Direct democracy: what Rotshilds want

[Luke]

Direct democracy is one of the calls frequently heard in "occupy" meetings .. or so we hear.

And now, another voice joins that chorus, via HuffPost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lady-lynn-forester-de-rothschild/2012-third-party-americans-elect_b_1128640.html


The words of Irish poet William Butler Yeats in his poem, The Second Coming, have an eerie resonance for American politics today. "Things fall apart; the center cannot hold... The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand."

In an environment of unprecedented political gridlock in Washington and broad-based dissatisfaction with the leading candidates of both parties, 2012 may finally be the year when an independent candidate becomes president of the United States. For the first time in our nation's history, popular dissatisfaction with both parties is reinforced by the existence of serious bipartisan organizations that will facilitate the effort of a non-aligned national figure to become president. Because of these two factors, the opportunity to mobilize what Tom Friedman calls "the radical center" has never been greater. Indeed, "some revelation is at hand".

The extent of voter dismay in America is astounding. According to an October 2011 Pew Research poll, only 11% of us are content with the federal government. In a 1958 National Election Study, 73% of Americans said that they "always" or "mostly" trusted the government to do the right thing. In contrast, in a New York Times/CBS poll taken in late October, only 10% of those polled expressed the same faith.

With respect to the presidential options, voters are also extremely dissatisfied. According to Gallup last month, 47% of all voters and 58% of independents disapprove of President Obama overall, contrasted with only 17% disapproval in 2009. The news is not better for the Republicans, where according to a Washington Post/ABC poll taken in late October, 54% of all voters disapprove of the party. Following the failure of the debt negotiations over the summer, 66% of independent voters disapproved of the GOP.

Read the rest of the article.... (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lady-lynn-forester-de-rothschild/2012-third-party-americans-elect_b_1128640.html)

So. " Lynn Forester de Rothschild is CEO of EL Rothschild, LLC and the co-Chair of the "Better Values, Better Markets" Task Force at the Henry Jackson Society in London. " seems to like the idea of "Direct Democracy".

That alone should raise the alarm bells, but let's ignore the source, and let's focus on the message.


Or rather, a solution package, that seems to be already prepared :


The message is clear: as politicians become more partisan and less effective at governing, the electorate is ready for a radical restructure of our election system itself. Voters are refusing to be held hostage to the self-interests of either party. Thankfully, in true American fashion, our civic society has built the tools to meet the challenge; for the first time in our history, the means exist to level the electoral playing field for an independent candidate.

A not-for-profit organization, called Americans Elect is establishing ballot access in all 50 states for the candidates for president and vice president in 2012 who will be nominated directly by the people in an online nominating process. The sophisticated website of Americans Elect allows registered voters a revolutionary new way to nominate a bipartisan ticket to occupy the White House. To date, the website has over 300,000 delegates, more than 50 times the number that participate in both the Democratic and Republican Party conventions (in full disclosure, I sit on the Leadership Board for Americans Elect).

Many other bipartisan organizations have emerged over the past three years to give support and strength to any qualified independent candidate. No Labels is a political organization of Republicans, Democrats and Independents working on the grassroots level to support bipartisan and pragmatic politicians and polices. The group has 180,000 members and on December 13th is holding an open meeting at the Capital to unveil a comprehensive congressional action plan. Howard Schultz, the CEO of Starbucks, is leading a movement of business leaders and political donors to end the hyper-partisanship in Washington that could be the bedrock of financing for a viable independent, bipartisan, ticket for 2012.

Interesting, isn't it?

And for politically unsophisticated, those words are just plain sugar. Grasroots, yay!

Well, no.

Actually, what is written here, is instead of two party system, you will have one party "bipartisan" movement, of people allowed to the platform.
Then you could vote for those in the organization.

The reason is to have "technochratic" government, that will have no problems with party allegiance.

It will simply serve the masters.

People will be able to choose faces, but not policy. The platform will chose the policy.

Not that this will be actually much different from what Americans have. It simply strips the middle man out of equation. Such technocratic governments seem to be next phase of Elite plan, as seen in Greece and Italy, where non-elected technocratic governments were already installed.

Now it seems, time for U.S of A, via the liberal useful idiots, and their tube.

[Northern Boy]

So. " Lynn Forester de Rothschild is CEO of EL Rothschild, LLC and the co-Chair of the "Better Values, Better Markets" Task Force at the Henry Jackson Society in London. " seems to like the idea of "Direct Democracy".

I believe she has some thing to do with woman`s make up Estes Lauder



Now it seems, time for U.S of A, via the liberal useful idiots, and their tube

Haven`t they been doing it for years

[VajraYaya]

FYI

From the thread I started - The Real Reason for Chemtrails - http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?7476-The-REAL-reason-for-chemtrails&p=47305#post47305


weather – including consequences of violent weather, flooding and storms – are traded as derivatives on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. This investigation links weather control to chemtrail/geo-engineering programs and illustrates how governments and corporations can profit by controlling our weather and making Wall Street wagers on the deadly outcomes.

In February, 2011 E.L. Rothschild LLC, a private investment company led by Chairman Sir Evelyn de Rothschild and CEO Lynn Forester de Rothschild acquired a 70% interest in Weather Central LP - the world’s leading provider of interactive weather graphics and data services. (www.wxc.com).

[Chicodoodoo]

Sorry, the Rothschilds would never want true direct democracy. They could not control it. Instead, what they want is to tweak the existing system, which is serving them very nicely, and call it "Direct Democracy", thereby placating the rebellious rabble. They've been running variations of that theme for a long time, using the power of the United States to bring "democracy" (Newspeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak) translation: tyranny) to country after country around the globe. Now they have turned their sights on the United States itself. They are simply ratcheting up the con-game a notch, and the tyranny meter with it.

[sjkted]

Sorry, the Rothschilds would never want true direct democracy. They could not control it. Instead, what they want is to tweak the existing system, which is serving them very nicely, and call it "Direct Democracy", thereby placating the rebellious rabble. They've been running variations of that theme for a long time, using the power of the United States to bring "democracy" (Newspeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak) translation: tyranny) to country after country around the globe. Now they have turned their sights on the United States itself. They are simply ratcheting up the con-game a notch, and the tyranny meter with it.

Everything they have been doing over the past century involves centering power in fewer and fewer hands. It's much easier to control a small number of people who control a larger number of people than to try to control everyone directly. I'm not sure what direction direct democracy would take us, but I don't think it could play into their agenda unless they had some other means of manipulation such as electronic voting machines.

--sjkted

[Chicodoodoo]

I'm not sure what direction direct democracy would take us, but I don't think it could play into their agenda unless they had some other means of manipulation such as electronic voting machines.

When the ruling sociopaths approve of direct democracy, that is when you will know that they have perfected direct mind control.

[sjkted]

No you won't :-)

--sjkted

[Chicodoodoo]

No you won't :-)

Clever. I think you've got it. :laugh:

[Luke]

You are overlooking the most direct way to influence outcome of the vote.

The one used already.

It is not a matter who will people vote in, but who will be on the list of "choices".

In case you did not noticed, Frau de Rothschild wrote about a platform (American Elects), when the voting will happen. Where bipartisan politicians are presented and "right choices" decreed?

No need for outright mind control, you only label anyone outside the platform as insane, or simply ignore them, cue Ron Paul.

And you do not even need majority of people able to vote to pull that.. you only need majority of those who bothered to vote. (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?7893-Democracy-another-day-in-USA-by-Ron-Holland)

[Chicodoodoo]

It is not a matter who will people vote in, but who will be on the list of "choices".

Yes, that is fool-proof method that has been working for a long, long time. McCain or Obama -- both puppets. Bush or Gore -- both puppets. But the mind control is being pursued and perfected nonetheless, because then the control becomes even more secure. You see, the very thing the sociopaths try to sell us is what they themselves insist on -- security. Only in their case it is the security of their power and control, of their domination.

[Luke]

You see, the very thing the sociopaths try to sell us is what they themselves insist on -- security. Only in their case it is the security of their power and control, of their domination.
Two things:

(1) For elites, people are territory; just as predator marks his hunting grounds, they mark theirs.
(2) Security need come from mind of predator: all around he sees other predators, that only wait for his mistake to rip him apart; this is their reality, and they project it on us .. with great deal of success.

[Jendayi]

how come no one talks of meritocracy as viable solution to our world dilemma?
it boggles my mind that people still are looking for ways to fine tune a dead system called democracy..
for a few to be immortal (read: filthy rich) the many must die (be extremely poor and in many cases, actually die)
go see the movie "In Time" where a blatant example of "Time is money" is shared with the public at large.
quite the eye opener!
ever wonder why iceland is never reported on in the mainstream news?
here's why: http://margotbworldnews.com/WordPress/wp-content/Sept/Sept14/Iceland.html (why iceland never reaches the news)

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I'm not sure what direction direct democracy would take us, but I don't think it could play into their agenda unless they had some other means of manipulation such as electronic voting machines.

That's exactly what they will do (if they even need it) perhaps you missed this line in the OP:


in an online nominating process.

Americans Elect is establishing ballot access


Hurritt

[Chicodoodoo]

how come no one talks of meritocracy as viable solution to our world dilemma?

Meritocracy requires being able to accurately determine merit. This is nearly impossible in a population that includes a mix of largely trusting, empathetic people and a small minority of cunning deceivers that completely lack empathy.


it boggles my mind that people still are looking for ways to fine tune a dead system called democracy.

It doesn't boggle my mind because democracy is a potential solution. Democracy has never been correctly implemented. Ruling sociopaths have seen to that. The means to implement high-consensus democracy exist now, but it will never be implemented because the current so-called "democratic" systems are properly gamed to efficiently serve the ruling sociopaths by helping them maintain their grip on power.


ever wonder why iceland is never reported on in the mainstream news?
here's why: http://margotbworldnews.com/WordPress/wp-content/Sept/Sept14/Iceland.html
(why iceland never reaches the news)

Did you notice the role of democracy in their recovery?

"Contrary to what could be expected, the crisis resulted in Icelanders recovering their sovereign rights, through a process of direct participatory democracy that eventually led to a new Constitution.

To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. This document was not the work of a handful of politicians, but was written on the internet. The constituent?s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape."

[Jendayi]

there's democracy and then there's dumbocracy... off course the current establishment needs to be removed before we could move to a Meritocracy.. a small percentage of the world is authoritarian in nature, half of this group are Dictators and Oligarchs the other half are actually true leaders, however true leaders tend not to get involved in world affairs, they go their own way.. it's exactly these people who need to step up to the plate and guide humanity into a new age where all become leaders eventually.. the merit of any new leader should be judged by his/her peers who are well versed in the part of government their talents could be applied.. for instance: only a person who has been a teacher in a classroom for more than 20 years should be able to apply for a function as minister of education.. his/her application then should be judged by all teachers within the country he or she wishes to be minister of education in. i am not saying meritocracy is the final solution but in my view it is a necessary step towards the liberation of mankind. so here i pose a challenge: "thesis:" Capitalist Democracy - "anti-thesis": Meritocracy - "Synthesis":? (still working on that one myself) we really need to apply dialectic thinking here otherwise we will always remain divided and trying to protect our views an opinions. and i mean real dialectic thinking, not the Problem-reaction-solution mantra that is foisted upon us.. with the worldwide web we actually have a shot at establishing a meritocracy where everyone has a vote. and everyone can be free.. really.. study our history and what types of government we had.. a true meritocracy has only been tried once in ancient greece... they had no internet.. no fast, instant communication tools, we do have those.. time to introduce the most effective method ever used by humanity, but now in completely new areas, I am speaking of the scientific method. If it works, keep it and fine tune it, if it doesn't work, discard it.. democracy has been tried for thousands of years now.. in many different forms.. it's not working folks.. to quote Einsteins definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

[Jendayi]

Meritocracy requires being able to accurately determine merit. This is nearly impossible in a population that includes a mix of largely trusting, empathetic people and a small minority of cunning deceivers that completely lack empathy. It doesn't boggle my mind because democracy is a potential solution. Democracy has never been correctly implemented. Ruling sociopaths have seen to that. The means to implement high-consensus democracy exist now, but it will never be implemented because the current so-called "democratic" systems are properly gamed to efficiently serve the ruling sociopaths by helping them maintain their grip on power. Did you notice the role of democracy in their recovery? "Contrary to what could be expected, the crisis resulted in Icelanders recovering their sovereign rights, through a process of direct participatory democracy that eventually led to a new Constitution. To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. This document was not the work of a handful of politicians, but was written on the internet. The constituent?s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape." You can call it democracy but why where those people chosen by their peers? did they campaign for this job or where they chosen on their merits...? i would not want a baker to judge the capabilities of a car mechanic, as they are no specialist in that field (unless he has been a car mechanic for years before becoming a baker) a meritocracy would require every single human being to stand up and take responsibility for their lives... yes! isn't that what all new age gurus and channelers are saying? WE are indeed the ones we are waiting for... it's that simple.

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"direct participatory democracy" is just another way of saying "meritocracy" imho

[Chicodoodoo]

the merit of any new leader should be judged by his/her peers who are well versed in the part of government their talents could be applied.. for instance: only a person who has been a teacher in a classroom for more than 20 years should be able to apply for a function as minister of education.. his/her application then should be judged by all teachers within the country he or she wishes to be minister of education in.

Agreed. Meritocracy has a critical democratic component to it. But be careful, so does cronyism -- it just has a much more narrowly focused democracy. The high-consensus democracy I have argued for (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?5364-How-do-WE-decide) uses the broadest possible democratic base, which by design minimizes the influence sociopaths can have on the system. And as many know, I see sociopaths as the root problem behind most of our woes.

However, you are correct that we have too many apathetic followers that apparently need to be led. It will take a long time to reach "a new age where all become leaders eventually." High-consensus democracy could speed up that transition, and it will likely be the correct system when that new age becomes a reality. In the interim, a properly designed meritocracy would serve humanity well, if we can eliminate the corrupting influence of the sociopath, whose knack for infiltrating and taking over existing systems is legendary.

[Modwiz]

You can call it democracy but why where those people chosen by their peers? did they campaign for this job or where they chosen on their merits...? i would not want a baker to judge the capabilities of a car mechanic, as they are no specialist in that field (unless he has been a car mechanic for years before becoming a baker) a meritocracy would require every single human being to stand up and take responsibility for their lives... yes! isn't that what all new age gurus and channelers are saying? WE are indeed the ones we are waiting for... it's that simple.

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"direct participatory democracy" is just another way of saying "meritocracy" imho

It is really good to see you back and posting again, Jendayi. Your head and heart combination is a very welcome presence.

[Luke]

If you did not know it, the Iceland is actually longest working "democracy" on Earth .. or rather pseudo-democracy (depending on what you call norm). Althing was founded in 930AD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Althing

Then, it's population is 318,452 individuals.

Couple long standing tradition, small numbers and good inter-human communication, and generally individualistic attitude (hostility towards social parasites), and you might get working thing.
Then remember that even such community was not fool-proof, if such brazen scheme as IceBank happen (people started paying attention only AFTER thing blown in their faces, no one protested when banking boom gave an impression of prosperity)

As for "meritocracy", that is loaded term. If one uses it, one should explain precisely what is means: are we talking real merit, as in real life proves, or some Elite-driven, academia-approved scheme, that is really nothing else that currently installed "technocratic" governments, owned by usual suspects.

[Jendayi]

As for "meritocracy", that is loaded term. If one uses it, one should explain precisely what is means: are we talking real merit, as in real life proves, or some Elite-driven, academia-approved scheme, that is really nothing else that currently installed "technocratic" governments, owned by usual suspects.
here you go: http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?7927-Meritocracy-Explained-the-vision-of-Wes-Penre.

[Chicodoodoo]

As for "meritocracy", that is loaded term. If one uses it, one should explain precisely what is means

Yes, good point. The devil is in the details. The same goes for "democracy", but few realize it.