Elites take DMT to see clockwork elves - Alex Jones [Archive]

lightblue

24th January 2012, 10:37

the thing is - all the ones presenting themselves as clockwork elves/angels/interdimensionals etc are panicking, losing their marbles..they'll tell you anything you want to hear just so they can access your priceless human"vehicle", just so they can reverse their eternal damnation having denounced god/source USING YOUR INHERENT soul consciousness..parasites - that's what these are....they know their time is short but can't see how short ....all their "knowledge" is like ikea flat packs instruction leaflets compared to bethoven's sonatas.....sonatas of your soul..

i'd say don't do dmt inducing substances...you have enough of your own...that way, only the worlds you are ready for will open up for you in good time - the ones you'll learn from, where you'll assert your sovereignty.....if an entity should sip into your reality by any chance, before you welcome it/accept any offerings, instead of taking any names for good answers (angel this and that etc), do ask a simple question: who are you before god? even better: who's your father? if it is disingenious, it'll vanish in a flash...

stay sovereign l

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linz2d

24th January 2012, 12:05

HURRITT ENYETO

24th January 2012, 12:21

Alex is having a rant here about the Elites taking DMT to get in touch with entities - the clockwork elves.

It's unusual for Alex to talk about this "David Ickey" stuff as he calls it. He mentions many times that he shouldn't be going into this, we are not ready for it.

He mentioned a facility he has been into many times and seen monkeys hooked up to TV screens. I think the gist of what he is saying is that they are experimenting on the monkeys to see how they can keep us asleep.

I haven't yet listened to the interview, I don't particularly like nor trust Alex Jones.
To me the "clockwork Elves" sounds like somebody's idea of a piss take.
And i don't know what Alex Jones is on about with his "we are not ready yet bs" less than 2 years ago he was saying David Ike was bonkers and embarrassing himself with his other dimensional entities, Reptilians and Aliens, now we are "not ready" ROFL!
And if he has been to a 'facility' many times..........1) who would let Alex Jones into what is presumably a top secret installation? and 2) why isn't he screaming from the rooftops about it?
I always find it amusing how all these alternative media personalities eventually involve themselves in their story's.

Hurritt

ps Monkeys hooked up to TV screens, :sarcastic: he's full of sh!t. They are a whole world ahead of Monkeys and tv screens..........Unless of course he travelled back in time too?

Unified Serenity

24th January 2012, 13:12

if it is disingenious, it'll vanish in a flash...

stay sovereign l

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I agree with you Lightblue. Please tell me, what does the word disingenuous mean to you?

Jenci

24th January 2012, 13:23

if an entity should sip into your reality by any chance, before you welcome it/accept any offerings, instead of taking any names for good answers (angel this and that etc), do ask a simple question: who are you before god? even better: who's your father? if it is disingenious, it'll vanish in a flash...

I have no experience of these but this does seem like very good advice.

"Clockwork elves" is actually a term, if I remember used by Terrence McKenna in one of his videos used to describes these entities which seem to go about their busy business and who may take notice of you but are rarely if ever interested in you. Its also noted that DMT isn't something new as many cultures around the world have taken it in one form or another from plants, for spiritual purposes for thousands of years.

I hadn't heard this term before. There's an article here saying the same about Terence McKenna.
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/07/a-bad-trip-with-the-clockwork-elves-is-there-a-government-dmt-conspiracy/

And i don't know what Alex Jones is on about with his "we are not ready yet bs" less than 2 years ago he was saying David Ike was bonkers and embarrassing himself with his other dimensional entities, Reptilians and Aliens, now we are "not ready" ROFL!
I did find this strange and his repeated reference to the fact he shouldn't be telling us these things.

And if he has been to a 'facility' many times..........1) who would let Alex Jones into what is presumably a top secret installation? and 2) why isn't he screaming from the rooftops about it?
I don't listen to much of Alex.....perhaps he has mentioned about his visits to top secret installations in more of his broadcasts?

ps Monkeys hooked up to TV screens, he's full of sh!t. They are a whole world ahead of Monkeys and tv screens..........Unless of course he travelled back in time too?
Now, this I did think could be true. Have you seen how humans behave. When they are indoors they are transfixed by the TV. Go outside, the walk around with a portable one - a phone - in their hands staring at it. I've been in restaurants with people and they are playing with the phone - apps, internet, tweets.
Is this not keeping people asleep?

On the DMT, didn't George Bush say he went to war in Iraq because God told him it was the right thing to do. Are these people making these life and death decisions in ruling over us being guided by entities they see in drug trips?
Jeanette

lightblue

24th January 2012, 13:30

I agree with you Lightblue. Please tell me, what does the word disingenuous mean to you?

trickster, parasite, malgician, lier, not your match ... :smile: l

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magamud

24th January 2012, 14:40

I would not be surprised if Alex does a sort of "Disclosure" thingy, with how our Rulers and us are involved with this "Occultic" parasitic paradigm. Its obvious to me and to some here. He hints his knowledge and does what seems to be sporadic disclosures. Much of the White vs Black hat stuff. In one Narrative the Fathers Kingdom is coming, but Satan is coming first to fool as many as he can.

Godspeed Folks....

pillaroflight

24th January 2012, 15:34

"Clockwork elves" is actually a term, if I remember used by Terrence McKenna in one of his videos used to describes these entities which seem to go about their busy business and who may take notice of you but are rarely if ever interested in you. Its also noted that DMT isn't something new as many cultures around the world have taken it in one form or another from plants, for spiritual purposes for thousands of years.

I think what people have to remember is Alex Jones is running a business, hes target audience is Christian America and he needs new content so anything he can label as satanic is good for business. Now I probably going to get slammed for saying this but I take the view that David Icke and Alex Jones are probably the biggest professional bull❤❤❤❤ters around. Not everything they say is BS but a very large chunk of it is.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. But I would wager a guess that you don't listen to him. I DO and he knows what he's talking about. He documents everything he says. (documents shown on tv)

And Hurritt, the monkeys he's talking about were part of a test conducted by the University of Texas. Why do you assume it's not true? A lot of people don't like his style--I do. But if you DON'T listen because you've decided he's full of ❤❤❤❤ and just in it to make money you are in no position to judge him.

ps--not saying he's perfect--and I don't agree with all of his opinions or actions

Unified Serenity

24th January 2012, 16:46

Only a fool argues with someone who is unwilling to look at the facts, but just forms an opinion on what "feels" right.

Top 10 Reasons Why We Suffer Fools

10. Because we don't want to get arrested for disturbing the peace.

9. Social conditioning: Mama taught us to be polite (this is especially true for those of us who are female)

8. Because they are the customer and therefore Always Right

7. Because the fool in question happens to be an authority figure (like a cop)

6. Because our kids (or other family members) have to deal with whoeveritis, and we don't want to make things difficult for them.

5. Because we need something from them (am I right?)

4. Because we live in the same community and an ongoing fight would be unbearable.

3. Because we have to work with them

2. Because we are related to them by blood or marriage.

And the #1 reason we suffer fools:

1. Because we are too busy, too tired or otherwise couldn't be arsed to do anything about the fool.

THOSE WHO DO NOT REMEMBER THE PAST ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT!

WASH - RINSE - REPEAT

This is why I study ancient history. We are not entering a NEW era of peace and enlightenment. We are headed to take a bath, and those Bathrooms are not what we think they are. WAKE UP!

Auriel

24th January 2012, 17:42

I think what people have to remember is Alex Jones is running a business, hes target audience is Christian America and he needs new content so anything he can label as satanic is good for business. Now I probably going to get slammed for saying this but I take the view that David Icke and Alex Jones are probably the biggest professional bull❤❤❤❤ters around. Not everything they say is BS but a very large chunk of it is.

You dare challenge the integrity of the alternative media? :victory:

Janos

24th January 2012, 18:31

Regarding Alex Jones,

He has quite a wide gamut of very interesting guests on that cover a very large array of topics. At any given day, the topics could cover the unfolding war in Iran, to reptoids from planet poptart. ;)

There are a lot of well meaning people in what folks call the ‘alternative community’. However, much of it has also been co-opted over the period of many years.

But when a good individual with some real information does come forward, they are instantly latched on to, and either co-opted, corrupted, or led down a very deep, very obscure rabbit hole that has nothing to do with truth, fact, or real events.

The individual may be doing the best they can, but they will ultimately hit a brick wall.

There will be some prediction they ultimately make from faux information that they think is true, and when that prediction (usually with a date attached to it…) doesn’t come true, and then they’ll be labeled as ‘disinfo agents’ by the high and mighty and wise alternative community.

The same alternative community, I might add, that is 90% full of absolute rubbish the vast majority of the time. It would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so serious.

From ascension-y crap to ruling galactic counsels from Farktron V, the lovely alternative community is usually so far of the mark to the actual ‘truth’, that it oft enters the realms of pure fiction and fantasy. Hell, I can, (and have) written better science fiction than this.

Now, if someone has something to talk about, and meticulously backs it up with documentation, they may be incorrect. But at least they are going about it the right way.

If you want to see some serious stuff on what elements of your loving government are doing and who’s doing it, the Infowars archives are priceless. Go look up the company PTECH and see what they’re doing. Go look at the PROVEN vote fraud that DIEBOLD engages in, and watch the videos where they show you in real time how one of those machines CHANGES the votes put into it. It’ll curl your toenails. All public information, all right in your face.

So, is Alex 100% correct? No, absolutely not. But even if he’s 10% correct, he’s at least on par with the REST of the ‘alternative community’, who is full of it a good 90% of the time. So pick your poison. :)

robert

24th January 2012, 19:19

Thx janos

Talking about DIEBLOD, i could not let this one pass...

- robert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojmOESqVeak

Chicodoodoo

24th January 2012, 19:21

I haven't yet listened to the interview, I don't particularly like nor trust Alex Jones. ....he's full of sh!t

This brings us back (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8635-Kerry-cassidy-interviews-Bill-Woods-beyond-quot-looking-glass-quot&p=56104&viewfull=1#post56104) to the problem of properly assessing whistle-blowers and properly using their information. Trying to figure out what is "proper" is a bottomless pit of a rabbit hole all by itself.

As I have mentioned before (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8635-Kerry-cassidy-interviews-Bill-Woods-beyond-quot-looking-glass-quot&p=56205&viewfull=1#post56205), we should be careful about what we dismiss so quickly as BS.

lightblue

24th January 2012, 19:39

I haven't yet listened to the interview, I don't particularly like nor trust Alex Jones.

ye hurritt, why comment if you haven't listened to this piece of broadcast...it's not in contradiction to what we are on about here....l

:crazy_pilot:

Odah

24th January 2012, 19:54

damn i find it amusing when the manipulation by the powers that be drive these guys nuts ..they release the information they want released to get these guy to believe whatever they want .. and just flood them with info untill they crack and blab on ..

how many whistle blowers are people identified as possible leaks ..who just get flooded with info the powers that be wants out there until the whistle blower cracks and tells someone ..with so many insiders and whistle blowers ..with so many different stories .. it is very interesting to watch..

It's all designed to lead you to believed we are fu###..#$$$$ed really hard .. and holplessly f#$#@#$..and they have many many many channels to release info to reinforce that message ..fear porn is part of their game .. as you listen to this stuff and go with it and give into hopelessness or anger.. just imaging a being standing near you sticking a straw in your aura and sucking on all the negative energy your generating ..

an energy vampire doesn't need to be any where near you to drain you..

ILikeVapor

24th January 2012, 20:21

I go back and forth on AJ, but there's definitely a ton of good info on his site(s) and his "intel" shouldn't be immediately dismised based solely on your opinion of him as a person/source/whistleblower (IMO.)

ZookieMonster

24th January 2012, 20:54

This brings us back (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8635-Kerry-cassidy-interviews-Bill-Woods-beyond-quot-looking-glass-quot&p=56104&viewfull=1#post56104) to the problem of properly assessing whistle-blowers and properly using their information. Trying to figure out what is "proper" is a bottomless pit of a rabbit hole all by itself.

As I have mentioned before (http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8635-Kerry-cassidy-interviews-Bill-Woods-beyond-quot-looking-glass-quot&p=56205&viewfull=1#post56205), we should be careful about what we dismiss so quickly as BS.

We should not be quick to dismiss as BS ... and also not wallow in BS for any length of time. Therein lies the dilemma. IMO, we can and should dismiss the virtual totality of claims made by those who are sketchy about their evidence or noncommittal wrt producing evidence, i.e. who appeal to the soft science of possibility and ignore the hard science of probability.

Even if some of it may be true ... it's good practice to dump all of it if it comes from wunderkind with indigo pedigree, whistleblowers with intelligence pedigree, and/or wanderlust with no particular pedigree. This is where discernment weighs in. After all, if someone pisses on your plate of food, you throw it all out ... not just parts of it. Perversions notwithstanding.

:smow::typing:

Odah

24th January 2012, 21:13

We should not be quick to dismiss as BS ... and also not wallow in BS for any length of time. Therein lies the dilemma. IMO, we can and should dismiss the virtual totality of claims made by those who are sketchy about their evidence or noncommittal wrt producing evidence, i.e. who appeal to the soft science of possibility and ignore the hard science of probability.

Even if some of it may be true ... it's good practice to dump all of it if it comes from wunderkind with indigo pedigree, whistleblowers with intelligence pedigree, and/or wanderlust with no particular pedigree. This is where discernment weighs in. After all, if someone pisses on your plate of food, you throw it all out ... not just parts of it. Perversions notwithstanding.

:smow::typing:

it's not all bs .. there is a lot that is possible and probable..the elite probably use powerful mind altering substances to contact other forces.. it has been something elites and cheiftans have done for ever. it is a wonder why they would want to deter the use among us ..or give the people less pure and dangerous versions ..with no practice of purification and preparation before use..

My view is that they release the information they release in a way that causes people to panic or be paranoid ..tell the truth in a way that people don't really want to believe it..and embelish som of the more dramatic elements so what really happens doesn't seem so bad ..

Alex jones wouldn't be where he was if his info was total bs..manipulated truth so everything looks really really bad ..like the normal media ..

ZookieMonster

24th January 2012, 21:50

it's not all bs .. there is a lot that is possible and probable..the elite probably use powerful mind altering substances to contact other forces.. it has been something elites and cheiftans have done for ever. it is a wonder why they would want to deter the use among us ..or give the people less pure and dangerous versions ..with no practice of purification and preparation before use..

My view is that they release the information they release in a way that causes people to panic or be paranoid ..tell the truth in a way that people don't really want to believe it..and embelish som of the more dramatic elements so what really happens doesn't seem so bad ..
Alex jones wouldn't be where he was if his info was total bs..manipulated truth so everything looks really really bad ..like the normal media ..

Descriptors change the meaning of the initial assertion. FWIW, I explicitly stated "even if some of it may be true" ...

In short, we are not dealing with the content per se (e.g. the B.S. or not B.S.) ... but a derivative of the content (e.g. the compromised conduit of information).

To wit, you can't lift a clean baby from the first tub of dirty bathwater. It takes several tubs. But we're in the crush of time now and don't have that luxury of emptying and refilling the tub.

:smow::typing:

magamud

24th January 2012, 22:33

Lets put it this way. We were created from the top down. Top being where consciousness and matter co-exist without space and time 3d physics limitations. Just ask Krystic, lightblue or Reaver on the various paradigms. You have an opportunity here to claim your sovereignty from the top down. The big problem is how High it goes. The Devil employs every nit wit that will fill his dynamics. These dynamics also co-exist with you in normal 3d space time. You deal with it everyday, when you pay your bills, deal with the local over worked state worker, the police, your family etc...You make energetic decisions on how to be a Creator daily. And as you are Gatekeepers of your local Biosphere, there is a Gatekeeper in the local solar system, Galaxy and up it goes. All working on an even plane with the one source, the Father. It's a flat Pyramid in Wonderland words...

Chicodoodoo

24th January 2012, 22:51

We should not be quick to dismiss as BS ... and also not wallow in BS for any length of time. Therein lies the dilemma.

In my opinion, the dilemma occurs earlier than that. Given the nature of the deceptive game being played, we often cannot distinguish BS from truth. That is the real dilemma, and it is by design.

IMO, we can and should dismiss the virtual totality of claims made by those who are sketchy about their evidence or noncommittal wrt producing evidence, i.e. who appeal to the soft science of possibility and ignore the hard science of probability.

That's jumping to extremes. Too often, the hard evidence is lacking. In fact, almost all evidence is lacking, and that too is by design. The concept of plausible deniability is fundamental to the game of deception being perpetrated against us. Throwing away the sketchy evidence will leave us with nothing.

I propose that the proper way to deal with the realities of this dilemma is to throw nothing away. Keep every puzzle piece you are given, but with the realization that it may not be a part of the puzzle. Don't try to decide whether it is or not, because you cannot know. Instead, keep it handy, checking from time to time if it might fit the puzzle picture you are working on. Because that picture changes as it expands, any puzzle piece may be the one that fits the blank you need filled. Or it might be a better match than a piece you are currently using, because it has a better fit and superior context. Such a strategy will allow you to complete the puzzle and see the whole picture. Sure, you will also end up with a large pile of unused puzzle pieces, but that doesn't matter if you succeed in completing the puzzle picture. That, after all, is the goal -- to see the big picture and know the truth.

Odah

24th January 2012, 22:58

Descriptors change the meaning of the initial assertion. FWIW, I explicitly stated "even if some of it may be true" ...

In short, we are not dealing with the content per se (e.g. the B.S. or not B.S.) ... but a derivative of the content (e.g. the compromised conduit of information).

To wit, you can't lift a clean baby from the first tub of dirty bathwater. It takes several tubs. But we're in the crush of time now and don't have that luxury of emptying and refilling the tub.

:smow::typing:

all conduits of information are compromised ..for almost all of them have been insiders ..and fed information the powers that be wanted them to have ..in any case all the information points to a future controlled by them ..with no options ..for even if we replaced them the negative spiritual eliments behind this..will still be there ..and we will just replace them playing the same game ..

the only way to win is to stop giving them our power..and stop letting them scare and traumatize us so the vampire entities feed off our negative emotions ..they where discussing sociopaths lacking empathy in other threads .. that is no entirely true.. they know pain and hoe to use it.

It is really addictive to put people in a high emotional state and feed off that energy ..

magamud

24th January 2012, 23:00

I cant think of a better perception then Chico and Zooks take on things, just quick to the point. That is where the quarks manifest into structures. Everyone is doing very well here, if I may be so indulgent...

lightblue

24th January 2012, 23:44

but why get hung up on dmt taking elite and their et/demons/gremlin etc contacts?.....as long as they don't push it down our throats...god has a plan and neither demons or et know it....l

:crazy_pilot:

ZookieMonster

25th January 2012, 00:11

In my opinion, the dilemma occurs earlier than that. Given the nature of the deceptive game being played, we often cannot distinguish BS from truth. That is the real dilemma, and it is by design.

There is no dilemma with the probabilistic stuff, e.g. 9/11/2001 Inside Job, private Fed Reserve Act, JP Morgan vs Tesla, Agenda 21, Dolly Parton's cup size, etc. Observables are what they are. The dilemma begins with the imaginables, e.g. the soft stuff that is founded on possibility.

That's jumping to extremes. Too often, the hard evidence is lacking. In fact, almost all evidence is lacking, and that too is by design. The concept of plausible deniability is fundamental to the game of deception being perpetrated against us. Throwing away the sketchy evidence will leave us with nothing.

That standard of evidence either satisfies a minimum probability threshold ... or it does not. When it looks like a quacker, walks like a quacker, talks like a quacker ... then we know it's not a dromedary. Human measurements are what they are ... probabilities within confidence intervals. I submit that it is not extreme to dismiss the improbable (by reasonable standard of evidence) ... and may even be extreme to entertain the improbable at the expense of the probable. Living in finite time and space as travelers, I further submit that we are not afforded the luxury of infinite probation. That we must make our evaluations on the fly and on the known facts. The crush of time is hard on the elderly ... but no more generous on the scholarly.

IMO, tolerance for extreme views should be in proportion to the aberration of those views from the observable facts. As a rule. You'll always find the Copernican exceptions.

I propose that the proper way to deal with the realities of this dilemma is to throw nothing away. Keep every puzzle piece you are given, but with the realization that it may not be a part of the puzzle. Don't try to decide whether it is or not, because you cannot know. Instead, keep it handy, checking from time to time if it might fit the puzzle picture you are working on. Because that picture changes as it expands, any puzzle piece may be the one that fits the blank you need filled. Or it might be a better match than a piece you are currently using, because it has a better fit and superior context. Such a strategy will allow you to complete the puzzle and see the whole picture. Sure, you will also end up with a large pile of unused puzzle pieces, but that doesn't matter if you succeed in completing the puzzle picture. That, after all, is the goal -- to see the big picture and know the truth.

That's what our long term storage space is for, Chico ... biological diskspace ... to store information away. Not to keep loading up and consume our biological RAM, leaving a a diminished amount for useful data and processing. If newbies want in on the data set, the Nexus archives are there to access pro and con arguments for GFL, Ashyana Deane, Kerry and the Sunshine gals, Bob Dean, Inelia, Burisch, looking cubes, leering balls, all-seeing peaks of pyramids, jump rooms to Mars, etc..

I just happen to be one of those misfits who requires harder facts than "the vehicle of assertions" can deliver ... before I submit my biological RAM to the unbearable lightness of almost being. I respect that you may have much more RAM to throw around than I do.

:smow::jester:

Ross

25th January 2012, 00:47

Had this passed onto me from a dear friend:

Clockwork elves....machine elves, graham Hancock looked into this in his book supernatural. From dmt studies it seems that peeps injected with it go through a place where these 'elves' work at an interdimentional travel switch board. Rather like old telephone switch boards. However a person can be 'altered' in mind to bypass this and straight to place they want/know. It's the core of shamanism in our world, being able to 'travel'

Dreamwalker

25th January 2012, 00:59

any one know where i can get some DMT.just that i would like to see the truth for self.
and if it don,t work, well it might be a interesting trip:laugh:

Odah

25th January 2012, 01:25

That's what our long term storage space is for, Chico ... biological diskspace ... to store information away. Not to keep loading up and consume our biological RAM, leaving a a diminished amount for useful data and processing. If newbies want in on the data set, the Nexus archives are there to access pro and con arguments for GFL, Ashyana Deane, Kerry and the Sunshine gals, Bob Dean, Inelia, Burisch, looking cubes, leering balls, all-seeing peaks of pyramids, jump rooms to Mars, etc..

interestingly enough as far out as my views may seem.. i tend to dump out a lot of stuff that doesn't fit into what i see as the storyline of history ..aka a group of unseen entities empowering a small number of humans to dominate the rest of humanity..with the masses giving their power to higher forces ..and these entities feeding off the negative emotions of humanity..i prefer not to get to cought up with how it is done..or how they plan to keep doing it.. business as usual ..

The way this info is released though.. does make those in the alternative media ..good feasts for the beings behind this ..as this stuff is meant to touch off large amounts of negative emotions ..in a way the communty could be a better feasting ground for these beings than most of the rest of the population.. as many seem addicted to the fear porn of conspiracy research ..

lightblue

25th January 2012, 01:34

Had this passed onto me from a dear friend:

hancock may not be the best authority on the subject.. tho he tripped on ajauasca he bit more than he could chew - in his own words (one of the vid interviews).i.... fact remains he did have an experience but i am still most unsure what did he draw from it except seeing other beings we don't normally register... l

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Odah

25th January 2012, 01:52

hancock may not be the best authority on the subject.. tho he tripped on ajauasca he bit more than he could chew - in his own words (one of the vid interviews).i.... fact remains he did have an experience but i am still most unsure what did he draw from it except seeing other beings we don't normally register... l

:crazy_pilot:

Like the guru of death .. who cooked several of his high paying customers to death a few years ago.. claiming to be well versed in spiritual practice.. it is really scetchy to take part in some aspects of shamanic ritual without the lifetime of training to go along with it.. yes this being may have made him feel loved .. but a lot of these rituals had far more importance than research ....

Chicodoodoo

25th January 2012, 06:35

There is no dilemma with the probabilistic stuff, e.g. 9/11/2001 Inside Job, private Fed Reserve Act, JP Morgan vs Tesla, Agenda 21, Dolly Parton's cup size, etc.

I agree there is very little dilemma there.

Observables are what they are. The dilemma begins with the imaginables, e.g. the soft stuff that is founded on possibility.

Once again, I maintain the dilemma occurs earlier than that. It starts with the unobservables. The imaginables are a subset, to be sure, but there is far more in the set of unobservables than just the imaginables.

Note also in the set of observables is the subset of deceptions. That's where it looks like a quacker, walks like a quacker, talks like a quacker ... but it's not really a quacker.

That's what our long term storage space is for, Chico ... biological diskspace ... to store information away. Not to keep loading up and consume our biological RAM, leaving a a diminished amount for useful data and processing.

Agreed, but there is more to this than simply storing information away, meaning dismissing it. It is an iterative process. It goes back to my maxim, "question everything, dismiss nothing without good evidence". Part of questioning everything is questioning the evidence for what we have dismissed. That is the part where you periodically examine discarded puzzle pieces to see if they now have a place in the puzzle. Sure, we have limited time and limited brain capacity, so discernment is necessary to avoid being paralyzed or overwhelmed. It's a balancing act.

I respect that you may have much more RAM to throw around than I do.

Made me laugh! I'm sure we would both agree that the evidence for that is well below the minimum probability threshold.

ZookieMonster

25th January 2012, 17:55

[...]
Once again, I maintain the dilemma occurs earlier than that. It starts with the unobservables. The imaginables are a subset, to be sure, but there is far more in the set of unobservables than just the imaginables.

Unobservables and imaginables are the stuff of blind faith, you'll agree. Hey, whatever floats the boat is okay with me, Chico ... as long as it is not then associated with rational process and/or valid argument.

Note also in the set of observables is the subset of deceptions. That's where it looks like a quacker, walks like a quacker, talks like a quacker ... but it's not really a quacker.

Agreed. Which is where discernment earns its medals, as it were. To discern between the real McCoy and the facsimiles (reasonable and otherwise) is a variation of to be or not to be. Those who choose not to be are already ascended. My own surprise stems from the almost fact that these ascensioneers almost always stop at 10 or 12 almost dimensions. If the almost math allows it, why not go for the googolplex of dimensions, I say? I mean, the fractal Universe has no upper limit in the best of times, and no lower limit in the worst, wot?
:jester:

Agreed, but there is more to this than simply storing information away, meaning dismissing it. It is an iterative process. It goes back to my maxim, "question everything, dismiss nothing without good evidence". Part of questioning everything is questioning the evidence for what we have dismissed. That is the part where you periodically examine discarded puzzle pieces to see if they now have a place in the puzzle. Sure, we have limited time and limited brain capacity, so discernment is necessary to avoid being paralyzed or overwhelmed. It's a balancing act.

Again, agreed. Discernment. Balancing acts. These things are the guiding lanterns of a healthy life. I would submit that the best arrangement (or balance) of things is not in the time-driven fragmentation of the stored information drive ... but in periodic defragmentation of the hard disk AND post-defrag management of corrupted sectors (e.g. deletion/erasure). In short, recognize the corrupted sectors and dismiss/delete them to make the storage facility available for new data. The storage facility is finite <---------- important consideration. I still have several hard drives that have data on them (some from the 90s) ... retired largely because their storage capacity wasn't big enough for my purposes.

I respect that you may have much more RAM to throw around than I do.
Made me laugh! I'm sure we would both agree that the evidence for that is well below the minimum probability threshold.

LoL. Well, our processors and storage drives are comparable, sure enough ... but there is no doubt in my mind that you have triple or quadruple the biological RAM. So much RAM that you don't miss a sale when all kinds of curiosity shops open their doors on Nexus Street. Me?? My brain begins to cringe when I'm tempted in by the advertising crayons on the front page of Nexus. Love and Light Lollipops from Camelot; Billy Meier and dinosaurs on the Avalon tours; Mad Hatters from other Alicean wonderlands ... Helsinki, by the time I get me back to a fact-based thread, I'm barely able to stand up ... and confabulated beyond all repair that even a hundred million hydroxyl groups would have a time of it getting me up to speed again. In those times, I feel so abandoned by the thinking peoples ... that it feels like no one can set my brain cranking again, not even the White Queen of the Neuron Nymphs bearing giant jugs of intellect! Of course, invariably, just before I hop the hops and jump headfirst into a hangman's noose ... I feel an obligation to all the good folks, truthseekers, thinking peoples of Nexus and the world at large ... and will myself to contribute towards the righteous causes. Wish I had more RAM. Then I could allocate a good chunk of it Dan Dubious (I mean, Burisch); Colleen Caterwaul (I mean, Thomas); Ashyana Ascended (you know who I mean); Bill Balsam (I mean, Wood; or whatever his real name is) ... and their enablers, including King Ryan, Queen Kerry ... and their secret love child, Crownprince Wilcock.

Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing::smow::rain::drum:

ps: The first law of discernment: don't waste too much time on things already rejected by your intuition. Entertain for the sake of completeness. Then complete it. :jester:

Odah

25th January 2012, 18:16

ps: The first law of discernment: don't waste too much time on things already rejected by your intuition. Entertain for the sake of completeness. Then complete it.

totally agree ..

Chicodoodoo

25th January 2012, 19:14

Unobservables and imaginables are the stuff of blind faith, you'll agree.

No. Unobservables include magnetic fields, X-rays, black holes, nuclear radiation, and perhaps even consciousness. No one observes them directly, but are they the stuff of blind faith? Our ability to "see" can change, and unobservables can become observables, if we know what to look for.

The first law of discernment: don't waste too much time on things already rejected by your intuition. Entertain for the sake of completeness. Then complete it.

Is it a law, or a starting point? How much time is "too much"? What exactly is intuition? Why trust intuition over evidence and reason? What makes you think "complete" is a permanent state?

Yeah, that "question everything" maxim can be annoying, just like the "dismiss nothing" part....

Krystic

25th January 2012, 20:00

again...it's the game of keeping people stuck in the 3d mind 5 sense reality field that is the greatest tool of the controllers..if you want to base your "reality" at that level you will NEVER get far in the game..y

.are we to rely on MAINSTREAM science to "prove" to us what is real or imaginary while the secret HIDDEN science is years ahead in their "provables" and they dictate things from there
..are we to rely on our rigid 3d worldview to
prove to us what is real or imaginary while the psychics,remote viewers,spiritual vampires etc use their higher sensory perception and satanic ritualistic power to control the masses...WHICH THEY DO.

NO.we are here to awaken our higher senses so that we can KNOW how to play the REAL game...which is a war over CONCIOUSNESS...way beyond the 3d 5 sense reality understandings ...we must go way beyond politics,economics,3d mind debating...when we awaken our higher senses and ORGANIC GOD connection we will graduate...until then people who insist on sticking to the 3d mind 5 sense reality world view will continue to argue for their limitations and keep themselves trapped in their imaginary prisons...those who have awoken at least some of their higher senses KNOW this to be true...those who are addicted to internet forums and 3d mind debating don't even give themselves a chance to prove to themselves how real and powerful their extrasensory abilities are,,their monkey minds keep them occupied with relatively trivial matters

When we develop clearer communication with our essence we no longer look outside ourselves for prosperity,health,authority etc,,,which takes all the power away from these outside forces that want us to remain stuck in the 3d 5 sense reality "solutions" to these issues...namely politicians,doctors,economists..all 3d 5 sense mind slaves...

BE SOVEREIGN.nurture your inner GOD CONNECTION...instead of the mind masturbation that you have been conditioned to believe will solve things,can't you see that you are just going around and around in your VERY limited view of yourself and reality...always theorising but not experiencing gets you nowhere fast

reaver

25th January 2012, 20:27

So says the guy who went on to buy gold and silver for a 3D potential problem and keeps posting interviews which address 3D issues.

Krystic

25th January 2012, 20:36

Northern Boy

25th January 2012, 20:45

NO.we are here to awaken our higher senses so that we can KNOW how to play the REAL game...which is a war over CONCIOUSNESS...way beyond the 3d 5 sense reality understandings ...we must go way beyond politics,economics,3d mind debating...when we awaken our higher senses and ORGANIC GOD connection we will graduate...until then people who insist on sticking to the 3d mind 5 sense reality world view will continue to argue for their limitations and keep themselves trapped in their imaginary prisons...those who have awoken at least some of their higher senses KNOW this to be true...those who are addicted to internet forums and 3d mind debating don't even give themselves a chance to prove to themselves how real and powerful their extrasensory abilities are,,their monkey minds keep them occupied with relatively trivial matters

When we develop clearer communication with our essence we no longer look outside ourselves for prosperity,health,authority etc,,,which takes all the power away from these outside forces that want us to remain stuck in the 3d 5 sense reality "solutions" to these issues...namely politicians,doctors,economists..all 3d 5 sense mind slaves...

BE SOVEREIGN.nurture your inner GOD CONNECTION...instead of the mind masturbation that you have been conditioned to believe will solve things,can't you see that you are just going around and around in your VERY limited view of yourself and reality...always theorising but not experiencing gets you nowhere fast

Are you at that stage yet where you are able to do all of this? If so why do you badger us with what we are doing is it that boring there as well. I understand that your reality is controlled by you or is it> If you walk in front of the bus will the bus pass thru you or over you ? will you merely feel the wind rush by as it pass`s thru or will the force of the impact result in turning you into something resembling road kill or medium ground beef

the reason i ask is because till we are able to reach that state we are stuck having to deal with everything else and if we ignore it now then we get the shaft if the bus for spiritual enlightenment shows up and we don`t have correct change

magamud

25th January 2012, 21:00

Krystic badgers because he himself is missing the grounding component which you have NB. No sh it there is a Gap! Just keep working on thawing the ice. Everyone is making progress..:victory:

ZookieMonster

25th January 2012, 21:02

again...it's the game of keeping people stuck in the 3d mind 5 sense reality field that is the greatest tool of the controllers..if you want to base your "reality" at that level you will NEVER get far in the game..y

I need physical or metaphysical proofs ... not assertions and angels on a pin doing Bill Ray Cyrus's line dance on a point.

.are we to rely on MAINSTREAM science to "prove" to us what is real or imaginary while the secret HIDDEN science is years ahead in their "provables" and they dictate things from there
..are we to rely on our rigid 3d worldview to
prove to us what is real or imaginary while the psychics,remote viewers,spiritual vampires etc use their higher sensory perception and satanic ritualistic power to control the masses...WHICH THEY DO.

Assumption. Where's the proof? I can appreciate those who recall past lives ... that is provable (although the tests need to be objectively designed to weed out charlatans, e.g. metaphysical proof). Alas, none of the esoteric dimensional stuff - that has plagued Nexus and the other alternative media forums - has so far met objective design ... just hearsay, wild conjectures, and outright charlatanry. An exception to the rule may be a thread or two on the study of reincarnation.

NO.we are here to awaken our higher senses so that we can KNOW how to play the REAL game...which is a war over CONCIOUSNESS...way beyond the 3d 5 sense reality understandings ...we must go way beyond politics,economics,3d mind debating...when we awaken our higher senses and ORGANIC GOD connection we will graduate...until then people who insist on sticking to the 3d mind 5 sense reality world view will continue to argue for their limitations and keep themselves trapped in their imaginary prisons...those who have awoken at least some of their higher senses KNOW this to be true...those who are addicted to internet forums and 3d mind debating don't even give themselves a chance to prove to themselves how real and powerful their extrasensory abilities are,,their monkey minds keep them occupied with relatively trivial matters

If we're all monkey minds here, and maybe we are ... at least there is honesty in that recognition. Honest people don't declare things beyond which they cannot manifest or prove. It's just not cricket, Mystic. Not when the clarity of mind is the mind's main purpose. Know thyself <------------ the identity function as applied to the self. This function can be applied across board ... to objects of any kind. When applied to the mind object, clarity is the destination. An unclear mind is one that has no target destination. Pursuing clarity then ... is not clutching at blind faith - but the exact opposite - because blind faith can never offer clarity. The false gurus know this ... so they do the next best thing and pretend clarity by performing magic tricks, suggestive programming, false manifestation, etc. All minds are geared for clarity. Unfortunately, all too many minds are weak and susceptible to false clarity.

When we develop clearer communication with our essence we no longer look outside ourselves for prosperity,health,authority etc,,,which takes all the power away from these outside forces that want us to remain stuck in the 3d 5 sense reality "solutions" to these issues...namely politicians,doctors,economists..all 3d 5 sense mind slaves...

BE SOVEREIGN.nurture your inner GOD CONNECTION...instead of the mind masturbation that you have been conditioned to believe will solve things,can't you see that you are just going around and around in your VERY limited view of yourself and reality...always theorising but not experiencing gets you nowhere fast

My Creator (henceforth referred to as such because I do not need to communicate to others that which is already known by them by their own brains) ... gave me my mind. My Creator designed the mind (and its encasing, eg. brain) to think for itself. MY Creator designed the mind with logic faculties. IMHO, faith is a runtime error of the logic function, procedure, subroutine, etc..

:smow::typing:

ps: You better fix your runtime errors, Mystic ... no one will fix them for you.

Amerillo

25th January 2012, 21:11

I need physical or metaphysical proofs ... not assertions and angels on a pin doing Bill Ray Cyrus's line dance on a point..

Zook you don't get it. The idea is to leave your critical mind and thinking behind and enter the blisfull state of nothingsness. You're wasting your time with these 3D dialectics... :sarcastic:

magamud

25th January 2012, 21:14

The Scientific mind is a Virtue. Analyzing the semiosphere at its emergence. It then, hopefully, through Eternal Vigilance, unbiasedly categorizes, organizes to a level of communality understanding, so each can Choose for themselves. This is a grounding property that is lacking on the other pole...

Evidence beyond the virtuous scientist reference, will be put to the test in this Narrative. An excellent challenge to observe how anomalies get processed.

ZookieMonster

25th January 2012, 21:33

No. Unobservables include magnetic fields, X-rays, black holes, nuclear radiation, and perhaps even consciousness. No one observes them directly, but are they the stuff of blind faith? Our ability to "see" can change, and unobservables can become observables, if we know what to look for.

Unobservables <------ that which cannot be measured, not that which is not yet measured. In science parlance, observable and measurable are interchangeable terms.
Unobserved <-------- that which is not yet measured.

Hope that clears things up. That being said, when the time arrives when things are observed (e.g. discovered) ... then they automatically belong to the set of observables. Prior to initial discovery and change to observable status, all things are defaulted to the set of unobservables. Which is slightly different from the set of unobserved, because the unobserved has the (semantic) expectation of discovery, e.g. yet unobserved, i.e. in theory, but not yet in fact. Of course, one cannot have yet unobservable.

Is it a law, or a starting point? How much time is "too much"? What exactly is intuition? Why trust intuition over evidence and reason? What makes you think "complete" is a permanent state?
Yeah, that "question everything" maxim can be annoying, just like the "dismiss nothing" part....

Intuition, IMO, is a derivative of extensive exposure to evidence and reason, e.g. experiential wisdom.

As for completeness, I anchor the scope of the noun to human proportion and locality. I don't think it wise to look beyond our limited proportion and locality ... to the proportion and universality of our mutual omniscient Creator. We live in a small material container. Let's not aspire to things that wobble the WEEbles that we are, for all intents and purposes. Much - if not all - of the New Age stuff attempts to wobble us. And we being weebles can oblige and fall down ... or refuse and weeble on. Nothing wrong with weebling, my friend. Some of my merriest times are spent weebling along the real axis (on the Argand plane). No imagination required. Just my two eyes and their first cousin senses. Of course, I wobble from time to time by jumping off the real axis and onto the plane. And I stop weebling altogether in my dreams when the only sense I have is a pineal sense of things.

Getting back on course, your maxim would be more meaningful, IMO, if it was modified to "Question everything, dismiss some things.".

:smow::jester:

reaver

25th January 2012, 21:43

I'm not saying the 3d is worthless and that we should just sit and meditate all day...20 mins a day creates HUGE beneffits and breakthroughs for a LOT of people..just another example fo how unplugging from the matrix and connecting in to higher planes is SO important
You say it is not worthless, but the language you use points towards something different:

again...it's the game of keeping people stuck in the 3d mind 5 sense reality field that is the greatest tool of the controllers..if you want to base your "reality" at that level you will NEVER get far in the game..y

when we awaken our higher senses and ORGANIC GOD connection we will graduate...
Oh yeah some higher senses to connect to someone's god and graduate from the horrible 3D reality. Even tough the godhead permeates all reality, that fact would be erased from the subjects awareness to justify a quick escape to some far away dimension.

until then people who insist on sticking to the 3d mind 5 sense reality world view will continue to argue for their limitations and keep themselves trapped in their imaginary prisons...
And here you keep denying the mind. Even tough thoughts are in no way "3D", but of course the urge to escape is stronger that having the wisdom for self-contemplation.

When we develop clearer communication with our essence we no longer look outside ourselves for prosperity,health,authority etc,,,which takes all the power away from these outside forces that want us to remain stuck in the 3d 5 sense reality "solutions" to these issues...namely politicians,doctors,economists..all 3d 5 sense mind slaves...

An essence which according to you is in some far away 5 dimensional space. The language which provides escapism keeps surfacing, you equal the 5 senses and the mind as the prison itself... even if they can be used for progress you rather deny it and embrace some comfortable 5D space.

.and almost everything I post is about recognising that the issues we face come from beyond 3d 5 sense reality structures SO THE SOLUTIONS NEED to come from there as well...

Why is it that you aren't willing to think about things SERIOUSLY beyond the 5sense 3d mind cage you are so firmly imprisoning yourselves in.
And should we now adopt a 5D energetic cage provided by Inellia, Renee and/or Ashayana Deane? let the so called true light take over? let the guardians of Ashayana activate the stargates? Place faith in Renee's legions of Indigos?

Our intuition and inner self/guidance is so much wiser than our 3d linear minds will ever be...this part of ourselves informs us what actions to take in 3d and above so much better than the rational linear mind will ever be able to do
Yeah so we should proceed to severe the connection with mind and body, no?. For some reason it seems that the axiom "As above, so below" is foreign to you, instead of trying to establish a healthy connection between the different aspects of Self, you rather obliterate the ugly physical aspect... yet you are trapped in the 3D prison too, to reduce the pain you have to rely on some "higher senses"?. You say the mind is linear by default, guess it escapes you than you can train your mind to be more dynamic.

magamud

25th January 2012, 21:55

Right on point Reaver. Krystic is giving us a good example of intuition stretching for conceptualization and thank God he is here to tough it out. This analogy is much like the optic nerve. With this in mind you can see the seriousness of the situation and how easy you can sell your soul. This makes more sense when you couple the possibility of consciousness and matter closing the Gap, maybe like the dreamworld and the Real world coming together. This New Agism Blind spot is in epidemic proportions. Polarized Intuitives and Scientists oh my.

I am giving credit to K for holding a truth intuitively. Not that he would want it...

Jenci

25th January 2012, 21:57

When we develop clearer communication with our essence we no longer look outside ourselves for prosperity,health,authority etc,,,which takes all the power away from these outside forces that want us to remain stuck in the 3d 5 sense reality "solutions" to these issues...namely politicians,doctors,economists..all 3d 5 sense mind slaves...

BE SOVEREIGN.nurture your inner GOD CONNECTION...instead of the mind masturbation that you have been conditioned to believe will solve things,can't you see that you are just going around and around in your VERY limited view of yourself and reality...always theorising but not experiencing gets you nowhere fast

Hi Krystic,

It's one thing to know what Consciousness is, it's another thing to perceive life as Consciousness - it's perception is no judgement, no critisim, no division, no conflict, no argument, no 'better than'.

From reading your posts, this is not what you are promoting.

Our linear minds are very clever and can trick us into believing they are Consciousness but the very nature of how we perceive life, gives away the mind's trickery.

Jeanette

Odah

25th January 2012, 21:57

i love that little box people who think they are advanced or beyon the game get into when they look at humanity ..with contempt .. it is quite amusing.. as it puts them in a mindset close to those who rule the world ..

in any case you are still in the 3d 5 sence game while your human and living on the surface of the earth ..for the very near future anyway ..part of being enlightened is to not take yourself so seriously ... and to avoid ego driven contempt filled posts about the rest of humanity ..

magamud

25th January 2012, 22:11

Hi Krystic,

It's one thing to know what Consciousness is, it's another thing to perceive life as Consciousness -
Whats the difference?
it's perception is no judgement, no critisim, no division, no conflict, no argument, no 'better than'.
OY Vey the no mind thing again...

From reading your posts, this is not what you are promoting.
I think hes pointing in the same direction but has not lost is analytical mind as of yet!

Our linear minds are very clever and can trick us into believing they are Consciousness
Obviously

but the very nature of how we perceive life, gives away the mind's trickery.
Any Mind would be considered Trickery for you J.

Jeanette

oy gevalt....
Your perception is True J, its just a matter of application and Wisdom. Its not a Platitude!

---------- Post added at 17:11 ---------- Previous post was at 17:08 ----------

i love that little box people who think they are advanced or beyon the game get into when they look at humanity ..with contempt .. it is quite amusing.. as it puts them in a mindset close to those who rule the world ..

in any case you are still in the 3d 5 sence game while your human and living on the surface of the earth ..for the very near future anyway ..part of being enlightened is to not take yourself so seriously ... and to avoid ego driven contempt filled posts about the rest of humanity ..

Who the Fu ck are you talking about OD?
Or maybe you should take your own advice on contempt?

reaver

25th January 2012, 22:25

I figure the dialectic has been fed by sociopathic beings and human stupidity, one could argue on which one has a deeper impact. Compartments have been created where you either ground yourself in physical reality and glorify it or you go "beyond" the physical reality and glorify that which is beyond your grasp while you lose physical awareness. To an extent it looks like a nexus between the physical and other facets of Self and existence is undesireable. You have to wonder about forces who would want the schism between religion/intuition/philosophy and science/reason/logic to keep burning in people's psyche. In a sense this cancerous dialectic is reflected in the systematic murder of Self. The different parts of Self are seen (by some) as separate entities with actual barriers, I'd say a more healthy approach is to see the different parts of Self as points of reference with a sort of membrane -as Magamud puts it-. One would hope this membrane won't comparmentalize the different aspects of Self, yet at the same time it won't allow a complete chaos where the different aspects are mashed up together to the point where Self-identity becomes a hideous mess.

Jenci

25th January 2012, 22:37

Whats the difference?

To know Consciousness - to intellectually understand in the mind what it is. To perceive life as Consciousness - to directly experience life as Consciousness.

OY Vey the no mind thing again...
Not at all. There is nothing wrong with mind. Mind is included in all of it. And mind will always continue to judge, criticise, compare, label etc. But mind is not the whole, it's just a part of it. Let's say that mind sits in its rightful place as a tool, rather than the sense of identity which perceives the world.

So when life is perceived directly as Consciousness, mind can continue judging and criticising but it is not believed that its (the mind) contents are the Self. So therefore the Self projects outwardly to others in a non-criticising, non-judgemental way.

I think hes pointing in the same direction but has not lost is analytical mind as of yet!
Perhaps. I don't know him. I can only see his comments which are being made to others here.

Any Mind would be considered Trickery for you J.
Certainly my mind used to trick me a lot. Not so much these days because I have spend much time watching it and its patterns. I still like my mind. It can be quite useful at times....it still gets me in trouble though at times :)

magamud

25th January 2012, 22:40

This is called sovereignty and it aint easy, but its worth it.
You got it, polarize the physicalize and mental games to veer away from self. Religion to splitting atoms. To much on one side the other side compensates. I have a picture of an expanding and contracting bubble which im trying to show on you tube but I cant find it...

Amerillo

25th January 2012, 22:41

What about the membrane and the "borrowed" space of Nth dimensions spiritual beings?

magamud

25th January 2012, 22:45

What about the membrane and the "borrowed" space of Nth dimensions spiritual beings?

Well be easy on folks Amer, everyone is going to have compartments...

I probably should use my Akh disclaimer card to cool things down...:close_tema:

Odah

25th January 2012, 23:04

Who the Fu ck are you talking about OD?
Or maybe you should take your own advice on contempt?

i show no contempt for humanity or as little as possible.. as i to am in the game and just see what is going on.. as we are all in the game .. it really doesn't serve us to shower contempt on the rest of humanity ..though we may enter a future without them ruling..or we could end up in on with them still ruling ..contempt is definately not a positive emotion in the bag of emotions..such a 3d emotion almost as bad as hate ..

all in all there is work to do

magamud

25th January 2012, 23:09

i show no contempt for humanity or as little as possible.. as i to am in the game and just see what is going on.. as we are all in the game .. it really doesn't serve us to shower contempt on the rest of humanity ..though we may enter a future without them ruling..or we could end up in on with them still ruling ..contempt is definately not a positive emotion in the bag of emotions..such a 3d emotion almost as bad as hate ..

all in all there is work to do

Well you sure gave "Contempt" a good description there O. I guess ill use a Yoda quote.
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

I wish it was that simple O and your right, there is a lot of work to do.
Godspeed...

HURRITT ENYETO

25th January 2012, 23:09

And Hurritt, the monkeys he's talking about were part of a test conducted by the University of Texas. Why do you assume it's not true? A lot of people don't like his style--I do. But if you DON'T listen because you've decided he's full of ❤❤❤❤ and just in it to make money you are in no position to judge him.

You sound like you have your own position on Alex Jones, and i didn't listen because i have previously listened to him and that's why i made the comment i did :)
I have unfortunately, now listened to the interview because of some of the comments here (i thought i may have been missing something important) I stand by what i said originally 100%.
What do you think about his comments on everyone volunteering to live in Pods'??
And he may well have seen monkeys hooked up to TV's, so what? its old news.

ye hurritt, why comment if you haven't listened to this piece of broadcast...it's not in contradiction to what we are on about here....l

I commented because i felt like it.
And i have now wasted another 10 mins of my life after watching it.
Talking of evidence, where is Alexes evidence on the CIA and all thier 'Pods' that they are going to make us all live in?? :unsure:
I couldn't find the page AJ was looking at on the Technorati website, i would like to see that too.
If Alex Jones was right in half of his insane paranoid ramblings i wouldn't dismiss him as dissinfo fear mongeror.
I am not saying he has not done some good stuff, all the best dissinfo agents do, you know, truth mixed with lies? apparently its working!

Hurritt

Chicodoodoo

25th January 2012, 23:12

Unobservables <------ that which cannot be measured, not that which is not yet measured. In science parlance, observable and measurable are interchangeable terms.
Unobserved <-------- that which is not yet measured.

Hope that clears things up.

A very valiant effort, to be sure, and much appreciated. Try measuring consciousness, or love, or the universe, all of which are observable. And the problem of communicating clearly and unambiguously still trips us up, is observable, and yet may be unmeasurable. Are we still oversimplifying? Yes, and we can hardly do otherwise. Such a conundrum!

Sometimes I feel I am totally inadequate to tackle the task at hand.

Intuition, IMO, is a derivative of extensive exposure to evidence and reason, e.g. experiential wisdom.

I know I am totally inadequate to tackle that one.

As for completeness, I anchor the scope of the noun to human proportion and locality. I don't think it wise to look beyond our limited proportion and locality ...

Ah, where to draw the line between limited scope and the bigger picture. I am humbled by my ignorance, and amazed by your boldness.

your maxim would be more meaningful, IMO, if it was modified to "Question everything, dismiss some things.".

And I was sure its power was in questioning the dismissals....

Chicodoodoo

25th January 2012, 23:21

its old news.

Interesting oxymoron. A similar dismissal I've heard often recently is "Nothing new there." Is the value of information determined by its freshness? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I would think the value of truth is ageless.

Just thinking out loud....

HURRITT ENYETO

25th January 2012, 23:33

Interesting oxymoron.

Maybe i should have said old tech then :)

A similar dismissal I've heard often recently is "Nothing new there." Is the value of information determined by its freshness?

No Chico, it isn't, but bullsh1t is bullsh1t no matter how old or fresh it is.

Hurritt

reaver

25th January 2012, 23:50

A very valiant effort, to be sure, and much appreciated. Try measuring consciousness, or love, or the universe, all of which are observable. And the problem of communicating clearly and unambiguously still trips us up, is observable, and yet may be unmeasurable. Are we still oversimplifying? Yes, and we can hardly do otherwise. Such a conundrum!

Sometimes I feel I am totally inadequate to tackle the task at hand.
Gradual steps me thinks, you go on refining your abilities and there are always vast layers which are left unexplored. Some things are observable but unmeasurable, others are not observable (at least not to the naked eye) but measurable. Tools can be build to help you refine your perception, whether they be physical, like microscopes or abstract, such as thought patterns. Even after all of this you still would be missing layers and details for a different number of reasons, some may have something to do with you, other times they can be the result of changes in reality. Not a simple nor straightforward task, but it is priceless IMO. In a sense it's like seeing the metaphorical metamorphosis of the caterpillar into a butterfly, over and over again. A dynamic flow of evolution and adaptation.

norman

25th January 2012, 23:51

Alex is having a rant here about the Elites taking DMT to get in touch with entities - the clockwork elves.

It's unusual for Alex to talk about this "David Ickey" stuff as he calls it. He mentions many times that he shouldn't be going into this, we are not ready for it.

He mentioned a facility he has been into many times and seen monkeys hooked up to TV screens. I think the gist of what he is saying is that they are experimenting on the monkeys to see how they can keep us asleep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BKzuzjjCro

source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BKzuzjjCro

Jeanette

I have a recording of Alex getting slightly into a hint about his true grasp as it currently is.

He has to be very careful what he says on his show for 2 good reasons, and I agree with both of them.

1) His greatest contribution to the current pardigm is as an early alarm call for the seriously fast asleep.

2) his main finincial support structure is based deep in the American Christian community.

Having got that said, here's a link to the recording I made of him hinting:

https://www.filemail.com/dl.aspx?id=PZHHZNEWOLXHARI

It's a limited download service so if it's all exhausted and gone by the time you get around to clicking on it, give me a shout and I'll see what I can do.

magamud

26th January 2012, 00:48

Ya man thx Norman. The whole Black Project specter is coming up and its the fricken Devil with a Hal 9000 smoking a big Fat Cigar. Hes got both contrasts too. Playing the Black vs. White hats in musical chairs, just as long as you dont think on that one thing. Hows that for humor...:big_boss:
Its the same Narrative popping up with all these whistleblowers, abuductees, spiritualist, scientist, and regular Joe's in general.
Its an interesting show no doubt...

Chicodoodoo

26th January 2012, 02:15

No Chico, it isn't, but bullsh1t is bullsh1t no matter how old or fresh it is.

Same for truth. The problem still remains: how to tell them apart, and how to be sure that you are not mistaken. And that further corroborates my point that freshness is immaterial.

ZookieMonster

26th January 2012, 02:43

I'm not saying "stop brushing your teeth"....or buying gold..I'm not saying the 3d is worthless and that we should just sit and meditate all day...20 mins a day creates HUGE beneffits and breakthroughs for a LOT of people..just another example fo how unplugging from the matrix and connecting in to higher planes is SO important

Connecting to higher planes without any shred of physical or metaphysical proof of those higher planes ... is plugging into the matrix, not unplugging from it.

.and almost everything I post is about recognising that the issues we face come from beyond 3d 5 sense reality structures SO THE SOLUTIONS NEED to come from there as well...

funny how you Chicoo and Zookie just can't seem to grasp that.Why is it that you aren't willing to think about things SERIOUSLY beyond the 5sense 3d mind cage you are so firmly imprisoning yourselves in.

EXPERIENCE these things and you will KNOW that they are not imaginary ...millions of people have intuitive proofs everyday..they give themselves the chance to as they are not so firmly mind controlled and locked in to linear thinking.

I believe in my own intuition, nobody else's. And my intuition tells me that much of the stuff you bring over from Kerry's kaleidoscopic hub of hubbub, Mystic - indeed, all - isn't worthy of the high spiritual plane that I seek personally, namely, one devoid of profit motives (as is common to mercantile exchange). When someone seeks profit by deceiving others, confusing others, stringing others along so that they may receive material benefit ... then the plane they stand on is probably as hot as a tin roof in Hades. My intuition.

It's so ironic that you guys speak of mind control so often yet you argue for that same mind control within that mind control.
Our intuition and inner self/guidance is so much wiser than our 3d linear minds will ever be...this part of ourselves informs us what actions to take in 3d and above so much better than the rational linear mind will ever be able to do

Yes it is.

:smow::jester:

magamud

26th January 2012, 02:46

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yjxsQCLQxYo/TDmKHfimliI/AAAAAAAAA8o/_OzoNF1md80/s1600/John_Petrucci_-_Suspended_Animation_%2528album%2529.jpg

Little Ode to the Clockwork Elves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ode

John Petrucci - Damage Control Suspended Animation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8pUqln36po
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8pUqln36po

ZookieMonster

26th January 2012, 02:48

Odah

26th January 2012, 03:35

I believe in my own intuition, nobody else's. And my intuition tells me that much of the stuff you bring over from Kerry's kaleidoscopic hub of hubbub, Mystic - indeed, all - isn't worthy of the high spiritual plane that I seek personally, namely, one devoid of profit motives (as is common to mercantile exchange). When someone seeks profit by deceiving others, confusing others, stringing others along so that they may receive material benefit ... then the plane they stand on is probably as hot as a tin roof in Hades. My intuition.

oh i like this statement .. but profit motive are not evil by themselves we all want to get something of value to us that brings us a gain in a trade ..the key is to get your profit fairly .. where you add value to something and get a fair price for what you add from the buyer... instead of working in big soul destroying enterprises where if your doing work of value most of the profits get taken and put into someone else's pocket ..or they get shifted to pay many many other people who do not do much of value ..

I think the growth motive is much worse than the profit motive.. as people grow business to have people under them and feel more important and powerfull .. more more more.. an unquenchable need for more ..the poison that drives the system ..more growth ..more profit ..more debt ..

i will settle for making a fair profit for value delivered that allows me to live my best life ..there are many ways to profit from fair exchange of value ..

yes for now and for the forceable future we live in a world where we have to pay to live ...

ZookieMonster

26th January 2012, 03:42

[...]

Not at all. There is nothing wrong with mind. Mind is included in all of it. And mind will always continue to judge, criticise, compare, label etc. But mind is not the whole, it's just a part of it. Let's say that mind sits in its rightful place as a tool, rather than the sense of identity which perceives the world.
[...]

I would extend that thought, Jence, by remarking that the mind does not need to prove anything to anyone in isolation ... it can travel from dimensions 1 to (10 or 12) ... to fractaline infinity. It's when it wants to communicate with other minds that a standard of proof must be borne. How do we bridge a billion minds? By the assertions of one mind? Or by the standard of many minds? Therein lies the disconnect with types like Ashyana, Sai Baba, Osho, Inelia, etc. ... they see themselves as the source of knowledge and wisdom (e.g. spiritual enlightenment) and attempt to communicate their self-vectored magnitudes to others in words and decrees. Alas, real spirituality is a vector that originates from within and points outward. And it doesn't communicate with words, but deeds. Exempli gratia, enlightened love is an extension of the self through deeds of kindness, of charity, of caring, of teaching, of listening, of the desire for nonself, etc. etc. The deed has no vector pointing back at the doer saying, "You owe me!" Yet all the aforementioned - by knowingly participating in the establishment of a cult, however large or small, with themselves as the cult figure - betray that important tenet of real spirituality, e.g. a vector that originates inside and points outward.

To wit, these cranial buckets of knowledge and wisdom ... suffer from a sense of self-proportion that would unsettle any real spiritualist <-------- humble creatures, these. Invariably, these psychopaths operate by reversing the spiritual vector (the giving vector which gives freely to the surroundings) ... so that it now pulls from the surroundings and deposits inside (e.g. the taking vector, as it were). Humble opinions all around.

:smow::typing:

ps: Sorry, didn't mean to get too far off-topic ... but I needed to extend the point about the mind. In isolation, the entire Universe is accessible and requires but faith alone. In collective union with other minds, the standard of the many is the arbiter of knowledge and wisdom, and this arbitration is more commonly known as science.

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This is called sovereignty and it aint easy, but its worth it.
You got it, polarize the physicalize and mental games to veer away from self. Religion to splitting atoms. To much on one side the other side compensates. I have a picture of an expanding and contracting bubble which im trying to show on you tube but I cant find it...

Excellent point, Mags.

Polarize the metaphysical (mind) and the physical (body) ... and conquer both. Somatic and psychotic zombies! :jester:

magamud

26th January 2012, 04:16

Polarize the metaphysical (mind) and the physical (body) ... and conquer both. Somatic and psychotic zombies!
Right on the nail Zook.
The Priapeia is a collection of ninety-five poems in various meters on subjects pertaining to the phallic god Priapus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priapeia

Priapeia
Obscenis, peream, Priape, si non
uti me pudet improbisque verbis
sed cum tu posito deus pudore
ostendas mihi coleos patentes
cum cunno mihi mentula est vocanda

"I'd rather die than use obscene and improper words; but when you, Priapus, as a god, appear with your testicles hanging out, it is appropriate for me to speak of cu nts and cocks."
In other words. Fu ck the Clockwork Elves and their master they rode in on.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Mercury_god.jpg
An example of a sopio (see below), the god Mercury was depicted with an enormous penis on this fresco from Pompeii.

Janos

26th January 2012, 05:32

Interesting oxymoron. A similar dismissal I've heard often recently is "Nothing new there." Is the value of information determined by its freshness? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I would think the value of truth is ageless.

Just thinking out loud....

There is all kinds of valuable information that has been locked away in the past. Things that were 'common' once upon a time, is now unknown or virtually unknown. Technologies and knowledge lost or forgotten. I'd love to find some of THAT 'old news'. :)

And to the next comment regarding BS.

I'd prefer Ancient AEgyptian BS over, say, modern American BS. It just seems like it would be much more interesting. ;)

Janos

26th January 2012, 05:54

Alas, real spirituality is a vector that originates from within and points outward. And it doesn't communicate with words, but deeds. Exempli gratia, enlightened love is an extension of the self through deeds of kindness, of charity, of caring, of teaching, of listening, of the desire for nonself, etc. etc. The deed has no vector pointing back at the doer saying, "You owe me!" Yet all the aforementioned - by knowingly participating in the establishment of a cult, however large or small, with themselves as the cult figure - betray that important tenet of real spirituality, e.g. a vector that originates inside and points outward.

To wit, these cranial buckets of knowledge and wisdom ... suffer from a sense of self-proportion that would unsettle any real spiritualist <-------- humble creatures, these. Invariably, these psychopaths operate by reversing the spiritual vector (the giving vector which gives freely to the surroundings) ... so that it now pulls from the surroundings and deposits inside (e.g. the taking vector, as it were). Humble opinions all around.

Sweet mother of muffin-tops, Zook, I almost had coffee come out my nose on that one. Ye may not have intended it to be funny, but the ?taking vector? just struck me as hilarious. True, but utterly hilarious.

Aye, they indeed have ?deposits?, as in from your bank accounts, and they?ll operate that ?taking vector? just as long as folks are gullible enough to keep paying them for their so called ?knowledge?.

The truly enlightened ? on any subject ? will willingly impart their knowledge free of strings and profit attachments.

There is nothing wrong with giving a heartfelt gift to someone who has helped you in some way. But to demand money for such a thing, absolutely cheapens it.

I can?t even bring myself to charge people for teaching them how to identify wild plants, as it is something I view as utterly critical to mankind?s survival in the near future. And what kind of utter asshat would I be if I only taught those who could afford a certain fee, how to survive?

If these so called gurus believed in what they were doing, they?d be doing it for free, or as near free as humanly possible.

Janos

26th January 2012, 06:36

pillaroflight

26th January 2012, 07:12

Hurritt, you say you can't find the article he showed. In just a quick search I found the Washington Technology article:

Army names top builders of virtual worlds

Competition encourages new training and learning applications

By Alice Lipowicz
Jun 02, 2011

The U.S. Army is looking for a few good worlds -- virtual worlds, that is.

The Army Research Laboratory Simulation & Training Technology Center announced winners for its annual Federal Virtual Worlds Challenge in which contestants from around the globe compete to produce the best virtual solutions for training and other applications.

http://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2011/06/02/army-names-winners-of-federal-virtual-worlds-contest.aspx

and this article he showed:

Federal Computer Week

Army seeks smart 'bots in virtual world

Federal Virtual Worlds Challenge seeking artificial intelligence applications

By Alice Lipowicz
Sep 09, 2010

Army researchers want developers' ideas about artificial intelligence for training and simulations for the service's Federal Virtual Worlds Challenge.

The second annual contest is sponsored by the Army Research Laboratory-Simulation and Training Technology Center. Entries are due by Dec. 6 and prizes totaling $25,000 will be awarded.

The goal is to allow the Army access to new possibilities and emerging applications in virtual world applications, according to Tami Griffith, science and technology manager for the research lab, who is heading the program.

http://fcw.com/articles/2010/09/09/army-lab-launches-virtual-world-for-training-contest.aspx

and here are some articles about flicker-rate technology:

US Patent 6506148 – Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors
Posted on February 16, 2011 by Barbara Peterson

Barbara H. Peterson

Farm Wars

The TV and your computer monitor can be used to manipulate your nervous system. Here is the proof. Read it and weep:

Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors US Patent #6,506,148

“SUMMARY: Computer monitors and TV monitors can be made to emit weak low-frequency electromagnetic fields merely by pulsing the intensity of displayed images. Experiments have shown that the 1/2 Hz sensory resonance can be excited in this manner in a subject near the monitor. The 2.4 Hz sensory resonance can also be excited in this fashion. Hence, a TV monitor or computer monitor can be used to manipulate the nervous system of nearby people.”

“It is thus apparent that the human nervous system can be manipulated by screen emissions from subliminal TV image pulses.” LINK

The human nervous system controls everything from breathing and producing digestive enzymes, to memory and intelligence. (Human Nervous System)

http://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/us-patent-6506148-nervous-system-manipulation-by-electromagnetic-fields-from-monitors/

Television, Computer, and "flicker rate"-- It's bad enough that what is "programmed" on your TV (accessed via remote "control") is engineered; it is all made easier by literally lulling you to sleep, making it a psycho-social weapon. Flicker rate tests show that alpha brain waves are altered, producing a type of hypnosis -- which doesn't portend well for the latest revelation that lights can transmit coded Internet data by "flickering faster than the eye can see." The computer's flicker rate is less, but through video games, social networks, and a basic structure which overloads the brain with information, the rapid pace of modern communication induces an ADHD state. A study of video games revealed that extended play can result in lower blood flow to the brain, sapping emotional control. Furthermore, role-playing games of lifelike war and police state scenarios serve to desensitize a connection to reality.

http://www.activistpost.com/2010/12/10-modern-methods-of-mind-control.html

There's so much more, but this post is getting unwieldy Hopefully, I get my point across that he knows what he is talking about, it is not bs as you insist..Plus there are many articles about monkey flicker rate experiments.

Jenci

26th January 2012, 10:50

I have a recording of Alex getting slightly into a hint about his true grasp as it currently is.

He has to be very careful what he says on his show for 2 good reasons, and I agree with both of them.

1) His greatest contribution to the current pardigm is as an early alarm call for the seriously fast asleep.

2) his main finincial support structure is based deep in the American Christian community.

Having got that said, here's a link to the recording I made of him hinting:

https://www.filemail.com/dl.aspx?id=PZHHZNEWOLXHARI

It's a limited download service so if it's all exhausted and gone by the time you get around to clicking on it, give me a shout and I'll see what I can do.

Thank you Norman for that download, that was very interesting.

There's so much more, but this post is getting unwieldy Hopefully, I get my point across that he knows what he is talking about, it is not bs as you insist..Plus there are many articles about monkey flicker rate experiments.

Thank you too, Pillar for those articles. I, too, think the monkey experiement is real and has been rolled out to humans. And there is probably much more to their manipulation than we realise.
Jeanette