussion of reincarnation.

During the discussion we shared a laugh on how people always seem to think they were the following in a past life:

1. A King or Queen (Pharaohs)
2. Some sort deity (Ra, Ramtha, Jesus)
3. War Heroes

I notice I have met very few paupers, peasants and floor cleaners. But I have met a few Joan of Arc. Anyone else notice this? I know we desire to be great, but how come people can only "remember" those lives and not the others?

?uestions

In a documentary I have seen, there was credible evidence, from real experience,
of past life memories, embedded in the "soul", "spirit", or "whatever" .. .

One (a) person remembered being a tailor in a small town,
and the past life memories that "stuck", was the pleasant everyday stuff.
When easy and casual, and so much more .....

Walking along the river, on the way home from work, to meet
your lovely spouse, wife, whatever, for an afternoon sunlid
dinner on the terrasse, or in the front garden ..

Magical View ,
Well remembered .

(and recommended)

All good

:fish:
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[?uestions]

Interesting to read. I remember myself as a mercheant in a desert land somewhere but I don't remember exactly. I could smell spices, and hear speech but not entirely sure where. It happened in spurts during dreams spread out.

Does anyone know if our fears that we have stem from past lives and trauma?

There have been a few places I have been when I traveled that really hit me hard. In some respects it felt like I hadn't been there in ages. Anyone else experience something like that?

All the Best,

[goldenyears]

The interesting thing about my last incarnation as a confederate soldier....is that my great-grandfather, James Madison Bryant, fought for the Union. But I clearly saw that I was a confederate soldier, my ex-husband was my red-headed wife, and Im guessing we got together in this lifetime because I died on the battlefield in Gettysburg, and we had issues we had to work out. I moved to Virginia about 20yrs ago...and it SOOO feels like home to me...even though I grew up in Yankee-land (NY)! Ive been to Gettyssburg many times...and I just get unbelievable feelings.

[Warponies]

When I go out West I feel it.

I thought Texas on the surface was like being on another planet but...the place was like weird familiar to me.

The small area I live in Michigan. I've lived her FIVE times just in this lifetime. Something here keeps dragging me back. And I'm weird about leaving it.

American in general I've just never felt at home in though, not on this side of the Missip.

[noxon]

thank you so much for sharing .
goldenyears and all .

[?uestions]

I think it's neat that although our souls have traveled far, that we have found one another along with a place to meet and share in our journeys. In the words of noxon, ,"Thank you so much for sharing"

Cheers

[goldenyears]

Wait!! What?? We're done sharing?? I want to hear more!!!

[Warponies]

Oh heck yeah! I remember as a kid watching the black and white movie "A Night To Remember" with Barbara Stanwyck about the sinking of the Titanic and it clicked then.

I had an outright panic attack anxiety episode when I was about 12 when they released that move "The Rose" with Bette Midler, based on the life of Janis Joplin. That attack lasted for weeeeeks. . Years later it occurred to me it may have been past life related. Maybe I knew her or something.

[goldenyears]

I had an outright panic attack anxiety episode when I was about 12 when they released that move "The Rose" with Bette Midler, based on the life of Janis Joplin. That attack lasted for weeeeeks. . Years later it occurred to me it may have been past life related. Maybe I knew her or something.

Isnt that crazy when things like that affect you in an extreme way? Especially when you're a kid...

[?uestions]

Wait!! What?? We're done sharing?? I want to hear more!!!

No. Just conveying my sense of gratitude. :)

[Janos]

Interesting stuff folks. Thanks for sharing. :)

[Warponies]

Has anyone ever met anyone on line from a past life. Like bump into them on a forum or bulletin board , the 'accidental' meeting?

[DawgBone]

Has anyone ever met anyone on line from a past life. Like bump into them on a forum or bulletin board , the 'accidental' meeting?

I think most of us have probably felt an instant attraction or an instant dislike for some people. Reincarnation and past friendships are possibly an explanation.

I feel sure that it could happen online, too.

[Janos]

Has anyone ever met anyone on line from a past life. Like bump into them on a forum or bulletin board , the 'accidental' meeting?

Yes.

There are a few folks that I have a very strong connection with, and them with me. We most certainly have known each other before, and fought many battles together, both literally and figuratively.

Some are even here on this forum... ;)

Hail brethren! Ye know who ye are! :)

[?uestions]

I've read (and humbly believe) that souls congregate. Like magnets we fly and look and when we find we recognize that part of ourselves in another. This is my humble opinion and I base this on how I feel when I meet others. Sometimes it doesn't click and other times it as if I've been reunited with an old friend. It's as if we continued our conversation from years past even though we have not met. So when people see me thanking others or feeling excited to meet another, it's from the heart.

[Swami]

Yes.

There are a few folks that I have a very strong connection with, and them with me. We most certainly have known each other before, and fought many battles together, both literally and figuratively.

Some are even here on this forum... ;)

Hail brethren! Ye know who ye are! :)

Any remeberance of a lifetime in Wales Janos.....?

[Bethany]

Yes, I've had past lives with people on this site.

I have had lives where I was a bit more prestigious, and others as just a regular ole Joe. But my spirit always remains that of a kickass Queen.

[Warponies]

I was in this huge writing forum about ten years back. And there was a man in there named Richard. He rubbed me the wrong way right from the start. I ignored him for the most part but for some reason he just honed in on me the way that annoying people whom you'd prefer to avoid always seem to find you. He was always seeking me out to bust my chops, failed, and then pop up again for no apparent reason to try to antagonize me. And then all restraint would be gone, and the fangs and claws and disemboweling a personal level would come out. Sorta unnatural really. But .. Writers can have big egos and their forums are filled with bickering so.... so I chalked it up to that. And some people just put your fur up.

One day someone asked in the forum how I came about my pen name, Llefwynn. I explained it was from an ancient relative from the 11th Century that fought with Lord Someone near Scotland in the Battle of Something (I can't recall the details now but I did then).

Next thing you know Richard is pm'ing me. He recognized this old surname of my family hat has He confided that of course we had issues with each other but he said "My forebears fought in the same battle against your side. There's not a whole lot of people who can trace blood back to that specific event that I know of. I really think the reason we fight and bicker so much is because some how we knew that our families are bitter bitter enemies. Its just hanging there unresolved on an intuitive level. And we're duking it out still. "

It sounded pretty on the mark especially from a yob like him because there was no real reason for us to clash horns so much.

[?uestions]

That's an Amazing story Warponies. That is something I would have expected to read in a great novel!

[buchanan561]

More More.....come on you guys, I want more. ..................................
..................................I'm waiting.................waiting...............???? ? I will be back and there had better be more............Emmmmmmma

[Nagual]

Has anyone ever met anyone on line from a past life. Like bump into them on a forum or bulletin board , the 'accidental' meeting?

last year i met in Slovakia a woman who was my best friend and lover in 1492 in Italy. We both have memories of that life and everything matches up to the smallest details...

In my last incarnation I was a woman in Portugal, I remember the town, the house and the street address! which I found a few years ago when traveling thru Portugal...

fully remember 8 of my past lives, luckily no one as a king or deity :laugh:

[Icecold]

I was in this huge writing forum about ten years back. And there was a man in there named Richard. He rubbed me the wrong way right from the start. I ignored him for the most part but for some reason he just honed in on me the way that annoying people whom you'd prefer to avoid always seem to find you. He was always seeking me out to bust my chops, failed, and then pop up again for no apparent reason to try to antagonize me. And then all restraint would be gone, and the fangs and claws and disemboweling a personal level would come out. Sorta unnatural really. But .. Writers can have big egos and their forums are filled with bickering so.... so I chalked it up to that. And some people just put your fur up.

One day someone asked in the forum how I came about my pen name, Llefwynn. I explained it was from an ancient relative from the 11th Century that fought with Lord Someone near Scotland in the Battle of Something (I can't recall the details now but I did then).

Next thing you know Richard is pm'ing me. He recognized this old surname of my family hat has He confided that of course we had issues with each other but he said "My forebears fought in the same battle against your side. There's not a whole lot of people who can trace blood back to that specific event that I know of. I really think the reason we fight and bicker so much is because some how we knew that our families are bitter bitter enemies. Its just hanging there unresolved on an intuitive level. And we're duking it out still. "

It sounded pretty on the mark especially from a yob like him because there was no real reason for us to clash horns so much.


I had a welsh grandfather, who at the turn of the 20thC, took great delight in hunting down Irish bushrangers. He was very good at it. He finally settled down and married a scots/irish woman, I guess he was clearing away the competition. :laugh:

Maybe it is the case that our reincarnated lives are closely related to our DNA. My father's side is Danish/German. I know of three past lives....two were viking....one a woman...one a man. Also had a past life in the world civilisation of Atlantis...which involved me in a m?nage ? trois which ended very badly....for a rival. Sorry about that whoever you are. :)

It could also be the case that we do not have past lives but rather concurrent lives.
In other words all lives happen as a spectrum, at the same no time. :neo:

[Modwiz]

I have had a "past life" bleedthrough in my twenties and it wasn't the best of experiences. I put "past life" in quotations because although one can view time linearly and it will be relevant and real in that perspective, my experience of time as simultaneous is my reality.

My bleedthrough involved a nobleman of what would today be Spain and the Moors were there at that time. Rinaldo, his name, was a psychopath who loved to use his sword. He was particurly proficient and enjoyed flirting with other mens wives to create a sense of dishonor for their husbands and creating conditions where the offended one would either have to duel with him, and die, or endure further taunts and indignities. Peasants were also killable if they offended a noble in certain ways and he managed to make this happen enough to endanger his own life by abuse of his privilege. He loved new swords and liked to test and "blood" them as soon as possible.

This other timeline aspect of myself found a doorway to me during a trying period of my life when people were vexing me in ways that made me angry. He wanted me to let him "help" with things. I let him in for a few hours and terrified almost every person who encountered me/him. My memory of it is dreamlike. I never let him take possession of me again but he is never far away because he is an aspect of myself.

I have other memories, many mundane and peasant ones. Knowing starvation allows me to enjoy food in ways most do not. I know/remember how a piece of crusty bread tastes better than any confection when you haven't eaten for days. As much as cars are overused I never forget how miserable traveling any distance on horseback in the cold and/or rain can be. Warm and dry in my car during a driving rain makes me happy instead of disgruntled.

I really could go on for a while but my point is almost made. I wasn't anybody else, they are all me looking at life from different eyes but behind those eyes, and these eyes, is the Eternal me doing life and giving Spirit a pair of hands.

I also like the simultaneous time scenario because with past lives come past deaths and some were/are not pleasant to remember/face again. While I live, they live with me and we exchange sensory data and enrich each other and the common Me together.

[John]

great story's guys.

[Icecold]

❤❤❤❤ Modwiz that is soooooooooooo synchronous it ain't funny. lol (yes it is.)

[Northern Boy]

I was a Roman Gipsy in my foreign live. Got deported to the Russian labourcamps during WW2 and got gunned down into a massgrave in 1952.

No hero here...........
hmmm I may have been the guy shooting you LOL

[Modwiz]

❤❤❤❤ Modwiz that is soooooooooooo synchronous it ain't funny. lol (yes it is.)

We couldna timed it like that if we had tried, brother.

[Icecold]

Bloody amazing I say. :cool:

There are other things at play here. :rolleyes:

[buchanan561]

I enjoy reading these stories. I only have one incident which was not a memory and not sure just what it is/was about. I found myself standing on this tiny hillside with people coming at me with stones. They were throwing these stones at me as they had judged me and found me guilty of something. Not in a court, but in a large mob like atmosphere. Many years ago from the scenery that came with the flash that I was shown. But their purpose was to stone me to death as they did.

I was very young, a teenager and I felt so badly as they were falsely accusing me of something that was not true. The judgment was on some spiritual level as they judged my words as not being what they believed. That is the most of what I was shown. I think I was a 'seerer (spelling) Spiritual entity which was deemed 'evil' to them. This is not from my memory, it is what I was shown by spiritual beings. They have been with me all my adult life. Emma

[Mogs]

last time around i was drugged and then shot in my back when trying to escape to warn the others
time was ww2, place of death, by a river in the mountains in france. not very nice! but then from my past life experiences i have learned we all died somehow, just wasnt often from old age. have gone back 40,000 years or so.

are these past lives or are they dna genetic memories? i dont know, last time i never had children

[John]

my brother has told me before that he can remembers very clearly being in a battle as a German tank commander/operator popping his head out the hatch and being shot.

Guess he had never heard the saying.......Keep your head down :fie:

[Icecold]

He might know Lord Sidious. :laugh:

[Swami]

hmmm I may have been the guy shooting you LOL

Well, NB I forgive you...........
But aim a bit better next time and use more lead......:tongue:

[Warponies]

Yeah you really have to cull those Irish numbers as history has told us because if you don't they'll take over the joint. ;)

If the concept of time is artificially imposed, that does bring bearing on 'past' lives if time doesn't really exist. Can't be in the past. I suppose its essentially the same thing in terms of memory.

One wonders how those lives bring bearing on this life. Like if my wealthy life would lend me some money?

Past or concurrent Modwiz's post reminded me of how we bring fragments of other life personalities forward, we can create roles around them the same way that children create roles around circumstances imposed on them. They will pop up periodically and express themselves like bleedthrough and because they are always there express themselves subconsciously.

The druids had a means of plotting a way to work the spirit into a bloodline, for less nefarious reasons, than the way we are told the PTB do. Set a trajectory so a spiritual bloodline (as they referred to it) would intersect with a physical one. Its a means of heading off events in the future, as they were perceived in the present. The druids had a lot of understanding about DNA perhaps not expressed in scientific terms but it does substantiate that spiritual matter and dna matter are closely related.

Self engineering. One wonders how many of us have done it.


I had a welsh grandfather, who at the turn of the 20thC, took great delight in hunting down Irish bushrangers. He was very good at it. He finally settled down and married a scots/irish woman, I guess he was clearing away the competition. :laugh:

Maybe it is the case that our reincarnated lives are closely related to our DNA. My father's side is Danish/German. I know of three past lives....two were viking....one a woman...one a man. Also had a past life in the world civilisation of Atlantis...which involved me in a m?nage ? trois which ended very badly....for a rival. Sorry about that whoever you are. :)

It could also be the case that we do not have past lives but rather concurrent lives.
In other words all lives happen as a spectrum, at the same no time. :neo:

[Wings]

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if it is correct that we retain the same soul essence over the eons, what is the significance of knowing who and what we may have been? surely, the point must be in how much we as souls progressed or regressed in our evolution/striving to be re-united with the creator..if we can't remember the lessons we learned in the process, what good is it in knowing where you lived or who you were 300 or 300.000 years ago? no good at all in my view..it's just entertainment..

i experience the whole system of endless re-incarnations as a devoius imprisonment ...i think humans are meant to leave this plane a lot sooner than they/we are given according to this system ..and i don't know if it applies to all...:happy: l


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[DawgBone]

i experience the whole system of endless re-incarnations as a devoius imprisonment ...i think humans are meant to leave this plane a lot sooner than they/we are given according to this system ..and i don't know if it applies to all...:happy:

Robert Monroe describes human incarnations in similar terms, LB. In his first incarnation he was a woman and was brutally murdered. Between incarnations he decided to be a warrior, the next time around, to get even and to avoid the same fate. Eventually he was trapped in the excitement and confusions of human lifetimes.

It reminds me of Hollywood. Enormously talented actors, directors, writers, etc. combine their remarkable abilities to produce violent, sensational garbage. Addictive garbage.

Not that human lifetimes are entirely garbage. But to some extent they are, and in some sense I do think we are imprisoned.

[Icecold]

I wonder if anyone has ever taken birth as a troll?

Maybe some other mythical creature?

[Janos]

It could also be the case that we do not have past lives but rather concurrent lives.
In other words all lives happen as a spectrum, at the same no time.

Now there is a very interesting concept, and could indeed explain a few things. Good thought, Icecold. :)

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[Myst]

I've come to believe that we are actually collections of particles of consciousness. The goal of the cycle of incarnations is to achieve a viable, sovereign being, which in the terms just described means a very cohesive collection of particles with integrity and harmony. Early in the cycle, subgroups of particles often split off upon death and then join with subgroups from other individuals, in order to achieve sufficient "mass" to reincarnate. Later on, it may be that a subgroup achieves completion and chooses to join with collectives in the spirit realm. Towards the end of the cycle there is almost no mixing and matching, but rather a solidifying of identity. But the constituent parts of old souls have at one time or another shared lives with parts that now belong to others whom they may meet in life and recognize as soul siblings, soul mates, and so on. They tend to feel some level of connection with almost everyone and so become very altruistic. As well, they have connections through threads of awareness with those in spirit.

Because of this, it is entirely possible for many different people to "remember" a past life as Cleopatra, although I think the point of your opening statement was to ask why the emphasis on relatively rare notable figures in history. Many of the responses so far have revealed a representative cross-section of the human experience, but it is not surprising if people choose to focus on the part of their heritage they feel most proud of. A positive sense of self-worth can come from awareness of the achievements of our other lives.

[Janos]

That people only remember the lives of kings and heroes is not true.

I don't think that comment was tailored towards the individual who remembers their past lives, or seeks to, but rather towards those who seek to use such things for gain. You know, those folks who think they are King Arthur, Gwenwhyvar, etc.


Now if I told you I was also famous person Z but here I had very good evidence, which of these 2 claims are you (and many others) more likely to believe?


I think the point here was that people oft do it for fame or monetary gain. No one cares if you were Jesus (Ramirez) the Mexican Janitor in your past life. It's Jesus of Nazareth they want to read about. ;)

People give people what they want to hear and what they want to read. If there wasn't a demand for that kind of material, you wouldn't hear about it. People are by and large, addicted by design to all kinds of lovely drama. (Just look at those 'reality' shows on TV.)


Sweeping statements, like the heading of this thread, serve no purpose.

And here all along, I thought this thread was getting along just fine, heading and all... :)

But perhaps ye may wish to explore why the heading offends you so much.

I found no such offense in the title of the thread at all.

Just people sharing things here and having a good discussion. Shelve the delicate sensibilities for a spell, pull up a bench, and put your feet up. Stay a while. You might just enjoy the discussion. :)

All the best, to all.

[magamud]

Assuredly this whole earthly scenario seems very reminiscent of times before....Atlantis, Mars, maldek. Maybe this societal complex is good at getting to the point rather quickly and starting over.

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dawgbone
Robert Monroe describes human incarnations in similar terms, LB. In his first incarnation he was a woman and was brutally murdered. Between incarnations he decided to be a warrior, the next time around, to get even and to avoid the same fate. Eventually he was trapped in the excitement and confusions of human lifetimes.

It reminds me of Hollywood. Enormously talented actors, directors, writers, etc. combine their remarkable abilities to produce violent, sensational garbage. Addictive garbage.

Not that human lifetimes are entirely garbage. But to some extent they are, and in some sense I do think we are imprisoned.

experiences of being human are most precious.....only, the concept of re-incarnation is what i find tantalisingly boring ... i hope it doesn't apply to all and that we can opt out - like i planned...it's lovely, thanks very much, but not interested in doing it again...surely there are other places to go to...:happy: l



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[?uestions]

Sweeping statements, like the heading of this thread, serve no purpose.

Slow down.... :) If my experience with others who have experienced past lives was limited to those who have experienced only that, I only have that to translate and make sense of.

I have obviously been proven wrong on this and I admit that. Look at the good that is come from such a sweeping statement! Many are discussing and others sitting in awe! So if it served any purpose it was for all of us to see one of the mysteries of life in a form we can understand. First hand experience.

So I respectfully disagree. I've learned much from fellow members and if that purpose alone came from the title, I'm happy I made that mistake. :laugh: I never imagined learning so much from so many.

Kind Regards

[Wings]

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[Janos]

The irony is your statement about Arthur and Guinevere shows you have a problem with claimants of famous past lives ... which is a point I was making in my previous post.


No, this is an assumption on your part. I don't care if people claim famous past lives or not, if it's for the right reasons. Influence, power, and monetary gain are never the right reasons. Uplifting humanity is.


Some people (you know ... those folks like Bill and Kerry ... who you no doubt are alluding to above) might really be who they say they were, but this possible reality seems to really offend you and some others. Get over it. I prefer my sensibilities over this silliness.


Actually, no, I was not referring to Bill or Kerry. They aren't the first, and certainly won't be the last, to identify with these archetypes. I was just using that as a common example. And if I remember correctly neither Bill nor Kerry claimed to BE either Arthur or Gwenwhyvar, so that assumption totally goes out the window.


I have nothing to 'get over'. Yet another assumption on your part. (You really need to see about that.)


I don't make thinly veiled subtle digs. I'm as blunt as a hammer. If it was my intent to disparage someone or their claims, or whatever, there would be no doubt in anyone's mind, as it would be spelled out in plain English.


People write books for varying reasons .... one to set the record straight and it’s often cathartic .... another to inform/teach others that reincarnation is real (the more stories out there the better .... so many are still disbelieving of such things) .... and in the process some earn a living as well. Nothing wrong with this. If a little fame is gained because of this, good luck to the person. They earnt it .... and more importantly they LIVED IT. People rarely, if ever, set out to recall a PL to tell the world about it and gain fame.


My experience has shown different, but you are of course welcome to your own experience and point of view.


The title thread is a fallacy. I make no apology for saying it was a sweeping statement (whatever the intentions of the OP).


The comment that the title thread is a fallacy is merely YOUR opinion. I don't think the OP meant for it to be 'cold hard fact', nor imply that every single time anyone EVER mentioned a past life, that it was ALWAYS and WITHOUT EXCEPTION, as a king, hero, etc.


You take great umbrage with the title of this thread. No one else has to my knowledge. Is the problem with the title really a problem? Or is there a perception at work here that is perhaps making mountains out of molehills. You are also quite clearly taking umbrage with me, when I've done nothing wrong, nor have I attacked you in any way. I've merely suggested you take a look at your perceptions.



I offended no-one, but offered my views on the topic ..... on the other hand you have seized the moment to again ridicule others,


Who am I ridiculing? B&K? If that's your gripe, then I clarified that above.



...while at the same time implying the thread was getting along just fine before my post.


Are you implying that it wasn't?




.... Soooo childish.


Sayeth the one making snarky little comments, and a basketful of blanket assumptions, after complaining that the title of the thread was a blanket assumption. Might want to see to that.

[?uestions]

Point taken, esp. if you feel the discussion you have received from others here has been so informative for you .... but please don't tell me your heading was really written in ignorance. Stupid I am not.

No one said you were stupid Wings. The only person I've seen use the word stupid was....Wings! ;)

I don't know you, I explained myself the best I could, if it doesn't resonate I'm sure there are many threads where you can make great assumptions. Conspiracies are a good one. But to cheapen someone elses personal experience... Well, my only remark to that would be to spread your "Wings" a little bit. It's all good mate. We are here in good spirits.

Now back to to past lives people! Did I ever tell you of the time I found myself in Bahrain and at times I could actually understand portions of conversation! I'm not kidding. I don't speak many languages and the local Bahraini dialect is not in my repertoire but there were times when I didn't even notice I understood what was being said. (Thank goodness for translators cause I would have never known!)

[Janos]

Point taken, esp. if you feel the discussion you have received from others here has been so informative for you .... but please don't tell me your heading was really written in ignorance. Stupid I am not.

No, you are certainly not stupid Wings, nor has anyone called you such.

However, now you have crossed a line. By asserting that the heading was written in a different way than ?uestions has said it was, you are in effect calling them a liar.

So, let's not dance around this point with cute and subtle jabs and pokes, I'll just ask you bluntly: Are you calling ?uestions a liar? If not, could you please clarify what you meant exactly by "but please don't tell me your heading was really written in ignorance. Stupid I am not."

Thank You. :)

[Janos]

Slow down.... :) If my experience with others who have experienced past lives was limited to those who have experienced only that, I only have that to translate and make sense of.


I have obviously been proven wrong on this and I admit that. Look at the good that is come from such a sweeping statement! Many are discussing and others sitting in awe! So if it served any purpose it was for all of us to see one of the mysteries of life in a form we can understand. First hand experience.


So I respectfully disagree. I've learned much from fellow members and if that purpose alone came from the title, I'm happy I made that mistake. :laugh: I never imagined learning so much from so many.


Kind Regards

I think that ?uestions response was beautifully written and heartfelt. Thank You. :)


I reference a post I made earlier today, and feel it applies equally to you, ?uestions. Bravo! :)


http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?1671-They-canceled-my-membership&p=16221&viewfull=1#post16221



It truly takes an honest person, and indeed, one with integrity to admit they've been wrong about something. It's the folks who are never 'wrong' that ye have to watch out for.


I'm wrong all the time, about bunches of things. Some minor, some major. (Unfortunately when I'm wrong most of the time, it means it's *worse* than I thought it would be... but hey, that still counts, right?) ;)


But being able to say... "Oops... my bad, I was wrong, sorry..." should not be a hurdle for anyone seeking the truth of matters. It should become a common phrase that rolls off our tongues easily.


Humans learn from our mistakes. It's how we grow. Try, and try again... until we 'get' it. Like riding a bike.


Those afraid to be wrong, or afraid to fail, are those afraid to learn and grow. They wish to stay stagnate and have an air of infallibility surrounding them like some freaky aura. They quickly become legends in their own minds, and find it impossible to say they were wrong, lest they somehow lose (real or imagined) face.


Thus, I applaud you for having the ability and humbleness to post what you did, and welcome you as a kindred spirit. Bravo, Omniverse. Bravo. Welcome home. :)

Bravo, ?uestions. Bravo. Welcome home. :)

[?uestions]

Thank you Janos for the kind words. :) I don't know what else to say other than it feels good to be here amongst your presence here. All of you!

Maybe we did all live past lives in some form or another and who knows, maybe we all lived a life where we knew one another. I think that is SO neat! :D

But the coolest part for me about this thread is that I'm knowing you all now. Hopefully I'll get to remember this life and recall each one of you and how you've impacted me and how I relate to others.

Much Love to you All

[goldenyears]

But the coolest part for me about this thread is that I'm knowing you all now. Hopefully I'll get to remember this life and recall each one of you and how you've impacted me and how I relate to others.

Much Love to you All


:hug: Back at ya ?uestions1

[Warponies]

No one is disputing that someone was Heroic. Someone had to be Arthur or Guinevere. The problem is that are hundreds of people claiming to be Arthur. Or heroic or mythological. And if they don't claim it they have it imposed on them.

That was a lot of souls for Auld Arthur to be carting around.

So who gets to determine who actually was? What point is there wandering about claiming kingship if it has not taught one about their own self authority? I hear the claims but I don't ever hear anyone talk about or explore what may be learned from the heroism of who they were. The label seems to suffice.

And basically after listening to this stuff for the last 30 years, the fact is more people claim to be golden than brass. Its VERY refreshing to speak to people who are claiming authentic lives. And speculating about them in a genuine way. LIVING people walking around today do not claim authentic lives. Past Life recall if that is what they are recalling reflects authenticity of spirit.

Bombarded 360 degrees a day in a dozen different ways about how special people are and the past life thingy is just another way to worm our specialness into . . It gets really old. If I had one wish to come true is that people would realize they are special in their authenticity , and far more appealing without plastering themselves in fabled cosmetic.

Say yeah one has to question the prestige factor when there's so much more to be learned from being nobody dozens of times rather than Arthur once .

And so when people confide to me they are Moses, I have to give my authentic opinion. Not on the person's recall but who their recalling.

My personal opinion is that Moses was a dickhead.

[edina]

Now back to to past lives people! Did I ever tell you of the time I found myself in Bahrain and at times I could actually understand portions of conversation! I'm not kidding. I don't speak many languages and the local Bahraini dialect is not in my repertoire but there were times when I didn't even notice I understood what was being said. (Thank goodness for translators cause I would have never known!)

:) ?uestions, I have never had the opportunity to hear this story,... and I am most interested.

Recently, I had an experience where I seemed to piggyback with someone into Bahrain, very curious experience. Please do tell us your story.

And I would love to hear about Bahrain, as well. Interesting things seem to be happening there these days, don't you think?

[?uestions]

I stayed in Bahrain for a few months doing some work there in Manama. It's what you think it is, hot, dry, and caught between worlds. It's a very westernized "old" society. Starbucks, McDonald's and Cuban Steak Houses. There was one instance where I found myself in the middle of an anti-American protest but that's another story for another day.

I spent my time living at the Gulf Hotel near the Grand Mosque. The Grand Mosque was a gift from the Kuwaiti's for allowing them to go and party in Bahrain. This was told to me by a Kuwaiti who partied out there. He described it as a Vegas type of getaway. I asked him if the things he was partaking in were against the will of Allah and he said, "Allah cannot see across the horizon". Well Bahrain was right over the horizon since it's a small island nation. Needless to say it baffled me. :) But people prayed at their scheduled intervals, and even during a movie that I went and watched with a friend, I remember seeing a room for prayer in the theater. Heck, even cars stopped and pulled over much like they do on a military base when taps is played.

As it goes I usually found myself going to pubs at night, or the pool since there wasn't much for me to do there, but one evening on base I found myself overhearing a conversation between two military folk. The weird part was that I actually understood what they were saying. The conversation was not of much importance but when I asked my interpreter what they were saying to my surprise I found that they were saying exactly what I was thinking. I don't know really how else to explain it because I don't speak Farsi or any form of Arabic dialect. It wasn't the body language because the conversation didn't involve much hand movement and facial expressions were not crossing my mind.

It's one of those moments where I scratch my head and try to make sense of it. But I'm learning to just accept it as a cool moment in my existence.

All the Best,

[edina]

Most of any snippets I may experience of other lives going on with me, whether they be past/future/simultaneous of the soul, or genetic memory, seem to be very related to whatever I may be experiencing at that time in my life.

For example, when I moved to Colorado, I simply could not get warm. I lived off grid, down a long mud road in a metal trailor that was often colder than the cold outside, and drove an old Dodge I named Bertha.

I try to be a kind person, however, in this cold, my capacity for kindness was severely dampened.

I find I can handle most things but when I add the cold, my resiliency just drops out me.

I started having these flashes where I was a woman walking across a plain of snow. I was moving from one village to another, I seemed to be a healer, and there was an urgent need for me in the village I was travelling toward. I never made it to that village, I froze to death.

A friend who is a seer looked at my legs once, and said they were all watery frozen from the knees down.

Maybe there is a relationship to all of this, maybe there isn't, but this is often how these things flow for me.

I'm freezing to death and have no patience for it, I get bitchy very fast when I am cold, I wonder, WTF is up with me, and then flashes of memory, memory gets independently confirmed by another, then, okay,... time to meet that pattern, and move on. :tongue:

I must have frozen to death many times, I still struggle with the cold, but I am getting better at it, at least I don't get biochy anymore. (or rather not as badly) LOL

[Nymeria]

I wonder if anyone has ever taken birth as a troll?

Maybe some other mythical creature?

That would be something!
On a random off topic note.... why don't we have any caveman ghosts running about for Ghosthunters? The all seem to be civil war era? It's always bugged me for some reason.

back on topic: I don't have any past life memories, I would love to get some insight there :)

[Icecold]

Warponies:

The druids had a means of plotting a way to work the spirit into a bloodline, for less nefarious reasons, than the way we are told the PTB do. Set a trajectory so a spiritual bloodline (as they referred to it) would intersect with a physical one. Its a means of heading off events in the future, as they were perceived in the present. The druids had a lot of understanding about DNA perhaps not expressed in scientific terms but it does substantiate that spiritual matter and dna matter are closely related.

This is really interesting. This sent me on a data hunt and led me to a very interesting book. Cheers. :)

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Something I was thinking about during a discussion with a good friend. We got onto the discussion of reincarnation.

During the discussion we shared a laugh on how people always seem to think they were the following in a past life:

1. A King or Queen (Pharaohs)
2. Some sort deity (Ra, Ramtha, Jesus)
3. War Heroes

I notice I have met very few paupers, peasants and floor cleaners. But I have met a few Joan of Arc. Anyone else notice this? I know we desire to be great, but how come people can only "remember" those lives and not the others?

?uestions

Maybe they were all of the above :)

You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that?s when you met me.
?What? what happened?? You asked. ?Where am I??
?You died,? I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
?There was a? a truck and it was skidding??
?Yup,? I said.
?I? I died??
?Yup. But don?t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,? I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. ?What is this place?? You asked. ?Is this the afterlife??
?More or less,? I said.
?Are you god?? You asked.
?Yup,? I replied. ?I?m God.?
?My kids? my wife,? you said.
?What about them??
?Will they be all right??
?That?s what I like to see,? I said. ?You just died and your main concern is for your family. That?s good stuff right there.?
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn?t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
?Don?t worry,? I said. ?They?ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn?t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it?s any consolation, she?ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.?
?Oh,? you said. ?So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something??
?Neither,? I said. ?You?ll be reincarnated.?

Ah,? you said. ?So the Hindus were right,?
?All religions are right in their own way,? I said. ?Walk with me.?
You followed along as we strode through the void. ?Where are we going??
?Nowhere in particular,? I said. ?It?s just nice to walk while we talk.?
?So what?s the point, then?? You asked. ?When I get reborn, I?ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won?t matter.?
?Not so!? I said. ?You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don?t remember them right now.?
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. ?Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It?s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it?s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you?ve gained all the experiences it had.
?You?ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven?t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you?d start remembering everything. But there?s no point to doing that between each life.?
?How many times have I been reincarnated, then??
?Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.? I said. ?This time around, you?ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.?
?Wait, what?? You stammered. ?You?re sending me back in time??
?Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.?
?Where you come from?? You said.
?Oh sure,? I explained ?I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you?ll want to know what it?s like there, but honestly you wouldn?t understand.?
?Oh,? you said, a little let down. ?But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.?
?Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don?t even know it?s happening.?
?So what?s the point of it all??
?Seriously?? I asked. ?Seriously? You?re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn?t that a little stereotypical??
?Well it?s a reasonable question,? you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. ?The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.?
?You mean mankind? You want us to mature??
?No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.?
?Just me? What about everyone else??
?There is no one else,? I said. ?In this universe, there?s just you and me.?
You stared blankly at me. ?But all the people on earth??
?All you. Different incarnations of you.?
?Wait. I?m everyone!??
?Now you?re getting it,? I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
?I?m every human being who ever lived??
?Or who will ever live, yes.?
?I?m Abraham Lincoln??
?And you?re John Wilkes Booth, too,? I added.
?I?m Hitler?? You said, appalled.
?And you?re the millions he killed.?
?I?m Jesus??
?And you?re everyone who followed him.?
You fell silent.
?Every time you victimized someone,? I said, ?you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you?ve done, you?ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.?
You thought for a long time.
?Why?? You asked me. ?Why do all this??
?Because someday, you will become like me. Because that?s what you are. You?re one of my kind. You?re my child.?
?Whoa,? you said, incredulous. ?You mean I?m a god??
?No. Not yet. You?re a fetus. You?re still growing. Once you?ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.?
?So the whole universe,? you said, ?it?s just??
?An egg.? I answered. ?Now it?s time for you to move on to your next life.?
And I sent you on your way



Source; Andy Weir
The Egg

[?uestions]

?uestion. Has anyone ever heard of the condition that affects people who visit foreign lands where the person adopts the local accent? I wonder why that is. I think this is it.

"Foreign accent syndrome (FAS) is a rare and acquired speech disorder. In many cases, it is caused by a stroke. Damage to the brain affects the rhythm and melody of speech. If you have FAS, you adopt what sounds like a foreign accent, even though you may never have traveled to that particular country. " This is one explanation
http://www.doctorsofusc.com/condition/document/445940

"After visiting a local chiropractor, Romberg soon began speaking gibberish.When she began speaking normally again, she had a German accent, tinged with what some friends thought was vaguely French or Russian. This strange accent was coming from an American woman who had never studied a foreign language, nor been to any foreign country, except Canada."
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2008/11/05/4380046-brain-injury-gives-woman-a-foreign-accent

"Since waking up from her 24 hourcoma however, she has been unable to speak Croatian, but is able to communicate perfectly in German. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/croatia/7583971/Croatian-teenager-wakes-from-coma-speaking-fluent-German.html

[Warponies]

Weird stuff. Especially the chiropractor thingy. A four year old that used to live next door to me had Autism, severely. His parents took him to a chiro for unrelated reasons, he was adjusted, and no longer had Autism.. Ever again, never ever.

I have an uncle that speaks perfect French in his sleep but not a word of it when awake so that's gotta be coded in us some where DNA or subconscious and certain events cause it to burp up or activate.




?uestion. Has anyone ever heard of the condition that affects people who visit foreign lands where the person adopts the local accent? I wonder why that is. I think this is it.

"Foreign accent syndrome (FAS) is a rare and acquired speech disorder. In many cases, it is caused by a stroke. Damage to the brain affects the rhythm and melody of speech. If you have FAS, you adopt what sounds like a foreign accent, even though you may never have traveled to that particular country. " This is one explanation
http://www.doctorsofusc.com/condition/document/445940

"After visiting a local chiropractor, Romberg soon began speaking gibberish.When she began speaking normally again, she had a German accent, tinged with what some friends thought was vaguely French or Russian. This strange accent was coming from an American woman who had never studied a foreign language, nor been to any foreign country, except Canada."
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2008/11/05/4380046-brain-injury-gives-woman-a-foreign-accent

"Since waking up from her 24 hourcoma however, she has been unable to speak Croatian, but is able to communicate perfectly in German. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/croatia/7583971/Croatian-teenager-wakes-from-coma-speaking-fluent-German.html

[goldenyears]

On a random off topic note.... why don't we have any caveman ghosts running about for Ghosthunters? The all seem to be civil war era? It's always bugged me for some reason.



Nymeria,
Ive thought a lot about that too. One theory that I came up with...because personally with me, Ive only come across human entities as far back as the Revolutionary War, here on the East Coast... is that a lot of structures and battlefields have been preserved as they were in that time period, so nothing seems to have changed for them.