Back-off Irene! (Don't be mean Irene!) [Archive]

Modwiz

28th August 2011, 23:24

I think we witnessed a battle of sorts with Irene. There are more empowered/awakened people these days who are aware of our contributions to weather and other actions on Gaia and we did what we do and had a profound influence on making the storm more subdued.

Well, the scum that rises to the top of pyramid society were already salivating at the thought of sales generated from the fear and panic big storms engender. When the actual facts of a weakening storm (thanks to us?)were perceived by the public they relaxed and did not panic buy. This then caused the media, in concert with corporate weather stations, to fabricate a storm greater than was truly the case. They got Governors to issue states of emergency and then, the people went out and panic shopped. The bounty was reaped despite the storm being primarily a tropical one instead of the hurricane they claimed until this morning here on the east coast of the USA.

The results of this battle are interesting. We achieved our goals. They managed to get most of theirs. Considering we did not need to do much more than 'think/feel' a certain way. Some of us did a little ritual I am sure, no biggy there.

So who won? How about, we are beginning to win.

Anchor

28th August 2011, 23:36

Did we win or loose in that moment? Does it matter - when the moment has past?

The best outcome is when each of us followed our hearts and made our choices in the moments that we made them - and that we did what we thought was right.

flower

28th August 2011, 23:37

Right action is not about winning or loosing, imo... it is about balance

Anchor

28th August 2011, 23:38

Who can judge the balance? Who can see the scales?

Frank Samuel

29th August 2011, 05:49

Well Anchor I second the motion thanks for this thread. Irene down my way is gone from my experience the power of intent is a shield if you will which to say the very least creates miracles for lack of a better word. We are getting bombarded by the weather wars and the awful side effects on the human psyche and conscious. Puerto Rico has been a HAARP lab rat experiment for many years, the good news more and more people are awakening and creating the power of intent to engulf this planet with a shield of beauty, love and compassion, we are a lot more powerful than we give ourselves credit for.

andywight

29th August 2011, 06:29

The weather system known as hurricane irene has abated and causes minimum damage

Not if you live in the Bahamas, the eye went right over the top of where I live as a cat 3!

Please people, hurricanes are natural yearly occurrences!

Anchor

29th August 2011, 06:42

Not if you live in the Bahamas, the eye went right over the top of where I live as a cat 3!

Please people, hurricanes are natural yearly occurrences!

I am truly glad you are OK.

A few points - and this isnt a win/loose debate...

You didn't have the mass mainstream media trying instilling fear in you did you?
You didn't have pillocks like Michael Bloomberg evacuating you and shutting down critical infrastructure?
You didn't have Obama talking utter sh*te about a "historic" storm?

As you say, you are well used to it. New York wasn't and that fact was exploited.

All the media is doing now is trying to make it look like they were correct all along - and thats funny because they were not, not at all.

Luke

29th August 2011, 06:44

Not if you live in the Bahamas, the eye went right over the top of where I live as a cat 3!

Please people, hurricanes are natural yearly occurrences!

Yes. The real difference is how much of them gets reported. And with what spin.

Never let a good crisis go to waste, no?

andywight

29th August 2011, 13:36

I am truly glad you are OK.

A few points - and this isnt a win/loose debate...

You didn't have the mass mainstream media trying instilling fear in you did you?
You didn't have pillocks like Michael Bloomberg evacuating you and shutting down critical infrastructure?
You didn't have Obama talking utter sh*te about a "historic" storm?

As you say, you are well used to it. New York wasn't and that fact was exploited.

All the media is doing now is trying to make it look like they were correct all along - and thats funny because they were not, not at all.

Thank you for your concern Anchor, but I find the rest of this post a shade patronizing!

I believe you live in Australia and by using your own logic you also didn't "have the mass mainstream media trying instilling fear in you did you?", "You didn't have pillocks like Michael Bloomberg evacuating you and shutting down critical infrastructure?" and "You didn't have Obama talking utter sh*te about a "historic" storm?".

Your thread brings to mind of an old IRA joke I know, I wont subject everyone here with the full version so here is a brief summary/punch line:

A British army Landrover chasing IRA suspects at high speed loses control, is forced off the road! Hits a tree killing all occupants!
The next day the IRA call the local news paper and made the claim "That they planted the tree! which killed the occupants of the Landrover"

:banana:

reaver

29th August 2011, 16:24

Oh what the hell, my assholeness has to go out....

Next I want to see your intent stop a third world war or stop a financial collapse, do you guys seriously think that your positive thoughts affected the strenght of the hurricane?, all of a sudden it seemed that we got a new age ship passing by and some boarded it.... As far as I know, things like that don't work just because you have pretty thoughts, it takes more than that... I bet any practicing magician with a decent degree of success would laugh at this thing about the law of attraction... how many people on this planet wish for a peaceful planet, a better life... I?d said billions and well... do you see any improvement just because people desire peace?.

Politicians and the media selling fear and panic, yeah well what did you expect?? that's their job, it should be obvious even to the average Joe by now, hell at the very least the part about politicians should be... and well if NYC has never or hasn't experienced a hurricane in a long time is not a surprise that people would get at least a bit anxious, and mataining people in fear when it comes to hurricanes is very hard IMO since they are somewhat predictable when it comes to their direction and strenght.

The way I understand it, in magick trying to deal with the forces of nature before you can even warm your own hands by pure intent/will is madness... like attemping to compose a symphony when you barely took your first musical instrument...

Maybe someone can prove me wrong, as I said, my assholeness just couldn't resit

A British army Landrover chasing IRA suspects at high speed loses control, is forced off the road! Hits a tree killing all occupants!
The next day the IRA call the local news paper and made the claim "That they planted the tree! which killed the occupants of the Landrover"

Yeah, it kinda sounds like it.

flower

29th August 2011, 16:27

Hey...asshole... heres my view ;)

Believing... visualizing positive outcomes is Right action..

Right action leads to positive living..

Having negative thoughts amplified by useless fear mongering media groupies is Wrong action..

Wrong action lead sto negative living...

Choice doesnt seem to ❤❤❤❤ing hard now does it ;)

Oh by the way... always a pleasure to respond to positive assholes...hehe

Dex

29th August 2011, 18:06

Bachmann: Irene is God's message for Washington. The Tea Party favorite says earthquake, hurricane sent because people are not heard (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44313712/ns/politics/)

Krystic

29th August 2011, 19:32

goodnight irene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBSv8Y-Gm-8&feature=youtu.be

Frank Samuel

29th August 2011, 21:40

Tragedies specially the kind of so called ,"natural disasters", can destroy and create havoc.
Irene left many people homeless here in Puerto Rico, including many of my family members, but the people remain hopeful and strong amidts the tragedy, get up rebuild and start again that's the only way to live . Lets face it many more tragedies of this nature are yet to come , no matter what happens we can never give up, feeling sorry for ourselves will never solved a dam thing.

With that in mind my prayers are with the victims of this Hurricane may the have the strengh of heart to move forward and rebuild their lives.

Anchor

29th August 2011, 23:53

Oh what the hell, my assholeness has to go out....

I don't see assholeness. I appreciate that you can say this stuff and not hold back.

What makes you think I would post a thread like this on this forum and not expect a contrary view?

Don't worry about it.

You don't have to do anything I say - so its all cool.

Next I want to see your intent stop a third world war or stop a financial collapse

The only way you will ever get any tangible proof of this working or not is to try it for yourself.

do you guys seriously think that your positive thoughts affected the strenght of the hurricane?

Yes

, all of a sudden it seemed that we got a new age ship passing by and some boarded it.... As far as I know, things like that don't work just because you have pretty thoughts, it takes more than that...

Well throwing cliches around wont help make your point. I am not new-age anything. This is not a "new-age" function. IMHO "New-age" is about TPTB promulgated behaviours deliberately trying to create a few false avenues for people to walk down.

I bet any practicing magician with a decent degree of success would laugh at this thing about the law of attraction...

That an interesting comment. So you are prepared to entertain the concept of majick, but not the sort of thing that I have alluded to in the past on this forum? Sadly I do not know any practicing magicians, they tend not to reveal themselves.

how many people on this planet wish for a peaceful planet, a better life... I?d said billions and well... do you see any improvement just because people desire peace?.

wishing is not what I am talking about. Wishing is an empty expression of desire with no proper focus or intent. One cannot be helped unless they first act toward a goal.

Politicians and the media selling fear and panic, yeah well what did you expect?? that's their job, it should be obvious even to the average Joe by now, hell at the very least the part about politicians should be... and well if NYC has never or hasn't experienced a hurricane in a long time is not a surprise that people would get at least a bit anxious, and mataining people in fear when it comes to hurricanes is very hard IMO since they are somewhat predictable when it comes to their direction and strenght.

I expect them to act responsibly and honestly.

The way I understand it, in magick trying to deal with the forces of nature before you can even warm your own hands by pure intent/will is madness... like attemping to compose a symphony when you barely took your first musical instrument...

If you want, we can get into this. How much do you know about magick?

Why do doubt the power I assert that we each have?

Maybe someone can prove me wrong, as I said, my assholeness just couldn't resist

There is never any proof except to oneself.

You don't get help unless you ask.

Thanks for your honest post.

Anchor

30th August 2011, 00:00

Thank you for your concern Anchor, but I find the rest of this post a shade patronizing!

I believe you live in Australia and by using your own logic you also didn't "have the mass mainstream media trying instilling fear in you did you?", "You didn't have pillocks like Michael Bloomberg evacuating you and shutting down critical infrastructure?" and "You didn't have Obama talking utter sh*te about a "historic" storm?".

Sorry, I was not intending to be patronizing at all. I was trying to make the point that you guys did not have the same fears as you know what these things are about.

I was pointing out the obvious manipulation that was done in New York off the back of your post. Actually the Australian media did go a bit silly over this one, on the tail of the recent memories of Cyclone Yasi - which allegedly (and your emoticons may be extra sad to hear this, sorry...) killed a load of banana crops. Events like this are being used to allow TPTB to (attempt) to exercise their powers over people - forced evacuations etc.

reaver

30th August 2011, 01:34

@Anchor I'm not denying the possibility or should I say the fact that your intent can indeed have an impact, but the method for this particular case is what sounds exagerated.

Well throwing cliches around wont help make your point. I am not new-age anything. This is not a "new-age" function. IMHO "New-age" is about TPTB promulgated behaviours deliberately trying to create a few false avenues for people to walk down.

While you may not be preaching new age techniques, they use those terms too... "positive thinking", "intent", etc. anyway, perhaps the words may be the same, but the execution is different... the way I understand your approach is like this: visualize X chain of events on your mind and focus on that visualizations so action takes place in the outer world... and that may work to a certain extent, to a small scale in your own personal life... but to attempt that on nature?? and even if you add to your own intent the intent of others... is it enough?? so far 52 members have seen this thread and I don't think the other 50 members share your view... anyways let's assume everyone who has read this thread focuses their intent on making a hurricane weaker... it is enough??... maybe that small collective intent could heal someone, but stop nature?

wishing is not what I am talking about. Wishing is an empty expression of desire with no proper focus or intent. One cannot be helped unless they first act toward a goal.

Fair enough, I see you point.... I wonder if the people who get blown up in wars merely wish or actually have an intent... if they do have an intent, it hasn't worked very well, assuming they do have a strong intent... then why is it not working??

I expect them to act responsibly and honestly.
Are you serious?? It wouldn't surprise me to hear that from someone who in under the trance of deep ignorance... but from someone who has been for quite some time exploring the lies and the truths in this world?? it baffles me. I bet you have been exploring this alternative stuff for more than a year... if so, then why do you expect that from governments, politicians and the media? I'd say you expect way too much, some those people are not there to act in favour of anyone save their corrupted selves, those ones who truly want to help by using those systems can only provide temporary band-aids and then you have the ones who are coerced to keep the leviathan breathing... to expect responsibility and honesty from those powers is madness.

If you want, we can get into this. How much do you know about magick?

Saying how much I know about magick is hard, it would be more theory than anything else... and then it depends on what you consider magick, I don't think magick is limited to summoning beings nor working with "higher energies" whatever that is... now that I think about it would seem that this whole existence is magickcal... perhaps if a person who lived 600 years ago would see through the mass programming TPTB use he/she would call that thing sorcery... perhaps that person would consider the books by Paulo Coelho a kind of shamanism... if we consider magick to be Will or Intent causing changes in consciousness then pretty much everything is magick in motion... but alas there is little magickal thinking nowadays, quite limiting yes.

Why do doubt the power I assert that we each have?
I'm not denying it, but I think such power has to be developed, it needs to be nourished so it can expand... bit by bit... for instance, I don't think you can access the power to create galaxies all of a sudden, I think you could reach that stage, but by working to reach it.

There is never any proof except to oneself.

This is absolutely true... to some extent loool, bloody universe likes to play with my nervous system... Thanks, Anchor you got me thinking and now my nervous system seems to be rewiring itself once again... so apparently your approach is wrong to some extent and righ to some extent... mine seems to be wrong to a certain degree and true to a certain degree..... and at some point it seems that both approaches are useless lol, right now let me see if I can win the lottery by willing it :jester:

Seems that a thread about magick/intent is worthy... but I can't be bothered right now :no:

andywight

30th August 2011, 01:49

do you guys seriously think that your positive thoughts affected the strenght of the hurricane?, Yes

Anchor,

So what were "you guys" doing while Irene was devastating "us guys" in the Bahamas!

On break maybe?

flower

30th August 2011, 01:59

I was picturing a purple bubble around the Bahamas islands. Especially paradise island.. were some loved ones live (minimal damage and no one hurt)

What were you doing while it was over montreal?

reaver

30th August 2011, 02:03

So what were "you guys" doing while Irene was devastating "us guys" in the Bahamas!

On break maybe?
That one doesn't count, positive thoughts can't travel that far haaa!! yeah I couldn't resit http://www.free-emoticons.co.uk/emoticons/Banana/upsidedown.gif (http://www.smileys.me.uk/)

Frank Samuel

30th August 2011, 02:37

Just for fun the title of the thread , don't be mean Irene, sounds like a country love song. Having a sense of humor helps to make light of any situation even in the worst of life dramas.
To which I say whatever works for you to help you climb the hurdles , in times of tragedy the good thing is that people tend to bond, work together, value our lives a little more. Is refreshing to get out of our shells and just simply lend a helping hand. Is gonna take a lot of work to reconstruct all the devastation that Irene has left along the way. To which I gladly sing the country tune, don't be mean Irene, adding a little bit of salsa and reggeaton if you folks don't mind.

Good night folks is beddy bye time for this ol foggy. I do intent to add a little magick to my dreams and maybe I can wake up feeling a New maybe it will take off a few years off my age.

Anchor

30th August 2011, 04:07

... but to attempt that on nature??

You've raised some interesting points I may come back to, but I'd like to address this particular one.

I specifically said that I think that in this case nature was manipulated by those that should not have done so.

I would not presume to act against the free will of nature.

Even if I had enough faith to move a mountain, I would not do so, because the mountain is fine where it is.

and even if you add to your own intent the intent of others... is it enough?? so far 52 members have seen this thread and I don't think the other 50 members share your view... anyways let's assume everyone who has read this thread focuses their intent on making a hurricane weaker... it is enough??... maybe that small collective intent could heal someone, but stop nature?

Subject to my elaboration on acting against (aberrations of) nature, then, yes, one extra person makes a difference. Numbers matter overall, but not to me when trying stuff like this myself. Additionally the kinds of people that resonate with the idea of being able to make a difference, are precisely the kinds of people that actually make a freaking huge difference.

Speaking personally, the catalyst for my action was hearing Michael Bloomberg saying he was going to ORDER a mandatory evacuation. That got me angry as it suddenly hit me how contrived it all was, and this thread here on Nexus, and repeated on both Avalon and MOA were in response to that.

Are you serious?? It wouldn't surprise me to hear that from someone who in under the trance of deep ignorance... but from someone who has been for quite some time exploring the lies and the truths in this world?? it baffles me. I bet you have been exploring this alternative stuff for more than a year... if so, then why do you expect that from governments, politicians and the media? I'd say you expect way too much, some those people are not there to act in favour of anyone save their corrupted selves, those ones who truly want to help by using those systems can only provide temporary band-aids and then you have the ones who are coerced to keep the leviathan breathing... to expect responsibility and honesty from those powers is madness.

You win! I mis-worded that. It is what I want, not, obviously what happened. I do expect a lot of people in positions of responsibility. I know they are not stepping up to the plate in the manner WE NEED THEM TO.

Lets do the majick later, on another thread. I do have some experience in this field actually ;)

I can warm my hands by intent - LOL - and that you used that as an example had me freaked for a second there.

andywight

1st September 2011, 12:27

do you guys seriously think that your positive thoughts affected the strenght of the hurricane?,YesAnchor,

So what were "you guys" doing while Irene was devastating "us guys" in the Bahamas!

On break maybe?

Boing! Boing! Boing!

andywight

4th September 2011, 21:11

do you guys seriously think that your positive thoughts affected the strenght of the hurrican

Yes

Anchor,

I think an explanation to this amazing claim of yours is due the membership of this forum and especially to me as I was directly effected by this Hurricane.

This sat pic was taken when the eye of Irene was directly over where I live!

1951

This IR pic was taken 14 hrs latter and as you can see we were still in the "red" part of the hurricane!

1952

Anchor

4th September 2011, 22:57

why did you wait until Hurricane Irene had passed over the central Caribbean and the Bahamas before you used your psychic powers to dissipate it?

This has all been explained in this thread I think.

Speaking personally, the catalyst for my action was hearing Michael Bloomberg saying he was going to ORDER a mandatory evacuation. That got me angry as it suddenly hit me how contrived it all was, and this thread here on Nexus, and repeated on both Avalon and MOA were in response to that.

There is no rule which says you have to believe me.

You recently gave it as a reason for being disturbed enough to want to leave this forum.

I had a special few days which wasn't helped by the Ludicrous claims made by a certain bankster concerning Hurricane Irene.

I think you have totally misunderstood this thread and why I started it.

Nevertheless, I am actually glad that you didn't leave.

It may be worthwhile to explore this dissonance - there is a chance something good will come of it. If your position is immovably set such that you think that everything I have said is complete and utter deluded non-sense, then this is probably too much to hope for; on the other-hand, if there is genuine curiosity to explore this, I am up for doing some work to that end.

John..

andywight

4th September 2011, 23:42

Speaking personally, the catalyst for my action was hearing Michael Bloomberg saying he was going to ORDER a mandatory evacuation. That got me angry as it suddenly hit me how contrived it all was, and this thread here on Nexus, and repeated on both Avalon and MOA were in response to that.

Anchor,

Thanks for pointing this out for me, but unfortunately your claims now appear even more disturbing to me!

You wrote "That got me angry as it suddenly hit me how contrived it all was"

So your motivation for using your psychic powers to dissipate Hurricane Irene was "anger" at the Mayor of New York City!

What about the Hundreds of thousands of innocent people whose lives were directly affected by Irene?

Anchor

5th September 2011, 00:32

Yes, I was angry. Angry at myself as well for missing something that should have been obvious to me in the light of the preceding Earthquake. Don't worry though, I got over it quickly and did as described in this thread.

What about the Hundreds of thousands of innocent people whose lives were directly affected by Irene?

I don't have an answer for you sorry.

andywight

5th September 2011, 01:16

Chicodoodoo

5th September 2011, 03:01

The only way you will ever get any tangible proof of this working or not is to try it for yourself.

Actually, there is no tangible proof. You claim you diminished the power of a hurricane. Hurricanes strengthen and weaken naturally, whether people are intending them to or not. So how is anyone going to be able to tell that any change in a hurricane was due to you?

I can claim that I strengthened the hurricane, thus negating your influence. How could my claim be any less valid than yours?

In fact, both claims are practically worthless, unless they can be verified under controlled conditions. Unfortunately, the behavior of a hurricane is far removed from controlled conditions.

Anchor

5th September 2011, 06:33

Actually, there is no tangible proof. You claim you diminished the power of a hurricane. Hurricanes strengthen and weaken naturally, whether people are intending them to or not. So how is anyone going to be able to tell that any change in a hurricane was due to you?

I can claim that I strengthened the hurricane, thus negating your influence. How could my claim be any less valid than yours?

In fact, both claims are practically worthless, unless they can be verified under controlled conditions. Unfortunately, the behavior of a hurricane is far removed from controlled conditions.

Unfortunately you are correct. There is no proof that those acting to reduce the power of the hurricane had any effect whatsoever.

Person A cannot prove it to person B, but Person A can recommend to person B that try it for themselves and see, then if Person B sees it as Person A expected, he has proven it to himself.. even so person C is sh*t out of luck though, until they themselves try it.

The point of this thread was that a group of people, myself included, intended to do so; and thus probably did reduce the power of the hurricane. I cannot prove this statement.

Even though, hypothetically, you could intend otherwise, I know enough about you to be confident that you would not do that.

Focused intent works. I know it does, but I can't and while we are in this life, will never be able to prove it.

What I can say, is that if you start to do some intent based manifestation work in your life you will see it work. I can only tell you that this has happened to me, so that is why I speak as though it is a baseline fact.

Generally when I post threads like this, I am expressing an intent, and anyone who wants to do the same thing, by resonance and the law of attraction, magnifies the effort.

We can never know if it was effective or if other events caused the reduction in power earlier than predicted.

More often than not, I find these kinds of initiatives tend to come up with the desired results.

Still not proof :)

andywight

5th September 2011, 16:24

It may be worthwhile to explore this dissonance - there is a chance something good will come of it. If your position is immovably set such that you think that everything I have said is complete and utter deluded non-sense, then this is probably too much to hope for; on the other-hand, if there is genuine curiosity to explore this, I am up for doing some work to that end.

John..So, lets explore this dissonance.

This forum would make a great platform for this work!

Alas, no response from Anchor!

<sigh>
"Is this just PR fluff, has the original purpose of his post been perverted, or are we all here being subjected to Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP)"

Maybe I misunderstood this post? I thought Anchor was offering to work towards proving the phenomenon he claimed to be involved in?

So let explore the options here:

#1: Anchor possesses the psychic powers to dissipate category 3 hurricanes! but unfortunately not for the service of humanity but instead catalyzed from angry reactions towards certain politicians! which from my perspective indicates a real lack of empathy for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people affected by Irene, which could be indications of strong sociopathic tendency's.

#2: (paraphrased from the man himself) Everything he has said on this subject is complete and utter deluded non-sense!

#3: Is a con artist.

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Chicodoodoo

5th September 2011, 16:51

Person A cannot prove it to person B, but Person A can recommend to person B that try it for themselves and see, then if Person B sees it as Person A expected, he has proven it to himself.. even so person C is sh*t out of luck though, until they themselves try it.

You are playing fast and loose with the meanings of words here, just as you did with your usage of the word "manipulate" in the thread about the Atticus1.org con-game. Person B does not "prove" it to himself. He might convince himself enough to believe it, he might delude himself, he might rationalize it to the point of accepting it, but in no way could it be considered proof.

An idea simply does not gain truth as it gains followers.

Focused intent works. I know it does, but I can't and while we are in this life, will never be able to prove it.

Focused intent also does not work, and I can provide solid evidence that it does not work. I have a rotting plank on my house. No matter how strongly I or anyone else focuses their intent on that rotting plank, it will not repair itself. It will continue to rot until someone goes out there and physically cuts out the rotten wood and replaces it.

magamud

5th September 2011, 17:23

Anchor thanks for bringing up the subject of intention. Art bell back in the day was experimenting with this. Not sure if this is the exact link but numerous studies are abound. http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2007/06/16
Masaru Emoto work with water http://www.masaru-emoto.net/ Cant find the link but there was a bunch of meditators trying to lessen crime and violence in a city. Everything is intention and if you cant change a plank of wood you use your force to remove it with your hands. Not sure why your getting so much mud slinging, maybe its personal stuff that should be in another thread. The Heart is good at telling where the intentions are coming from...

andywight

5th September 2011, 17:44

Million Dollar Experiment

Total Manifested = $5,677,075.71
1599 Active Participants

Welcome to the home of the Million Dollar Experiment. The goal of this experiment is to attempt to use the power of intention to manifest $1 million for each person who chooses to participate. It is 100% free, and there are no costs of any kind. You can even participate anonymously. If you haven't already done so, please read the Million Dollar Experiment blog post and the Million Dollar Experiment - Version 2.0 post for the full background and details. [Read more... (http://www.stevepavlina.com/million-dollar-experiment.htm)]

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Chicodoodoo

5th September 2011, 20:23

Total Manifested = $5,677,075.71
1599 Active Participants

So we can say this manifestation of intent is working, because it has a 0.35% success rate, or we can say it doesn't work, because it has a 99.65% failure rate.

Which should we choose?

Tamara

5th September 2011, 21:01

I think anything we can IMAGINE can manifest, 'they, tbtw' THINK they can control the weather (controlling the weather by 2025, google it, I'm to lazy to do it for you, ok... a PDF for you if you want:

http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

IMO, they are wrongly mistaking ... the Earth is alive and controls/manifests her own reality... she has TOTAL control, imo. Watch, wait, and see.

It's been in the making for years, here:
http://www.space.com/1725-military-weather.html

IMO, humans will NOT win...........The Great Mystery is bigger, more powerful than any person could ever be.

Luke

5th September 2011, 21:07

Working in conscious mind does not work, and your true mind does not recognize green paper as something essential. Go figure.

Anchor

5th September 2011, 23:55

Focused intent also does not work, and I can provide solid evidence that it does not work. I have a rotting plank on my house. No matter how strongly I or anyone else focuses their intent on that rotting plank, it will not repair itself. It will continue to rot until someone goes out there and physically cuts out the rotten wood and replaces it.

Have you tried?

John..

---------- Post added at 09:55 ---------- Previous post was at 09:54 ----------

Maybe I misunderstood this post?

Yes, you did. Spectacularly.

flower

6th September 2011, 00:01

I have tried... and I know it works.

I could never say... it stops a hurricane...or cures my dog... or gets my kids to call

but...

If my focus is negative instead of positive... does it affect the world?

An angry person, in a group... does it affect the others?

If we are all thinking in fear... does it affect our world?

I might not be able to stop hurricanes but i am focusing on the best possible outcome. where is the harm in that?

Anchor

6th September 2011, 00:08

Not sure why your getting so much mud slinging...

I choose to post this stuff in a forum with a liberal spectrum of views.

I post this sort of thing on somewhere like Avalon and I get a heap of thanks but no real opportunity to debate.

This forum is great. I get challenged and pushed to explain myself as accurately as I can. Sometimes it is not enough. I'm not here to convert people. I am here to share my views and ideas, and if possible clarify.

Occasionally I get shown that I am in error. What could be more valuable than that?

I don't hate anyone here.

John..

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You are playing fast and loose with the meanings of words here, just as you did with your usage of the word "manipulate" in the thread about the Atticus1.org con-game. Person B does not "prove" it to himself. He might convince himself enough to believe it, he might delude himself, he might rationalize it to the point of accepting it, but in no way could it be considered proof.

So for it to be proof it has to be valid for everyone.

You are right. This is not possible.

What we can do is for everyone to try it (properly - and that is a hard nut for a skeptic to crack) and see for themselves, then when you get enough people saying "Hey-I tried it and it worked for me" we approach a consensus.

It still isnt proof, but it provides a stronger case for those that do not know to approach this knowledge.

Proof in this context would violate the freewill of the skeptic.

Not only can it not easily be done, it is wrong to do it.

John..

Anchor

6th September 2011, 00:13

So we can say this manifestation of intent is working, because it has a 0.35% success rate, or we can say it doesn't work, because it has a 99.65% failure rate.

Which should we choose?

This doesnt seem right to me. It was a group effort. Wanted 1m got 5m+, seems to be quite a success.

It seems to me that your perspective is based on the individual not the group.

We are part of a group - like it or not - you cannot deny this.

reaver

6th September 2011, 00:19

Wanted 1m got 5m+, seems to be quite a success.

Not quite, the goal is that EVERY SINGLE participant gets a million dollars... they are far from reaching it.

Anchor

6th September 2011, 00:26

Not quite, the goal is that EVERY SINGLE participant gets a million dollars... they are far from reaching it.

Ah, so I see.

I also think I have identified the problem they are having. The intention is worded in the wrong tense ! I will let the organizer know.

Incidentally I wont be joining in this particular effort. My needs can be met with a far smaller sum - lol

John..

reaver

6th September 2011, 00:31

My needs can be met with a far smaller sum - lol
Care to ask for a couple trillions for myself?? lol.

Anchor

6th September 2011, 00:37

Care to ask for a couple trillions for myself?? lol.

Look I know you are joking, but there is a point here.

You have to do it for yourself. That is really important.

The reason is that you are creating your reality, and you are co-creating OUR reality.

If you really do this properly you can have all the money you need.

flower

6th September 2011, 00:40

If fear...can manifest in our lives ..then so can love or positive intent..

Why is this so hard to believe?

reaver

6th September 2011, 00:52

Why is this so hard to believe?
Because the border between reality and fantasy is a bitch... sometimes reality becomes fantasy and sometimes fantasy becomes reality... sometimes both come together giving me a serious mind-fu ck... at times it would seem that I can fully control many key events in my life and break any sensation of fear... other times it feels as if I have fallen into a self-delusion... the biggest mind-fu ck is that whenever a sort of doubt and fear kicks in, I enter delusion mode and everything around seems to be going bad... oooh...

flower

6th September 2011, 00:53

Revear...

If a group of people...focus their intent on fear and or violence....

will something manifest?

reaver

6th September 2011, 01:05

If a group of people...focus their intent on fear and or violence....

will something manifest?
Yeah but there has to be a kind of inner impact into the psyche of that group... If you think about it, newspapers serve various purposes... one of them is to traumatize people and make them extremely fearful and paranoid, their world starts to shrink and one day they become fearful of going out to some park and enjoy a stroll and yes I would say that some people by some strange kind of sorcery enter into the role of abusers, criminals, muerderers, rapists. Interesting and disturbing at the same time... but also have a look into the new age people... do you see any tangible impact?? I certainly don't... so it seems that both phenomenons exist... to some extent your intent can indeed manifest something... to some extent it's just mental masturbation... there again, the fascinating and frustrating problem about the border between fantasy and reality... opposite poles of the one same thing... how do you execute one or the other... how do you combine them and play god??

flower

6th September 2011, 01:09

Well then... why not?

Why wouldnt i use focused positive intent to help my friends in the Bahamas?

Or help my dog?

If i walk into a room..filled with people projecting negative intent...it will trigger emotions raging from fear to anger..

If i walk into a room full of people projecting positive intent..........it will trigger emotions raging from compassion to bliss.

Where is the argument?

No one is saying..." Everyone focus on the hurricane and make it stop!!"...

I follow right action... serves me well.

andywight

6th September 2011, 02:15

Yes, you did. Spectacularly.

Anchor,

Can you explain it for me again?

Also! why not use this forum as a platform to try and prove/disprove this "phenomenon?"

Here's some info and a link to some experiments that have already been done in this field:

PEAR!

The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) program was established at Princeton University in 1979 by Robert G. Jahn, then Dean of the School of Engineering and Applied Science, to pursue rigorous scientific study of the interaction of human consciousness with physical devices, systems, and processes common to contemporary engineering practice. Its methods were controversial and at the end of February 2007, it closed its doors. From 1979 until its closing, interdisciplinary staff of engineers, physicists, psychologists, and humanists conducted a comprehensive agenda of experiments and attempted the development of complementary theoretical models to enable better understanding of the role of consciousness within physical reality. [Read more... (http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/)]

Chicodoodoo

6th September 2011, 02:40

So for it to be proof it has to be valid for everyone. You are right. This is not possible.

Play fair, John. That's a "straw man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)", as if I said that to be proof it has to be valid for everyone, which I did not say. There are criteria for something to be proven, but we don't even need to get into that. If a straw man argument is your best rebuttal, then I can probably assume that you privately concede my point, even if you don't do so publicly.

Anchor

6th September 2011, 04:21

Play fair, John. That's a "straw man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)", as if I said that to be proof it has to be valid for everyone, which I did not say. There are criteria for something to be proven, but we don't even need to get into that. If a straw man argument is your best rebuttal, then I can probably assume that you privately concede my point, even if you don't do so publicly.

If I become convinced that I have made a mistake, I have absolutely no problem admitting it, publicly.

I do not think it is a straw man argument because, I have, to my own personal satisfaction been able to demonstrate that intent based manifestation works. Once upon a time, when I first learned of it, it would have been. Now it isn't. For me anyway. For you maybe it is.

At this time, therefore, I concede nothing, except that this means, and with your help, the gist of what I have been saying all along, is that this is not something I can prove to you.

It is not a straw-man because a straw man argument is only a straw man until it has been tested. For me it has, for you it has not. The question remains - who among those that have no experience of intent based manifestation - will want to try it?

I concede the point that I cannot prove this to anyone. I thought I had been clear on that. I have said I cant prove it.

We have boiled this down, with Zooks help on another thread to

1) My position - which shall we say, is deemed "irrational"

2) Yours - which is shall we say, "rational".

I have proven it to myself, but I cannot prove it to you.

In order to prove it to myself I had to take a leap of faith.

From my perspective this ended up being a giant, happy, great, wonderful, freaking huge leap into a new paradigm which I have spent a few years learning and experiencing more and more about and naturally I would like to communicate withing the framework we have here something of that.

I also assert that if I can prove it to myself, then if someone else tries it they can prove it to themselves.

It requires a leap of faith. It requires the courage to leave the comfort zone of the rational and dabble for a time in a paradigm that is not supported by the rational framework that has been used to imprison us.

I sometimes think that the leap of faith is an important component in the discovery. I can't prove it to you, you should not trust me in any manner, so this means if you want to even try - you are totally on your own.

I believe I have tried my best now.

We may be at the point where we have to agree to disagree.

Chicodoodoo, I don't know if you fully appreciate the service you have done here, either-way, I am pretty sure you have done, and thanks.

John..

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Can you explain it for me again?

No point because....

Also! why not use this forum as a platform to try and prove/disprove this "phenomenon?"

I cant. I am trying to explain this to Chicodoodoo.

Here's some info and a link to some experiments that have already been done in this field:

Thanks I will read that later, (I have not read it yet).

Chicodoodoo

6th September 2011, 04:43

John, how do you propose that I, or anyone else for that matter, convince himself of the validity of your claims?

Anchor

6th September 2011, 05:19

John, how do you propose that I, or anyone else for that matter, convince himself of the validity of your claims?

By trying it themselves.

I will post some more detail on this when I have time later.

andywight

6th September 2011, 05:22

From my perspective this ended up being a giant, happy, great, wonderful, freaking huge leap into a new paradigm which I have spent a few years learning and experiencing more and more about and naturally I would like to communicate withing the framework we have here something of that.

Anchor,

If I have not, yet again, failed spectacularly in understanding your posts! are you now offering to share with us your years of learning and experience on this subject?

Anchor

6th September 2011, 06:26

Are you now offering to share with us your years of learning and experience on this subject?

Yes something like that, though I profess no particular qualification or credentials.

Furthermore, Andywight, I hereby apologize for all the harsh words and thinly veiled sarcasm I have used with you in the past. This has blotted my copy book so to speak, and I think I need to stop making it worse. It was wrong of me to allow myself to be annoyed by you, and it doesn't matter if you ever intended to annoy me or not - it was my fault and my problem - sorry. Furthermore I promise that I will no-longer single out any of your posts in an attempt to make a point - unless it is in the context of a specific thread on a forum and you are actually there to speak for yourself. I am sorry that I have done that in the past, and recently on the Atticus1 forum when you were not there to defend that action.

Notwithstanding the above apology - which is made unconditionally and done; I would prefer it if you dropped the sarcasm from your posts. I realize that I have encouraged it and I want to stop doing that . Will you reciprocate?

Obviously this is completely optional for you, but if you decide not to, then I will most likely quietly and without further explanation cease responding to you - for the good of all of us and the decorum of this forum.

Cheers

John..

andywight

6th September 2011, 14:33

Yes something like that, though I profess no particular qualification or credentials.

Furthermore, Andywight, I hereby apologize for all the harsh words and thinly veiled sarcasm I have used with you in the past. This has blotted my copy book so to speak, and I think I need to stop making it worse. It was wrong of me to allow myself to be annoyed by you, and it doesn't matter if you ever intended to annoy me or not - it was my fault and my problem - sorry. Furthermore I promise that I will no-longer single out any of your posts in an attempt to make a point - unless it is in the context of a specific thread on a forum and you are actually there to speak for yourself. I am sorry that I have done that in the past, and recently on the Atticus1 forum when you were not there to defend that action.

Notwithstanding the above apology - which is made unconditionally and done; I would prefer it if you dropped the sarcasm from your posts. I realize that I have encouraged it and I want to stop doing that . Will you reciprocate?

Obviously this is completely optional for you, but if you decide not to, then I will most likely quietly and without further explanation cease responding to you - for the good of all of us and the decorum of this forum.

Cheers

John..

Hi John,

I gracefully accept your apologizes and am glad to finally see some humility from you.

Although I do find your remark "and you are actually there to speak for yourself" a little confusing? but WTF! these days I find a lot of things confusing.

As to your question "Will you reciprocate?" I would like to quote, if you don't mind, the wise words of the great sage "Roberto" from the Jim Jarmusch movie "Down by Law".

"You trow the ball against me, I trow the ball against you, but I ham a no criminal, I ham a good egg!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHboNFi_zPU&feature=related

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