GFL Messages and discussion

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

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6 Imix, 14 Mol, 8 Manik

Dratzo! We return! The process that began in earnest nine months ago continues to progress toward its inevitable resolution, and our Earth allies are close to obtaining the final funding orders for Count St. Germaine's World Trust.

As you know, the fund closes annually on Christmas Eve (December 24th) and reopens the day after Christmas (December 26th), unless this date falls on a Sunday. So this year, the fund opens the next day!

Europe's Earth allies are ecstatic that the preliminary approvals to go forward have been issued. The next step involves obtaining the actual funding certificate. Once this is gained, the trustees can sign off on it and those responsible for the disbursement can begin their detailed procedures.

We are monitoring these activities closely and intend to see that they proceed without a hitch. Our liaisons have already contacted those involved in the coming government transitions and have told them to firm up the final versions of their respective broadcasts.

We, too, are preparing the personnel whose job it will be to safeguard the various new governments.

The new-government tasks, in order of priority, are: the disbursement of the new monies, simultaneous with the setting-up of the new caretaker governments, including the new financial system; and the administration of numerous programs that will lead in a few weeks to disclosure.

We are confident that all this will not take long to manifest. We are also busy establishing the much-needed communications system by which each of the announcements will be flawlessly broadcast. In addition, our fleet is daily increasing its level of exposure in your skies, to give you enough evidence to prove without a doubt that you are not alone!

This activity alone ensures that those who wish to carry on their old ways are doomed to failure. The dark ones are still determined to find a way out of their ever-deepening dilemma, despite our reminding them day after day that any such escape plots will be blocked by us. This includes the horrific scenario of creating an 'incident' to ignite WW III. Heaven and we no longer permit the nuclear option!

The primary goal of the dark is this world war scenario. Whether it starts in the Middle East or in the Far East does not matter to them. They have set in motion a variety of events which can easily expand into major incidents, but this persistence will not pay off.

We monitor very closely all those governments that still support the dark cabal and its international intrigues. They insist on pursuing war and this is unacceptable to us. We warn them repeatedly that those incidents deliberately staged to ensure the start of a global war are quite simply, emphatically unacceptable!

Yet despite these continual admonitions, their aggressive maneuvers continue to mount. Shortly, we intend to create sufficient snafus to utterly stall these infernal stoke points. Many world leaders say one thing in public while inflaming several incendiary events behind the scenes. These too will be nipped in the bud.

Our fleet has positioned multiple defense craft at strategic locations to uncloak if necessary. The threats we are monitoring require a means to greatly reduce their possible incendiary affects on your world as your current reality is growing more and more fragile each day.

Simultaneously, your new reality grids slowly manifest. The effects of these energies are still quite subtle, and predictably, your dark ones are busily engaged in trying to subvert them. Let us inform you, as we have informed them: these grids are building a new reality; this will proceed without interruption.

Heaven has drawn up a timetable for this, and we have a divine mandate to complete your return to full consciousness. The dark can play around up to a certain point, and then our options are simple: to terminate fully their interference. You are to be given enough time to discuss and explore what is involved in your return to full consciousness. Then, in joy, you are to be transported to Inner Earth and transformed by the Light into who you really are!

Namaste! We are your Ascended Masters! This is the time of year when many look at themselves and their loved ones in a spiritual way, assessing how the past year went and what growth was seen in themselves and in those they most cherish.

Likewise, we take the time to review how humanity has progressed spiritually and assess what still needs to be done to draw all of us closer to our joint goal of a fully conscious reality. We see that much progress has been made!

The next step is, of course, to remove the obstacles left by the dark for all of us to surmount. Despite your treacherous world environment, we have moved our Earth associates to the very brink of success. Now we require divine assistance to ensure that your prosperity funds are delivered on time. Our spiritual and space families are ready to comply with the wishes of Heaven, and thus the moment comes for a most sacred miracle to manifest.

This moment in our history is indeed to be treasured. We have all seen the dark cabal's program for the most inglorious objective that it is! Their goal is terrible and infamous indeed, and this baleful vision will be banished by the sacred activities of our spiritual and space family.

Our own contribution is nearly finished, and with grace and joy we are handing over this task to some incredible Beings who are prepared to intervene massively and swiftly to terminate this present, crumbling realm.

In its stead will emerge a far better world, where we can all achieve our goals and welcome our greater family. This family, in turn, is to ensure that all will be well with Gaia and her peoples. Every part of Gaia will be renewed and returned to its former pristine state.

We, the Ascended Masters, welcome this and look forward to being able to greet you all openly.The celebration that will ring out in Heaven and Earth will be most exquisite!

Finally, you will all experience full consciousness and become one with all of physicality and Heaven's vast expanse. Millennia ago, what is now about to happen was carefully planned and then executed by the dedicated unfolders of the Creator's divine plan. And as we have stated many times, it will free you from the unending turmoil of the dark and reconnect you with the Light.

This mission has proved to us all to be a true mission of Love and we have never swayed from this special task. Now is the time of completion and it will be one of celebration for us all! More importantly, it is a supreme and sacred moment to be remembered with joy by us all.

Gaia also intends to rejoice in her return to her natural state of Being.

Blessings to you all! Ekta Cresos! (Love and Light!)

Today, we continued our continuing transmissions about the coming changes for humanity and this part of physicality. We are at a point where great and tumultuous change is to happen.

This reality is at long last ready to accept the sacred transformations decreed by Lord Surea and the divine plan of this universe.

Know, dear Ones, that the countless Supply and never-ending prosperity of Heaven are indeed Yours! So Be It! Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja! (Sirian for Be One! and Be in Joy!)


I found this message for you here: http://www.paoweb.com

My note: If our thoughts can manifest and I believe they are doing that now at warp speed. My vote in the collective consciousness goes with Sheldan's update and ideas. Since I like the world he is sharing, I choose to put my energy on this horse and this Galactic ticket. My arms are open, eager and willing to accept the New Earth he is hawking and pandering here. I like this one better and if we can choose between what we have now and where we go next ~ I choose to go with the Galactic Federation of Light. So, whether some believe this is BS or not, it's a choice we are making in this moment in time or out of it. ( I love to say this because we are leaving linear time with or without you and I am sure of this point). You've got my two cents of energy, sweetie.

Carry on and I ask that St Germaine come forth and roll out those prosperity funds about now for all of us to share. Imagine a world where real credit comes from your heart and not the Fed or Wall Street bankers. When you wake up the vista doesn't include basic necessities missing from some and given to others. Where we all share whatever we can imagine and bring into manifestation ~ created through all that our hearts desire just for the asking. Not dependent on slave labor; ours of another beings. Yeah, my vote is on this new vista of abundance and plenty. Creating at will something much brighter and better. I'd like to register this choice right now in the present moment and do it out loud and up close and personal. You may choose whichever one you want, too.

We each choose by which thoughts we want to manifest and we do this by putting our focus on it and the choice is to go along the old path or a new one. Both have opened before us. We do this individually and collectively, we are picking right now either something kinder and lovelier or not. I honor whichever road you want to bring forth next but until then, I call forth the vision of St. Germaine.

[VajraYaya]

OY...

*ducks and runs for cover*

[Richard]

Darla, Welcome to Nexus!
I hope you find some enlightenment in your stay here. Please do not take my post personally, it is not directed at you.

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Sheldan Nidle has announced similar "messages" in 1998, 2000, 2003, 2008 and now they are coming in 2012.

I have a question, what will these people say on Dec 22nd 2012 when the ascension date comes and goes like any other day?
I bet the date will be pushed into not 2013 but years ahead like it was in 2001. Betcha the new date for the Arrival of the fleet and/or ascension will be in the 2020's so it gives these individuals another decade to extract profits from the sleeping sheep who buy into every word lock, stock and barrel.

Sad huh?

Try this my dear federation sheep, go to the website of Sheldan Nidle at http://paoweb.com/ and click
INTRODUCING GALACTIC FEDERATION MEMBERS and read the description of ARCTURIANS or any other alien race and then come back and tell us what your intuition tells you.
The book of course has more info for 20$ USD plus s/h. A small price to pay to learn about your real galactic neighbours.

http://www.drboylan.com/goodbadugly.html
http://paranormal.skepticproject.com/forum/956/notorious-ufo-nutter-ct-sheldan-nidle/

PS He is(was) associated with Blossom Goodchild.

[Northern Boy]

Sorry Darla welcome to nexus and we hope you stay At one time I too read his stuff and it wasn`t till i realized that they had new Gov`ts ready to roll in and a new system of abundance (enslavement) along with allowing us to maintain our religious doctrine and the system associated with it that It clued on me that our free will had been violated as none of us were ever asked if we wanted to keep any of it so it can only mean one thing that it is made up mumbo jumbo to keep the ones who believe in it docile when sh!t breaks loose hoping that they will be airlifted out when it happens . The major point being free will if we have it then why were we not consulted by these benevolent being to ask us if we wanted any of these control systems to exist. Freedom is what you make it out to be when it is made for you it is never freedom If any one is waiting for NESARA or the GFL well this song says it all



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKueHdKJ0jg

[Chicodoodoo]

Greetings, Darla! Glad to see you posting here.

I have lots of problems with the GFL stuff (http://www.galacticfederationoflight.info/sheldan-nidle.html), but being a free speech advocate, I endorse your right to talk about it. Personally, I feel it is up to us to face the harsh reality of our dilemma and work hard to save ourselves, rather than expect someone else to do it for us. Optimism is great when it does not stray too far from reality, but at the moment, reality is not very comforting. That makes us desperate for optimism, which all too often leads us into fantasy. That just seems to be the human condition, speaking as an observer of human behavior. These are just general comments, not necessarily directed at you or Sheldan Nidle, though they are certainly related to the general subject matter.

Anyway, I hope you and those that follow the GFL saga will keep a discerning eye open for truth, wherever we may be so fortunate to find it, which is no easy task in our current, propaganda-strewn environment. And don't ask me what the truth is, as I am certainly no expert. I'm just a searcher of truth, having been misled and fooled many times, and likely still being misled and fooled.

Good luck to us all! From the look of things, we're going to need it.

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

The Sense of One

To no longer be 'in front of' something, but within it, a part of it.

THE NATURE OF MYSTICAL EXPERIENCE
Julie Redstone

As an hourglass allows sand to move in two directions depending upon which bulb is above and which below, so, too, does God intend for the human soul to have the possibility of moving in two directions ? toward oneness with all that is, merged within an infinite universe of light, and toward individuation as a distinct self, a point within that infinite universe.

As the sand flows from one bulb of the hourglass to the other, so, too, is consciousness capable of flowing to a place beyond the limits of ordinary perception - beyond boundaries, names, definitions, and distinctions, into a pool of light in which there is only One - and from this to another place, when conditions warrant it, where we become unique, a single drop of the infinite light.

Because both potentialities exist within human consciousness, what we call 'mystical experience' is, in all its many variations, both a deep experience of Oneness, yet also simply a part of what it means to be human. For it is part of the perfectability of human awareness to know itself to be One with all that surrounds it, while at the same time being able to exist as a self in order to act, create, live, breathe, and bring this awareness into form.

One day, what we separate out into something we call 'mystical' and something we call 'ordinary' will no longer be. The mystical will not have a name, and especially not a name that distinguishes it from the ordinary. In that day, human potentiality will have evolved sufficiently to bridge the distance between the infinite and the finite, between the invisible and the tangible reality of life within form. Therefore, what is mystical shall simply be 'what is', and all of physical life will appear as a polarity within a shifting consciousness that moves back and forth between poles of awareness - now blending, merging, and losing one's boundaries, now coming forward to move, gesture, speak, and act.

For the present, however, we are still approaching that reality. We are still learning to exist within the invisible ? to take our place within it as full participants within a world whose definitions have changed and within which we cannot operate with our minds as the primary navigator. In this world, we are still getting used to trusting our intuition, and more importantly, to trusting Divine intuition and intelligence to lead us through the experiences that are both formative and expansive.

A large bulk of the learning lies in letting go of the old and of coming to understand the difference between feeling like part of something, and being in front of something while we observe it. This is the key distinction in the new perception - that we no longer see with the eyes of an observer, but rather permit an engagement with reality that is more intimate - one in which we lose the sense of separateness and gain the possibility for experiencing life in an expanded way.

When we arrive at this new perception, whether through meditation, attunement, or by the light of love and grace, suddenly, we are no longer witnesses. Instead, we are within the other, one with them, and there is no one left to observe. There is just experiencing. There is just being.

In this way, the opening of the mystical sensibility allows us to come to know the Beauty that is at the heart of Creation. We do not think about it. We become it. We gain entrance into a world of the sacred and holy in which beauty is all there is. This great gift of expanded perception, this new awareness unfolding, springs from within us because it was always there. Though in the past its inner presence may have been discovered by only an illuminated few, now, in this time of intensified light, it has become the road to greater Life for the many.

For one day many will know these things that cannot be put into words, and will realize that they are the most important things that we are able to experience. This time has not yet arrived, but it is on the horizon. We are moving into it and it is moving into us - the beginning of a new and sacred world, revealed ? the beginning of a new life for the inhabitants of the earth.




Article Section - A New Consciousness

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

At a time when you are finding that you have the ability to bring unconditional love into your life, and we send that energy to all souls of the Earth. We have a commitment to give you every help to achieve a state of being that is going to prepare you for Ascension.

Your part is to be aware and receptive to such energies, and to put them into use in your everyday life. It requires a new mindset as most lives are presently controlled by the ego, that works in your self-interest. It is the final challenge that is the hardest to overcome but you can do it, and will feel elated that you are in total control.
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The dark Ones are gradually becoming resigned to their defeat, and lose more power as each day passes. They see the worldwide movements for peace as more and more people realize the value of coming together, and that by sheer numbers they are achieving their aims.

The dark Ones have always feared the day people would wake up to their true selves, and the power that they hold. Fear is no longer the powerful weapon that it was, and the Light is carrying people through periods of uncertainty and giving them the strength to overcome it.

Events that are about to occur and are essential to your progress, are moving into a stage of readiness for the next step to take place. It means that the year 2012 will not take long to get under way and will almost be a procession of changes, one after another.
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It is you who are instrumental in bringing the changes into your lives and as we see it, you will not in the least way be disappointed. You have waited long for the return journey to the higher dimensions to commence, and hardly noticed that it has already started.

However, in this coming year the changes will speed up quite dramatically and particularly where your consciousness levels are concerned. It will bring an acceptance of each other that sees beyond race or cultural differences, and that will also help bring you together. Humans are in essence benign Beings and are naturally peaceful by nature.
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We of the Galactic Federation are very active now as we become more directly involved in matters taking place on Earth. It is ensuring that our allies proceed at a pace that is necessary to bring the first major changes into being. We otherwise keep up our cleansing activities of the atmosphere, and keep a strict control on any action intended to start another war.

By banishing nuclear wars we have commenced a period of peaceful existence, that shall eventually bring about the removal and destruction of all weapons of war. There is no place for such things in the higher dimensions, and neither thoughts of any kind of aggression.
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The demand for peace is uppermost in so many peoples minds, and that powerful energy is instrumental in bringing it into being. As we see your Earth it becomes apparent that the Light Grids are exceptionally strong now and lifting Earth up into the higher vibrations, as like attracts like.

The process of Ascension marches onwards and the dark Ones can no longer hold it back. Their day has finished and little remains but to round them up, and keep them where their power and influence has no way of interfering with you. Their dream of world domination, has now been replaced by one of world peace as a result of the vision projected by you.
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There will be periods of difficulty and inconvenience to you as the web of control put in place by the dark Ones is dismantled. It will be particularly relevant to the financial and monetary changes, but be assured we have our allies fully briefed and ready to act at short notice.

The governmental changes will not cause many problems, as there will be continuity and control whilst they are taking place.

Disclosure as an announcement will naturally result in great discussion, and bring about many revelations to reveal what has been hidden from you for at least the last century.

These will in turn result in far reaching changes by introducing benefits and new technologies that you should have already been using. Once we can work openly with you, we shall give you the advantage of our advanced monitoring of your Earth where physical changes are concerned.
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Bear in mind that the main changes will not take place until after Ascension, when those of the higher consciousness will take their places as the new Galactic Beings.

You will eventually become as we are and enjoy the same opportunities, and experience complete happiness. Whatever experiences you have to go through until you ascend, keep focusing on the future and it will not seem as difficult.

Those of you who are well informed will be the vanguard of Lightworkers who will help others to understand what is taking place. Once the media is able to be free speaking from censorship and other controls, you may be sure that it will be your principle source of information.
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So everything is set for really fast moving experiences and changes, that will bring you to a point you should have already reached. Thus you will reach the new levels in stages, and be well prepared for the next big step forward that is Ascension. It will be something of a whirlwind ride once it gets started, but exciting if you look at it from an informed point of view.

Many souls who are only just awakening will be utterly confused and understandably fearful. That is to be expected when you are suddenly taken out of your normal surroundings into the unknown. However, people will soon understand that we of the Galactic Federation are assigned to the task of seeing you safely through the changes.

Naturally some souls will have elected to leave the Earth prior to Ascension, but are not denied the opportunity to ascend and can do so directly from the Astral Realms.
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I am SaLuSa from Sirius, and although we do not work to your linear time, we nevertheless understand the way you rely on this method of calculation. We sense a sigh of relief amongst you as you are about to step into the year 2012, with every expectation of the promises materializing that were made to you.

If there was ever a certainty that events would proceed as expected, then you are right as far as the year 2012 is concerned. We are pleased for you all as we want you to be lifted in spirit and go forward full of hope and joy. May your dreams come true and your path be full of Love and Light.
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Thank you SaLuSa.
Mike Quinsey.

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I found this message for you here: http://treeofthegoldenlight.com

[magamud]

In one sense this message disempowers humans ability to think exopoliticaly, in that we already lean toward other people taking care of our business. Co dependency? The core does not evolve. This dynamic corrupted could also support a Leper Messiah complex which is quite a potent opiate as far as im concerned. Salusa would be well to balance his energy, but im sure its difficult when your not on earth altogether...

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

A Pleiadian collective within the Galactic Federation speaks of humanity's ascension into a higher dimensional existence through channel Greg Giles.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UhuRQ7tmoo&feature=youtu.be

Message from the Galactic Federation 12/28/11


We are all souls who have traveled greatly to be here at this time. We are all souls who are here to accomplish a great task. This task has been acknowledged as important enough for so many souls from so many different parts of this, as well as other universes to have journeyed here.

There are billions incarnated in your world today and there are millions more onboard spacecrafts in orbit around your planet. What has been deemed the most important project this universe has ever seen is the ascension of your planet and her people, as what happens here truly affects this entire universe.

Many have journeyed here vast distances, and there are even beings who have journeyed here from your future. They have traveled back in time to be here, in service to humanity on our shared mission. This should give you some idea of just how important this project is in light of this information.

Ask yourself what you can do to assist this effort. Helping to spread the word of what is transpiring here is a grassroots effort that is vital to our cause. Without sufficient numbers of those of your world aware of our purpose and their purpose as well, events must be delayed.

We wish to proceed with the first contact mission as time is running short. The ascension of humanity and your host planet is the triumphant conclusion to other important events we wish to commence as soon as is possible.

Disclosure announcements and the replacement of your government officials who are mere puppets of the dark cabal is of primary importance, and the sooner these tasks can be accomplished the better for all of us.

We are happy to report that news of our presence here is spreading throughout your world quite rapidly.

We would like to see this news continue to spread, and your efforts are greatly appreciated as they are the major catalyst, as most of your media outlets are still controlled by the cabal. There are a few exceptions to this, as agreements have been reached with a few of your media companies to release information that can act as a desensitizer for our first contact announcements.

We have instructed you to begin making preparations for these announcements as this day is drawing very near. Stock up on household items that you would need to get you through a short period if stores and possibly several utilities are made unavailable for a period of a few days or even a few weeks.

It is difficult for us to estimate precisely how long it will take for many people to accept our presence and willfully return to their jobs at stores and even utility companies. In time, both your food stores and all your utility companies will become relics of your past, as far advanced methods to supply your homes with food and energy will begin to be made available to you as soon as we are free to land on your soil.

Such are the gifts we offer you in peace and friendship. You are our brothers and sisters after all, and we wish you to enjoy all the gifts that make life as easy and enjoyable as possible as we have been so blessed.

Behind-the-scenes much continues and again, you will find little evidence of these proceedings reported in your media. There are, though, a few stories that foreshadow a restructuring of your entire financial and political world. The fall of the Euro Dollar and the replacement of the leader of North Korea are just two examples of events that have been triggered by unreported proceedings.

In your skies, increasing numbers of our ships are being videotaped and photographed by citizens throughout your world and the sightings will continue to increase as the days go by. Some of the sightings are, and will continue to be difficult for even the most diehard skeptic to dismiss.

This is part of the plan, and we will steadily increase our efforts in this regard. Evidence of our ships can also be seen while utilizing space oriented software programs freely available on the Internet.

Our messages will continue in this manner right up until the moment of disclosure and even for some time afterwards. You will have little, if any, advanced notice of our announcements as we wish not to give advanced notice to the cabal or any of their minions which may allow them time to create a distraction as they have so often done before. Instead, our disclosure announcements will come as a surprise to even our channels and to those of you who regularly read our communications.

In this light, do not feel disclosure and first contact are events far into your future simply because no dates have yet to be announced. Due to our ongoing battle with the dark, no advanced notice will be given. Know dear ones, this day will come. We now have a good idea of when these announcements will commence and they are not very far off.

Until then, keep looking to the skies and continue to spread the news of our presence. Every day is the day for you to also work on clearing any past issues that may be left unresolved in you, as these issues are just as important to your ascension as the outer issues of your world. As we have said; ‘as above-so below’ has many meanings for you to understand at this time and this will all become much clearer to you in the days ahead.

We wish you to know that all of our plans are proceeding very efficiently, and the dark forces are losing ground each and every day. It will not be much longer now until we can report that the last cabal soldier has been rounded up and removed from this quadrant of space. This will be quite an historic day for humanity, one of many days that will be written into your new history books in the days ahead. Keep your faith and your hopes alive. The end is truly insight, and your new glorious beginning is so very close at hand.

We are your Family of Light from the stars.



As channeled through Greg Giles

[magamud]

I thank Greg for his reminder that Love is universally abound, but talking about his or their plan for "Ascension" can be corrupted into something quite horrific. Project Bluebeam...Someone transparent would point out this obvious potential. I could imagine quite a few "advanced" civilizations practicing love and light, wanting to step in and help, but instead get involved in a co-dependent relationship. The sovereign individual never gets a chance to process its full potential. This Karma being present is a great opportunity to shed...

[Ross]

By banishing nuclear wars we have commenced a period of peaceful existence, that shall eventually bring about the removal and destruction of all weapons of war. There is no place for such things in the higher dimensions, and neither thoughts of any kind of aggression.

Hello dear Salusa...while I agree with "there is no place for weapons of destruction and death.

Where were you between 1945 and currently? over 2000 detonations, reeking havoc to all life forms and gaia herself....and you allow nuclear reactors to persist to this very day.?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6M6Iq9wyTE

Ross

[Ross]

by banishing nuclear wars we have commenced a period of peaceful existence

Not so...the barbaric nature of those who influence the minds of men are as rampant as ever before, here today, currenty 30 wars on planet Earth, invaded and civil, causing death and destruction. If you lot, the GLF are wanting to change our current nature, then for the love of life, stop pissing around and do some real work...your message can only be understood by those very few in a position to hear it...less than 0.1% of humanity from where Im sitting, and only on forums...we do have a very large network of satellites, TV, radio and news print...seems to me you have not considered your tactics or logic from a place of reason.

Ross

[Ross]

Dearest Darla,

I am not calling you out here...just so you know. I am calling out the GLF.

Ross

[VajraYaya]

Holy crap.. Enough with all this pollution already.

Ross, I don't think she reads any responses after she posts and runs. She sure doesn't seem willing to discuss any of this stuff.

[Ross]

Holy crap.. Enough with all this pollution already.

Ross, I don't think she reads any responses after she posts and runs. She sure doesn't seem willing to discuss any of this stuff.

In all fairness, Darla is rather a lovely woman, and it is her wish to bring this to the forum. I did send out a warning of sorts via another member that this material here will get pulled apart...I hope for Darla sake she can understand some members logic on the matter. Also she is presenting others material on the most part, so its the material I am calling out. Not Darla.

Darla does not engage with some who pull this apart...that is understood. She is the messenger of this info, not the GLF. My beef is with Quinsey and the other channelers.

Ross

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

Ross, I asked the Galactic Federation of Light this question. It's an excellent point. It seems that until Earth and it's people had enough light, their hands were tied and no intervention was allowed. If you look around, and this video is a perfect example, for the longest time, we were just too dark and enmeshed in dark deeds and actions. They were able to quarantine Earth and make it so we didn't have the ability to harm anything beyond it's sphere but they could not intervene in what was happening to all of us who live here until enough of us asked for assistance. We all share some responsibility for the dark elements due to our collective contribution.

There is a Universal Law they cannot intervene until a planet has a certain percentage of people shinning light and requesting Celestial help to allow Divine Intervention. This did not happen until fairly recent days. Now Atomic weapons will never be allowed again. We have been hearing this from several other channels and of course, military who witnessed weapon dis-arming events and later become whistleblowers. Most of us are familiar with them. It would seem that the dark ones have not yet given up attempting but they are on their last legs now.

Things are really coming to a head now as far as the dark cabal goes. A new bulletin today titled, "Fulford: Federal Reserve told to shut down immediately ~ New financial system.." along with the recent Fed audit being released with it's 17 trillion bucks printed and given out to the banksters and selective countries and corporations at 0% interest without congressional approval might just do it this time.

This while congress bickers over over how to cut 1.3 trillion of a 3.4 trillion budget. Peanuts and horse radishes! The banks that got these trillion will make you sick, as they are responsible for illegal foreclosures on thousands of American homes and families while this illegal loaning was going on. And it's the usual suspects.

Anyone else hear the death knell for the powers that were or is it just me? Anyway, I am grateful the Galactics are here and able to assist us now which they are doing in great earnest. So the answer is that we, as a people, bear some responsibility for tying their hands in the past.

[magamud]

I worry for Darla here.
She could be a representative for Bluebeam...
Her light could be a Lucifer light,
Her Dark could be the very people who are awake and dont agree...
They want to intervene if enough people "Believe" them...
Whose Divine intervention?
They dont want to use Atomic weapons as not to blow up their Eden...They used the proliferation for trauma and hostage taking...

Getting rid of a low level Ponzie scheme to be used as a Savior platform is bull sh it...
A patsy is a patsy no matter what level it is...

[VajraYaya]

Hiya Darla..

Nice to see you return to discuss one of your posts.

I wonder, how many times have you argued with others who say they talk with or channel Ashtar, Sanat Kumara, Metatron or others from the ships, and come up with very contradictory information?

Do they also give you information or reasons why things they have communicated to you before, never came about, never happened?

[magamud]

what contradictions? All you have to do is remember indeed. Move toward the light and feel the love, im sure. Just breathe and think of a white light manifesting...
There is no questioning with this? There is no talk about it?

[Ross]

Do they also give you information or reasons why things they have communicated to you before, never came about, never happened?

Good point VV,

Remember Blossom Goodchild,

Off the GLF website:


BLOSSOM GOODCHILD was born in Derby (England) in 1957. In 2001 she emigrated to Australia. She has one son and three step children, and works as a professional medium and an actress. She channels a Native American Indian Spirit Energy called "White Cloud", The Federation of Light and many other Light Beings. In 2008, she drew international attention when she channelled a message from The Federation saying that an extraterrestrial spacecraft would appear on October 14 of that year. The ship didn't show due to threats with violence by the dark forces (which was confirmed by other channelers), but The Federation called it a success anyway because this event had woken up many people to the light.

http://www.galacticchannelings.com/arab/channelers.html

As a matter of interest, This Woman lives less than 1km from me. I have 2 friends here that are very well versed in the esoteric, channelling and entities. These fellows have been in this field for over 35 years and are friends with Blossom. When she first disclosed the October date to these fellows, before it went public, they were 100% convinced that her channel entity/s was not what she thought...in fact they tried to help her, as the entitles she was in communication with were playing her and were of a mischievous nature and somewhat dark, from their observations....and in their words, they could see the entities and communicated with them...calling them out and exposing them. Blossom refused to acknowledge their observations.

Subsequently the event did not happen...and above quote is the official explanation.

Now, I have seen enough to understand that certain energies/entities are of a real nature...or so it seems, illusions come in many forms, but there are many of these anomolous communications that are indeed bogus and play off the gullible nature of some.

My conclusions are this. Do not trust anything, you carry your own light and you do live in an existence that is on the most part insanity. For eons, folk have relied on others for truth which in more cases than not prove to be bogus and in disguise of others agenda's.


but The Federation called it a success anyway because this event had woken up many people to the light.

Now this is typical, there is no proof whatsoever that above statement is truthful...as someone who has a keen eye, I am yet to see anything of the sort...an excuse offered as to authenticity and has absolutely no credence.


My sig is there for a reason...and the question to ask is...is the information correct, and that is a question for all sources of info, 3d or otherwise.

Ross

[Krystic]

Darla means well but she is a victim of the love,light and clueless new-agey mind control agenda...another means of spreading external saviour scenarios.repackaged and thinly disguised as "empowering" info...if these sources REALLY wanted to help people they would have been explaining things like how people lightbodies are constructed,how to access them,how to activate their DNA,how to practice psychic self defence and many other such things,,,,Quinsey,Nidle and co are well meaning mind controlled messengers who are assisting in the new-age religion programming that gives people a false sense of securitry and expectations of being "rescued" SOON.

.as Nidle has been preaching for over a decade and people STILL FOLLOW HIM

...lot's of truths mixed with just enough escapism to pacify people and keep them from being more motivated to understand themselves and their energetic make up...perpetuating the love,light and clueless new-agey religion,,,love and going in to the heart are just part of what is required to get out from under the 3d mind control and prison...

It's a mind control game that is coming to an end...after dec21 2012 many of these followers will suffer a crisis of faith and be forced to dig deeper...meanwhile the preachers like Nidle will continue to say you will be saved from yourselves "SOON" and the most blinded love,light and clueless will continue to follow that negative ET agenda and messenger

[reaver]

Ross, I asked the Galactic Federation of Light this question.
And did they really answer to you? or did you just went on to read more channeled material?


It seems that until Earth and it's people had enough light, their hands were tied and no intervention was allowed.
Light? what kind of light? what do you mean by light?. If I were to be a sarcastic asshole on this one, I'd say there's a lot of light around the world, electricity can be quite useful at night.


If you look around, and this video is a perfect example, for the longest time, we were just too dark and enmeshed in dark deeds and actions. They were able to quarantine Earth and make it so we didn't have the ability to harm anything beyond it's sphere but they could not intervene in what was happening to all of us who live here until enough of us asked for assistance.
So now those dark actions are banishing according to whoever is channeling those messages? Even if those physical attrocities have been reduced a lot, let's not forget that psychic tyranny, psychic sadism is very real and is running rampant as I write this.

Until enough asked for assistance? to who? to the GFL specifically? how were the common folk of ages past to know that there was the probability of life on other planets? hell a lot did not even know what a planet was and lot of people were fierce believers of fake religions. Even in this day and age loads of people don't believe that there are intelligent beings outside of planet Earth and many of those who do believe, only entertain the possibility as something trendy, they won't sit and wonder what the existence of intelligent beings on other planets could mean for the human race, to this day millions believe in fake gods to a lesser or greater degree, waiting for the day of salvation... But loads of people are praying to the GFL now? all of a sudden millions are screaming for salvation to the GFL?

If it is just about people asking for help, then what about the millions of people whom trough the ages have been asking: why, why, why?. What about those girls being raped, screaming for help, just so that no one shows up and then they end being completly destroyed for most if not all their life? What about those children who have been and are still to this day being enslaved, do you think they don't ask for help? What about the people being caught in the middle of some war, being abused on all levels by psychopathic bastards? you think they didn't ask for help? you think they didn't wonder WHY while they saw their spouses being raped? that they didn't ask why while their children were stabbed with a sword in their throats?. And so I can go on for weeks pointing out examples, where was the GFL back then? were they a little deaf on those times? perhaps the sorrow, the pain had to be stronger in those people, perhaps they ought to shout louder.


There is a Universal Law they cannot intervene until a planet has a certain percentage of people shinning light and requesting Celestial help to allow Divine Intervention. This did not happens until fairly recent days. Now Atomic weapons will never be allowed again.
Who says such a law exist? by whose authority is such law truth?. Yeah it always happens until fairly recent days when it comes to those messages. No atomic weapons anymore? just wait until the next country gets blown up to oblivion, I doubt TPTB give a sh!t about the GFL. Notice how much emphasis is made on atomic/nuclear weapons when it comes to these kind of messages, let's say those weapons dissapear in one instant... do you seriously think that'd be the end of violence? fists can kill, knifes can kill, guns can kill, ropes can be used to kill. I mean is not that the persian empire - or any other empire for that matter - used nukes to rape who knows how many people on all levels.


It would seem that the dark ones have not yet given up attempting but they are on their last legs now.

So I have seen those messages as far back as 2008, I bet they are much older than that.


A new bulletin today titled, "Fulford: Federal Reserve told to shut down immediately ~ New financial system.." along with the recent Fed audit being released with it's 17 trillion bucks printed and given out to the banksters and selective countries and corporations at 0% interest without congressional approval might just do it this time.
Have you asked yourself how that is going to take place? When it comes to non-violent methods, Fulford always talks about some lawsuit, or political action... yeah use the very system which was built to serve a few psychopaths (or many, depending on your view) to bring justice and paradise to Earth. When Fulford doesn't feel like using non-violent romatic stories, he resorts to armies of ninjas, people who can mobilize millions of martial artists ,some colourful dragon secret society, sometimes even the Yakuzas feel like bringing world peace.... and they have been close to ending the global tyranny as far back as 2009, but I guess they are no match for the armies of legal mercenaries.


This while congress bickers over over how to cut 1.3 trillion of a 3.4 trillion budget.
Do you seriously think the official figures represent the actual amount of resources being used for necrotic operations? whether they be financial or murderous in nature?


The banks that got these trillion will make you sick, as they are responsible for illegal foreclosures on thousands of American homes and families while this illegal loaning was going on. And it's the usual suspects.

Usury and financial thugs didn't appear just yesterday.

Notice how those kind of messages are always sugarcoated, messages of hope directed to people's forebrain so that they get high on those body chemicals which result from high hopes, daily doses of numbness... and of course when world peace fails, the you'll see this words: soon, inminent, close, almost there, a short time. If a big fu ck up takes place: "not enough people were shining light", "this is something all of you have to do".


Now, I have seen enough to understand that certain energies/entities are of a real nature...or so it seems, illusions come in many forms, but there are many of these anomolous communications that are indeed bogus and play off the gullible nature of some.

There is a lesson to be learned here, whether the channelers are bullsh!tters, being fooled by some entities, tapping into their unconscious fantasies for salvation or a combination of those:

YOU are the only one who can save YOU. No such a thing as salvation coming from whatever talismanic figure you orgasm about.

Oh yeah and these messages are great examples of PROPAGANDA.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I find it interesting that 2 people who themselves have a belief system (Megamud who is religious, and Krystic who follows asheana Deane's teachings have such a problem with this.

Guys can you tell me what makes your belief's the right ones?



Hurritt

[reaver]

I know this should be addressed by Magamud, but why do you assume he is religious?

[flower]

Why is the message more important then the messenger?

If the message is wrong.

If the message is misleading

Why does the responsibility not lay with the messenger?

If the message is right

if the message is truthful

Would we not thank the messenger?

Unless ofcourse Darla is spreading this story under duress .....?

[reaver]

I don't buy into the "don't attack the messenger" thing, well not in a 100%.



As for the personalities in the alt community, yes to an extent is about the message, but to some extent it is also about the messenger... focusing in one extreme too much can lead to a distorted view, so I'd say is about getting to know to what degree one should focus on the message or messenger.... in some cases both are required for a better vision on things... and yes sometimes you can mess up, I've messed up many times.
This of course, is not limited to the alt community.

[magamud]

I find it interesting that 2 people who themselves have a belief system (Megamud who is religious, and Krystic who follows asheana Deane's teachings have such a problem with this.
Guys can you tell me what makes your belief's the right ones?
Hurritt

Im trying to point to potentials that are slipping by unnoticed it seems. And worse, possibly hurried and done in secrecy. And questions on why, are projected as attacks and polarized with ridiculous concepts such as Religion. There just questions...
Its much like our own earth geopolitical politics...
And more, like our legislative body in Congress.....

There also simple questions, in a sense, so why is it, that people need to know how I deal with it? Can you not figure it out yourself?

[Richard]

Friends has 3d life got you feeling a little down?
are you tired of the same old day in and day out yadda yadda life?
your job suck?
don?t even have one that you can even say sucks?
are the bills piling up?
are you tired of coming home and finding your spouse glued to the tv watching mindless shows about fake reality?

Try all new ?Ascension living?!!!!!!
that?s right for $50 down $50 a week for 50 years you too can live the life of a new age hippie waiting for your savior friends from the sky. friends like jesus, salusa, arch angel micheal, st. germain, ashtray, lord hatton and many many more. soon they?ll all be here in their rainbow colored light ships ready to free you from your miserable existence?. with free power, free travel, replicators that will make you anything you desire!! peace of mind that you wont find anywhere else in the universe.
but wait!!!! thats not all?
if your one of the first 100 believers you get a free tee shirt Smile be the first one on your block to proudly wear a ?ground crew? tee shirt Smile
but wait that?s still not all!!!!
for the first time in any galaxy were offering a bonus gift of ?disclosure is now? coffee mugs to anyone who denounces all those old worn out religions and jumps up and down when we decloak?.

Silly silly silly lol

[VajraYaya]

Friends has 3d life got you feeling a little down?
are you tired of the same old day in and day out yadda yadda life?
your job suck?
don’t even have one that you can even say sucks?
are the bills piling up?
are you tired of coming home and finding your spouse glued to the tv watching mindless shows about fake reality?

Try all new “Ascension living”!!!!!!
that’s right for $50 down $50 a week for 50 years you too can live the life of a new age hippie waiting for your savior friends from the sky. friends like jesus, salusa, arch angel micheal, st. germain, ashtray, lord hatton and many many more. soon they’ll all be here in their rainbow colored light ships ready to free you from your miserable existence…. with free power, free travel, replicators that will make you anything you desire!! peace of mind that you wont find anywhere else in the universe.
but wait!!!! thats not all…
if your one of the first 100 believers you get a free tee shirt Smile be the first one on your block to proudly wear a “ground crew” tee shirt Smile
but wait that’s still not all!!!!
for the first time in any galaxy were offering a bonus gift of “disclosure is now” coffee mugs to anyone who denounces all those old worn out religions and jumps up and down when we decloak….


Silly silly silly lol

WAAAYYYY too funny! Thanks Richard.. I needed that.

[Nagual]

Dear Darla, It is not my intention to troll this thread, but i'm just curious about why Salusa and the GFL supports president Obama?
Is there something celestial about Obama that we -merely 3D humans- cannot understand?



SaluSa and His Colleagues

The galactics express equal confidence in President Obama.? SaLuSa describes President Obama and our future under him:

?We will say again that you have a wonderful soul named Barack Obama, and he is clear in his mind as to what he wants to do given the opportunity. With your continued support he will galvanize people into action, and set the path towards? a peaceful world.?

He tells us that Obama is the galactics? man, their choice, for the job of leading the ? I can hardly say it ? free world out of bondage to the cabal.
?Great responsibility lies with President Obama to trigger a number of changes that will lead to major ones that provide real answers to your mounting problems. He has our full backing and is as you might say ?our man? and he has as intended emerged at the right time to carry you beyond the plans of the Illuminati.?

While many detractors say that Obama is continuing Bush?s policy, or indeed is worse than Bush, SaLuSa?s colleague, Ker-On of Venus, disputes this.
?The bullish approach of your last administration is to be replaced, with one of friendship and desire to broker peace throughout the world. It will come as the people exercise their power, and demand their rights to live in total peace and harmony.

SaLuSa also disputes it:

?Already he is making overtures to foreign powers that would otherwise be considered enemies of the Western World.
?Obama seeks peace instead of hostilities, and knows that he must build trust where previously there was nothing but confrontation. Humanity is being offered the opportunity to consign the past to your history books, and broker a new understanding between each other that leads to friendship and cooperation.?

SaLuSa outlines the slow, patient work Obama is doing to bring down the Illuminati:

?It will be a gradual reversal of what has gone before, and President Obama is already busy arranging the legal presentation that is necessary. It cannot be undone overnight, but will gather momentum very soon.?
?You will see that he has played a patient game to take his opportunity to unseat the dark Ones, and he will use all of his authority to do so. Timing is the essence of success, and that is something we have often stressed.?

In those days, his actions will be firm and decisive.

?There are days to come when at a single stroke the U.S. President shall astound his critics by the changes he will authorize. No President of late has been one specifically chosen by the people, and therefore his decisions will reflect that aspect of his appointment.

?He is in any event, a highly motivated soul bringing much wisdom and authority with him. He has a great responsibility thrust upon his shoulders, but is equal to the task.?
But, he says, our support is crucial:

?Support for the new look way of governing is vital; as the dark forces will do all they can to disrupt its progress. Read carefully into reports that twist Obama?s words, as much disinformation will be circulated. Be intuitive, and measure the soul that is Obama by his intentions as expressed with wisdom and love for all people.

?He is charged with a task that holds the future of Mankind in its grasp, and it must not, and cannot fail. His emergence is one that the people of the world can take credit for, as your prayers and longing for a trusted and worthy leader to make peace a reality has been answered.?

Our faith will be amply repaid, according to SaLuSa:

?Your faith in him will not be found wanting, but make allowances for the task that lies ahead. He will not fail, and we are his assurance of successfully coming through this period.?

Knowing this, I support President Obama wholeheartedly. If i did not know this, I might waver in my support for him, even though my inner Self would be calling on me to support him.
Most of the world does not know what we know.? Many would not believe it if we told them. But our support of him is enough, I think, to give him the strength he needs to lead us out of bondage to the Illuminati and into the new freedom that has been promised us.

[flower]

for the first time in any galaxy were offering a bonus gift of “disclosure is now” coffee mugs to anyone who denounces all those old worn out religions and jumps up and down when we decloak….


*celine jumps up and down *

I want a new mug!!!! pls pls pls...


oh wait..babe...i dont think they are going to give you and i a mug...

[Richard]

but i'm just curious about why Salusa and the GFL supports president Obama?

All GFL posts are USA centric, they never talk much about other countries and never use languages other than english.
Clearly the perpetrators of the fraud are American and are typically geographically challenged

---------- Post added at 07:54 ---------- Previous post was at 07:53 ----------

PS if the message is a lie what does that make the messenger? hmmm?

[gratitudeandlove]

Hope is important. Hope can change the chemistry of the secretions of the glands and the condition of the blood circulation. It releases energy from certain etheric centers and gives us courage and strength, bringing great changes in our electromagnetic field or aura.

In these oppressive times the life raft is hope. Hope creates a frame of mind in which man searches and strives continuously to find a solution, and because of such a positive tension, his Higher Self responds and brings the needed light.

The words that are channelled bring hope. Take exactly what you need out of the message and leave the rest. They are ideas that prevents negative thoughtforms from building themselves within your aura. Negative thoughtforms are the cause of many failures.

The channelled information allows people to see the danger, the corruption, the pollution, and the evil of totalitarianism and take conscious action to prevent its expansion, without pessimism but with inflamed optimism. It is through hope that the blessings of the heavens to reach us.

Undestanding the fundamental ideas passed in the message creates spiritual magnetism, which will draw inspiration and clear direction from Higher Sources. It is vital that we keep a vision of achievement and well being in our hearts in spite of all conditions and thus keeps alive our aspiration toward the vision.

In these dark hours with hope doors will be opened and humanity will enter a new life. This doors would not exist for those who do not give up hope."

HAVE AND KEEP HOPE CLOSE TO YOUR HEART

[gratitudeandlove]

We are transforming, our structure become more crystalline, we are geting upgraded. The whole planet is changing and we should go with the flow organically, instead of resisting. Allow the old habits, patterns, realities fall away.

People that have come into our lives to irriate, annoy, agravate or upset our own personal belilef system are sent to us to show us our true self. How do we react to them? We sometimes need to be provoked in order to understand what dwells deep inside us.

[flower]

we are geting upgraded

By whom?


I am Creator.

What are you?

[gratitudeandlove]

We all have within us a divine spark. The spark can recieve more or less energy depending the capacity to receive.

[flower]

ahh..

so we are vessels of divinity..

Yes i can agree

But capacity? each of us has the same capacity..

Not one.. General.... Emperor...or Queen......has more then any other.

Thats what THEY dont want any of us to belive.

[gratitudeandlove]

Interrupt capacity as frequency. Compare AM to FM. Both are energy but each receive the radio waves differently. The energy of Love is a different freqency compared to the frequency of Hate. How much an individual wants or is willing to recieve is up to the individual.

If we believe in ourselves, if we believe in what God has given us, nothing can stop us receiving Divine Love. Most of us would burn out physically if we received a small fraction of divine love. We have a fuse box that allows us to shut down before we blow all the fuses.

[Nagual]

We are all souls who have traveled greatly to be here at this time. We are all souls who are here to accomplish a great task. This task has been acknowledged as important enough for so many souls from so many different parts of this, as well as other universes to have journeyed here.

There are billions incarnated in your world today and there are millions more onboard spacecrafts in orbit around your planet. What has been deemed the most important project this universe has ever seen is the ascension of your planet and her people, as what happens here truly affects this entire universe.

Many have journeyed here vast distances, and there are even beings who have journeyed here from your future. They have traveled back in time to be here, in service to humanity on our shared mission. This should give you some idea of just how important this project is in light of this information.

Ask yourself what you can do to assist this effort. Helping to spread the word of what is transpiring here is a grassroots effort that is vital to our cause. Without sufficient numbers of those of your world aware of our purpose and their purpose as well, events must be delayed.

We wish to proceed with the first contact mission as time is running short. The ascension of humanity and your host planet is the triumphant conclusion to other important events we wish to commence as soon as is possible.

Disclosure announcements and the replacement of your government officials who are mere puppets of the dark cabal is of primary importance, and the sooner these tasks can be accomplished the better for all of us.

We are happy to report that news of our presence here is spreading throughout your world quite rapidly.

We would like to see this news continue to spread, and your efforts are greatly appreciated as they are the major catalyst, as most of your media outlets are still controlled by the cabal. There are a few exceptions to this, as agreements have been reached with a few of your media companies to release information that can act as a desensitizer for our first contact announcements.

We have instructed you to begin making preparations for these announcements as this day is drawing very near. Stock up on household items that you would need to get you through a short period if stores and possibly several utilities are made unavailable for a period of a few days or even a few weeks.

It is difficult for us to estimate precisely how long it will take for many people to accept our presence and willfully return to their jobs at stores and even utility companies. In time, both your food stores and all your utility companies will become relics of your past, as far advanced methods to supply your homes with food and energy will begin to be made available to you as soon as we are free to land on your soil.

Such are the gifts we offer you in peace and friendship. You are our brothers and sisters after all, and we wish you to enjoy all the gifts that make life as easy and enjoyable as possible as we have been so blessed.

Behind-the-scenes much continues and again, you will find little evidence of these proceedings reported in your media. There are, though, a few stories that foreshadow a restructuring of your entire financial and political world. The fall of the Euro Dollar and the replacement of the leader of North Korea are just two examples of events that have been triggered by unreported proceedings.

In your skies, increasing numbers of our ships are being videotaped and photographed by citizens throughout your world and the sightings will continue to increase as the days go by. Some of the sightings are, and will continue to be difficult for even the most diehard skeptic to dismiss.

This is part of the plan, and we will steadily increase our efforts in this regard. Evidence of our ships can also be seen while utilizing space oriented software programs freely available on the Internet.

Our messages will continue in this manner right up until the moment of disclosure and even for some time afterwards. You will have little, if any, advanced notice of our announcements as we wish not to give advanced notice to the cabal or any of their minions which may allow them time to create a distraction as they have so often done before. Instead, our disclosure announcements will come as a surprise to even our channels and to those of you who regularly read our communications.

In this light, do not feel disclosure and first contact are events far into your future simply because no dates have yet to be announced. Due to our ongoing battle with the dark, no advanced notice will be given. Know dear ones, this day will come. We now have a good idea of when these announcements will commence and they are not very far off.

Until then, keep looking to the skies and continue to spread the news of our presence. Every day is the day for you to also work on clearing any past issues that may be left unresolved in you, as these issues are just as important to your ascension as the outer issues of your world. As we have said; ?as above-so below? has many meanings for you to understand at this time and this will all become much clearer to you in the days ahead.

We wish you to know that all of our plans are proceeding very efficiently, and the dark forces are losing ground each and every day. It will not be much longer now until we can report that the last cabal soldier has been rounded up and removed from this quadrant of space. This will be quite an historic day for humanity, one of many days that will be written into your new history books in the days ahead. Keep your faith and your hopes alive. The end is truly insight, and your new glorious beginning is so very close at hand.

We are your Family of Light from the stars.

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2933

[Richard]

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2933

lol! ggp, thanks!

[Calz_Avaretard]

Not channeled (Dear Ones) though to many it will sound that way.

James will on occasion distribute messages he brings in during deep meditation from the Andromedans. Channeling/meditation = apples/oranges??? Up to you to decide.

Anyway ... for your *discernment*. Use it or lose it. It's all good.

__________



This defines what we have been speaking about as to the NWO not being frequency specific to the Earth and her Ascension.

(That from James)


Message from the ANDROMEDA COUNCIL


A New Beginning.......We of the star systems & planets of the Andromeda Council are your family & friends. We are here to let you know your planet Earth/Terra and all of your people are about to go through major changes, a major stage of growth, a shift-up in vibration, called "upliftment". It is a completely new vibration, new higher consciousness & awareness, a new existence… for the first time in your planet's history. It is a cleansing, a rebirth, a transformation. It is a transition. For you on planet Earth - it is a new beginning. Most important, it is simply an evolution.

Though the process has already begun, somewhat. Earth is about to transform in vibrational frequency from its current 3-D solid matter form existence in the 3rd dimension… into 4D, the fourth dimension/density reality, the vibratory rate one frequency faster than currently on Earth, as Earth's solar system and planet Earth are about to cross into the galactic equatorial plane zone of the Milky Way galaxy.

Overall, this new area of 4D, fourth dimensional, space is a place where matter has far less density & weight, an area of much faster & higher frequency energy vibration. It is also a dimension where time will no longer have a hold on Earth humans. From a 4D, fourth dimension, perspective time doesn't exist... At least not the way Earth presently experiences time.

In addition, this area of fourth dimensional space also has a 'black hole' with highly charged magnetic energies at its core. Earth's solar system and planet Earth will upon entry of this zone encounter the highly charged magnetic energies of this 'black hole' and feel its effects. Some of your Earth scientists, astrophysicists, call this area - a Galactic or Torsion Energy Wave.

The speeding up of this solar system & its planets including Earth due to the faster & higher frequency energy vibration rate of this area - their upliftment into the fourth density resulting in continued geophysical events and additional changes to planet Earth - these changes are projected to start by mid-October 2011.

The official beginning of 4D fourth dimensional energy will begin to affect Earth's solar system on 11.11.11 as it encounters the galactic equatorial plane region - as a universe & galactic wide harmonic frequency - will open and affect this whole area of space.

Whether people call this phenomenon a 'stargate' or 'portal, this area of faster, higher fourth dimensional energy is real. This historic date of 11.11.11 begins the infusion of 4D dimensional energy onto your planet. It will affect Earth & its people in a positive, uplifting way like never before experienced in your planet's history.

The saturation of this higher frequency vibration will continue from the end of 2011, through all of 2012, reaching full strength during the time frame of December 2012, through March 2013 when the final rotation of the 90 degree shift of Earth's crust happens with the present day East/West orientation of the continents moving into their new North/South orientation.

These changes are expected to settle down throughout remaining 2013, and will begin the completion of this cycle by the end of October, winding down in December 2013. With 4th dimensional life officially beginning in January 2014.

During this time every living thing from the largest to the smallest will be offered the opportunity to change, to evolve, into 4D, fourth dimensional life.

It is expected Earth will begin to settle into its new 4D vibrational existence, its new fourth dimension life, in January 2014.

Yes, planet Earth will likely go through continued dramatic changes to get there. But these events as life changing they will be to both humans and all life on the planet... These changes are normal and necessary for this process. It is transformation. It is evolution.

Just like a woman's body changes, adjusts & expands, Earth too must go through its uncomfortable adjustments, its labor pains, and the momentary intense pain of child birth. Earth too must adjust & prepare herself for this new beginning, for her new life as a 4th density world... A far more colorful, vibrant, & beautiful 4th dimensional world.

Once Earth is vibrating in the fourth dimension, Earth's remaining sentient inhabitants, including all humans, will be forever changed. They will manifest a variety of natural, multi-sensory abilities as never before experienced in Earth's history. These new abilities include: telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, and levitation. For all of transformed humanity - human consciousness, human life, will make a quantum leap in evolution.

Humans finally experience and learn first hand about the truth & reality of their own soul, about their true spiritual birth essence & origin. 4D humanity experiences a true spiritual life - complete self awareness and cognition, total memory recall, clairvoyance, clairsentience & greater natural harmony with others.

This will be a complete transformation of your solar system. A complete transformation of the human race on planet Earth. You will now have crystalline bodies, healthy, light filled with virtually eternal life spans. And a beautiful way of living like you have never imagined.

This time in Earth's history will begin what many have described as a new age of enlightenment, literal spiritual awareness, living & consciousness, an age of true human renewal ... back to the origins of what the human race was meant to become.

And; you of planet Earth, you people will determine your own destiny, you will make your own choices... you will determine your future. No one else. But the difference is, from this time forward you, people of planet Earth, now a fourth dimensional race, you will no longer be alone. You will now finally truly be reconnected with your cousins, brothers and sisters across the stars in this vast universe full of sentient, intelligent life.

Usually, in most cases, it's far more fun if you can reconnect with family you haven't seen in a while. It should make this particular reconnection with your relatives... a once in a 'lifetime' experience, and a new beginning, as you on planet Earth begin a whole new & enlightened chapter in your planet's history.

And, you will be able to participate as a trading partner with star systems & planets across the cosmos as Earth joins & becomes part of a far greater galactic federation of planets.

Welcome to the greater family of humanity thriving across the universe.

[Dreamwalker]

question is this James from wingmakers?
which i beleive it is.
wingmakers wrote a book that you can download for free,but only the first part,then you are asked to buy it.
in the book you are able to manifest anything you desire,a character manifests 1 million dollors?
so why ask for a fee?if you are able to do this?
you can also dl music ,paintings,anctent text ect.at a fee?
truth is you wanna help humanity or fatten your bank account ....
truth is your helping no one but yourself......
you want the truth,with fancy dialough and the such,well it,s gonna cost you...

Anyway ... for your *discernment*.Use it or lose it. It's all good.

lose it thanks,got my own path to follow.....

[Dex]

Sounds delightful! But, errrm, my discernment gets snagged on a couple parts.

This implies great suffering:

Once Earth is vibrating in the fourth dimension, Earth's remaining sentient inhabitants...

And why would any galactic-level plan hinge on a date that is totally (and recently) invented (and based on a calendar not even used by all contemporary humans)?

This historic date of 11.11.11 begins the infusion of 4D dimensional energy onto your planet.


a beautiful way of living Sounds lovely. I can sincerely see the appeal. Who wouldn't want that? Another snag for me is that some sources seem to impart some of this kind of information with the instruction that we all must have instant faith in it and that to question it (as any intelligent person would be prone to do) is an act of fear or even aggression. What's motivating all this? My guess is largely wishful thinking and escape fantasies. As manny evidences, also some easy bucks. Fun to think about, but I'll keep it in the realm of imagination and wishful thinking, myself. If this makes me a faithless one, so be it. I am a hopeful one though.

[Calz_Avaretard]

question is this James from wingmakers?



Nope ... different James.

Gilliland is the one who established ECETI Ranch by Trout Lake near Mount Adam in Washington State. Many thousands of people have gone there to witness craft that appear nearly every night.

http://www.eceti.org/

[Krystic]

that message is not from James Gilliland..it is from a very naive person called "tolec" who is very inexperienced when it comes to psychic /spiritual matters...he DOES get his info mainly through dreams,channeling and telepathy etc..I listened to an interview with this "Tolec" character with Alfred Webre where Tolec claimed he was sure that 3 new planets were going to be dragged in to our solar system by benevolent ET's in oct/nov 2011 and we would all see and feel the effects of these planets then...obviously didn't happen

.James Gilliland is also a very well meaning but VERY confused individuaL(I look in on his yahoo group and his ability to discern truth from deception is obviously very low) with a very simplistic view of things who is easily deceived and believes if he sees a UFO(especially at his ranch) it is always one of the good guys,he has been creaming his pants over lights of UFO's in the sky for decades now...he is one of those people who believes if it feels good it is good...negative ET groups have the technology to send frequencies to your heart chakra that feel great and will lsuck you in to receiving their more disturbing frequencies at more sublime levels whhile you conciously open your heart chakra to them...

The ET agendas and spirtiual beings agendas are so much more complex than eother gilliland or Tolec even come close to understanding...this is obvious if you listen to what each has to say and what plays out here on earth...which is seldom what they say

[Jenci]

Not channeled (Dear Ones) though to many it will sound that way.

James will on occasion distribute messages he brings in during deep meditation from the Andromedans. Channeling/meditation = apples/oranges??? Up to you to decide.



Hi Cal, I'm curious. Does James himself make the distinction between messages being channelled and those appearing in meditation?
Jeanette

[Dreamwalker]

so we have another self made Guru.
through meditation he is able to communicate to the ANDROMEDA COUNCIL
with a message for the world.
be with it or lose your chance......
but on further inspection of ECETI site ,all that gets my immediate attention is..BUY NOW..ADD TO CART(AGAIN AND AGAIN).
i understand we all have a living to make,but to advocate nearly eveyrone on the alternative media scene and they will be doing also on their sites,rings hmmm money making scam.
if you have information on ET and the future of our society and planet ,then share it,don,t make from it.

the truth holds no barriers,no creed,no wealth,no heiarchy,
everyone has the right to know.
if you withhold that truth because a person cannot afford to pay,then what are you?
share the knowledge here on NEXUS for free.
stop the advertising for people to make money out of the vulnerbility of others.
if you come here to NEXUS ,trying to enlighten your own pocket,
then i hope the members here will see it and put a stop to it.

[Calz_Avaretard]

Hi Cal, I'm curious. Does James himself make the distinction between messages being channelled and those appearing in meditation?
Jeanette

He wrote a several books going back (at least) twenty years in which he *channeled* an entity. Much of what was written has now come to pass (for what it's worth).

He did not distinguish this time regarding the message brought through but within the last couple months I remember him posting a message from the Andromedans which he specifically pointed out it came through while he was in "deep meditation".

Again ... up to members what that means, if there is a distinction to draw or not, and what if anything, should be taken away from the message.

As a side note ... to those that are not familiar with his "story" he had two NDE's.

I don't remember him ever spelling out what the difference *to him* is between channeling and meditation.

Can be a confusing topic. Some people claim to have "downloads" while in full consciousness. Some have "automatic writing". Some have "visions". Edgar Cayce experience is full of overwhelming documentation of medical information coming through as the "sleeping phrophet".

What do we make of it all?

Up to each is the best answer I know of :)

Cal

[Calz_Avaretard]

so we have another self made Guru.
through meditation he is able to communicate to the ANDROMEDA COUNCIL
with a message for the world.
be with it or lose your chance......
but on further inspection of ECETI site ,all that gets my immediate attention is..BUY NOW..ADD TO CART(AGAIN AND AGAIN).
i understand we all have a living to make,but to advocate nearly eveyrone on the alternative media scene and they will be doing also on their sites,rings hmmm money making scam.
if you have information on ET and the future of our society and planet ,then share it,don,t make from it.

the truth holds no barriers,no creed,no wealth,no heiarchy,
everyone has the right to know.
if you withhold that truth because a person cannot afford to pay,then what are you?
share the knowledge here on NEXUS for free.
stop the advertising for people to make money out of the vulnerbility of others.
if you come here to NEXUS ,trying to enlighten your own pocket,
then i hope the members here will see it and put a stop to it.


I hear ya ... but I don't want to drag this into yet another thread on the merits of monetary exchange for "knowledge". There have been so many (at least on AF). People have most always been compensated for *published* books. Why should it be any different for spiritual material?

I can tell you that there is no charge for those wishing to visit the ranch and experience the craft for themselves. They set up tents on the property (not sure about winter).

He shares a lot of information for free (such as the message in the OP).

[Jenci]

He wrote a several books going back (at least) twenty years in which he *channeled* an entity. Much of what was written has now come to pass (for what it's worth).

He did not distinguish this time regarding the message brought through but within the last couple months I remember him posting a message from the Andromedans which he specifically pointed out it came through while he was in "deep meditation".

Again ... up to members what that means, if there is a distinction to draw or not, and what if anything, should be taken away from the message.

As a side note ... to those that are not familiar with his "story" he had two NDE's.

I don't remember him ever spelling out what the difference *to him* is between channeling and meditation.

Can be a confusing topic. Some people claim to have "downloads" while in full consciousness. Some have "automatic writing". Some have "visions".

What do we make of it all?

Up to each is the best answer I know of :)

Cal

Thanks Cal for posting some of his background.

I try to keep my mind open......it is difficult when being told something we are going into 4D in Jan 2014 though.

I suppose I could either dismiss what he is saying or have a huge 3D party to last the next couple of years to make the most of this dimension. :)


Jeanette

[Dreamwalker]

ok can someone please explain the 3d 4d 5d.
i think i have the jist of it.
we are in the 3d the 4d and 5d are higher frequences.
now who decides who moves on or not?
are we all not equal in the scheme of things?

[Calz_Avaretard]

For those interested here is the first dvd from James from a few years ago (yes I was very happy to pay for it). Been on youtube a long time. Talks about his NDEs and how he came about to set up the Eceti Ranch. Lots of craft footage as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS8jaGsMRh8

[reaver]

Same old bullsh!t... oh but this one is not channeling, even though communication with some entities is taking place. So much collectivist crap with this channeled material... It's really interesting to see that bullsh!t stories have intensified lately, guess the closer to december 2012 the more bullsh!t will spawn.

[Dreamwalker]

i have had a NDE ,the day i was born.
and my message is live your life.
YOUR LIFE.
learn from others,teach others,but be true to yourself.
you can,t go wrong .
i hope.

[Dreamwalker]

ok C alz what are your experiences that ring true for you instead of promoting someone else,s life experiences?

[Calz_Avaretard]

ok C alz what are your experiences that ring true for you instead of promoting someone else,s life experiences?

I have never channeled (never attempted to).

Not much luck with meditation despite lots of attempts usually going for several weeks ending in frustration.

Over the course of my life I have had a number of "psychic" friends ... some quite advanced. Not the same as personal experience but when trust is built in real life relationships it runs deeper than "Gurus" or other external sources.

Do you place more value on the opinions of those you have learned to trust and care for over the years?

[magamud]

Maybe its just about recognizing your local, in space time consciousness? Whatever part of you that does not centralize, gets projected in a duality, in your theatre. You design the narrative...

A scary movie indeed when it becomes para normal.

[magamud]

Para Loga
Para Loga was one among the seven Logas (seven upper worlds) in Ayyavazhi mythology.
Towers of Babel that get us nowhere, except to the brink of death, drama and murder...
What more fantastic pieces of BS can our artistic and intelligent minds think up now?

[reaver]

Not the same as personal experience but when trust is built in real life relationships it runs deeper than "Gurus" or other external sources.
It's the same dynamic with gurus, people build an emotional bridge and start to trust them.



Do you place more value on the opinions of those you have learned to trust and care for over the years?
Why would anyone do it? Just because you care and trust someone that doesn't mean whatever they say is true by default.

[Dreamwalker]

I have never channeled (never attempted to).

Not much luck with meditation despite lots of attempts usually going for several weeks ending in frustration.

Over the course of my life I have had a number of "psychic" friends ... some quite advanced. Not the same as personal experience but when trust is built in real life relationships it runs deeper than "Gurus" or other external sources.

Do you place more value on the opinions of those you have learned to trust and care for over the years?

many people have put their trust and lives in the wrong people.
look at cults and the such,how many people have died believing in somone else,s values and system?
too many to mention.
when i ask you Calz what have you experienced on your life journey,it,s what i mean ,don,t use someone else as a example,use your own experiences.
we each may learn something.

[Calz_Avaretard]

It's the same dynamic with gurus, people build an emotional bridge and start to trust them.

....

Why would anyone do it? Just because you care and trust someone that doesn't mean whatever they say is true by default.

Sure but is not building up trust over the course of time having witness to the accuracy of experiencing first hand certain "truths"? It isn't just a matter of taking someone's word for it based on friendship.

I will give one example.

One of the "psychic" friends I referred to was a 60ish year old woman (at the time of the incident) who didn't know jack about maintaining automobiles. Trying to start her vehicle one evening ... no luck. Would not even turn over. No other vehicle nearby to use for a jump start.

Not a problem (at least for her).

We popped the hood and she placed her hands on the battery for a couple minutes doing the energy thing (she is a Reiki Master but not sure that is what she was doing).

Anyway ... the vehicle started right up.

That was not for show. That was not for money. It was real ... I saw it.

Not something based on trust of the word of a friend.


Cal

[reaver]

Ah the meaning is different now, in the previous context it looked like you were talking about trust as a measurement for authenticity/truth.

[TWINCANS]

Cal, I'd say that was your experience even if you didn't hold your hands over the motor, becuase you experienced the event - in real time, in your presence etc.

BTW, I'd love to agree with this message of your OP, but it's all about the 4D. That's the astral plane in my understanding, and there's no plane I'd less like to spend my time on. It's a nightmare, it's full of disincarnates ie the vampirics. It's not a real dimension, just an offshoot hanging beside our 3D. Plus, after Atlantis the 4D had a hole blown right though it and let in all sorts of vampirics etc. that attached to humans. As attempts were being made to stabilize the earthplane at the lower 3D level (the 'Fall'), a lot of work was done to clear them out, enough so we are only left with 3 or 4 entities in each of our auric fields instead of hundreds.

Also not keen on the AC myself.

[Jenci]

For those interested here is the first dvd from James from a few years ago (yes I was very happy to pay for it). Been on youtube a long time. Talks about his NDEs and how he came about to set up the Eceti Ranch. Lots of craft footage as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS8jaGsMRh8


Thanks Cal, that was interesting.

I was wondering while I was watching it, why where they are based, there are so many UFOs and so many military craft? Is it a co-incidence? Surely the military must know that he is filming there, so why do the military put on a show where the UFOs are?

Or is it close to a military base anyway. I couldn't see anything on the website.
Jeanette

---------- Post added at 17:43 ---------- Previous post was at 17:40 ----------


BTW, I'd love to agree with this message of your OP, but it's all about the 4D. That's the astral plane in my understanding, and there's no plane I'd less like to spend my time on. It's a nightmare, it's full of disincarnates ie the vampirics. It's not a real dimension, just an offshoot hanging beside our 3D.

Lets hope the prediction is wrong then.
Do you know what all the different dimensions are supposed to be?
Jeanette

[Calz_Avaretard]

Thanks Cal, that was interesting.

I was wondering while I was watching it, why where they are based, there are so many UFOs and so many military craft? Is it a co-incidence? Surely the military must know that he is filming there, so why do the military put on a show where the UFOs are?

Or is it close to a military base anyway. I couldn't see anything on the website.
Jeanette

Glad you liked it. Some of the craft in the 10 minute vid posted by Darla were filmed there.

Ranch gets buzzed by military and black helicopters fairly frequently. Why? They show up trailing craft anywhere they can (at least those that are not "ours"). No secret. Lots of high ranking military officials have come to visit in an "unofficial capacity" as well.

Where are the craft from? Some *appear* to go in and out of the mountain ... dimensional thing. So many in that area who knows for sure?

[Jenci]

Glad you liked it. Some of the craft in the 10 minute vid posted by Darla were filmed there.

Ranch gets buzzed by military and black helicopters fairly frequently. Why? They show up trailing craft anywhere they can (at least those that are not "ours"). No secret. Lots of high ranking military officials have come to visit in an "unofficial capacity" as well.

Where are the craft from? Some *appear* to go in and out of the mountain ... dimensional thing. So many in that area who knows for sure?

Exactly, who knows for sure?
Thanks, Cal.
The amount of military there does make me wary but I shall keep an open mind.
Jeanette

[Nexus Moderator]

All the GFL messages and discussions have been merged into this one thread.

Any further "messages" from the GFL group that are posted outside this thread will get merged to this one.
This effort will help keep the discussions surrounding the material from spilling into multiple threads and disrupting normal posting.

Thank you for your understanding

[noxon]

All the GFL messages and discussions have been merged into this one thread.

Any further "messages" from the GFL group that are posted outside this thread will get merged to this one.
This effort will help keep the discussions surrounding the material from spilling into multiple threads and disrupting normal posting.

Thank you for your understanding

Careful, please, Richard .

I know you want to limit the GFL - material
and deny it oxygene here on nexus , and
I can understand, even partly share, your point of view.
But now you are making a mess of things , imo.

In forum index it now says this (new) thread called :
GFL Messages and discussion is started
by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce , and that is
not the case. Originaly its called:
Sheldan Nidle ~ Great and Tumultuous Change ~ December 27, 2011
and is at this point merged with some other threads :
- The Sense of One ~ The Nature of Mystical Experience ~ Julie Redstone (Darla)
- SaLuSa ~ A Vanguard of Lightworkers ~ December 30, 2011 (Darla)
(that one realy got things going ..)
-The Ascension of Humanity ~ Greg Giles ~ December 28, 2011 (Darla)
- Andromedan Message care of James Gilliland (Calz)
( is that also gfl, or same cathegory ?)

The above quoted message from nexus moderator (you, in this case)
will soon drown in the middle of this mixed thread .

If you realy felt the need to do this you should
have started a new thread with the message as
the first post , and merged the original threads into it
with intergity and threadtitles intact .
Original title of all merged threads should be listed in that
first post , updated as new threads are merged in.

You have also changed the title of the thread:
Fantastic Footage of Galactic Federation Lightships!
to now be named :
Fantastic Night Vision Footage of UFOs
( that is not even the correct OP video-title )
http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8307-Fantastic-Night-Vision-Footage-of-UFOs

And again : That is not the thread Darla started
and that sparked such wonderful controversy
and exchange of viewpoint.
Title of the thread was an integrate part of that.
(that goes for all the threads)

I do not see this at all necessary .
And it makes a bit of a mess of the
very interesting debate arising after
Darla started her postings of GFL.

- take it easy.
The phrase "the best forum on the net"
sound hollow now , coming from Avalon.
Make sure the same does not happen
to the "integrity and openness" of nexus.

..
-

nm

[Pintorider]

I don't buy into the "don't attack the messenger" thing, well not in a 100%.


This of course, is not limited to the alt community.

I'm starting to think Ross is right, we have to respect the "messenger" in these communications. I also believe he's correct when he says there are entities involved in channeling. And that's about all there is to it: hungry ghosts. People would be well advised to stay far, far away. But they don't, darn it. Nobody listens to me... :)

[magamud]

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[Pintorider]

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I was trying to make some sort of a "jokey" reply post to this one but couldn't figure out a decent punch line. Bottom line for me is I think all this channeled stuff is deadly poison and while I believe in free speech for humans I don't extend that to these psychopathic leaches from some other dimension.

[VajraYaya]

It's quite astounding the sheer amount of that pollution that Darla posts over there. But she also cross posts all of that to other fora too. She is a very busy girl. Unless she allows her account to be used by a bot or someone else.

Also, go over there and look at some of those articles she posts. Some of them have images, at the tops. Those images are links, some to rather suspicious sites with nothing on them. After the short exchange I had with Knapsack on that other thread yesterday this really raises questions about who she is and what she's doing.

[gratitudeandlove]

who decides who moves on or not?

You do. If you are willing to do some energetic work on yourself. Some little effort is required. Not much.

[Chicodoodoo]

Thread creation should be done with moderation. Flooding the forum with new threads on the same subject from the same member on the same day is definitely not good form. We expect members to moderate themselves at all times with all things, and generally members do this. When they don't, moderators then try to help.

I don't believe the moderators or the members would appreciate anyone creating numerous threads daily on the same subject. I suggest that Darla not repeat the behavior she has demonstrated at Avalon here at Nexus.

By the way, the USGS is also doing this, and I find it annoying (as both a moderator and a member). Is there a way to solve the similar USGS problem?

[Jenci]

Thread creation should be done with moderation. Flooding the forum with new threads on the same subject from the same member on the same day is definitely not good form. We expect members to moderate themselves at all times with all things, and generally members do this. When they don't, moderators then try to help.

I don't believe the moderators or the members would appreciate anyone creating numerous threads daily on the same subject. I suggest that Darla not repeat the behavior she has demonstrated at Avalon here at Nexus.

By the way, the USGS is also doing this, and I find it annoying (as both a moderator and a member). Is there a way to solve the similar USGS problem?

I agree with this and merging those threads together is not a bad idea.

But I don't understand why the thread posted by Cal on James Gilland is in here too. Yes, the content of the message is questionable as to whether it is channelled or not but Cal did not dump and run with it, he actually stuck around to engage in discussion on the OP.

Jeanette

[Ross]

I did not realize there is so much of this stuff: From Avalon....


I’m guessing Darla works alone when posting. She is an elderly Woman from the information available. She has been involved in the Jehovah witness or the Mormon faith, (there seems to be some confusion as to which) and both these groups have a high indoctrination of spreading the word. They are trying to save us and open our eyes, is their understanding. This may well be why she posts large amounts of information.

She totally believes her channellings and those of others, as she has publically noted. She possibly feels she has a duty to fulfil before she is done with this 3d existence and that’s pretty much the guts of it I feel.

I do not think she has a nefarious agenda or works with a group of folk planning on nefarious activities (intentional).
I may be wrong with above but that’s my take on it.

Fortunately here at Nexus, we have enough thinkers and fellow truth-seekers that have been around the block, more than once, and there is little chance that the GLF info will have an impact with indoctrination and enlisting of those who want to believe (no direct experience other than believing another’s word) due to dissemination from members, in case that worries anyone.

By making a group/merged thread for Darla's info, and for others who wish to support the GLF and other channellings is a good idea. It keeps the board cleaner and I for one do not want Nexus becoming an ascension, light-ship arriving, star gate portal-ling, and a love n light fraternity site…due to numerous threads been seen on the main board…but that’s my view of Nexus, some may think otherwise.

In saying that, Darla is welcome here. We have shown her a reasonable amount of civility and there are some that feel we have been abusive towards her, which is not the case. While we do pick a part info that arrives on the board ( and I can be guilty of sarcasm) as a poster you need to have a sense of resilience, and those that decide to post their own beliefs as “the truth” need to understand this.

This world is and has always been in chaos, (human kind) with a ridiculous amount of negative, brutal and barbaric behaviour, it is not all roses and perfume and Darla understand this. She could be more part of this family if she wished too and contribute more than just her “truth”… she may well make some good friends.

We here at Nexus will continue to pull apart any and all info if one feels necessary to do so, and that is a very wise and prudent thing to do in light of the history of information and the continual current flow of information, most of which has been tampered with, and or plain bollocks.

Ross.

[Tamara]

One of the worst websites to promote this BS imho is : http://www.fourwinds10.net/
"My Beloved Ones"
"Obama is a Lightworker"
"Hathor"
"Nesara"
"Suzy Ward and Messages from Matthew"
"The Pleiaides and Arcturians" etc.,
and sad to say MKUltra Mind controlled people like yes....
my brother .........
another heart broken by these bastards! All in the name of Love!
When it hits you directly it hurts badly and then it pisses you off to the extreme.
All that money and time and beautiful minds 'WASTED"
and NO ONE will EVER change my mind about these assholes! EVER!

[lightblue]

One of the worst websites to promote this BS imho is : http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_d...l_channelings/

"My Beloved Ones"
"Obama is a Lightworker"
"Hathor"
"Nesara"
"Suzy Ward and Messages from Matthew"
"The Pleiaides and Arcturians" etc.,
and sad to say MKUltra Mind controlled people like yes....
my brother .........
another heart broken by these bastards! All in the name of Love!
When it hits you directly it hurts badly and then it pisses you off to the extreme.
All that money and time and beautiful minds 'WASTED"
and NO ONE will EVER change my mind about these assholes! EVER!

i am really sorry to hear about your brother tamara...may we know where your bitter understanding originates from..i do share your opinion on this but have not had anyone close to me affected by it...thank you :yu: l

.

[Janos]

We here at Nexus will continue to pull apart any and all info if one feels necessary to do so, and that is a very wise and prudent thing to do in light of the history of information and the continual current flow of information, most of which has been tampered with, and or plain bollocks.

Ross.

HUZZAH!

Couldn't said it better myself lad. :D

[Janos]

SaluSa and His Colleagues The galactics express equal confidence in President Obama. SaLuSa describes President Obama and our future under him: ?We will say again that you have a wonderful soul named Barack Obama, and he is clear in his mind as to what he wants to do given the opportunity. With your continued support he will galvanize people into action, and set the path towards a peaceful world.? *cleans stomach bile off of the computer monitor* Anyone who can state that the current CEO dictator-in-chief is a ?wonderful soul?, has more than a few screws loose. Set a path towards a peaceful world? I?m sorry, is this the same fellow that EXPANDED the war in Iraq after he?d pledged to immediately END it on the campaign trail? That fellow? What about attacking Libya and assassinating Gadaffi. I bet that was a peaceful action as well, eh? ;) Looks like this ?SaLuSa? critter has about exactly ZERO credibility.
He tells us that Obama is the galactics? man, their choice, for the job of leading the ? I can hardly say it ? free world out of bondage to the cabal. ?Great responsibility lies with President Obama to trigger a number of changes that will lead to major ones that provide real answers to your mounting problems. He has our full backing and is as you might say ?our man? and he has as intended emerged at the right time to carry you beyond the plans of the Illuminati.? They support the most unconstitutional, color of law, and freedom-rending individual to ever sit in that office, and this is supposed to encourage us somehow? Where do people get their facts from, the back of Cracker Jack boxes? I mean really, I hate to say it in these terms, but how ungodly STUPID do people have to be to take this as gospel? It?s called ?propaganda?. Some folks might need to break out the dictionary and look that term up. Tell the sheep what they want to hear, and they make less waves. If he?s their choice, it?s an even better reason to stay away from these supposed ?galactics?. More like COINTELPRO funded BS operations. Sorry, not some folks in a spaceship feeding you this drivel. (Though I?m sure there are probably plenty of those?) In this case however, it?s just more of your hard earned tax dollars at work, preying on the weak minded and keeping you busying doing ANYTHING but asking REAL questions about the folks who are supposed to be running things. I could go on, but it?s laughable, really. I hate to say it, but anyone who believes this has to be eminently gullible, or extremely desperate. The basics simply don?t add up. I think this about sums it up:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQKJSdYeXsg

[Chicodoodoo]

GFL support of "wonderful soul" Obama the Presidential Imposter is a dead give-away to me that the whole organization is a scam. That's like a big neon sign that flashes "We're fooling you!" while they whisper in your ear "Trust us."

[Richard]

Has anyone here seen a GFL channeler that was anything other than a white American?
Has there been or is there now a messenger *cringe* from one of our other races?

[Going by]

I’m guessing Darla works alone when posting. She is an elderly Woman from the information available. She has been involved in the Jehovah witness or the Mormon faith, (there seems to be some confusion as to which) and both these groups have a high indoctrination of spreading the word.

I am the one who made the mistake at first, mistaking (very temporarily) the Church of Latter Day Saints for Jehovah witness. They are in fact Mormons which Darla says she is in a web posting.

[Northern Boy]

wow now the GLF want to influence the coming Election what happened to non interference ? oh ya just part of the new Gov`t Obomber is building the one where you have no rights ain`t he wonderful . This alone should wake the GFL followers up but let them dream their dream of Ashtray riding over the ridge to save the day

[Going by]

We will surely all agree on something: a message from one source is at least as worth listening as a message from another source to start with n'est-ce pas?

Well, you have this guy, Marshall Vian Summers, who says that he received non channelled (he was not gone or anything, fully conscious) messages about the coming problems we will have with a hive mentality ETs in which part of humanity is already collaborating, knowingly or unknowingly.

That these ET species that want "to help" the human race only want to help in order to preserve the extreme biological riches, almost unseen anywhere else in the universe, of our planet. Their only target is using our biological diversity for their own purpose and for this, they need us to maintain the planet safe, so that they can exploit it to their advantage and have us working for them.

For this, they do mind control on us on a large scale, will have our genes change so that we become compliant and work to give the ressources to them. Once the planet is plundered, they will let us die off and move elsewhere (doesn't it look like PTB).

They also crossbred units that are almost human, but with much more abilities, that will be our masters on the planet, they will have some human blood like us so they will be accepted by us, they will be resistant to our microbe diversity as well BUT will have the hive mentality of their ETs creators and always work for their ET's parents, never for the human, they are bred to be in this way.

He says our freedom will ge gone and slavery will be in for a very long time if we listen to their sh t, because they can bring us a Savior, they can make us feel loved, they will do whatever is necessary to ensure their hold on the planet.

To me, this message is surely as good as GFL one, if not better since it leaves us with our freedom to chose and leaves us alone to grow by ourselves.


They explain why we should not listen to messages such as GFL ones

Here some extracts:


We come with little time to spare, and yet we come with encouragement for you to share this information. As we have indicated in our previous messages, the world is being infiltrated and the Mental Environment is being conditioned and prepared. The intention is not to eradicate human beings but to employ them, to have them become workers for a greater “collective.” The institutions of the world and most certainly the natural environment are valued, and it is the preference of the visitors that these be preserved for their use. They cannot live here, and so to gain your allegiance, they are employing many of the techniques that we have described. We will continue in our description to clarify these things. .....

From the perspective of your visitors, as we have learned, the United States is considered the world leader, and so the greatest amount of emphasis will be placed here. But other major nations as well will be contacted, for they are recognized to hold power, and power is understood by the visitors, for they follow the dictates of power without question and to a much greater degree than is even apparent in your world.

Attempts will be made to persuade the leaders of the strongest nations to become receptive to the presence of the visitors and to receive gifts and inducements for cooperation with the promise of mutual benefit, and even the promise of world dominion to some. There will be those in the corridors of power in the world who will respond to these inducements, for they will think that there is a great opportunity here to take humanity beyond the specter of nuclear war into a new community upon the earth, a community which they will lead for their own purposes. Yet these leaders are deceived, for they will not be given the keys to this realm. They will simply be the arbiters in the transition of power.
......

The true nature of the alien Intervention is to exert influence and control and eventually to establish dominion here. ...

Humanity has great promise and has cultivated a rich spiritual heritage, but it is without education regarding the Greater Community into which it is emerging. Humanity is divided and contentious within itself, thus making it vulnerable to manipulation and to intrusion from beyond your borders.

.......

So it is your own freedom that you must value and that you must defend. We cannot do this for you.

Every world, if it seeks to establish its own unity, freedom and self-determination in the Greater Community, must establish this freedom and defend it if necessary. Otherwise, domination will certainly occur and will be complete.
...

Clearly, an interbreeding program is an attempt to fuse humanity’s adaptation to the physical world with the visitors’ group mind and collective consciousness. Such offspring would be in a perfect position to provide the new leadership for humanity, a leadership that is born of the visitors’ intentions and the visitors’ campaign. These individuals would have blood relations in the world, and so others would be related to them and accepting of their presence. And yet their minds would not be with you, nor their hearts.

....

We fear that our words may be too late and have too little impact and that the one we chose to receive us has too little assistance and support to make this information available

http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/chapter3-allies-of-humanity.php



To me, all this is as good as any GFL message, if not better, at least in a conspiracy forum, up to you all to decide.

[Jenci]

We fear that our words may be too late and have too little impact and that the one we chose to receive us has too little assistance and support to make this information available

http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/chap...f-humanity.php

They want to save humanity and yet fear their words are too late and have too little impact - so why only channel the message through some bloke no-one's heard of, take a year to do so and only do it in English, so he relies on readers of his website to translate into other languages? This is just nonsense.

So we have George Kavassalis telling us the GLF are the bad guys and the Galactic Light Council are the good guys and this Marshall Vian Summers telling us that the Allies of Humanity are the good guys.

Whichever one we choose to believe we are being doomed to a life of serving ET.

I think all of it has the hallmark of the TPB. It there really was a federation of ETs out there they would be chanelling through someone who was at least believable by many people, like Justin Beiber :)
Jeanette

[Chicodoodoo]

To me, all this is as good as any GFL message, if not better, at least in a conspiracy forum, up to you all to decide.

Thanks for posting this, Going By. This is at least an order of magnitude better than the GFL message. It makes sense, it matches the current human scenario, and it has a realistic, natural "edge" to it. Also, I've noticed that a number of different whistleblowers have mentioned things that corroborate this potentiality.

A few sentences jumped out at me as I read through the link you posted:


There is so much deception in the world that you live in, and in many other worlds as well, that the truth, though apparent and obvious, goes unrecognized, and its signs and messages go undetected.

If you can become informed, then fear is transformed into concern and concern is transformed into constructive action. We know of no other way to describe this.

There are entire teachings being introduced into the world now that teach human acquiescence and the suspension of critical abilities and value only that which is pleasurable and comfortable.

I have been on that very track for quite a few years now. I have been painfully aware of those very symptoms, and I have written about them regularly. I have no real evidence that aliens are behind all this, but our conundrum has always had a very non-human quality to it. Humans have empathy for each other, and what is being fostered upon us definitely does not have empathy behind it. It goes against what we are -- it devalues us, it degrades us, and it enslaves us. I want no part of it. I am compelled to resist it. I am driven to understand it. I am not afraid of it, rather I am deeply concerned, and I am looking for ways to take action.

So, I hate to say it, because the expression has always annoyed me, but this "resonates" with me. Naturally, this makes me very suspicious, given the number of fruit loops I have witnessed saying the very same thing to the most mindless drivel imaginable.

Somebody slap me.

In the meantime, I will investigate further.

[Tamara]

cointelpro
mkultra
on and on...

---------- Post added at 00:46 ---------- Previous post was at 00:43 ----------

Unfortunately, it won't.
I is for Israel, I is for 'I AM' , I is for all these people being suckered and eventually betrayed.
I is 'America'

And 'we the people' are their 'PETS'
woof woof !

; (

[Tamara]

No Richard

I have not.

I feel in my gut
it is in our blood
rh neg vs rh postive.... and therebetween.
They are a cult ..

[Fred Steeves]

GFL support of "wonderful soul" Obama the Presidential Imposter is a dead give-away to me that the whole organization is a scam. That's like a big neon sign that flashes "We're fooling you!" while they whisper in your ear "Trust us."

Yeah Chico, that's kind of a dead give away isn't it? I used to review their stuff with some passing interest, until out of the blue during one message they came out in favor of Obama's health care plan during that whole hubub. I was like WHAT? What POSSIBLE interest would an advanced alien race that's supposedly here to save us have in getting involved in our politics?

[Jenci]

Yeah Chico, that's kind of a dead give away isn't it? I used to review their stuff with some passing interest, until out of the blue during one message they came out in favor of Obama's health care plan during that whole hubub. I was like WHAT? What POSSIBLE interest would an advanced alien race that's supposedly here to save us have in getting involved in our politics?

Ah, well this explains the problem about Obama not having a birth certificate and past. He grew up on the Federation's mothership.:smile:

The messages themselves are very American. You would have thought if they were from a "galactic" group, they would have a more world view flavour to them.
Jeanette

[Charles]

In looking at this GFL material that is spread like thick peanut butter everywhere, I found it is equally hard to swallow and digest. It feels political, racial, and scripted to describe it in short. This is only my opinion and it is not my intention to force it upon anyone, GFL has a cult like look and feel to it.

[Tamara]

But, 'O' has a plan and not a light and love one imo
Who knows how many and just which groups are behind this mindcontrol bs? And, I've rarely seen a GLF', etc., lover wake up...ugh!latter day saints isn't /mormon....? it IS all about blood, sounds kinda like the queen B of Brittan.)

It IS a cult, like COS, so hang on.

[Tamara]

Darla is in a lotta web/ning postings *her own making,,,, one of them 'the rich and famous' found that out when she 1st appeared on the PA forum scene. But she surely comes across as a nice an peaceful woman, until u figure she is mind fkd by GFL and others......sad...........it is a cult.

[Going by]

They want to save humanity and yet fear their words are too late and have too little impact - so why only channel the message through some bloke no-one's heard of, take a year to do so and only do it in English, so he relies on readers of his website to translate into other languages? This is just nonsense.

So we have George Kavassalis telling us the GLF are the bad guys and the Galactic Light Council are the good guys and this Marshall Vian Summers telling us that the Allies of Humanity are the good guys.

Whichever one we choose to believe we are being doomed to a life of serving ET.

I think all of it has the hallmark of the TPB. It there really was a federation of ETs out there they would be chanelling through someone who was at least believable by many people, like Justin Beiber :)
Jeanette

Your last referral to believability like Just in Beaver (beaver: Canadian emblem) is absolutely hilarious.

You got my point, whichever way you are looking at it, it is a question of belief. Who are you going to believe and give your life to? Who's slave are you ?

Summers made at least a good point: believe in yourself period. Get rid of everybody (meaning Aliens) and take charge of yourself as a race (he says that the Allies are not going to get involved at all but will only support as advisers, from afar, never directly involved). Decide which values are worth your life, is freedom the main one, and act on it. He says that spriritual inner individual development is the key to counteract the vast realm of negative space (this is my paraphrasing with my own twist of course).

Well: I go for believe in yourself, take charge, have freedom as a main value and develop spiritually to see the truth clearly. As for the rest....

[magamud]

Good points Going by,
In a possible realm where consciousness is matter, perspectives such as Freedom and spirituality take on new points of view. Which Master do you serve? And Freedom from what?

[reaver]

"Love & light" people want freedom from freedom.

[magamud]

I just saw the Lord Sidious new approved website. It appears even the smartest of us can be taken for a ride...

Ishtars Gate..
http://ishtarsgate.com/forum/forum.php
Ishtars Bio:
Ishtar Babilu Dingir
Former Sunday Times journalist and now a shaman and healer, Ishtar is the creator of Ishtar's Gate and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
She's also the author of Lord of the Dance, a book about life in India with the late Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
Ishtars Book:
http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/lord-of-the-dance-by-ishtar/

Sri Sathya Sai Baba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba

[Jenci]

Summers made at least a good point: believe in yourself period.

Hi GB, I agree too, this has to be about us and we can't look to anybody outside of ourselves for the answers. It's our own development and growth.



(he says that the Allies are not going to get involved at all but will only support as advisers, from afar, never directly involved).
Although he says it has to be about us, he is still promoting a group of ETs somewhere up there looking out for us. It may be more subtle than the GLF but the suggestion is still there.

It's one thing to say that you are on your own you have to save yourself and another to say you are on your own, you have to save yourself but there is a group of ETs watching over you.

If you are frightened you are still going to be putting hope in ET saving you because the suggestion has been planted.

I think your English is good....you should see my French, lol.
Jeanette

[Dreamwalker]

"Love & light" people want freedom from freedom.

people are looking for answers,they are awakening from their bubble.
only problem is that their are many people and organastions that want to expliot the persons yearning for the truth!
their are so many out there,that it is ho so easy to be dragged down a fox hole instead of digging your own rabbit hole.
im sure most of us have nearly bought into something that (they the forum,group)had all the answers that you wanted to hear.
so just becareful on who you trust!
with love and may the light shine a clear path for you

[lightblue]

I just saw the Lord Sidious new approved website. It appears even the smartest of us can be taken for a ride...

Ishtars Gate..
http://ishtarsgate.com/forum/forum.php
Ishtars Bio:
Ishtar Babilu Dingir
Former Sunday Times journalist and now a shaman and healer, Ishtar is the creator of Ishtar's Gate and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
She's also the author of Lord of the Dance, a book about life in India with the late Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
Ishtars Book:
http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/lord-of-the-dance-by-ishtar/

Sri Sathya Sai Baba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba


.once you go black you don't go back.. be a dear and .give us a break ..:stop: l

.

[magamud]

.once you go black you don't go back.. be a dear and .give us a break ..:stop: l

.

Should this be on the Joke Thread? lol

[lightblue]

Should this be on the Joke Thread? lol

no, i meant it seriously...my understanding is that all this babylonian, annunaki, ishtar shamanic healing is relying on black realms....and once you go that way there's no U turning - it is where you kept captive for rewards.....:crazy_pilot: l

[VajraYaya]

I just saw the Lord Sidious new approved website. It appears even the smartest of us can be taken for a ride...

Ishtars Gate..
http://ishtarsgate.com/forum/forum.php
Ishtars Bio:
Ishtar Babilu Dingir
Former Sunday Times journalist and now a shaman and healer, Ishtar is the creator of Ishtar's Gate and the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
She's also the author of Lord of the Dance, a book about life in India with the late Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
Ishtars Book:
http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/lor...nce-by-ishtar/

Sri Sathya Sai Baba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba

Very interesting.. It seems that phase 3 of Lord Sidiot's operation to destroy Avalon is underway. His challenge now will be to capitalize on all that Avalon fear and repression and make his an increasingly comfortable place for his 'followers'. That will be an interesting microcosm to watch for examples of disinformation, forum steering and mind control both subtle and overt. He has demonstrated quite a mastery of it. To all here that are going to be active over there.. Careful, don't be too quick to join in with the sycophants there to lick Sidiot's virtual boots. Sharpen your discerning eye.

[magamud]

I just cant believed he joined that site when the GFL, Zen Buddhism, Eastern Religious Archetypes, New Age iconoclasm are under such scrutiny. Bad timing I guess...
And he cant give us some dialogue here?

Hes snugged himself in his Law thread while the place is permeating New Ageism ideas. He gave the thumbs up to one going into Oblivion with "I am Unconditional Love!". :fans:
I dont want to think where thats going...

[Ross]

I just cant believed he joined that site when the GFL, Zen Buddhism, Eastern Religious Archetypes, New Age iconoclasm are under such scrutiny. Bad timing I guess...
And he cant give us some dialogue here?

Hes snugged himself in his Law thread while the place is permeating New Ageism ideas. He gave the thumbs up to one going into Oblivion with "I am Unconditional Love!". :fans:
I dont want to think where thats going...

Ishtars Gate has been dormant for around 6 months and was given to Rob (sid) I spoke with him yesterday helping him with Vbulletin issues so he can get the site sorted. Don't be to quick to judge or jump to conclusions as to what this site will offer.

Ross

[noxon]

I visited Ishtars gate earlier today out of curiosity , after I heard it was Sids new home ,
and without going too deep into it , it looked very much like a place in the making .
So who knows what it looks like in half a year .

On the way out I did catcht this little note on the forum front:
Welcome to our newest member :
Darla Ken Jensen Pearce ....

(thought that could be relevant here)

Maybe she found a home at last , or just another copy-paste-place .
Time will show .

nm

[Tamara]

Yep, that was one of the first things I noticed too, couldn't be helped it seemed.
; )

I visited Ishtars gate earlier today out of curiosity , after I heard it was Sids new home ,
and without going too deep into it , it looked very much like a place in the making .
So who knows what it looks like in half a year .

On the way out I did catch this little note on the forum front:
Welcome to our newest member :
Darla Ken Jensen Pearce ....


(thought that could be relevant here)

nm

[lightblue]

I just cant believed he joined that site when the GFL, Zen Buddhism, Eastern Religious Archetypes, New Age iconoclasm are under such scrutiny. Bad timing I guess...
And he cant give us some dialogue here?

Hes snugged himself in his Law thread while the place is permeating New Ageism ideas. He gave the thumbs up to one going into Oblivion with "I am Unconditional Love!". :fans:
I dont want to think where thats going...
you felt compelled to post a link to ishtar's apparently, even though in negative terms...what were your reasons? thank you l



ross: ishtars Gate has been dormant for around 6 months and was given to Rob (sid) I spoke with him yesterday helping him with Vbulletin issues so he can get the site sorted. Don't be to quick to judge or jump to conclusions as to what this site will offer.

Ross
ross may we know, could you post links to at least 2-3 entries by this person you are wishing to help with his website, where we can learn abut his talent of discernment or wisdom :blink:..anything to help me understand why the fascination and positive expectation...thank you l

post update-----------


I visited Ishtars gate earlier today out of curiosity , after I heard it was Sids new home ,
and without going too deep into it , it looked very much like a place in the making .
So who knows what it looks like in half a year .

On the way out I did catcht this little note on the forum front:
Welcome to our newest member :
Darla Ken Jensen Pearce ....

(thought that could be relevant here)

nm

accoding to what i've read and darla's recent posts here, darla is a mere beginner (just passing messages on) compared to ishtar who in words of her spiritual guides was a godess..in ishtars' own words herself is now a shaman.....from godess to a shaman - strange progression indeed..... :rofl:

:crazy_pilot:

[Ross]

you felt compelled to post a link to ishtar's apparently, even though in negative terms...what were your reasons? thank you l



ross may we know, could you post links to at least 2-3 entries by this person you are wishing to help with his website, where we can learn abut his talent of discernment or wisdom :blink:..anything to help me understand why the fascination and positive expectation...thank you l
:crazy_pilot:

Well, you have a very strange way with your choice of words there LB..."wishing to help with his website"...and you got that from me saying "I spoke with him yesterday helping him with Vbulletin issues so he can get the site sorted"...

He skyped me yesterday, as a newbie to VB software, he asked how to navigate around it so he can change the set-up to his liking. I sent him a "VB manual" link and help with the menu navigation. So you see? not helping with his website as you seem to refer, instead helping with VB. You dont read to well at times.

As for,
could you post links to at least 2-3 entries by this person ummm...are you blind and lazy there LB? when you posted
you felt compelled to post a link to ishtar's so...cant you look for yourself? whats with that? the link will provide you with
anything to help me understand why the fascination and positive expectation as you wrote...

Geez...

Ross

[lightblue]

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Well, you have a very strange way with your choice of words there LB..."wishing to help with his website"...and you got that from me saying "I spoke with him yesterday helping him with Vbulletin issues so he can get the site sorted"...

He skyped me yesterday, as a newbie to VB software, he asked how to navigate around it so he can change the set-up to his liking. I sent him a "VB manual" link and help with the menu navigation. So you see? not helping with his website as you seem to refer, instead helping with VB. You dont read to well at times.

As for, ummm...are you blind and lazy there LB? when you posted so...cant you look for yourself? whats with that? so you can find out as you wrote...

Geez...

Ross


"
ross Well, you have a very strange way with your choice of words there LB..."wishing to help with his website"...and you got that from me saying "I spoke with him yesterday helping him with Vbulletin issues so he can get the site sorted"...

ross: helping him with Vbulletin issues so he can get the site sorted"

lb: "wishing to help with his website"


how exactly do the red and blue statement differ in their meaning? i do not worry much about your estimation of my style, choice of words that is..and i wish you stopped worrying about it...
now please explain this before giving me a break...maybe put me on your ignore list, but please do stop giving me the BS, instead do explain what i am asking you to.. thanks very much. :crazy_pilot: l

post update--------

ross: so...cant you look for yourself? whats with that? the link will provide you with

just tell me where and i'll look it up myself...thanks again...

.

[Ross]

ross: helping him with Vbulletin issues so he can get the site sorted"

and:


lb "wishing to help with his website"

He asked for my help with VB modules and menus, not the site. I did not sit here and wish to help, I helped when asked....

I dont have the time nor patience for your pedantic innuedo assumptions. Give it break and go look for your self.

Ross

[Tamara]

Just a heads up...
what does it say below
"mind control" ?

ps She (DKJP) is not a beginner, no way, no how.
And I know you are not 'controlled' Ross., and I like u just the way you are. ; )

[lightblue]

and:



He asked for my help with VB modules and menus, not the site. I did not sit here and wish to help, I helped when asked....

I dont have the time nor patience for your pedantic innuedo assumptions. Give it break and go look for your self.

Ross

ross, i did hope you'd understand i am not a technical person and have never admined any websites. .. there is no pedantic innuendo (whatever you meant by that) coming from my end whatsoever - instead, it seems to be arriving from yours...i.e. i may have made an error in equating "helping with website" and "helping with Vbulliten" but you still don't explain what the fine difference is ... you imply there is and this is what i see as pedantic... but i appreciate you've no patience to help with that.... thanks anyway...

if not yourself, maybe someone else here can explain the fine difference.. :crazy_pilot: l

[Jenci]

I don't see anything with wrong with Ross helping out Sid like this.

I've signed up for the website. There's a lot of topics I'm not interested in but I would guess that the membership is more likely to dictate the topics more so than the titles of the sections.

Only time will tell but the advice about a discerning eye, is the best advice. :)

And yes they have a section for channelled information. I'm not sure how else a forum would get around this. If they were banned, they would probably end up sneaking in disguise and cause more harm than lumping them all together under the heading channelled information.

Jeanette

[Heretic]

if not yourself, maybe someone else here can explain the fine difference.

it is similar to the difference of helping someone with having a functioning car, and in turn a job which is gained with reliable transportation, the kind of effort made my friends or family and not acquaintances, to go that extra distance to make sure all is well

"help with the car"

as opposed to just sending them a manual on how the car works so they can fix it themselves upon being asked questions about the engine

"help him fix the car, with advice"

if I understood correctly, Ross just offered advice, not time and energy, nor took any part in the deconstruction or construction of the website itself, just advice on the software that is the forum software itself (vBulliten) by offering him links to the software manual

the fact that this requires 2-3 reference links to qualify (for you) the discernment or wisdom capabilities of the recipient of this small bit of help, in your eyes as a worthy endeavor or not is the question, so maybe there was a perceived assumption that Ross owed you and explanation or whether if it was any of your business in the first place, to have to go out and collect links and prove to you, whatever proof you were going to gain by the disclosing of such links so that it fit your standards or not, as per your judgment

I feel that this is where the innuendo was perceived, as if you are questioning Ross's role in this small thing as some form of betrayal or being perceived as a dual forum roll as a Admin here and consultant for LS in some official capacity and in so having made such a choice, then there must be some justification of Ross seeing this as a place of promise in the future, which could be represented with such an example of 2-3 links for your perusal to judge for yourself

er...um...I think, anyways...you yourself said that someone else shared the link to his site so you had the link to go there for yourself to find your own answers instead of having Ross "fetch"

anyway...hope this helps

[Fred Steeves]

Very interesting.. It seems that phase 3 of Lord Sidiot's operation to destroy Avalon is underway. His challenge now will be to capitalize on all that Avalon fear and repression and make his an increasingly comfortable place for his 'followers'. That will be an interesting microcosm to watch for examples of disinformation, forum steering and mind control both subtle and overt. He has demonstrated quite a mastery of it. To all here that are going to be active over there.. Careful, don't be too quick to join in with the sycophants there to lick Sidiot's virtual boots. Sharpen your discerning eye.

What's with the third grade mentality of altering a name(Sidiot) to produce a petty insult? REALLY? Besides, if this were indeed true, considering the hatred of Bill Ryan here, wouldn't it be cause for popping some champaigne corks?

Anyway, contrary to popular belief Avalon is not totally comprised of boot licking sycophants, with some looking for new boots. Like I've said before, I DO think that ship in going down, and naturally the independent minded folks will be looking for a lifeboat. Do you really think they would be inclined to come aboard Nexus with talk like this?

If you want Nexus to remain a little gated community of those who are on the "right path", just keep attacking the "others". Works every time it's tried.

[linz2d]

The only thing I tend to dislike about Lord Sid is that he does have the third grade mentality of calling everyone nuggets... However I do not see anything wrong with him being an admin on a forum, I actually think he has the making of a good admin if only he held back on using the word "nugget".

[noxon]

I think you are a bit unfair to this community Fred S.
The "hatred" (strong word) towards Bill Ryan is voiced
by a couple of individuals (allthough loud and clear)
and is not a general nexus-attitude, in my view.
I certainly do not subscribe to that, like most people here.

A dominating character like Lord Sidious will probably come
into conflict with management at any forum , and is better
off with one he can manage himself.

If I were Rob (Sid) I would have lost the silly name in the process,
but it is his "brand" now , and so he seems stuck with it .
I wish them the best .
Personaly I can not spread myself on too many forums ,
so I will stay here , and hope nexus continue to
develope well .

I agree that generaly we (as forum and persons) should not
let negative views on external phenomena shape our identity.
And thanks for reminding us of that important lesson.

nm

[flower]

If you want Nexus to remain a little gated community of those who are on the "right path", just keep attacking the "others". Works every time it's tried.

You seem to define a whole lot of people by the actions of a few.

Perhaps you feel thats what they are doing to others and you must react with the same tactics?

Please people...

Name calling reduces ANY validity of any ones post..

But...

Lord Sid seems to be part of a game... that many here are leaving behind them..

I hope Lord Sid finds love...or maybe love finds him.

These petty arguments are getting no where..

If we fight each other... we are not fighting the true enemy

[magamud]

Geez I was just trying to Bait the guy into conversation or perhaps even more. Its a good way sometimes, to ensure im not living in a glass house...

[Going by]

"Love & light" people want freedom from freedom.

Dry humour will always be yours Reaver, unless...... were you serious?.... lol

You are right love and light people want freedom from freedom... in other words, they often do not know what they are talking about or asking for. On the other hand, I would say that 90% of the time, for whichever reason (PTB, own hang ups, manipulations of self by self or others, lack of development), we are not free. In fact, we are on earth having to go by the physical laws of this planet and its solar system to start with, then the artificial laws of psychopaths.

Freedom, in my thinking/feeling, comes from the rights and abilities to fully express one's true nature in terms of earthly spirituality, without impediment, from bottom to top (yes I am aware of what this means for psychopaths - my take is if we were really free inside, psychopaths would have no more hold on us).

As for the GFL claims as well as Marshall Vian Summers' ones, my point was to show that claims of being helpers of humanity, from aliens or entities, should always be taken with a grain of salt. Ultimately, we are the only ones, individually, who can truly understand what we are dealing with. One claim worths the other, awakening and discernment are paramount with much higher intelligence - otherwise we can be told and made to belief about anything.

Please note: earthly spirituality: I mean we are presently earhbound physically. Therefore spirituality has to reflect itself on earth as such, through physicality.

[Going by]

Good points Going by,
In a possible realm where consciousness is matter, perspectives such as Freedom and spirituality take on new points of view. Which Master do you serve? And Freedom from what?

It is consciousness in matter Magamud. I am supposed to be or become a natural master, nobody has to be served. FReedom from what? i think the answer if from myself first and from influences meant to slow down or stop natural evolution in a free, sponsorising environment, by letting things evolved as they were meant to.

No need to tell that this seems quite different than the control that is trying to take hold of this planet as a whole. imho

[reaver]

Time to give some slaps.


What's with the third grade mentality of altering a name(Sidiot) to produce a petty insult? REALLY? Besides, if this were indeed true, considering the hatred of Bill Ryan here, wouldn't it be cause for popping some champaigne corks?
Looks like some here are suspicious of Sid, I really don't know the story with the guy so I won't say if he's a crook or not, at least for the time being. But I mean you almost went nuts as if the "insult" was directed at you. What's even more interesting is that Vajra used the "insult" in a particular context and there seems to be a background to it, so the insult was not used just for the sake of it.


Anyway, contrary to popular belief Avalon is not totally comprised of boot licking sycophants, with some looking for new boots. Like I've said before, I DO think that ship in going down, and naturally the independent minded folks will be looking for a lifeboat.
Oh Fred, you have to accomodate other people's posts so that you can play shinny knight, no?. Vajra was not even talking about Avalon, but your emotionally driven responses are stronger than your reason, but hey look, I'll contemplate the possibility that you misread the post, it has happenned to me before and I have fvcked up royally because of it.


Do you really think they would be inclined to come aboard Nexus with talk like this?

Do you think members here are desperate to provide a virtual shelter to those with broken expectations? What should be offered then? talks with "higher language"? Would you like some tea, sir?. Come on, Fred. The forum is not focused on these kind of things, but you do seem to be focused on them for the most part.



If you want Nexus to remain a little gated community of those who are on the "right path", just keep attacking the "others". Works every time it's tried.
My my, the voice of the voiceless in his political correctness crusade. When you were acting like a shinny knight for Darla, it was pointed out to you why it was done. You proposed she was being attacked, victimized by some members... counter proposals were offered and what did you do? you crawled under a rock. You have been bitching about the need for material which raises consciousness, I pointed out some threads for you... what did you do? you crawled under a rock once more. So Fred what the fu ck are you on about? you want to play shinning knight? or are you going to engage in discussions which are aimed at raising consciousness? I mean apart from some input in a thread concerning Ron Paul, I don't see you making much effort to raise consciousness, Fred.

So there it is, I'm calling you out, because I feel you thrive on opportunities to act as a crusader for political correctness, as a crusader of morality and example... yet you fail miserably in the latter. So, are you going to offer a counter proposal for this reply of mine? or are you going to crawl back to your rock?

[Jenci]

My my, the voice of the voiceless in his political correctness crusade. When you were acting like a shinny knight for Darla, it was pointed out to you why it was done. You proposed she was being attacked, victimized by some members... counter proposals were offered and what did you do? you crawled under a rock. You have been bitching about the need for material which raises consciousness, I pointed out some threads for you... what did you do? you crawled under a rock once more

Hi Reaver.

How about two sides have two very different opinions in an argument and both sides express their opinion and neither are going to agree. Does the argument need to continue? Particulary if one side is outnumbered, why wouldn't they step out of the argument. That's not crawling under a rock.

We all have the right to express ourselves here but for the sake of the bigger picture we sure need to recognise when there is nothing future to add and move on.

We can all have different perceptions, I actually think that Fred has contributed here to raising consciousness on this forum.
Jeanette

[magamud]

Hi Reaver.

How about two sides have two very different opinions in an argument and both sides express their opinion and neither are going to agree.
I thought the argument was closing the Gap
Does the argument need to continue?
For sure if we are getting to the truth.
Particulary if one side is outnumbered
Which person is outnumbered here?
, why wouldn't they step out of the argument. That's not crawling under a rock.

We all have the right to express ourselves here but for the sake of the bigger picture we sure need to recognise when there is nothing future to add and move on.
For the Sake of Reason we should continue on.
We can all have different perceptions, I actually think that Fred has contributed here to raising consciousness on this forum.
This interaction is raising consciousness
Jeanette

A testament to Man's courage in general?

[Amerillo]

We all have the right to express ourselves here but for the sake of the bigger picture we sure need to recognise when there is nothing future to add and move on.

Yes, why bother? We're are all one. Let's move on brothers and sisters at Nexus ... :no:

[reaver]

@Jenci

This could very well become a vicious cycle, I'm aware of it. I'm not saying Fred shouldn't speak for whoever he feels like, but when he constantly keeps saying people here are victimizing others despite the explanations given to him for such behaviour... it leads me to think he thrives on it. You see I'm sensing a dynamic where comparmentalization is surfacing, now I could be dead wrong, if I'm proven to be so, then I'll accept it and proceed accordingly. I see Fred stating this forum is about "the only right path", even tough there are many threads focused on open discussion... yet he doesn't give any input or he is too lazy to surf the forum. Not saying he should do it, but for someone who is tired of the current "ostracizing" attitude of the forum, he certainly lacks initiative.


Particulary if one side is outnumbered, why wouldn't they step out of the argument.
I'm talking about individual dynamics here, Fred challenged some people's attitude... in return he was offered proposals, even asked to point out where the attacks where. His answer? silence. It's not like 50 members were throwing punches at him. What's with challenging someone else's view or attitude if you are just going to ignore the answer you get? And this is not a one time incident. But it is convenient to use the idea of being overwhelmed or outnumbered just to avoid the matter altogether and keep the perception of being right safe.

[flower]

I like fred..

frankly i like all of you..

very few people i meet .. i "dislike"

some fill me with odd energy... but that says more about me then them

Perceptions ... .. are misleading....

[reaver]

Looks that I did some fvck up of my own:


Oh Fred, you have to accomodate other people's posts so that you can play shinny knight, no?. Vajra was not even talking about Avalon, but your emotionally driven responses are stronger than your reason, but hey look, I'll contemplate the possibility that you misread the post, it has happenned to me before and I have fvcked up royally because of it.

Apparently Avalon was the subject, apologies on this one. Looks like I only messed up there.

[Jenci]

This could very well become a vicious cycle, I'm aware of it. I'm not saying Fred shouldn't speak for whoever he feels like, but when he constantly keeps saying people here are victimizing others despite the explanations given to him for such behaviour... it leads me to think he thrives on it. You see I'm sensing a dynamic where comparmentalization is surfacing, now I could be dead wrong, if I'm proven to be so, then I'll accept it and proceed accordingly.

All of us see things in other people that they cannot see in themselves. If we feel they would benefit from learning from us, then we could call them out on what we see their problem is. Or we could coax them out. Personally I think the latter is more effective.

I can't say I agree with what you see about Fred, but I can see why you would want to discuss what you perceive. What comes to mind here is what my Mum always used to say to me when I was growing up and it used to irritate the hell out of me....but I am going to say it now "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."



I'm talking about individual dynamics here, Fred challenged some people's attitude... in return he was offered proposals, even asked to point out where the attacks where. His answer? silence. It's not like 50 members were throwing punches at him. What's with challenging someone else's view or attitude if you are just going to ignore the answer you get?
It's not the amount of people it's the point about majority. If you think the majority of people don't share your view, then why not step out of the discussion. I would do this.


But it is convinent to use the idea of being overwhelmed or outnumbered just to avoid the matter altogether and keep the perception of being right safe.
It's not about keeping the perception of being right safe. It's about expressing an opinion which you believe to be right but recognising when you are not going to benefit the discussion by continuing.

We are all here to learn and grow and because of that, all of us can teach. But we don't know what is going on with other people and we can only guess at what motivates them to do what they do. People's responses on this forum are only a tiny fraction of what is going on in their lives. So we can't assume that being overwhelmed or outnumbered is why they behave the way they do.

I think you are very intelligent and perceptive and you have made me question some things that I had convinced myself was true.
I also value what Fred has to say and he has made me questions some things I had convinced myself was true.
I like to see you both posting here on this forum.
Jeanette

[Jenci]

I thought the argument was closing the Gap

I think a lot of time we do close the gap, Mags, but we are surely not always going to close the gap. Agree to disagree. Even what seems like a gap, may not be a gap at some point in the future. Sometimes things happen where we can change our point of view.
Many times I have gone back to people after considerable time has passed and told them that only now I can see their point of view.


This interaction is raising consciousness
Yes, this too. It's all energetic movement in consciousness, even the arguing.
If we all agreed, we would all be stuck.
And most likely, all stuck in the wrong place :)
Jeanette

[Chicodoodoo]

Besides, if this were indeed true, considering the hatred of Bill Ryan here, wouldn't it be cause for popping some champaigne corks?

It's important to distinguish between a hatred for Bill Ryan and justified criticism for what Bill Ryan is guilty of perpetrating. I am among the first to criticize Bill Ryan's blatant hypocrisy of censoring others while highlighting whistle-blowers that the PTB are allegedly censoring. I don't hate Bill Ryan, but I hate some of the things he does. Whereas others, like yourself, want "negativity" swept under the rug, I see such actions as empowering the hypocrites by hiding their crimes. They would like nothing better than to have their crimes hidden, and by contributing to that goal, you become an unwitting accessory to their crimes.

Attacking "others" is necessary when "others" are criminals preying on the unsuspecting and ignorant. Justice cannot exist otherwise.

[Black Panther]

i have had a NDE ,the day i was born.
and my message is live your life.
YOUR LIFE.
learn from others,teach others,but be true to yourself.
you can,t go wrong .


That's something we all have to write down
and look at it everyday we wake up :thank_you2:

[reaver]

It's not the amount of people it's the point about majority. If you think the majority of people don't share your view, then why not step out of the discussion. I would do this.

I can understand it and it applies to an extent, there may come a point where you find a dead end. But in this particular case it goes beyond a mere exchange of ideas, since Fred has called out some people on similar issues more than once, I'd go as far as to say that amiable responses were offered to him (not so much on my end since I'm more of an asshole). He has gone to the extent of saying the forum is more about debunking and ostracizing different views and you know, that's his view and it's fine, but he has been offered counter proposals, which are aimed at discussing the matter... he didn't pay any mind. He has done this more than once, so I get suspicious and think he's using hit & run tactics.


It's not about keeping the perception of being right safe. It's about expressing an opinion which you believe to be right but recognising when you are not going to benefit the discussion by continuing.
Again, I'm touching a particular case... Why wouldn't anyone benefit from it? In a sense I think is a mini reflection on the practice of dissecting truth... Fred thinks the forum is ostracizing views along with others... some think they are exaggerating... where's the synthesis in all of this? Of course there can be no benefits if you issue a challenge and then back out from the counter proposal because you just feel you are not going to benefit... no risk, no gain, right?. Ok I took it to a broader context in the end.


People's responses on this forum are only a tiny fraction of what is going on in their lives. So we can't assume that being overwhelmed or outnumbered is why they behave the way they do.

I thought you were stating Fred was ignoring the counter arguments because he found himself outnumbered? :blink:

Now is not that I want to put Fred on a cross, I really don't have an obsession. I'm just trying to get some contrast here.

[Northern Boy]

the title of this song is exactly what I believe the GFL are all about



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlmoOnZS8xI

[Amerillo]

Nice to see this ongoing discussion between Reaver and Jeannette about Fred, but where does Fred himself stand in all this?

[pillaroflight]

Hey everyone, this just in!


We Are Here ~ All is Ready ~ Stay Tuned ~ Greg Giles ~ January 14, 2012

News stories will begin to trickle through to the viewing public concerning matters which we have already discussed with many of you concerning our presence in your skies and of matters concerning your governments and financial systems. Soon, all truths will be quickly and efficiently shared with you concerning all matters of your world, but for now, just a slight crack in the wall of secrecy will allow pinholes of light to begin to shine through. We are here. Many of you already are quite aware of this fact. With the cooperation of some of your media outlets, considerably more of your world will learn of our presence and begin to question why we are here at this time and what this has to do with the year and prophecies of 2012. Pieces will begin to snap together, and soon a picture will begin to emerge from all the scrambled information. It will not take long for many of your forward thinkers to see that incredible changes to your civilization are at hand. Please see to it that many of the missing pieces to the puzzle are offered to help them see the entire landscape before them. This is your task.

Many at this time are asking how they can assist the Galactic Federation, the Ashtar Command, and our Earth allies. We tell you again to share the news of our presence. Soon, all will see that you spoke the truth and that you were a leader of your fellow man. There will be those who scoff. There will be those who disbelieve and ridicule, but in the end there is only one truth in this regard. We are here, and we are not leaving until our job is completed and humanity and its living planet are escorted into the higher realms where they have long belonged. This is our mission. This is our purpose here at this time. See to it your brothers and sisters become at least aware of the possibility of extraterrestrial life so as to lessen the blow of our announcements that will begin soon.

Final preparations have already been made throughout the Galactic fleets. We are poised and ready for the commencement of the initial phases of the operation that will entail several successive maneuvers. Initial broadcasts of our presence are just the beginning. Much must be accomplished in a very short period of time, and therefore events will quickly transpire like rapidly falling dominoes. We are anxious to begin these phases of our mission, and we are all highly trained in each of our specific assignments. Many of you have never before experienced the machinelike precision of such a large undertaking before, but you will witness these operations being handled quickly and smoothly by highly trained and capable personnel. Each of us has undergone extensive training in our particular fields to be of service to you, humanity, at this time and we are very eager to put all of our efforts to good use. To see the smiles on so many of your shining faces when you see the ills of your world quickly begin to be cured is all the recompense we require. It is our honor and pleasure to be here at this time, in service for the light and the greater good of all our brothers and sisters throughout this universe. This is our oath, to extend our hand in friendship with the offer of assistance to all others throughout this universe. Be vigilant to your skies, your media outlets, and your inner voice. Our presence will be made known to all through these avenues. Continue to share this information and help calm the ripples of fear that may spread throughout your societies.

The Illuminati are crumbling as are the fighting forces they control. Very soon they will be powerless and be of no threat to anyone any longer. This is the task of many of our fleet and of our Earth allies. Much continues to happen behind the scenes and this information is been corroborated by several other channels of our messages. Be advised, not all that is reported to be messages from the light are authentic, but we see many of you have strengthened your powers of discernment and are very capable of filtering out the false and fear laden vibrations of some of these communications. We will continue to keep you abreast of any last-minute updates or changes to our plans, but as it stands today we are set to trigger the first domino and begin the phase of operation so many of you have long been waiting for. We thank you for your patience and your hard work rolling out the welcome mat for us. We will be with you soon. Until then, prepare and be well.
We are your Family of Light from the stars.

As channeled through Greg Giles

http://ascensionearth2012.blogspot.com/2012/01/message-from-galactic-federation-11412.html

So just relax and begin the accession process! No need to argue amongst ourselves any longer! GFL is here to save us! YAY!

[magamud]

Jenci I appreciate your courage in all this...

I think a lot of time we do close the gap, Mags, but we are surely not always going to close the gap.
So your statement was, in general we can close gaps, but its dependent on always. Where is the middle ground? Im just fishing here, I know i might not catch one...
Agree to disagree.
Is there a Choice here?

Even what seems like a gap, may not be a gap at some point in the future.
Your patronizing me here arent you?:blink: Do you think I have a time machine?
Sometimes things happen where we can change our point of view.
Lord I hope so...
Many times I have gone back to people after considerable time has passed and told them that only now I can see their point of view.
This will be Wisdom


Yes, this too. It's all energetic movement in consciousness, even the arguing.
If we all agreed, we would all be stuck.
The reverse could be true...
And most likely, all stuck in the wrong place :)
Jeanette
:fie:

[Jenci]

I thought you were stating Fred was ignoring the counter arguments because he found himself outnumbered?
That was my word, you are right, Reaver. I was only suggesting a possible reason based on how I would feel. Sorry for the confusion.




I'm just trying to get some contrast here
I know, me too.



I can understand it and it applies to an extent, there may come a point where you find a dead end. But in this particular case it goes beyond a mere exchange of ideas, since Fred has called out some people on similar issues more than once, I'd go as far as to say that amiable responses were offered to him (not so much on my end since I'm more of an asshole). He has gone to the extent of saying the forum is more about debunking and ostracizing different views and you know, that's his view and it's fine, but he has been offered counter proposals, which are aimed at discussing the matter... he didn't pay any mind. He has done this more than once, so I get suspicious and think he's using hit & run tactics.
This is just speaking for me personally, there comes a point for my well being that it's not helpful to continue engaging in a discussion. That doesn't mean that it wasn't helpful or that I have a problem with others who feel it is better to carry on engaging in the debate.
I suppose this is just my way of offering contrast - there could be other reasons for behaviour.


Back on the topic of GLF - I'm just finishing up listening to the radio interview just posted in the David Wilcock thread.
They do mention this issue about ascension deceiving people. It's only 30 minutes, I would say it's worth listening to.

http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/hypesters-lies-and-mind-control-randy-maugans-on-revelations.html#entry14589525

Thanks to ?Questions for posting the link.

Jeanette

[Northern Boy]

Really what power do they think the powerful ruling factions have over any one as long as your prepared to fight for your god given rights up and including dieing for them they have no power. They act under presumption and assumption they have nothing unless we give it to them as long as you want to be free and live peacefully they have nothing they can`t take your freedom from you regardless of the number of laws they pass saying they can only you will surrender it voluntarily or with the passing of your physical existence attempting to preserve it............... there thats my version of love and light

[Jenci]

So your statement was, in general we can close gaps, but its not dependent on always? Im just fishing here, I know i might not catch one...
I can't see how we can always close the gap. There will always be times where different people view the same thing differently.

Is there a Choice here?
Agree to disagree is always an option. If only one side wants to agree to disagree then I suppose that leaves both sides in total disagreement, without any agreement about it. Now I've confused myself, lol.

Your patronizing me here arent you? Do you think I have a time machine?
Not at all. What I was saying is that if there is a gap now, then at some point in the future, there may not be a gap. Either side may change their point of view or even the situation itself may change, hence the gap may diminish or disappear.

The reverse could be true...
Maybe.......but how would life be if we all had the same point of view and perception. What would be the point.

Jenci I appreciate your courage in all this...
:)

Jeanette

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Hey everyone, this just in!


http://ascensionearth2012.blogspot.com/2012/01/message-from-galactic-federation-11412.html

So just relax and begin the accession process! No need to argue amongst ourselves any longer! GFL is here to save us! YAY!

Any day now, Pillar. It's going to happen!!

Jeanette

[Amerillo]

I can't see how we can always close the gap. There will always be times where different people view the same thing differently. Agree to disagree is always an option. If only one side wants to agree to disagree then I suppose that leaves both sides in total disagreement, without any agreement about it. Now I've confused myself, lol.

We are far, very far, from a blissfull Oneness, Jenci. Let's hope the GFL will help us out. :smile: Love you!

[Unified Serenity]

Cookies anyone?!?

I don't like channelled messages, there I said it. Now I can say I participated and run like hell.

[lightblue]

US, you're alright..you needn't run, please stay put... :smile: l




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7aJOdA4428&feature=related


:shablon_03: lb


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[Gardener]

Here and now I am stating that I have not participated in believing in channelled messages for at least 15 years, sometimes i read them with as little judgement and opinion as possible. There are only a very few which I would take more notice of, Ra and Seth. But the one channelled source that I will consider anywhere near accurate, and by their own admission is never more than 80% accurate and often a lot less, is the cassiopaean experiment, primarily because of the rigourous way it is carried out.

I also deeply respect the lovely people who attempt this controversial superluminal communication and although they attribute this to beings of another dimension, I strongly feel that they are reflecting a future or other self. Just a theory.

[lightblue]

Here and now I am stating that I have not participated in believing in channelled messages for at least 15 years, sometimes i read them with as little judgement and opinion as possible. There are only a very few which I would take more notice of, Ra and Seth. But the one channelled source that I will consider anywhere near accurate, and by their own admission is never more than 80% accurate and often a lot less, is the cassiopaean experiment, primarily because of the rigourous way it is carried out.

I also deeply respect the lovely people who attempt this controversial superluminal communication and although they attribute this to beings of another dimension, I strongly feel that they are reflecting a future or other self. Just a theory.

60/20 ratio would sound reasonable enough to most.....though not in my mind, :no:..because it all does depend on what falls into the 20%..plus and if you don't mind me asking,
what constitutes "rigorous ways of carrying it out" ? what makes it rigorous? thanks l

:crazy_pilot:

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[Gardener]

Glad you asked LB its perhaps controvertial.
They have used since 1994 (ish) a spirit board, which for the first two years they got nothing but gobbledegook. Each session moves quite fast, and each letter is written down by one person, whilst another calls out the letter which is recoded on tape, so there are checks and balances. The whole is then transcribed so its not always possible to know what is being said at the time. The messages are almost always in the form of clues to research subject areas, not spoon fed answers, i.e as LKJ says the transmissions are 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration to get at what the clues are leading to.

The percentage accuracy is elastic and I agree if they come out with some statement which turns out to be not true, then indeed what use is it. Many variables influence the energies, who is present not least. Plus it becomes obvious fairly soon when the transmission has been skewed, the C's give hints to this effect. I have followed them for 12 years and have never at any time had reason to be more than slightly doubtful, critical though I am of chanelling.

The cassiopaea experiment and LKJ have been under intense attack for many years, they have been lied about, called a cult, had their dog poisoned, had their vehicles tampered with, sued for 5 million dollars by Eric Pepin of Higher balance Institute (which was thrown out). Unimaginable difficulties because they are telling the truth, exposing disinformation, and more important helping people to find a way through and out of the labyrinth.
No-one has done more in exposing the psychpathic nature of the power structure than Laura, with the help of Andrew Lobaczewski's (clinical psychologist) manuscript of 'Political Ponerology' which he sent to her not long before he passsed away.

hope this speaks to at least some of you question.

g


60/20 ratio would sound reasonable enough to most.....though not in my mind, :no:..because it all does depend on what falls into the 20%..plus and if you don't mind me asking,
what constitutes "rigorous ways of carrying it out" ? what makes it rigorous? thanks l

:crazy_pilot:

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[magamud]

In one sense I think benevolent beings responding to incantations for help would go unheard. Why would they tell you something that you have within yourself already? Parasitic beings would seize this philanthropic opportunity to find others to share their burden of being alone with.

[Gardener]

Mags in the cassiopaeia case they say 'we are you in the future' fwiw


In one sense I think benevolent beings responding to incantations for help would go unheard. Why would they tell you something that you have within yourself already? Parasitic beings would seize this philanthropic opportunity to find others to share their burden of being alone with.

[magamud]

I looked up the cassiopeia website but I cant even find a a simple truth due to the enormous amount of explaining on it. Can you condense the message from the future?

[Krystic]

TRANSCENDENCE PART 15 THE NEW AGE DECEPTION AND GIANT UFO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rS5aPmFvqc&feature=related

[lightblue]

I looked up the cassiopeia website but I cant even find a a simple truth due to the enormous amount of explaining on it. Can you condense the message from the future?

yes g, i'd be interested in hearing the same..

when they say they are us (laura and team) from the future, do the conatcting entities mean they speak via our/laura's consciousness .in other words, are laura's and "cassiopean" consciousness one and the same, only separated by "time" ?

i reckon they must be tapping into laura's consciousness making it their platform..which makes them parasitic...which makes me think laura and team may be hosting parasite attachments....:crazy_pilot: l

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[Gardener]

I would love to Mags but there is 18 years of work on there, nothing has been removed or changed and it is an evolving process. If I were to distill into one simple message it is this, some make it out of the matrix in order to come back and deliver the message on this timeline. But we have to do the work on ourselves. (Yea I know!):unsure:

The C's have said all along that there is a wave appproaching, and a quantum wave collapse or something like that which will affect us, bringing us into more direct contact with 4th density making a more level playing field.

Bearing in mind that Laura's husband is professor of theoretical physics, he reviews papers for publication, they met when she was trying to find out what unstable gravity waves were as the C's had said research this.

The 4th desity denziens will do anything and everything to prevent that happening, to stay in control. :BOP:

It has been intimated that cyclical cometary bombardment and ice ages have reset and cleansed the earth leaving only a thin sliver of survivors. Makes sense.

There are a number of researchers who have developed this theory from historical records one being Victor Clube 'The Cosmic Winter' Also Richard Firestone 'Cycles of Cosmic Catastrophe'

Ok I know its a big site, but worth browsing see where you might be inspired to look. There are also a LOT of defamation sites on the net, as you might expect when people are exposed for what often turns out to be psy ops or psychopathy, they are dealing with that at the moment gathering data with an attorney.

Its the same group running SOTT news http://www.sott.net/ there is a new article on there today which looks promising.

g



I looked up the cassiopeia website but I cant even find a a simple truth due to the enormous amount of explaining on it. Can you condense the message from the future?

[?uestions]

i heard about laura and that raffle. hmm.... reminds me of a crying profit who has a website about the cosmos. and something about divine...

[Gardener]

Yes (afaik) to first question, though this is not limited to them personally but to anyone who resonates and is prepared to work on their awakening.

The second part of your question I can not answer personally because I do not know, but they have discussed this at great length, and she has done a lot of work in this type of entity release and such like, ala William Baldwin 'Spirit releasement therapy,' but the 'parasite' (as you know I think), the archons she is very much aware of and I seriously doubt she is hosting any more than anyone else who is not yet fully conscious, we are all vectors of parasitic intent until we learn how not to be, umm easier said than done.

g
:blink:


yes g, i'd be interested in hearing the same..

when they say they are us (laura and team) from the future, do the conatcting entities mean they speak via our/laura's consciousness .in other words, are laura's and "cassiopean" consciousness one and the same, only separated by "time" ?

i reckon they must be tapping into laura's consciousness making it their platform..which makes them parasitic...which makes me think laura and team may be hosting parasite attachments....:crazy_pilot: l

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[lightblue]

Yes (afaik) to first question, though this is not limited to them personally but to anyone who resonates and is prepared to work on their awakening.

The second part of your question I can not answer personally because I do not know, but they have discussed this at great length, and she has done a lot of work in this type of entity release and such like, ala William Baldwin 'Spirit releasement therapy,' but the 'parasite' (as you know I think), the archons she is very much aware of and I seriously doubt she is hosting any more than anyone else who is not yet fully conscious, we are all vectors of parasitic intent until we learn how not to be, umm easier said than done.

g
:blink:

"anyone who resonates" i think it's to say there are different soul groups and some within the ones who resonate with C's will or won't allow intrusion - is how i understand it..not being part of that particular soul group is not to say one is not working on personal "awakening"...the universe is vast and it's not only C's out there...

parasitic involvment in one's consciusness field may be (tragically) experienced as awakeing....believing one is getting connected to answers is very seductive ...recognising we are being preyed upon is not usually achievable from where we are being tapped into...so, i don't doubt laura's best intentions/protective measures she is observing against archonic intervention...just not sure she can be safe/certain enough.....

very risky invoking any entities... l

[Gardener]

Yes this is true, the C's have said this there are other groups working, no its not just them, the potential is for everyone. Reminds me of ['...the harvest is plentyful, but the labourers are few...]


.not being part of that particular soul group is not to say one is not working on personal "awakening"...the universe is vast and it's not only C's out there...

I hear you on the recognition of parasitic entities, I am sure it happens a lot more than we know at our stage. Remembering how much we can actualy lie to ourselves, in that one is seldom as good or as bad as one thinks one is, how then are we to know if a parasite is influencing us.

This is so important to note, hence the need for critical discernment when filtering through the mass of information particularly personal information, 'what's the pay off for my ego' sort of thing I think and this is only speculative, that many of the abduction scenarios and such like, including chanelling are inherantly a pay off for a feeling of specialness, a nice hook indeed. So whilst there are still unconscious ego weaknesses, needs and fears, then it is a path fraught with unseen dangers

parasitic involvment in one's consciusness field may be (tragically) experienced as awakeing....believing one is getting connected to answers is very seductive ..

PS Please don't think I am not speaking for myself here lol beginner here at this. Groping in the dark, but as Leonard Cohen says, 'there is a crack in everything, where the light gets in'.

[lightblue]

Yes this is true, the C's have said this there are other groups working, no its not just them, the potential is for everyone. Reminds me of ['...the harvest is plentyful, but the labourers are few...]



I hear you on the recognition of parasitic entities, I am sure it happens a lot more than we know at our stage. Remembering how much we can actualy lie to ourselves, in that one is seldom as good or as bad as one thinks one is, how then are we to know if a parasite is influencing us.

This is so important to note, hence the need for critical discernment when filtering through the mass of information particularly personal information, 'what's the pay off for my ego' sort of thing I think and this is only speculative, that many of the abduction scenarios and such like, including chanelling are inherantly a pay off for a feeling of specialness, a nice hook indeed. So whilst there are still unconscious ego weaknesses, needs and fears, then it is a path fraught with unseen dangers


PS Please don't think I am not speaking for myself here lol beginner here at this. Groping in the dark, but as Leonard Cohen says, 'there is a crack in everything, where the light gets in'.

establishing we are not (any more) being misled/manipulated/fed off by the parasites (this and off worldly) for ANY REWARDS may be our lives' mission in 3d...i don't think it's the case of who isn't preyed on, it's who's gotten rid of them...tough introspection/ditching of ego is an absolure prerequisite imo.. as soon as i hear someone (laura etc.) is about passing the messages they privately receive as universal, i cringe ...and suspect a seizable ego not able to see through deception..

stay sovereign..l


:crazy_pilot:

post update

plus, she, laura and her team, may have unwittingly signed their souls away to entities who present themselves as "cassiopeans the benevolent" :rofl:...i don't think she could reverse it...unfortunately.....and all for the sake of being a messanger to humanity - one of ego's many tricks....sad.....:sad:

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[Gardener]

i heard about laura and that raffle. hmm.... reminds me of a crying profit who has a website about the cosmos. and something about divine...

Hi ?uestions. Interesting name :) My pa used to call me a walking question mark
Yes the house raffle lost them a lot of money and the psycho's went into overdrive. Same ones that had been hounding them for years, here is a link to a discussion on the SOTT forum, its a long thread and if you really want to know the ins and out there are a lot of links on there which tell it as it is. There are many threads on the forum covering all the attacks they have been subject to, including scanned documents, they put everything out into the public domain, annoys the hell out of the psychos but its safer and everything is recorded.
Just wanted to clear up your vague comment I hope.
Everything about the house raffle was above board, legal and documented. FYI.


http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,673.0.html

[Gardener]

LB I wish you live down the road from me lol I so appreciate your beingness. There's a few others too who I wished lived on my street.

In my most not so humble opinion, and I do get on my soap box about some things and this is one of them regarding our mission. To get out of the ego/matrix/parasitic influence we have to master the lessons of 3D, in just the way you say. Subdue the ego personality into service (rather than 'ditch' it) would be how I think of it, making it conscious and of service.
We do not have to know and master the lessons of 4D until we get there. (I don't think).

I am sure Laura struggles with self importance and egoic reactions, I know I do, even though I know it intellectually, it has to be absorbed viscerally, and become part of beingness, I fail miserably at times and yet when I look back I see I have less conflict in those areas than I had.

Vigilance, observing self without judgment, the ego is very swift to respond, stalking the self into the unconscious and catching a glimpse of it is a major task. Fishing for a tiny fish in the vast ocean, that's how Jung presents it. It is in our weakest area that the parasite will attach and influence us creating the barrier to self.

I believe and I could very well be wrong, that the real alchemy is in the transformation which can occur when the ego perceives injury, we catch it, observe it, and don't react, allowing the heat generated to rise up but no further than the neck so to speak, to heat the retort, keeping the crucible covered and burn with it. I think we can only do this if there is no knee jerk reaction, but a learning about where this is coming from. Speak our truth quetly and clearly.

Yes tough introspection indeed. And I am grateful to you for giving me an opportunity to do just that tonight. I sometimes forget.

I work with dreams and no doubt my psyche will give me a state of the union report toinght after this discussion.

thx
g


establishing we are not (any more) being misled/manipulated/fed off by the parasites (this and off worldly) for ANY REWARDS may be our lives' mission in 3d...i don't think it's the case of who isn't preyed on, it's who's gotten rid of them...tough introspection/ditching of ego is an absolure prerequisite imo.. as soon as i hear someone (laura etc.) is about passing the messages they privately receive as universal, i cringe ...and suspect a seizable ego not able to see through deception..

stay sovereign..l


:crazy_pilot:

[lightblue]

you put it so well g...so much better than i could... l

[?uestions]

Hi ?uestions. Interesting name :) My pa used to call me a walking question mark
Yes the house raffle lost them a lot of money and the psycho's went into overdrive. Same ones that had been hounding them for years, here is a link to a discussion on the SOTT forum, its a long thread and if you really want to know the ins and out there are a lot of links on there which tell it as it is. There are many threads on the forum covering all the attacks they have been subject to, including scanned documents, they put everything out into the public domain, annoys the hell out of the psychos but its safer and everything is recorded.
Just wanted to clear up your vague comment I hope.
Everything about the house raffle was above board, legal and documented. FYI.


http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,673.0.html

well allow me to make my on decision based on the evidence at hand.

while i hear what it is you are saying however but i don't necessarily agree with your opinion on the matter.

[Dex]

I just spent a little time on the Cassiopaetoa website. I am not one to throw the baby out with the bath water, but a couple of things jumped out to me, just on the first page (http://cassiopaea.org/).

I like this statement:
No one can claim a monopoly on Truth and no one can claim ownership either.

So I was disappointed read this a little ways down the page:
If you are interested in the events surrounding 9/11, you?ll want to check out our American Coup d??tat page, as well as Laura?s book: 9/11 The Ultimate Truth.

Did the person writing that not see the hypocrisy?

And then there is a link to an interview (http://cassiopaea.org/2010/10/05/diet-and-health-questions-and-can-smoking-be-good-for-you/) with the Cs stating that cigarettes do not cause cancer. That smoking actually makes us psychic and that is why the govt wants us to stop smoking(!). I work in public health and I can tell you that the govt campaigns to help people stop smoking are quite sincere and driven by health providers who see too many people die because they are addicted to cigarettes.

Anyway, I am not trying to discredit the Cassiopaea thing - I honestly don't have the energy or interest. I am just heeding their advice to
not take anything as unquestionable truth.

[Ross]

there is a link to an interview with the Cs stating that cigarettes do not cause cancer. That smoking actually makes us psychic and that is why the govt wants us to stop smoking(!)

And if I eat my own sh!t I will increase my intellect by 100 points...:jester:

Where the fcuk is common-sense gone...or maybe it didn’t exist in the first place, based on indisputable evidence showing Human units are complete nut jobs incapable of rational thinking….(those that make global decisions and those that follow like brainless twits)...and those awaiting ships to help the ascension process with a dash of LnL to make it all hoppity skippity...

Ross

[Unified Serenity]

There are some benefits to smoking. I wonder if smoking does have something beneficial the gov't doesn't want us to have as they push so hard to stop smoking, of course it's a great psy op campaign to get people used to running other's lives and telling them how to live! It's now moved on the food. Next it will be how much online time you can have and when you have to go to bed to be good healthy girls and boys.

SCREW THEM...... I'll eat, drink, smoke, and lick what I want to.

[Ross]

SCREW THEM...... I'll eat, drink, smoke, and lick what I want to.

Indeed...as will I...but to say smoking does not cause cancer is a being a complete nutjob. (Not you U/S) Go talk to a few Pulmonologist. Spend a day in the Heart and lung wards...FFS...

Ross

[Richard]

SCREW THEM...... I'll eat, drink, smoke, and lick what I want to.

I'll drink to that! :cheers:

[Ross]

LEDS: Lick eat drink smoke, any order will do..tho all at once can cause issues, possible injury :jester:

[Khaleesi]

Indeed...as will I...but to say smoking does not cause cancer is a being a complete nutjob. (Not you U/S) Go talk to a few Pulmonologist. Spend a day in the Heart and lung wards...FFS...

Ross

LOL Ross I'm an X-Ray Tech and have taken plenty of chest x-rays. I hear ya, but I love my ciggies.

Khaleesi

PS In the USofA they use lots of additives in the cigarettes that they don't use in Europe. I think the additives are more troublesome than the tobacco.

[Unified Serenity]

LEDS: Lick eat drink smoke, any order will do..tho all at once can cause issues, possible injury :jester:

I found if you use special things, you can do a lot more than you thought, think pony air tank... smirks.

[Gardener]

Obviously not lol


Did the person writing that not see the hypocrisy?

I don't endorse this either, smoking excessivly can cause emphasemia, and other circulatory problems, there is much more to this research regarding neurotransmitters than immediatly meets the eye, though I have not entered into it in any depth and am not out to defend this area which I know litttle about I have no investment in it. There are however many angles to the conformity paradigm of regulation, financial, the aristotlian philosophy, and the lumbering machine that calls treatment rationing, resources allocation. So in a health service where many pay for their own treatment why would they wish to sweep aside free will? Alchohol is the direct cause of many more deaths than smoking in this country, can you think of any reason why that was not tackled first before smoking? Similarly with foxhunting, its about conformity, the thought police. There is nothing sincere in govenment health care once you get past the actual carers, nurses and doctors.


And then there is a link to an interview with the Cs stating that cigarettes do not cause cancer. That smoking actually makes us psychic and that is why the govt wants us to stop smoking(!). I work in public health and I can tell you that the govt campaigns to help people stop smoking are quite sincere and driven by health providers who see too many people die because they are addicted to cigarettes.

[?uestions]

if it benefits the leader it benefit all. no matter what the consequences. why not smoke all day and eat twinkies like ramtha said for eternal youth.

[Ross]

if it benefits the leader it benefit all. no matter what the consequences. why not smoke all day and eat twinkies like ramtha said for eternal youth.

Where would we be without Ramtha? the Enlightened One, a thirty-five-thousand-year-old warlord from Atlantis dispensing Ramtha wisdom to hundreds who paid up to $1500 (fifteen hundred dollars) for a private audience...

Ross

[Dex]

So in a health service where many pay for their own treatment why would they wish to sweep aside free will? Alchohol is the direct cause of many more deaths than smoking in this country, can you think of any reason why that was not tackled first before smoking?

From what I see (up very close), public health messaging tries to inform people about the dangers of all substance abuse (including alcohol, smoking and other addictions). Smoking is not singled out. If you want to see a real live verified conspiracy, check out the tobacco industry and their lies (and who benefits). Seriously, just because the govt warns against something does not mean it is actually trying to control you. Like everything, the govt has good and bad aspects. Efforts to help people stop smoking (or other deadly behaviors) are a good thing, IMHO. Someone has to counter the lies of the tobacco industry.

Sorry to go off-topic, but it is totally delusional not to admit that smoking kills people (including my mom, who was healthy in every other behavior). People will say/do anything to rationalize their addictions. There is tons and tons of scientific data on this (but, sadly, so many distrust science entirely, so I guess they will just follow their "instincts" that smoking is good for you). Yes, this is a personal issue for me, but I can tell you with a great deal of objectivity that smoking kills. I sincerely hope that all reading this who smoke stop -- I know you can do it!

[Unified Serenity]

Dex, I appreciate what you say, my mother died from respiratory failure Feb. 27, 2011. Have you ever looked at this topic of tobacco from the other side? I have actually done research on it, and there are benefits whether you want to admit them or not. I guess it's up to each person to decide for themselves what they want. I don't deny smoking has negative affects as well, but as Khal said, how do you know that it's not all the additives?

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Here are some facts:


Severe Gum Recession, Less Of A Risk For Smokers - In the strange world that anti-tobacco has wrought, any research that deviates from the tobacco-is-the-root-of-all-evil template is noteworthy. Here is a study that shows that smokers are actually at lower risk from gum disease. In this page (scroll down) there is more scientific evidence from other sources about oral health and smoking.
Honest scientists have always known that smoking has some benefit. From the apparent shielding effect against Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases to the more intangible benefits associated with well-being and tranquility, smoking tobacco in many ways is definitely good for your health.

Twin Study Supports Protective Effect of Smoking For Parkinson's Disease – "Dr. Tanner's group continued to see significant differences when dose was calculated until 10 years or 20 years prior to diagnosis. They conclude that this finding refutes the suggestion that individuals who smoke more are less likely to have PD because those who develop symptoms quit smoking." "‘The inverse association of smoking dose and PD can be attributed to environmental, and not genetic, causes with near certainty," the authors write.’
Total silence from the antismoking mass media droids, of course, on this pivotal, long-range study that shows yet another benefit of smoking. The reasons are obvious, and they need no further comments. If the intention of "public health" is to inform the public about the consequences of smoking on health as it proclaims, why don’t we see "warnings" such as: "Smoking Protects against Parkinson’s Disease," or "Smoking protects against Alzheimer’s Disease," or "Smoking protects against Ulcerative Colitis" and so on, alongside with the other speculations on "tobacco-related" disease? Isn’t the function of public health to tell the citizens about ALL the effects on health of a substance? Obviously not. "Public health," today, is nothing more than a deceiving propaganda machine paid by pharmaceutical and public money to promote frauds, fears, and puritanical rhetoric dressed up in white coats.

Smoking Prevents Rare Skin Cancer - A researcher at the National Cancer Institute is treading treacherous waters by suggesting that smoking may act as a preventative for developing a skin cancer that primarily afflicts elderly men in Mediterranean regions of Southern Italy, Greece and Israel. Not that smoking should be recommended for that population, Dr. James Goedert is quick to assure his peers. What is important is not that smoking tobacco may help to prevent a rare form of cancer but that there is an admission by a researcher at the National Cancer Institute that there are ANY benefits to smoking.
Smoking Reduces The Risk Of Breast Cancer - A new study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (May 20, 1998) reports that carriers of a particular gene mutation (which predisposes the carrier to breast cancer) who smoked cigarettes for more than 4 pack years (i.e., number of packs per day multiplied by the number of years of smoking) were found to have a statistically significant 54 percent decrease in breast cancer incidence when compared with carriers who never smoked. One strength of the study is that the reduction in incidence exceeds the 50 percent threshold. However, we think it important to point out that this was a small, case control study (only 300 cases) based on self-reported data.

http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/therap.htm

[Dex]

Dex, I appreciate what you say, my mother died from respiratory failure Feb. 27, 2011. Have you ever looked at this topic of tobacco from the other side? I have actually done research on it, and there are benefits whether you want to admit them or not. I guess it's up to each person to decide for themselves what they want. I don't deny smoking has negative affects as well, but as Khal said, how do you know that it's not all the additives?

Those benefits better be pretty awesome to put yourself in the path of cancer. There are more than 4000 chemicals in cigarettes (including flame retardant and formaldehyde) so, yes the additives seem to make them deadlier. However, many lung diseases are caused by constant inhalation of smoke alone, no matter what is in it. I mean, think about it.

Sorry to hear about your mom. Mine died within days of yours, so I can imagine your year has been a hard one as well.

Dex

PS I really don't want to debate smoking with you (maybe someone else will pick up the cause). Sorry if that is lame. I just don't think we will get anywhere and can't commit the time to a serious long-term exchange on the topic.

[Unified Serenity]

Much love to you Dex. Yes, it's hard. I lost my father to colon cancer July 1, 2011 so you can imagine it's been a tough year, but I get to talk with them in astral sometimes. Mom's been off having fun lately, but dad came around the other night and it was a nice time.

I miss them a LOT, but I really am glad they are not here to see what's happening to their beloved America and the world.


Serenity

[Dex]

Oh dear. You hang in there Serenity.

[Gardener]

Hi Dex
I hear ya on all of that and i am sorry that it is a personal issue for you, it is for me too. smoking drinking drugs of any kind is not supported by me, and I DO understand your need to express these feelings. It is not my intention to disagree or even continue to engage. I think the patterns here in UK are slightly different, because drinking is most definitly not demonized, beyond binge drinking teenagers, what is wrong with this picture? Tobacco companies need demonizing! But they are not, what is wrong with this picture?
See this conversation started with my posting a link to the cassiopaea site, and already the thread is derailed from its subject.
There is a post somewhere about psyops thread derailment.
Back to main topic
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[reaver]

While you may be able to obtain useful and relevant information from other entities, I also think there is a similarity with organized religions. In organized religions the priest will contact god for you and he is the only one who will communicate with god... if you try to do so then you are a heretic. The dynamic I see with channeled material, especially when it deals with aliens, is very similar. Those channeled entities are the ones who will establish communication with the Godhead and then they will tell you what to do. Where the hell is that ancient and healthy shamanic practice? You know the true shaman will contact the Godhead so that you can have a direct communion with it, he/she may act as a guide in this process... but the true shaman understands that the exchange between the Godhead and the person seeking the godhead is very important and very personal at times. But you see, now we (impersonal we) think that we are very sophisticated because we can contact "higher" entities who will have a priest-like role. Pathetic

[Dex]

See this conversation started with my posting a link to the cassiopaea site, and already the thread is derailed from its subject.
There is a post somewhere about psyops thread derailment.
Back to main topic

Yes, back to main topic. But please, suggesting that the off topic posts are a psyops derailment is silly. Cassiopaea came up. A few people checked it out and saw some stuff that seemed a bit off and said something about it. If every time a thread goes off topic around a controversial topic (in this case, channeling and then smoking), the off topic posters are accused of being psyops agents, this place will go downhill fast (along with open dialogue).

OK. Back to topic (GFL Messages and discussion).

Peace,

Dex

[lightblue]

Yes, back to main topic. But please, suggesting that the off topic posts are a psyops derailment is silly. Cassiopaea came up. A few people checked it out and saw some stuff that seemed a bit off and said something about it. If every time a thread goes off topic around a controversial topic (in this case, channeling and then smoking), the off topic posters are accused of being psyops agents, this place will go downhill fast (along with open dialogue).

OK. Back to topic (GFL Messages and discussion).

Peace,

Dex

i bet the GFL ring leaders' advice would be: do not smoke, alchohol is fine in "moderation" ...:rofl:

has any "acredited" channel actually asked that question - what in fact facilitates their access to channels' consciuosness?

i've read about chemicals in cigarettes being very harmful..tho chemicals in our air and soil are most harmful too..i read about nilcotine being good for you, just like caffeine - which according to the latest is the new green tea...when i do, i smoke hand rolled tobacco with no chemicals ...l


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[Amerillo]

6 Imix, 14 Mol, 8 Manik


Please, back to topic (GFL Messages and discussion).

6 Imix, 14 Mol, 8 Manik.. What's that, Mork & Mindy?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdz4dCMGbbw

[lightblue]

Please, back to topic (GFL Messages and discussion).

6 Imix, 14 Mol, 8 Manik.. What's that, Mork & Mindy?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdz4dCMGbbw

:rofl: i suppose you must think this IS on topic...your whacky sense of humour or else? :blink:...if i am wrong, please explain...thanks l

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[Amerillo]

:rofl: i suppose you must think this IS on topic...

Sure, I'm dead serious....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4isv_Fylg

[Jenci]

Sure, I'm dead serious....



Great video, Amerillo but I am lost, LOL.

Mork and Mindy, elephants, GLF - can you connect the dots for me please
Jeanette

[lightblue]

Sure, I'm dead serious....



i don't get your coldplay/paradise alegory...

would you please explain it using words....thank you l

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[Amerillo]

Well, I guess we will never gonna survive unless we are a little crazy. With an open mind and some courage to reach out, anything could be possible, even paradise. But please don't take us for fools. Humanity is stupid, but not that stupid.
:yo:

[lightblue]

Well, I guess we will never gonna survive unless we are a little crazy. With an open mind and some courage to reach out, anything could be possible. But please don't take us for fools! Humanity is stupid, but not that stupid.

again... who are you addressing/referring to? what was your coldplay alegory about? also the previous video you posted so to put us back on topic?


..a little crazy.With an open mind and some courage to reach out..

keeping one's mind wide open may shake good brains out too....so, please explain what did you mean by your advice? "keep one's mind open" - open to what? gfl messages? l

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