Oneness: Is it what you want?

[Aldous]

Oneness: Is it for all of us?

Oneness. The notion that we are all one. This is something I have been thinking about a lot as of recently. What if we are all one being scattered about the face of our beautiful mother experiencing a different perspective like a creature with 7 billion eyes. What if our reality only needs some tweaking before we reemerge as a single entity. It's an interesting notion to say the least and it raises some significant questions, such as; would anyone want that? I don't and allow me to explain my reasoning. Let me add before diving in here that these are my own personal opinions imbedded with my own philosophy and theory; I state nothing as fact only interpretation.

First off I don't think that we are one being, not anymore at least. A while back I posed a question to myself around the time I first woke up. What if every living thing on this planet was suddenly thrust into a meditative state? All our thoughts, emotions opinions pushed aside as our body lie completely still. We would just be pure awareness; pure consciousness. The only prevailing thing would be the one thing we all seem to have in common. Would this not make us all one being? Maybe it would but one would surmise that that gathering wouldn't be in this density because in a third density reality we are separated by the barriers of our physical casings. Therefore you would think that this gathering would take place somewhere else, in a higher density. This is of course one possibility. This thinking is originally what, for me, proved there was more to life then this three dimensional reality we experience on a day to day basis.

This line of thinking leads one to think the consciousness/awareness at our core must be part of the same thing or at least once was. There had to at lease be an original spark IMHO. Something that spread out into the abundance of consciousness scattered about our universe. A first to come to the conclusion, as Ren? Descartes put it, "I think, therefore I am". It would seem that this same 'thing' would be the end of the road. For if we are to go on to be one being in the next reality, would this not continue in realities after that until we were all rejoined with the source? This may be what some people call the source consciousness. Perhaps rejoining with this source is what some people who have come back from the dead have mistaken as Heaven. They describe a feeling of being at peace, a feeling of love and joy. Perhaps this is part of why some of us are so miserable being here now. We miss being back with the source for we have never felt safer and more at home.

Perhaps there is no source. It doesn't matter either way; to me there are two possibilities. Either there is a source still out there and we are part of it or there is no source out there and we ARE IT but scattered. With either of these being true the beginning result and end result of our own spark would appear to be the same. Now I'm not saying that ascending into a higher dimension means 100% that we will become 'one again', I'm saying it's possible and that's the point. That it could be but is not for sure. I mean, anything that is the same can be put back together. Imagine if you were to drain a pool into several barrels. They came from the same place and could easily go back to the same place but at least for the moment they stand in their own unique worlds. The main difference between us and these barrels however is our free will. Our ability to make decisions, although yes sometimes things can be widely out of our control.

The way I look at it we've been given a unique opportunity. For although we may have started in the same place and are forever connected by a 'spark', we are our own, as Aldous Huxley put it, 'Island universes'. We are here separated. We have gone from 'one' to brothers and sisters. Although we have been one we are not now, we are not here, and we have all had our own experiences. How different the lives of people are. We really are are own 'Island universes'.

Imagine putting two naked humans in a room. No Tattoo's, piercings or identifying marks and they are the same sex, even somewhat look alike. One is a an IRS agent the other a spiritual medium who has even astral projected. Although they look the same and are connected, on the inside they live in completely different worlds. They have experienced completely different things that would be very difficult to relay to one another. Even if you take two people who are a lot a like you still have the same results. For although you may be like me, you may know were I'm coming from, you'll never know the experience or different thoughts that went through my head as I write this now. It's my experience and it makes me different from you, whoever you maybe reading this now.

We have had the opportunity to have our experiences as conscious beings and because of those experiences we are the wonderfully unique creatures that we are today. With this in mind would you want to go back to being one consciousness again? For me the answer is still no. I think about it like having parents. The Earth and the Source; mum and pop. We are created, given life and nurtured by them but there comes a time when we go off and lead our own lives. I will never forget the source or mother Earth (like ma and pa) but I want to someday go out to the Universe and explore it while experiencing everything I can grasp, maybe even some things I cannot. Without that, without continuing to have these experiences and grow into my own evolved being, whats the point?

Even with deciding to be independent, with deciding you want to continue being you and only you, one must realize how important it is to realize that we ARE connected and at our core we ARE the same. Knowing this gives us the unique ability to put ourselves in 'other peoples shoes'; it gives us the ability to feel empathy. At our core we know what is right and what is wrong in regards to our behavior towards others because an evolved being will ask itself 'Would I like it if that happened to me'? This is the key to our peaceful co-existence; knowing that although we have different skin, Ideas, philosophy's, at our very core we are all exactly the same and we should always have that in mind when observing another.

Maybe someday I'll get bored of it and I'll change my mind. I'll want to go back to were I came from, experience only peace and love right back at the source. What I know for certain is it won't be anytime soon. I want to be me. I want to experience the Universe; other people; other realities; other cultures; other species; but I want to do it as me. I want to evolve and experience this rare opportunity we have been given but I only want to be myself. I am not you, the reader. I am not the sunday school teacher or the prisoner on death row. I am myself and although we are the same deep down, through our experience's we have evolved into these 'Island Universes' and for me I plan on keeping it that way.

I need to state again that these are my own ideas and opinions strictly relating to the ideal that we are all 'One' in the most literal sense of that statement. I know that there are people who see a different feature for themselves, even a different past, then what I see and want for myself. I hope these people aren't irked or aggravated by this essay that I have taken the time to write. As I said it's something I have taken a lot of time to ponder upon lately and I greatly anticipate hearing other peoples thoughts and opinions. Any feedback is welcomed and would be very appreciated.

A Philosophical essay on becoming one consciousness, By: Aldous

[Chicodoodoo]

The concept of oneness comes from what we share in common. We share the same matter that is constantly recycled. We share similar organization with all known life forms based on common biochemical reactions and structures. Within our species, we share so much that it is hard to believe that we could each be unique individuals, and yet that is indeed the case. Oneness does not imply sameness, nor does it imply that individuals are not autonomous.

The concept of uniqueness comes from our differences. Even if we were all physically identical, we would still be unique because of the variety and sequence of our experiences. Additional uniqueness comes from every individual's unique genetic makeup.

We are one, and we are separate. We are family, and we are alone.

To be something greater than the sum of the parts, we must be organized. We cannot organize until we unite with the common goal of organizing. It is the next stage of our evolution, seemingly hovering there right in front of our noses, just out of reach.

I wonder if we will ever clear that next evolutionary hurdle.

[Aldous]

The concept of oneness comes from what we share in common. We share the same matter that is constantly recycled. We share similar organization with all known life forms based on common biochemical reactions and structures. Within our species, we share so much that it is hard to believe that we could each be unique individuals, and yet that is indeed the case. Oneness does not imply sameness, nor does it imply that individuals are not autonomous.

The concept of uniqueness comes from our differences. Even if we were all physically identical, we would still be unique because of the variety and sequence of our experiences. Additional uniqueness comes from every individual's unique genetic makeup.

We are one, and we are separate. We are family, and we are alone.

To be something greater than the sum of the parts, we must be organized. We cannot organize until we unite with the common goal of organizing. It is the next stage of our evolution, seemingly hovering there right in front of our noses, just out of reach.

I wonder if we will ever clear that next evolutionary hurdle.

I do understand what your saying and I in part agree with it. It's like snowflakes. You would be hard to come by two that are identical in their appearance and structure but there all made up of the same material. These things make us all alike but I still believe oneness relates to the only thing that is exactly the same in everyone of us; our consciousness; it's the driver that matters of course, not the car.

I still believe that our experience's are what makes us unique and of course our differences are part of that. A boy raised in China and a boy raised in America will most likely grow up with completely different experiences so yes, they are bound to have there differences. It's all relative.


Thanks for your input though Chico. It's the reason I started this thread. Their is no set definition of oneness. There is no set definition in regards to anything, there is only our interpretations; what we can make sense of gazing through our filters. Therefore every perspective is valid and I respect yours.

Of course as I stated, my essay is dedicated to the most literal surmised outcome of oneness. Our 'sparks' rejoining; the barrels being dumped back into the pool. It's not what I want. That being said I completely agree with becoming organized. That is part of why I talked about how important it is to realize we are the same at our core. We need to overcome our differences and be able to see the likeness in each other so we can come and work together to overcome our many issues.

How this will happen remains a mystery to me and can only be speculated. In my opinion there would have to be a catalyst of great proportions to make the mass's overcome our differences and 'organize' as you put it. What that catalyst would be is any ones guess, however educated it may be.

Cheers,

Aldous

[Limited Edition]

Imo, oneness is unity in diversity recognizing our connection to one source expressing itself in infinite ways. Pouring all the drops back into the pool for me would imply zero-ness...a different thesis.

[Myst]

Of course as I stated, my essay is dedicated to the most literal surmised outcome of oneness. Our 'sparks' rejoining; the barrels being dumped back into the pool. It's not what I want.

I think your feeling reflects the mood of the Source, so no need to be concerned. I read somewhere an explanation of creation, an attempt to describe a state beyond our comprehension in terms we could relate to. What preceded creation was a state of interminable agony in which there was no means of expression, no possibility of relationship. Had the solution not been found, we would now be the dreams of an insane God. I think Einstein sensed this when he said: "“What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world.”

Creation is something to be appreciated, a gift to be enjoyed. Yet, nothing has changed in essence. Oneness is not something that stopped at some point, to be resumed at some future time. It is an awareness of the true nature of reality, which we can focus on or choose to ignore. Our focus determines our experience, and there are unlimited experiences available to us, including the experience of apparent separation, for what that's worth. Whatever the appeal of the illusion of separation, at some point it becomes painful if taken too far; all the more painful if we fear the alternative. But the alternative need not be a loss of individuality or freedom to express that individuality. It is possible to soften our fixation on separation (ego-based identity), so as to become more fluid in consciousness. We can become adept at shifting back and forth between the wave (non-localized) and particle (localized) aspects of consciousness so as to enjoy the benefits of both and have a richer, more pleasurable experience.

One day as a child I was playing in the snow and decided to see what would happen if I squeezed some snow in my hand. After some time, I noticed the snow became smaller and harder, and my hand colder. Some of the snow changed to water and was dripping off my hand, while the remaining snow in my palm turned to ice. My child's mind reasoned that if I kept squeezing the ice it would eventually melt and the pain would stop, so I squeezed even harder. The pain became so great that I ran to my mother crying for help. She pried my hand open and a small icicle dropped out. After a while the pain stopped and warmth returned. I went to play in the snow again, a little wiser.

The ego is a lens for viewing reality from a perspective of separation. If we become too attached to this view, it can become very painful. A dose of Oneness is the cure, and all that is required is a little detachment, a breaking of the fixation. Sometimes we need help with that, because by nature we are fascinated with (our) creation and can easily become transfixed as by a compelling novel, movie, or video game. "Fascinated" has the same root as "fastened" or "attached".

[Anchor]

Fellow simultaneous-self Aldous,

Thanks for this post. I printed it out, read it, made notes over lunch, thought about it, slept, thought about it some more and now I think I would like to respond. Likewise, the views I offer are my views and are not stated as fact.

Oneness is a perspective.

The degree of oneness that one perceives, changes based on your viewpoint.

In our incarnated experience, we are veiled from a complete experience of oneness except under a close approach through certain carefully constructed conditions (for example deep meditation).

Do you not find times and states of consciousness where you feel intensely individual, and at other times where you feel at one with many people - perhaps when engaged in common and focussed purpose? If you do, then this is what I am talking about.

It is essential that we are not completely one, for the individuality we express is precisely a function of the one infinite thought that is the infinite entirety of creation.

I like your reference to Descartes: I think therefore I am.

A friend and I played with this for a while and came up with some variants: I thought therefore I was - and - I am therefore I think !


For although we may have started in the same place and are forever connected by a 'spark'
So I can follow your thinking better - please elaborate on this concept of a spark. Where is that spark? What is it?


Even with deciding to be independent, with deciding you want to continue being you and only you, one must realize how important it is to realize that we ARE connected and at our core we ARE the same.

I agree.

In the opening paragraph, you referred to 7 bn individuals, but think of all the planets, suns, solar systems, galaxies....

Among our infinite forms of expression, in this third density we cluster into broadly similar categories so that we are similar enough to each other that it becomes easier for us to make the fundamental connections and discover the commonalities amongst us. These similarities form the groups of which we are members of many (race, nationality etc).

We are connected, and we are given every opportunity to realise it, but for it to make any sense at all we have to be individuals.

Thankyou for one of the most stimulating posts I have seen in a long while.

I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells - when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, we are One.

John..

[Greybeard]

I listened to a Nassim Haramein video recently and he maintains that the totality is inherent in every atom ie within us too. (holographic)
Those in enlightened state say, it, oneness, is beyond the mind to understand-- it can only be experienced

Chris

[simgaz]

You have complete freedom to be the self for as long as you wish, time is unimportant. Experience as many lives and lessons that you find of interest.

For some, to be apart, is painful. But in being one, you still are you, but will still be all.

A person can be in a room full of others and still be alone or a person can be alone, but still feel the connection to all.

I have posted this before, and apologies to any who have already read it, but for me it speaks a great deal on this subject:

If God knows everything there is to know,
Then I ask: how can God learn or grow?
If you knew all that was and all that will be,
Then how can any decision you make be free?
If you were everything and everything was you,
Then there would be nothing for you to do;

And there we find God, in this very position,
Imprisoned by the power of his own condition,
But there is a way to escape from this net,
All that God would have to do is forget,
Forget what He was and in ignorance find
Choice and free will, from confusion of mind;

And so God created a plane of limitation,
That confusing place we call creation,
A place of ignorance where we're free to choose,
Free to make mistakes and free to lose;

For only a being who knows not what is true
Has the free will to choose what to do;
Through us God can live, think, feel and see,
And experience He knew, but now He can be;

Yet though we've forgotten where we come from,
The closer we get, the happier we become,
With control of awareness you can return,
But you have less choice the more you learn;

Each mortal longs for the infinite touch,
Yet the infinite longs to know not so much;


love and respect
gary

[abberline]

The concept of oneness comes from what we share in common. We share the same matter that is constantly recycled. We share similar organization with all known life forms based on common biochemical reactions and structures. Within our species, we share so much that it is hard to believe that we could each be unique individuals, and yet that is indeed the case. Oneness does not imply sameness, nor does it imply that individuals are not autonomous.

The concept of uniqueness comes from our differences. Even if we were all physically identical, we would still be unique because of the variety and sequence of our experiences. Additional uniqueness comes from every individual's unique genetic makeup.

We are one, and we are separate. We are family, and we are alone.

To be something greater than the sum of the parts, we must be organized. We cannot organize until we unite with the common goal of organizing. It is the next stage of our evolution, seemingly hovering there right in front of our noses, just out of reach.

I wonder if we will ever clear that next evolutionary hurdle.

heres an example of oneness-
Exactly the way i feel , thanks for posting Chico :cheers:

[Aldous]

Fellow simultaneous-self Aldous,

Thanks for this post. I printed it out, read it, made notes over lunch, thought about it, slept, thought about it some more and now I think I would like to respond. Likewise, the views I offer are my views and are not stated as fact.

Oneness is a perspective.

The degree of oneness that one perceives, changes based on your viewpoint.

In our incarnated experience, we are veiled from a complete experience of oneness except under a close approach through certain carefully constructed conditions (for example deep meditation).

Do you not find times and states of consciousness where you feel intensely individual, and at other times where you feel at one with many people - perhaps when engaged in common and focussed purpose? If you do, then this is what I am talking about.

It is essential that we are not completely one, for the individuality we express is precisely a function of the one infinite thought that is the infinite entirety of creation.

I like your reference to Descartes: I think therefore I am.

A friend and I played with this for a while and came up with some variants: I thought therefore I was - and - I am therefore I think !


So I can follow your thinking better - please elaborate on this concept of a spark. Where is that spark? What is it?



I agree.

In the opening paragraph, you referred to 7 bn individuals, but think of all the planets, suns, solar systems, galaxies....

Among our infinite forms of expression, in this third density we cluster into broadly similar categories so that we are similar enough to each other that it becomes easier for us to make the fundamental connections and discover the commonalities amongst us. These similarities form the groups of which we are members of many (race, nationality etc).

We are connected, and we are given every opportunity to realise it, but for it to make any sense at all we have to be individuals.

Thankyou for one of the most stimulating posts I have seen in a long while.

I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells - when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, we are One.

John..

Hey Anchor thank you for the post I enjoyed it very much and I'm glad you enjoyed mine. To answer a couple of questions, yes there are times when I feel intensely individual and others were I feel intensely connected. 99% of the time I feel like myself but when I meditated and actually succeed in stilling my body and thought process then at that point I feel very connected to the world around me.

To answer your other question, when I say the word 'spark', I'm referring to our consciousness/ awareness; the driver in the car. Its the thing that we all have in common; the thing that connects us all. It to me represents 'oneness' :).

Cheers,

Aldous