12 girls from the same school in New York start exhibiting Tourette-like symptoms.

[magamud]

Just all around strangeness....The video of the girl is disturbing as a heads up....

Before last October, 17-year-old Thera Sanchez was a healthy cheerleader at LeRoy Junior-Senior High School in New York. But when she woke up from a nap on Oct. 7, she was beset by uncontrollable Tourette-like tics, that she continues to have today.

MSNBC reported that Sanchez is not alone -- 12 girls at the high school experienced an onset of these same symptoms, which include outbursts, shaking and tics.
UPDATED Jan. 18: MSNBC reported that a neurologist who is treating some of the girls with this mystery illness said that they have "conversion disorder," otherwise known as mass hysteria.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/17/thera-sanchez-tourettes-like-illness-tics-leroy-high-school_n_1210681.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl8%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D128251

http://www.hulu.com/watch/319840/nbc-today-show-school-baffled-by-12-girls’-mystery-symptoms

[VajraYaya]

One word - GARDASIL

[Going by]

Have their vaccine intake been checked up?

HOw to tell parents to check on this?

[Dorok]

One word - GARDASIL

I've seen nothing in the reports that suggest this. Nothing to even give the indication that these girls have had the vaccination. Do you know something we don't?

I'm normally not this picky, but this seems like a reactionary post based on personal imagination designed to spread fear.

With all respect, if you have info, please share; if not, your air of certainty is misplaced.

[VajraYaya]

You may not be aware of the harmful and nefarious nature of vaccines. If not read my post here for an introduction - http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8641-The-Polio-Scam&p=54998&viewfull=1#post54998

I"ve been following the Gardasil issue for some time.

These girls are the target age Pharma aims at. They run Gardasil campaigns at schools and universities. I have read many stories like this, of girls. healthy one day, then getting "HPV" vaccine then, death, nervous system disorder, Epstein Barr, all kinds of other neurological symptoms. Vaccine should always be the first place to look.


I've seen nothing in the reports that suggest this.

Of course you won't. Officials are being evasive about it, even with the parents, which of course means they have something to hide. Gardasil fist the profile completely.

Here's a place to start - http://www.naturalnews.com/Gardasil.html

[magamud]

In my experience it wont be one thing, that is if were lucky. I noticed no toxicology reports from the girls as of yet, which is interesting. I thought the molding of perspectives by experts was intriguing in that it was assumed Psychological. An anxiety panic cluster? Could this be the idea presented like a psychological Outbreak? In some nefarious way this thread could tie into Unified Serenities Zombie thread...

[Dorok]

You may not be aware of the harmful and nefarious nature of vaccines. If not read my post here for an introduction - http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8641-The-Polio-Scam&p=54998&viewfull=1#post54998

I"ve been following the Gardasil issue for some time.

These girls are the target age Pharma aims at. They run Gardasil campaigns at schools and universities. I have read many stories like this, of girls. healthy one day, then getting "HPV" vaccine then, death, nervous system disorder, Epstein Barr, all kinds of other neurological symptoms. Vaccine should always be the first place to look.



Of course you won't. Officials are being evasive about it, even with the parents, which of course means they have something to hide. Gardasil fist the profile completely.

Here's a place to start - http://www.naturalnews.com/Gardasil.html

I won't deny that there are enough problems with vaccines that warrant attention. My issue with your post is the authority you imply that you KNOW the cause of these girls' problems.

I'll refer you back to the headline on the news source you referred me to (which I have read before and do not consider them as accurate as their hype): http://www.naturalnews.com/034635_schoolgirls_mystery_illness_New_York.html

Even their headline does not proclaim certainty.
At least 12 schoolgirls in New York develop debilitating mystery illness, health department refuses to disclose cause (Gardasil?)

"Certitude belongs exclusively to those who only own one encyclopedia." ~R.A.W.

Addit:

Just to be clear, my issue with certainty is that once you think you have an answer critical thinking tends to stop. For example, if this problem was caused by a strange chemical in laundry detergent, then those 'know' (or were 'told' by someone who 'knows') it's from a vaccine will quit looking for the real cause.

[linz2d]

This article has brought to light something I find very interesting when I had a quick search on mass hysteria. Things like mass hysteria and mass psychogenic illness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness) are by far more common in women than in men. Perhaps the cause may be that women are more empathic, so if someone they knew suffered from a real illness they themselves would share in the illness or perhaps the symptoms.

[?uestions]

I've seen nothing in the reports that suggest this. Nothing to even give the indication that these girls have had the vaccination. Do you know something we don't?

I'm normally not this picky, but this seems like a reactionary post based on personal imagination designed to spread fear.

With all respect, if you have info, please share; if not, your air of certainty is misplaced.

What is your theory then?

[lightblue]

my screen says the video is unavailable outside the us...wonder why would that be...:unsure: l

[Dorok]

What is your theory then?

I don't have a theory b/c I don't have enough facts. I know this is an 'alternative'/conspiracy forum, but rules of evidence still apply. That was exactly my point!

[?uestions]

Awesome Dorok. I enjoy to hear rational patient thinking! Cheers

[Dorok]

From the OP's HuffPo link:

"UPDATED Jan. 19: CNN reported that Gardasil has been ruled out as a cause for the mystery illness, as not all the girls have received the vaccine."

[VajraYaya]

"UPDATED Jan. 19: CNN reported that Gardasil has been ruled out as a cause for the mystery illness, as not all the girls have received the vaccine."

Do you believe anything CNN's infobabes say? Talk to the parents to see if what the media says reflects their reality. Some parents have already stated that what authorities and officials have said does not reflect their experience.

[ZookieMonster]

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james170.htm

beginExcerpt
These patients were made worse by exposure to a vaccine that contained a virus that had already infected them. Thus this evidence reveals that Gardasil increases disease in 44.6 % of patients who already been exposed to the same serotype found in the vaccine. This strongly suggests that sexually active women can become more likely to develop cervical cancer after taking Gardasil vaccine.
bad

:smow::typing:

ps: Gardasil is a Big Pharma scam. And is an unnecessary additional risk for girls given to sexual activity. Whether it damages their immune system in other ways is yet unknown ... but as a betting man, I wouldn't trust any information put out by the MSM, one tentacle of the octopus that is intensifying its preparations for pop. redux. Me? I would suspect vaccines as a first resort than concede them as a last resort. Not paranoia, but prudence. Humble opinions all around.

[magamud]

Hysterectomies are out of control here on the US due to uterine fibroids. Mental illness, cancer, diabetes, on an on and on and on.
Its like contaminating the fishes water bowl to cure the fish, when it actually, it needs a clear water system. Backwards, upside down, around and around the Maypole.

Statistics
http://www.nuff.org/health_statistics.htm
Every 10 minutes, 12 hysterectomies are performed in the United States. According to a report published by Obstetrics and Gynecology, 9 of them probably didn't meet the guidelines set out by the American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists for hysterectomy.

~600,000 hysterectomies performed annually in the United States (~170,000 - ~300,000 due to uterine fibroids)
Over 5 billion dollars spent annually on hysterectomies (medical expense of procedures only)
Average time off from work to recover from a hysterectomy is 6 weeks (~144 million lost work hours)
~60% of all women undergoing hysterectomy have their ovaries removed (castration)
Over 5 billion dollars spent on hormone replacement therapy annually
37% of all women undergo hysterectomy by age 60
Myomectomy is performed less than 40,000 times a year in the U.S.
Over 25,000 uterine artery embolizations have been performed worldwide since 1996.
For every 10,000 hysterectomies performed, 11 women die. (Approximately 660 women die each year in the United States from complications of hysterectomy.)
Possibly as many as 80% of all women have uterine fibroids. While the majority usually have no symptoms, 1 in 4 end up with symptoms severe enough to require treatment.

[Jenci]

Hysterectomies are out of control here on the US due to uterine fibroids. Mental illness, cancer, diabetes, on an on and on and on.
Its like contaminating the fishes water bowl to cure the fish, when it actually, it needs a clear water system. Backwards, upside down, around and around the Maypole.

Statistics
http://www.nuff.org/health_statistics.htm
Every 10 minutes, 12 hysterectomies are performed in the United States. According to a report published by Obstetrics and Gynecology, 9 of them probably didn't meet the guidelines set out by the American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists for hysterectomy.

~600,000 hysterectomies performed annually in the United States (~170,000 - ~300,000 due to uterine fibroids)
Over 5 billion dollars spent annually on hysterectomies (medical expense of procedures only)
Average time off from work to recover from a hysterectomy is 6 weeks (~144 million lost work hours)
~60% of all women undergoing hysterectomy have their ovaries removed (castration)
Over 5 billion dollars spent on hormone replacement therapy annually
37% of all women undergo hysterectomy by age 60
Myomectomy is performed less than 40,000 times a year in the U.S.
Over 25,000 uterine artery embolizations have been performed worldwide since 1996.
For every 10,000 hysterectomies performed, 11 women die. (Approximately 660 women die each year in the United States from complications of hysterectomy.)
Possibly as many as 80% of all women have uterine fibroids. While the majority usually have no symptoms, 1 in 4 end up with symptoms severe enough to require treatment.


Shocking statistics. Over a third of women have their womb removed by the age of 60 !

Jeanette

[Dorok]

Do you believe anything CNN's infobabes say? Talk to the parents to see if what the media says reflects their reality. Some parents have already stated that what authorities and officials have said does not reflect their experience.

I'm not sure where your disconnect with my argument is occurring. I have a problem with your claim of certainty. I do think that CNN is at least as competent to report whether or not all the girls were given Gardisil; in the event that they are lying, I would fully expect to hear from the actual parents to the contrary. Above, you offer more hearsay that does nothing to advance any clarity while offering me back a strawman argument (i.e. I believe you/NaturalNews or CNN with nothing possible in between.).

So...to expand on my previous point as it's obviously not being taken. WHAT IF it's not Gardisil??? You've already made up your mind that it is and the damage is already done. WHAT IF it's something else and everyone has quit looking?? Aren't you letting your views on Gardisil cloud the search for the origin of these girls' illness thus potentially allowing it to continue and affect others? And with your prior assumption of certainty and taking the voice of authority, aren't you in effect attempting to convince others?

So, you may like/hate Gardisial, but are you helping or harming in this situation?

[Going by]

Other potential cause of the disease


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOSJs3aOTlE&feature=youtu.be

[Chicodoodoo]

Just all around strangeness....
UPDATED Jan. 18: MSNBC reported that a neurologist who is treating some of the girls with this mystery illness said that they have "conversion disorder," otherwise known as mass hysteria.

Yeah, that's it! Mass hysteria. Uh huh. And this coming from a neurologist?

Wait, we better look up this "conversion disorder (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001950/)".

"Conversion disorder is a condition in which a person has blindness, paralysis, or other nervous system (neurologic) symptoms that cannot be explained by medical evaluation." In other words, the neurologist doesn't have a clue.

And that causes mass hysteria.

[VajraYaya]

Dorok:


I have a problem with your claim of certainty

You could always ignore me... or posit your own theory. Mine just happened to be simple to sum up in a single word. Talk about strawman arguments. Either refute what I said or come up with a better idea.


I do think that CNN is at least as competent to report whether or not all the girls were given Gardisil

Really Dorok? Do I really have to explain this to you. Watch CNN for a day and count the number of minutes of advertising paid for by Pharmaceutical companies. Pharma is one of the biggest consumers of ad space these days at a time where advertising revenue from many other sectors is declining. If you think for a second that a news report on CNN or ANY other network in the western world would be allowed to ask a question in a story or an interview that could possibly point to a problem with the single biggest profit making ventures of their biggest advertisers, you have a lot of learning to do. Now the above point holds if Pharma is merely advertising on the network and not a major shareholder in it, in which case the story would simply be blocked by those that hold that interest.



in the event that they are lying, I would fully expect to hear from the actual parents to the contrary.

From the original news story on ABC affiliate WHAM, Rochester New York (http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Le-Roy-Parents-Want-Answers-About-Mysterious/6p6ryOqwuESjK31uHuSqCg.cspx): -


During the meeting, Gregory Young from the state health department said that all 12 girls had been diagnosed and are being treated.

Further in the story. What the parents had to say:


There was a heated exchange during the question and answer portion of the meeting, where an angry parent asked parents of girls with the tics to tell the rest of the parents whether there was a diagnosis or not. All the voices, about a half a dozen, yelled out “No!”

So, either the government official above was ill informed or lied. I'll go with lying because there are extremely few employees of any kind who would not lie if they were ordered to or thought or imagined there was any possibility of their losing their job if they told the truth. Also, Everybody here knows that government lies, we know who pays them. Unless you don't know that yet. If not, you have a lot of catching up to do.

From elsewhere in the report:


During the meeting, Young clarified that the cause has nothing to do with illegal drugs, legal drugs, environmental issues at the school or in the Le Roy community, or vaccines.

It's already shown he was lying before, why not here too? The CNN report is the only one I can find where anyone said anything about Gardasil not involved. CNN never lies? [anybody else want to jump in on this one?] They said this was because not all the girls got the vaccine. Let's hear from the parents AND THE GIRLS themselves on this question. That is the only way we will ever know for sure. Also, why are only girls of this age experiencing this, why not boys, adults, teachers? Why not younger girls who are not yet at the age for that vaccine?

Maybe I should amend my statements to say Vaccine Damage instead.



You've already made up your mind that it is and the damage is already done

What damage would that be? You mean that my single word post in an Internet forum has caused people investigating these 12 girls in New York State, to close their investigations? DO you have evidence for said damage? Wow, I must be a pretty powerful guy..


WHAT IF it's something else and everyone has quit looking??

What, like you have? You didn't even START to bother looking into this issue for yourself, instead I'm here spoonfeeding you..



Aren't you letting your views on Gardisil cloud the search for the origin of these girls' illness thus potentially allowing it to continue and affect others?

Do you seriously mean this? This question should be the FIRST one that is investigated. Merely reductively labeling these girls hysterical [an utter Bull❤❤❤❤ freudian quack theory] as they have been, THAT will stop further inquiry! BUT.. it can trigger a paid psychiatric diagnosis that will allow them to push psychoactive meds and bill for useless therapy? That's stopping the questions and preventing it form happening to others. Again, don't make me more powerful than I am here.


And with your prior assumption of certainty and taking the voice of authority

Really.. It seems to me Dorok that you yourself like to project authority onto others a little too quickly. You should look at that. My words can be perceived by people in many ways, I doubt anybody here besides you takes my voice as being authoritative.

Okay.. That's enough. I've wasted enough time here. So don't come back at me accusing me of anything unless you are prepared to argue the ACTUAL ISSUE, to propose your own line of investigation of this case.

Here, I'll get you started - The Le Roy Twelve: Mass Hysteria? Gardasil? PANDAS? Aluminum Toxicity? – A Discussion on Environmental Factors, Mitochondrial Damage and Vaccine-Injury (http://vaxtruth.org/2012/01/the-le-roy-twelve-mass-hysteria-gardasil-pandas-aluminum-toxicity-a-discussion-on-environmental-factors-mitochondrial-damage-and-vaccine-injury/)


So get off your lazy ass and do some actual reading. Don't just mindlessly listen to CNN.

[Dorok]

I'm lazy when you started this with a one word statement? You don't know me. And now you're being insulting. FAIL

[VajraYaya]

A statement backed up by over two decades of deep research.. Get reading there lazy. Looks like there is a lot you need to learn.

[ZookieMonster]

Good folks, please keep the discussion civil. We can disagree poles apart on any issue - for reason or rhyme - but if we don't treat each other with respect, we might as well be like common street ... or any other ASM truthseeking forum which has lost its compass and needle pointed at high level community.

Thank you for your cooperation.

:smow::typing:

[ZookieMonster]

FWIW, it is incidental whether Gardasil, the specific vaccine, is involved or not ... but the probability that some vaccine is involved is great enough to warranrt focus in that direction. Most likely it is Gardasil ... because that is the vaccine that's already had a track record of damaging immune systems of girls of that age. As for CNN and its stooges, Dr. Sanjay Gupta - a CFR member - once denied the correlation between Autism and mercury in vaccines ... the evidence out there suggests pure in-your-face lying on his part. From that, when CNN parades an expert, assume that that expert has been compromised to fit the power pyramid interests.

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

[andywight]

I don't have a theory b/c I don't have enough facts. I know this is an 'alternative'/conspiracy forum, but rules of evidence still apply. That was exactly my point!

Here are some facts/evidence for you Dorok, post#40 (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?123-Toxic-Vaccines&p=55425#post55425) http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?123-Toxic-Vaccines&p=55425#post55425, I have a copy of the cd rom David references at the beginning of his presentation and would be happy to upload it to you or any other members here that would like one.

:banana:

[Dorok]

Thanks, andyw. I wasn't having an problem finding discussions about vaccines in general; this was more of an issue of facts surrounding the case at hand.

[pillaroflight]

Mystery teen illness: Brokovich team meets resistance
By Linda Carroll


Jan. 29 update: Famed environmental activist Erin Brockovich met resistance as her team tried to test the area around an upstate New York school for clues to a case involving more than a dozen teens plagued by mysterious Tourette's-like symptoms and seizures.

At the request of local parents, Brokovich sent a team to LeRoy High School Saturday to investigate possible environmental causes for the illness that has caused a group of girls to develop tics and involuntary verbal outbursts. One neurologist who has seen most of the affected girls has diagnosed their illness as psychological in origin, but some parents and members of the community have disputed that diagnosis.

The State Health Department has tested the school and ruled out environmental factors. But Brockovich plans to do more testing near the school in LeRoy, N.Y.

Brockovich told USA TODAY Friday that she is looking into a 1970 train accident that spilled cyanide and an industrial solvent called trichloroethene close to the site of the school.

http://todayhealth.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/26/10242751-mystery-teen-illness-brokovich-team-meets-resistance