Alternative Model??? Andrej Pejic

[Unified Serenity]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet-the-female-runway-model-who-isnt-a-female/

Interesting story about a male model who is perfectly androgynous. Ok, could this be the goal? Make us all androgynous?

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/andrej-pejic.jpg

He's beautiful in the classic sense. He does male and female modeling for major covers and fashion designers. The article is interesting as re the bigoted comments. It certainly brings out the nasty side of people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okp5MwX3CsQ

[Unified Serenity]

I wonder if he's really human........

Conspiracies everywhere, but he's here, he's hot, and he's apparently everywhere. Does anything happen by chance in media? This is the image being sold to our children and young people. Some might say he's the penultimate Indigo. shrugging shoulders... I am not sure what to think, but he seems awfully sweet.

[Janos]

Never seen this model before now. But hey, he's better looking than half the chicks I went to school with! :P

[Odah]

I would much rather be in a world where a guy like that can capatilize on his feminine look ..and be adored instead of forced to hit the gym and buff up ..ridiculed and called names..

there is definitly a redifining of the roles of men and women..it is hidden but it is even going on in the middle east ..

i am waiting for the fashion designer to start comming out with huigh fashion dayware Pajamas ..so many women running around in the afternoon in their pj's ..

I don't think it's bad that guy are able to show feminine attributes without being accused of being gay..

[sjkted]

He is just a transgender person. They've been around forever, but don't usually come out in the public. This is just another version of making gender-bending ideas and operations the new thing.

Anyone else catch the butterfly (monarch programming) @ 1:46? They are subconsciously programming us into seeing this as the new person.

--sjkted

[sjkted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw&ob=av2e

In this video, Lady Gaga shows us that this is the new person. Around 4:40 to 5:00, you can see clearly they want to make us all into this new person, most likely with genetic engineering. This is their way of cutting us off from nature, burning the bridges to God so to speak, such that we are no longer able to make ourselves whole and such that we will need them to be our God.

--sjkted

[Jenci]

Anyone else catch the butterfly (monarch programming) @ 1:46? They are subconsciously programming us into seeing this as the new person.

Yes, the butterfly on the mouth is a very common image.


Jeanette

[sjkted]

And what does it mean?

--sjkted

[sjkted]

And, further whether or not anyone here recognizes it, Andrej is the ?bermensch.

A brief primer here for those not aware of what I'm talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubermensch

In the words of Nietzsche, God is dead.

--sjkted

[Nazirite]

I think the message being propogated is "We are God"

Being male or female makes us, at a fundamental level, incomplete, mortal and therefore not godlike.

God does not need to procreate, because God just is - asexual, complete and omnipotent.

When we transcend gender we become godlike.

Many similar concepts can be seen in the Gnostic gospels - pretty much why a lot of books were excluded from the early Christian canon.

Many people focus on the importance of what is in the bible. I would say there is also importance in what was excluded from the Judeo/Christian canon - and why.

Of course, this is all blasphemous to mainstream religion - which is pretty much the intention. The old religious paradigm has served it's purpose for the elite - time for a new one; hence New Age Thinking and Religion.

Androgeny is the new kid on the block - God is no longer one God is everyone.

Not preaching rights or wrongs - just telling it how it is.

[Unified Serenity]

No truer words have been said Nazirite.

[Swami]

And what does it mean?

--sjkted

Sex kitten programming if I recall well...

[Unified Serenity]

This may be useful:


Definition and Description

The name MONARCH is not necessarily defined within the context of royal nobility, but rather refers to the monarch butterfly.



When a person is undergoing trauma induced by electroshock, a feeling of light-headedness is evidenced; as if one is floating or fluttering like a butterfly. There is also a symbolic representation pertaining to the transformation or metamorphosis of this beautiful insect: from a caterpillar to a cocoon (dormancy, inactivity), to a butterfly (new creation) which will return to its point of origin. Such is the migratory pattern that makes this species unique.

Occultic symbolism may give additional insight into the true meaning Psyche is the word for both "soul" and "butterfly" coming from the belief that human souls become butterflies while searching for a new reincarnation. [9]

Some ancient mystical groups, such as the Gnostics, saw the butterfly as a symbol of corrupt flesh. The "Angel of Death" (remember Mengele?) in Gnostic art was portrayed crushing the butterfly.[10]



A marionette is a puppet that is attached to strings and is controlled by the puppet master, hence MONARCH programming is also referred to as the "Marionette Syndrome." "Imperial Conditioning" is another term used, while some mental health therapists know it as "Conditioned Stimulus Response Sequences."

Project MONARCH could be best described as a form of structured dissociation and occultic integration, in order to compartmentalize the mind into multiple personalities within a systematic framework. During this process, a Satanic ritual, usually including Cabalistic mysticism, is performed with the purpose of attaching a particular demon or group of demons to the corresponding alter(s).



Of course, most skeptics would view this as simply a means to enhance trauma within the victim negating any irrational belief that demonic possession actually occurs.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon02.htm

[Nazirite]

Here we go:

Holy Hermaphrodite Baphomet! :prpl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

[Nazirite]

This may be useful:

Sure is;

"Curiouser and curiouser"; said Alice.

Back down the Rabbit Hole.......

Amazing how all this stuff links together hey?

[Swami]

It first appeared in 11th and 12th century Latin and Proven?al as a corruption of "Mahomet", the Latinisation of "Muhammad",[1] but later it appeared as a term for a pagan idol in trial transcripts of the Inquisition of the Knights Templar in the early 14th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

Templars, Mohammed, Muslims?, (Obama...?)
Its a weird rabbit hole indeed.

[?uestions]

wow. reminds me thailand. you see some beautiful humans and can easily do a double take!

[Nazirite]

wow. reminds me thailand. you see some beautiful humans and can easily do a double take!

Never been to Thailand - but I'm sure Lady Boys are just the same when it comes to finding sincere and fulfilling love.

Everyone needs a hug, yes?

[sjkted]

I would much rather be in a world where a guy like that can capatilize on his feminine look ..and be adored instead of forced to hit the gym and buff up ..ridiculed and called names..


Capitalizing is one thing. Would you like to be in a world where little boys are taught to look up to men who look like women and encouraged to be more feminine, while at the same time little girls are encouraged to be more assertive and dominant?

And if that doesn't bother you, how about the idea of living in a world where you can no longer procreate naturally or must go to the government to get a license in order to "order" a genetically-engineered child?

For a reference on what this world would look like, watch the movie Children of Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_men). Keep in mind also this is a one-way road. We can't just decide some time in the future that this can be un-done.

--sjkted

[reaver]

This meme has nothing to do with improving society nor the human condition. Philosophical androgeny is one thing, but what you are seeing here is another phase of dissociation, you are being encouraged to erase your self-identity, but of course it will be done with beautiful lights and beautiful people.

I mean just look at the video, the guy doesn't even have a sense of identity, he's stuck in limbo. Eventually such thing eats you from the inside.

[reaver]

This is something which is closely related to transhumanism: http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?8729-Transhumanism-and-playing-God

[Nazirite]

Capitalizing is one thing. Would you like to be in a world where little boys are taught to look up to men who look like women and encouraged to be more feminine, while at the same time little girls are encouraged to be more assertive and dominant?

And if that doesn't bother you, how about the idea of living in a world where you can no longer procreate naturally or must go to the government to get a license in order to "order" a genetically-engineered child?

Building a Strawman there Sjkted.

[Unified Serenity]

There is another side to this and that is for those who are born and do not fit the box that the society has created for them, such as women cannot be assertive, and while if they are they are called, "Bitches", but if a man does it, then it's him just asserting himself and within his rights and he is applauded. The flipside of course is the male who is not assertive / competitive and he is treated as less than and called a "sissy" or "girly man". Some people are naturally more assertive than others or less assertive than others, it's THEIR nature. The society ostracizes such individuals because it makes THEM uncomfortable and those individuals have to deal with the ridicule all their lives.

Some women want to work in a non-traditional role for women and they have been denied that right. Tight restrictions have been placed on women most of our lives and it has not been until recently that women have demanded the opportunity to work in such fields, and I'm not just talking about physically challenging areas, but areas that require more mental work like engineering, doctors, lawyers etc.. Women are still locked out of most higher level areas via the good ol' boys network and we know that as the glass ceiling. There is also the side that the women have to be superior to the average male in those fields just to get basic respect.

So, I am not comfortable with simply blaming the social engineers who have pigeon holed these issues to control men and women, mostly women though have paid the price economically as fewer men have wanted to go into "women's" fields which tend to pay less than the average male oriented job. Equality should mean if you are qualified then you can get the job. Of course for me, that would mean qualified without special exceptions due to strength issues. Not many women can physically do the demanding aspect of say a firefighter, electrician or such. If you want to enter that job area, then be able to do the job, it's pretty simple in my book.




This meme has nothing to do with improving society nor the human condition. Philosophical androgeny is one thing, but what you are seeing here is another phase of dissociation, you are being encouraged to erase your self-identity, but of course it will be done with beautiful lights and beautiful people.

I mean just look at the video, the guy doesn't even have a sense of identity, he's stuck in limbo. Eventually such thing eats you from the inside.

[Swami]

Lady GaGa Is A Man


So... Is Lady GaGa A man? Well one thing's for sure, whether she is or she isn't, she sure needs to explain that bulge she keeps between her legs. Some of the photo's you're going to see are shocking, and they are not photoshopped or doctored in any way. If you can explain that bulge as anything other then her have "man parts" then you should surely be her publicist. Me Personally.. I think Lady GaGa Is A MAN!!! And whether she is or she isn't it's clear that Hollywood and the paparazzi can't get enough of this celebrity, many people contact me telling me how great of a joke site this, or how they love my funny site. This is not a joke site or a funny site, this is a coming of age tale about Lady GaGa this biggest "queen" in pop music. Maybe we could get Robert Pattinson or Channing Tatum to take the lead "male role" to play Lady GaGa in an epic biography? Now don't get me wrong, we think the fact that Lady GaGa Is A Man, or might be a man doesn't change the fact that he/she is a great artist. Hell - we just want to give any man who can sing like that his due praise! At it's core this site is a simple yet
humorous, funny picture site. We like to provide you with hilarious celebrity gossip pictures and the newest paparazzi photos. Our emphasis is Lady Gaga but we like to provide funny photos of all celebrities like Katy Perry, Kesha, Nikki Minaj just for starters. To navigate this site simply click one of the navigation links or the pictures of Lady GaGa above. We plan to update this funny picture site as much as possible and with celebrities non-stop antics we shouldn't have a problem keeping this site updated for years to come. Celebrities like Lady Gaga are always doing something stupid and/or funny and we aim to provide the proof to you. So what are you waiting for click the funny Lady Gaga picture above and get started laughing!

http://ladygagaisaman.com/

[sjkted]

Building a Strawman there Sjkted.

This stuff is going on right before our eyes. I put up evidence and you call it a strawman.

Most of us know about Agenda 21, "smart" growth, and ICLEI. We've seen the Georgia Guidestones and research into any of these UN documents show there are actually population quotas and this is a big topic.

It's common knowledge that children are produced when men and women have sex. Their plan is to distort gender identity so that men do not know how to behave as men and women do not know how to act as women. They have also destroyed the family unit with Disney and by forcing women into the work place as well as the homes/foreclosure crisis and the economic crisis. This means that it is nearly impossible to have a family today.

There are further programs to make children wards of the state with increased vaccination and if one reads the new laws throughout the world, children are now owned by the state.

Next stage, GMO's are a trojan horse. In each generation, they decrease fertility. There are many animal trials which show that within three generations, fertility is completely gone:



In study after study, the effects of fertility were alarming, claim researchers. In one report, the testicles of some animals actually changed colors from a normal pink to an alarming blue after being fed GMO produced feed. In addition, sperm was shown to be altered, resulting in fewer pregnancies overall. DNA too has shown alterations after ingesting even the smallest amount of GMO foods.

But, males are not the only ones being affected by GMOs. Female fertility too is under attack. Female animals being studied showed an alarming increase in an inability to get pregnant as well as a spike in premature births; low birth weight babies and infant moralities after being fed a regular diet of GMO. Rats given GMO feed in Europe were shown to give birth to babies that regularly died within weeks of their birth (sometimes as many as 99%), compared to only a 10% mortality rate for those fed regular feed.


http://natural-fertility-info.com/gmo-infertility.html

http://boston.todaysmama.com/2011/05/gmos-miscarriage-infertility-preterm-labor-and-birth-defects/

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_15588.cfm

So, the boys will not be acting like men anymore with the smaller testes and lower testosterone levels.

In addition, it would behoove you to do some more research into these occult plans and symbols. This is exactly what they have been planning and this is anything but a strawman.

--sjkted

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Some women want to work in a non-traditional role for women and they have been denied that right. Tight restrictions have been placed on women most of our lives and it has not been until recently that women have demanded the opportunity to work in such fields, and I'm not just talking about physically challenging areas, but areas that require more mental work like engineering, doctors, lawyers etc.. Women are still locked out of most higher level areas via the good ol' boys network and we know that as the glass ceiling. There is also the side that the women have to be superior to the average male in those fields just to get basic respect.


This is hegelian dialectic, aka problem, reaction, solution. Split us all up into groups. The men get chained to their desk at work. The women get chained to the kitchen at home. The minorities are subverted by Jim Crow laws and government cheese.

Fast forward 50 years. Who woulda' thunk it? The men don't all want to be tied to a permanent 9-5 job until they have a midlife crisis. Some women ... gasp ... actually want to have careers away from the home. And, the blacks and Hispanics want to have well paying jobs also.

So, then we present the solution. Two incomes are now required for most to make it. And we now have an artificial elevation of women and minorities in the workplace. Problem solved? Nope, but at least some people may feel like we have made progress.

--sjkted

[Unified Serenity]

It's common knowledge that children are produced when men and women have sex. Their plan is to distort gender identity so that men do not know how to behave as men and women do not know how to act as women.

Are you trying to start a fight? This is the same sort of stuff that has caused Christianity and Islam to be bashed by so many. Yes, let's keep people in THEIR places! Let's not just accept people as they are, but make it impossible for those who do not fit the mold we the powerful and know what is best want so that down the road we can watch the backlash. I mean you might as well have started a new thread with the strawman that certain races cannot compete and should stay in their place, should not mix with other races, and of course blame them for the downfall of society. I really wonder if this is an intentional baiting, but I am recognizing that I am acting out of fear just within myself of expressing myself because I will be accused of some nefarious acts for wondering about motives for statements like this.

Well, I think it's a pretty odd statement:


It's common knowledge that children are produced when men and women have sex. Their plan is to distort gender identity so that men do not know how to behave as men and women do not know how to act as women.

[sjkted]

Lady GaGa Is A Man



http://ladygagaisaman.com/

I've heard this before. It may or may not be true. Lady Gaga is a spokeswomen for gay and transgender people, so this would obviously bolster her image and credibility to her audience there.

--sjkted

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Are you trying to start a fight? This is the same sort of stuff that has caused Christianity and Islam to be bashed by so many. Yes, let's keep people in THEIR places! Let's not just accept people as they are, but make it impossible for those who do not fit the mold we the powerful and know what is best want so that down the road we can watch the backlash. I mean you might as well have started a new thread with the strawman that certain races cannot compete and should stay in their place, should not mix with other races, and of course blame them for the downfall of society. I really wonder if this is an intentional baiting, but I am recognizing that I am acting out of fear just within myself of expressing myself because I will be accused of some nefarious acts for wondering about motives for statements like this.


This is all Hegelian dialectic. You're putting words in my mouth that I did not say and falling into the trap the social engineers designed for you. Bravo!

Why is it there is only option A and option B which have both been designed by the power structure? Why can't there also be option C, D, E, F, G, etc....

--sjkted

[sjkted]

What does any of this have to do with the OP?

--sjkted

[Nazirite]

Naz made me do it!

We are all responsible for our own actions - Remember the Nuremburg principles? LOL

I can't post a new thread or send a PM......the HTML is all to cock - could someone pass this on to Richard as I can't PM him without recoding the send new message box - I would appreciate it if someone could start a new thread with my post above.

I can't do much at the moment so going to watch Blade instead.

See you all tommorrow.

[reaver]

Are you trying to start a fight?
Relax, not everyone is trying to jump on you. Sjkted was pointing out something which is very real. Yes to an extent your post was accurate, but there's a purpose behind it (I mean a purpose being pushed by social engineers, not you). Mainly to get people confused. It's something like this:


We are being attacked, by different means. Attacks which target different dimensions of our Self, sometimes they may attack multiple dimensions. Seemingly there is a double think tactic being used against us and to some extent we go on replicating it.

Examples:

Theories of evolution are in conflict with religious ideas, yet you are being asked to believe in both. But you must not try to solve this conflict, experts in each field will do it for you.

We are being oversexualised by the current out of control narcissistic culture. Since you are a little kid you are being invited to enter sex... yet there are social, religious, and political views which demonize sex, any and all forms of sexual expression are quickly suppressed. Both narratives clash within us and yet we are deemed too stupid to figure it out for ourselves, so the establishment will take care of it.

We are being told how politics is flawed and needs reform while at the same time the cultural spheres will encourage you to worship key politicians as all-mighty godly saviours. You are not supposed to ask why.

We are being told to be against any and all forms of violence, yet you are encouraged to support legal mercenaries in their patriotic mass murder missions. You need no wonder why, it's the way it is.

So you see, the establishment uses this form of conflictive dialectic to obsfucate and confuse the "unworthy", it get's even more nasty because both sides of the dialectic are usually full of sh!t. This dynamic is repeated over and over again - it has been going on for what? millennia? millions of years?- to the point where severe trauma is created within the tormented individual, the repetition of this practice so frequent that at some point the population will just go on replicating it. Indeed the prisoners watch the prisoners, no one trusts each other... the prisoners themselves will at times crush rebellions which may arise from within their own ranks. Pretty pathetic and sad.

If you think about it for a while, you can see that the social roles (this includes jobs) were very rigid before, like Sjkted pointed out, the common theme was: Women get kitchens and men get desks. Yet these roles have toxic elements to them, for instance the social roles for men have high amounts of machismo attached to them, a cancerous masculinity. While women roles were attached to a cancerous femminity, like showing extreme submission. In a sense there are toxic archetypes permeating these "typical" roles. The further you go into history, the more you see movements and ideas arise. To an extent they managed to blend these rigid social roles and make them more flexible. Nowadays you can see more women getting into roles which were reserved to men and the same can be said of male roles.

Yet the further you explore this matter, you can see men pursuing "feminine roles" which are toxic and women go after toxic "masculine roles". Apparently the system has made people believe they are more free since they can switch roles. It is when you explore who the hell shoved these roles down people's throats that you realize modern society is being fed toxic dialectics with a mask of progress.

There are people who are more "soft" than others and some are more "tough". There are sane male and female archetypes, but the system only feeds poisonous ones. For example the religious background may demand machismo from men and submisiveness from women, at the same time an idividual finds himself/herself in front of the "bling bling" marketing culture where it is expected that men become more submissive and women more dominant. Both of these paradigms, the religious and "pop cultural" ones are dangerous and neither of them offer healthy Archetypes for an individual to find a sense of true identity. People are expected to embrace artificial personas. In a sense men are being fed machismo while they are being emasculated and women are being fed submisiveness while at the same time they are encouraged to become a macho girl. As if these attacks on self-identity weren't enough, now pop-culture is moving into cancerous androgyny.


in a recent interview with fashion icon and designer, Tom Ford briefly discusses how the human form is slowly but gradually becoming a shell of itself


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUEMUOyTHO4&feature=player_embedded

This guy focused on the female aspect, but the masculine one is going towards the same destination.

[Unified Serenity]

First of all Reaver, I did not say "start a fight with me". I said, "start a fight". The wording was pretty standard, and I am not trying to start a fight with you either in this reply. I am simply stating that sjkted's remarks are somewhat easy to cause a fight of words. I am tired of word games, and this is probably exactly how he feels. I also understand very well the Hegelian dialectic and setting things into motion, but men for the most part have held the power structure on this planet for thousands of years, and women have been kept weak economically for the most part which most men have had zero issue with despite having daughters and wives whom they love.

The protective nature within men has justified much of this, but women have had to really fight to be given respect and freedom for basic rights, and it's not until this past twentieth century that many inroads have been made on behalf of women and other minorities. Those who benefitted the most from this power structure of course defend and justify it in a myriad of ways. Those who have tried to remove the blocks have been demonized as trying to tear society apart which has worked very well. Well for whom in the long run?

This is a very complicated subject because of our understanding the ptb plans to dismantle the society now and bring in their New World Order. It feels like we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I like the old stability of the classic mom and dad, kids, white picket fence, mom at home etc... and that's gone now for the most part through social engineering, but at the same time, no one forced anyone into that change, we get manipulated into it by movements. Then there were those who did not like that structure and it did not reflect who they were, and yet they were not given the freedom to be who they are, and thus they contribute to the societal upheaval for their rights. The ptb know all this, use it, and gleefully watch us rip at each other.

It does not negate the truths inherent that we each deserve to be who we are within ourselves without others demeaning us, threatening us by word or deed, or denying us simple basic rights. So, it seems to be a combination of man's selfishness and the ptb's using that to their fullest advantage to move us closer and closer to their "Solution".

[Going by]

Yes, Sjkted defends quite well the agenda 21 as presented in Aaron Russo video about his discussions with Rockerfeller.

As for US, she explains very well the way women were stucked and controlled for milleniums. Both are fine but are thinkings on different tracks. i wonder where we could make them meet. It seems that the controllers think that it is with transgender or gender less beings, no reproducing schemes either. I do not agree with this because it is a measure of control as well, both are, stucked women denied their power through the feminine, and men and women denied thier power altogether through their gender less beings. Overall, women lost on the change all along milleniums and may be more lately, now men are losing too. We are all globally pushed to something that may not be human nature.

Reaver is right, we are pushed away from our true inner nature, we are split from ourselves still further with this guy and with Lady Gaga or almost transgender Justin Bieber.

on the other hand, Chinese had man to sing women roles for centuries (Chinese women were denied to sang in public, they had to wear shoes that difformed their feet so that they could not run away, etc, very similar to the chastity belt in Spain). So somewhere, there is nothing new here.

Women will have to become twiggies again as in the seventees, anorexic and all so to avoid having breast and hips ande guy too this time around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

[Swami]

It is known that it is pretty hard to get the chemical substances from birth-control pills out of the drinking-water. For a generation now its polluting the fresh water supplies. I wonder what these substances do in a male body.

Anyone got any info on that?

[sjkted]

As for US, she explains very well the way women were stucked and controlled for milleniums. Both are fine but are thinkings on different tracks. i wonder where we could make them meet.


I don't think that part is too difficult. If you watch the whole Aaron Russo series, you will see quite obviously that for each generation it is getting harder and more expensive and difficult to just plainly exist. The older generation had a mortgage for the house to pay off. This generation has a mortgage just to pay off the education with no jobs available when they are done. What will be left for the following generation? Will they even learn to read and write? This is all artificial games done with money, taxation, cartels and coercive laws and regulations.

Each generation should have it better off than the last one. We come up with new means of technology, efficiency, better ideas, more experience, etc. But, it's the money system that screwed us all -- it's just most of those who still have jobs and money in the bank don't know yet they have been screwed.

If we had honest money and honest laws, then it's up to people to determine their own contact.

There's nothing wrong with the maxim of Do what thou wilt as long as you end it with less ye harm none.

--sjkted

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It is known that it is pretty hard to get the chemical substances from birth-control pills out of the drinking-water. For a generation now its polluting the fresh water supplies. I wonder what these substances do in a male body.

Anyone got any info on that?

It's bad stuff, all of it. And, it's in the bottled water and BPA bottles. Plus, there are detectable levels of most illegal drugs as well in major cities. Best thing I can think of for many reasons is to get out of Dodge.

--sjkted

[Unified Serenity]

Fabulous post Going by, and I see exactly what you are saying about sjkted's and myself being on parallel paths and thus not really dealing with the same issue. Thank you very much for this post, it clears up a lot for me anyway. I understand and agree with a great deal of what sjkted is saying, and I dearly love Russo's work.

It feels like such a no win situation and therefore, I need my contemplation time now moreso than ever.

Much love and thanks,

Serenity



Yes, Sjkted defends quite well the agenda 21 as presented in Aaron Russo video about his discussions with Rockerfeller.

As for US, she explains very well the way women were stucked and controlled for milleniums. Both are fine but are thinkings on different tracks. i wonder where we could make them meet. It seems that the controllers think that it is with transgender or gender less beings, no reproducing schemes either. I do not agree with this because it is a measure of control as well, both are, stucked women denied their power through the feminine, and men and women denied thier power altogether through their gender less beings. Overall, women lost on the change all along milleniums and may be more lately, now men are losing too. We are all globally pushed to something that may not be human nature.

Reaver is right, we are pushed away from our true inner nature, we are split from ourselves still further with this guy and with Lady Gaga or almost transgender Justin Bieber.

on the other hand, Chinese had man to sing women roles for centuries (Chinese women were denied to sang in public, they had to wear shoes that difformed their feet so that they could not run away, etc, very similar to the chastity belt in Spain). So somewhere, there is nothing new here.

Women will have to become twiggies again as in the seventees, anorexic and all so to avoid having breast and hips ande guy too this time around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

[Anchor]

He is just a transgender person.

Dont think so, doesn't transgender imply surgery ?

I think he is simply a great looking person.

[Unified Serenity]

He doesn't really say what he is. He models for men and women's cloths lines. He does not say much beyond he is open to love, and leaves that door wide open for interpretation. He seems to enjoy being who he is, and is making good living out of it. Metro-sexual is the "in" thing now. I feel sorry for all the guys who want to look twig thin.

I have one daughter who is a natural twig and beautiful, and I have another daughter who has that beautiful Marilyn Monroe figure. As long as they are eating, I don't care. I do care about our young who are starving themselves and judging themselves on what is supposed to be beautiful. I can't really see a lot of guys adopting this androgynous look though. Maybe though I just live in a more conservative area.

[Gardener]

Just as it did with Nietzche.

I mean just look at the video, the guy doesn't even have a sense of identity, he's stuck in limbo. Eventually such thing eats you from the inside.

[Nazirite]

I mean just look at the video, the guy doesn't even have a sense of identity, he's stuck in limbo. Eventually such thing eats you from the inside.

I'm not sure he doesn't have a sense of identity - that may be an assumption reaver.

In your frame of reference it may seem that way - because, people in general, are coerced into adopting a clearly defined sex, gender and sexuality. The scientific facts are that those three parts of our whole can all vary on their own individual spectrum.

Sex: (Physical characteristics) Physically male or female as defined by primary and secondary sexual organs including physique, stature and carriage.

Gender: How the persona inter-reacts within their culture, society, family and peer group.

Sexuality: The persons attraction to people of a particular sex, regardless of those imposed societally. Bi-sexuality adds to the confusion.

In all three factors - society in general expects people to be rigidly male or female and does not like anyone who occupies a position on the sliding scale or there is conflict between Sex, Gender, Sexuality. Society also expects rigidity there too.

In reality, most people occupy the gray areas rather than black or white/male or female.

Luckily, some people find their place on the spectrum and can be happy within themselves.
Whilst others submit to an unrealistic archetype which can cause lifelong distress as they mask those aspects of self to conform to societal norms.

Sad.

[sjkted]

Dont think so, doesn't transgender imply surgery ?

I think he is simply a great looking person.

No, it doesn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

I once lived not too far away from Hollywood. They have entire transgender clubs and culture and nightlife. It is a general label for people who are born with a blurred sense of gender -- there are many different categories.



I can't really see a lot of guys adopting this androgynous look though


Go to LA sometime. They're all over LA LA land.

--sjkted

[Going by]

Dont think so, doesn't transgender imply surgery ?

I think he is simply a great looking person.

transgender implies surgery, transsexual does not. So he looks definitly to be transsexual. Yes, he is great looking, as a woman or as a men/boy (but not as a man imho - are you glad guys, too feminine for some women).

oops, I had not read Sjkted post before writing and his wiki reference, So be it, I had the wrong definition. To save my a ss and my ego, let presume that it is due to the translation in my head from French to English - good excuse hey?:drag:
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There is oestrogene and other hormones in the feed given to chickenas well to make them grow faster and growth hormone given to beef and tons of antibiotics given to cows and found in milk.

I am sure those have a large impact on sexual organs development as well as the body hormonal balance.

[reaver]

I'm not sure he doesn't have a sense of identity - that may be an assumption reaver.
I get what you are saying Nazirite, but I'm not talking about a superficial sense of identity being provided by scholars or the cultural spheres. Yes I get that someone could say well I'm this name, this body, a bit bisexual, a bit gay, etc. What I'm trying to exlore is a deeper layer to this phenomenon.

Take a look at the video, this guy is made believe that fashion designers are launching collections inspired on him. I'd say this is BS, this guy is only being used as a pawn to push a cultural agenda, you can see this same agenda being pushed in the form of Lady Gaga. Now you could argue that this guy is happy, but I'll throw some food for thought:

Can someone who is conscious and worried about the high probability of burning fast in the celebrity/fashion industry be considered happy? yes he'll get the thrills of having lots of money, getting drunk, getting high, having sex, travelling and the feeling of being worshiped. I'm using the human psyche as a core principle here, I like to have human consciousness very present, because consciousness itself can help to create heaven or hell on earth. So this guy seems to be happy at a superficial level, but what about deeper ones? what about an existential level? For example what could be the state of being of someone who acts and even speaks in a effeminated manner, yet when he's asked: "hey do you consider yourself as a man or a woman?" he just shows this face of not even knowing where he stands. The way I see it, this guy has been going and is still going trough a heavy existential crisis and the vultures of the entertainment and fashion industries will push this crisis to the limit as long as it translates into profits and acceptance of the new cancerous paradigm. Just as a curious note, the video includes a photoshoot with the theme of Marilyn Monroe, someone who is considered to be the prototype for MK Franskeinsteined celebrities.

See to me this is something serious and this goes beyond the superficial acceptance and superficial happiness of modern societies. I suspect Andrej will be broken down into split personalities, after all this guy has a very fragile consciousness and such consciousness is very easy to break in the world of beautiful shows and beutiful people. Sadly these dynamics are not limited to Andrej (not that I find OK Andrej's dissociation process either) , to a lesser or greater degree the whole culture is taken for a ride.

[Anchor]

No, it doesn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender


Ok, thanks, I stand corrected. I think I mixed it up with transexual.

[Nazirite]

See to me this is something serious and this goes beyond the superficial acceptance and superficial happiness of modern societies. I suspect Andrej will be broken down into split personalities, after all this guy has a very fragile consciousness and such consciousness is very easy to break in the world of beautiful shows and beutiful people. Sadly these dynamics are not limited to Andrej (not that I find OK Andrej's dissociation process either) , to a lesser or greater degree the whole culture is taken for a ride.

Yep, I understand now - you were alluding to his (unwitting?) role in the cultural agenda rather than as an individual who is Trans-Gender/Sexual.

And I agree, there is an agenda at work - working at many levels and many cultural segments. Gender and sexuality is just one of the superficial differences being exploited to fragment our societies. Shock doctrine is originally conceived to exploit war and the resulting horrors on a civilian population but it is just as effectively used as a holistic concept affecting every aspect of human life.
War, economic, cultural, societal,moral, spiritual, religious shock is being used to create complete cognitive dissonance. In that state, any solution to the perceived ills of the world will be welcomed as better than nothing.
That solution (problem,reaction,solution) is the one TPTB have carefully contrived to be their endgame - it is the final synthesis of the Hegellian dialectic. ENDGAME is in play.