Lawsuit filed against fake Navy SEALs

[Charles]

TAMPA --

A Tampa attorney on a crusade to expose those who pretend to be Navy SEALs is trying a novel approach: suing them.

Lawyer Gene Odom filed the first of what he says could be multiple similar suits on Monday. The suit, filed in Hillsborough County Circuit Court, targets Barry ?Bear? Silverman, who runs a business called ?Tactical Deterrence? in Broward County. The business? ?principal purpose is to offer training to customers seeking Navy SEAL instruction in weapons use and security deployment,? according to the suit.

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of retired SEAL Don Shipley, who runs Extreme SEAL Experience, which provides students with training similar to what SEALs experience during the Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training. Shipley?s training center is based in Chesapeake, Va., with an adjunct office in Hillsborough County, according to the suit.

The article goes on to name William Brockbrader and his "publisher"

Odom also has filed a defamation lawsuit against another man he says is making false claims of being a SEAL, and the man?s publisher. He says that in an article titled ?More Truth Revealed,? William Brockbrader stated that Extreme SEAL Experience ?only pretends to provide actual SEAL instructor training.?

Odom said he is suing Brockbrader because he is claiming to be a SEAL and is using the defamation language as the basis of the suit because the law does not allow someone to be sued solely for falsely claiming to be a SEAL.

In the lawsuit, Shipley?s lawyers claim that by pretending to be SEALs, Brockbrader has ?diminished the competitive and economic advantage of SEALs seeking to re-enter the civilian workforce? and that he has suffered economic loss as a result of Silverman misrepresenting his status as a SEAL.

Brockbrader, who denies he defamed Shipley, said he was a SEAL between 1992 and 2000. He said he has witnesses who can verify his SEAL training and that any records pertaining to his service were sealed because he served with a ?classified program.?

Full article here: http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-ne...als-ar-382858/

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Brockbrader, who denies he defamed Shipley, said he was a SEAL between 1992 and 2000. He said he has witnesses who can verify his SEAL training and that any records pertaining to his service were sealed because he served with a “classified program.”

Very interested to know who the witnesses are

Navy Special Operations Command said neither Brockbrader nor Silverman attended SEAL training, graduated from it or served on any SEAL team. Any claims that training records of sealed are false, according to the Navy Special Operations Command.

Wouldnt someone from the goverment step in to help these guys?

[Anno]

Wouldnt someone from the goverment step in to help these guys?

If they did they'd then get drawn in to the whole "classified mission" allegations and super-soldier claims, so I doubt they'd want to get too involved. By making such claims the frauds basically protect themselves by covering themselves in poop that noone wants to touch incase it spreads to them.

It'll be very interesting to see how this turns out. Seems like that whole conclave of the alternative community is collapsing in on itself.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Wouldnt someone from the goverment step in to help these guys?

It will be interesting to see what happens when the court case is held.
The court wont just take his word for it, classified or not.
The military would step in to avoid any classified secrets from being aired in the courtroom, I would have thought.
But then again, If he really was a Top Secret Navy SEAL, you would have thought he would have been 'silenced' by now no? Especially after revealing the US military target civilians intentionally, which is an international war crime.......



Hurritt

[Anno]

If he really was a Top Secret Navy SEAL, you would have thought he would have been 'silenced' by now no?

My thoughts exactly. They're gonna spend billions developing mind controlled genetically engineered super soldiers, use them for all sorts of super secret missions, then just let them go hang out on youtube with kerry cassidy and tell us all about it. Mmmmmkay.

[Charles]

I think this was a brilliant way to approach the courts with the case. The Stolen Valor act has been up and down for some time with people claiming it violates their free speech rights. (yep lying is protected under free speech) Lying for profit is a totally different beast, and the penalties can be much heavier than the one year sentence they would receive under the Stolen Valor act. Lying for profit is defined as fraud.

There is no responsibility I take greater pride in than leading and caring for our Special Operations Forces and their families,? wrote Adm. William McRaven, commander of U.S. Special Operations Command. ?After more than 10 years of combat operations, they have made tremendous sacrifices for our country and allies. Individuals who falsely claim to have served within their ranks dishonor themselves and those who continuously answer the call of duty.

When one considers the above statement it is easy to see how far up the ladder this has gone, and who noticed it. I seriously doubt that anyone is going to step in and "silence" anyone or anything in this case. It will also be interesting to see how the "publisher" responds to these charges, there is not much wiggle room here and its getting tighter.

[Luke]

But then again, If he really was a Top Secret Navy SEAL, you would have thought he would have been 'silenced' by now no? Especially after revealing the US military target civilians intentionally, which is an international war crime.......

As in case with UFO, those guys are quite useful. They spew so muych BS, than if the real guy will come out blowing the whistle, he will be labelled madman from get-go. Muddy the waters.

UFO stories were used in this manner to cover for classified planes and spy activities. All you need is provide some plants with outrageous stories, allow them to be published, and you not only discredit whole field of genuine sightings, but also you get smoke screen for your own planes that you want to stay unidentified.

Same with SEALS. No-one wants to be counted, or associated, or even being put on the same level as "those guys in straitjackets". And you can put real-deal guys that want to talk too much in straitjacket ASAP, too, because "he is like the rest". Win-win.

Not to mention, that said SEALS are not what I would call "great thinkers". They need to be bright enough to operate equipement and execute actions that will eliminate "enemies of Uncle Sam"- but not bright enough to question morality of exterminating other people in the name of Apple Pie and Star Spangled Banner. Obedient guard dogs- that either do master's bidding or experience short trip behind the barn with shotgun. Even the stories about them need to serve purpose of intimidation, beside general pro-state PR. Think Animal Farm.

But in case above, I cannot overlook another aspect - simple economy. The guy that got sued evidently ran a business that was competition.

[flower]

Luke , i can see your point... but i wonder if you can see how... insulting it is.


Seals , are not only highly trained physicaly... mentaly they are some of the strongest people amonsgt us. I dont mean intellectualy, but still their IQ cannot be low, the equipement they use requires certain levels of understanding

Seals are expected to think on their own. They are not grunts and most have highly tuned strategic minds.

Please remember in this community we are mostly exposed to"fake" soldiers.

Not to mention, that said SEALS are not what I would call "great thinkers".

And you perhaps are not a great athelete? your point?


And about the suing of competition.. lets put it this way

I studied Ikebana (japanese flower arranging) With a Master.

If another florist nearby.. published that they are Ikebana specialists at "reduced" prices....though they have never studied with a master.

That florist would be using fraud to sell art.

This would affect my ability to make an income.

Now what if that same florist said.... "celine does not sell real flowers"

That would be a lie.. that again could affect my ability to make an income.

Fraud... lying to make a profit...is one thing..

Lying to an alt media community to make yourself infamous.. is another.

[pillaroflight]

Especially after revealing the US military target civilians intentionally, which is an international war crime.......
Hurritt

not any more--at least not for the Obama military junta.

[Anno]

Now what if that same florist said.... "celine does not sell real flowers"

That would be a lie.. that again could affect my ability to make an income.

That's how we define fraud here in the uk. Misrepresenting the facts to cause someone harm or a loss. False claims of accredited training or being a seal is also fraud but the person being caused a loss is the customer that buys the product on the basis of the person being something they're not.

Whilst I'm not a lawyer (I have a soul) I can't see how this claim of fraud is valid unless Brockbrader accused the other guy of being a fraud in some way. If his claims of being a seal are false then anyone who's handed over money on that basis has a case. Or, more interestingly, let's say someone like Kerry damaged her reptuation by buying in to it, that's a measurable harm so she could sue but then the defence would be "do your due dilligence, love".

The thing I find funniest is how people in our community accuse judges of all being corrupt freemasonic pedophiles, then go running to the courts and solicitors to sue people. If you've read the court transcripts from Icke's court case against that publisher guy who ripped him off you'll see what I mean. Or the Daisygate affair.

If I was a sneaky lawyer, I'd be doing this to push Brockbrader in to starting a legal defence fund. Once that happens you have a solid case for fraud.

Still, I refer us all to the simple way of testing out super soldiers that I've been asking for, for a while now. Truth Seeker Cage Fighting! $20 for three rounds with a super soldier. There's a good way to raise funding for our hosting!

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Still, I refer us all to the simple way of testing out super soldiers that I've been asking for, for a while now. Truth Seeker Cage Fighting! $20 for three rounds with a super soldier. There's a good way to raise funding for our hosting!

2 Gurus go in... One Guru comes out.

[Anno]

2 Gurus go in... One Guru comes out.

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It is quite a fitting image for how certain 'gurus' are midgets riding the power of ignorance.

[Nazirite]

Here is something worth considering:

Whether or not US Law or Legislation refuses to impeach Obama for war crimes it is still a crime under International Law and therefore sanctions against him are actionable should there be a large enough consensus, in the international community, and are prepared to prosecute the action for his detention and trial.

Therefore it would be quite legitimate if he were to be arrested in a foreign jurisdiction. It would also be legitimate to send, to the US, military forces to arrest an detain him. However this action would probably be seen, or spun to be, an act of war against the US and could result in war with the nation that provided the arrest and detain forces.

So it is a case of "Laws Smaws" the US has such a large military capability that any action against the president would deter any arrest operation regardless of whether International Law was valid or not.

Might is right - unfortunately.

[Nazirite]

Still, I refer us all to the simple way of testing out super soldiers that I've been asking for, for a while now. Truth Seeker Cage Fighting! $20 for three rounds with a super soldier. There's a good way to raise funding for our hosting!

Now that would be funny Fat belly O'Finioan against Dolphin Boy McColumm would be my starter for ten.

[Luke]

Luke , i can see your point... but i wonder if you can see how... insulting it is.


Seals , are not only highly trained physicaly... mentaly they are some of the strongest people amonsgt us. I dont mean intellectualy, but still their IQ cannot be low, the equipement they use requires certain levels of understanding

Seals are expected to think on their own. They are not grunts and most have highly tuned strategic minds.

I do not mean IQ. Actually I would expect an IQ of usual SEAL to be high above norm.

I mean world view. The reason they are doing what they are expected to do. The second they stop believing that what they do is just or at least justified- they are toast. You cannot make a living killing people if you do not believe you are doing "good", no? And that is basic fact of being a soldier: you get paid for killing people, or at least being ready to do so if your commander-in-chief orders it. If not direct killing, then destroying infrastructure: buildings, water-pipes, electric lines. Doing as much damage to designated enemy as possible- and enemy is what your commander designates it to be.

And then you package it in a manner your psyche can handle. Till you retire or it snaps.

And that is not only a case for soldiers, though they are usually most exposed, but for any "servant of the state".

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Back to economic stuff: I know what you mean, though, personally, it is my belief, based on my own practice, that the difference between professional and wannabee is visible, loud and clear. My work speaks for itself, as I am sure Yours does too.

Clients know who is impostor - and very often they make a cheap move - usually because they do not care what they get. Quality is not what they are shopping for - the "piece" is. There is always a market for cheap chinese imitations, mass-produced "catalogue homes" and their ilk for precisely that reason.

I do not see it to be my calling to save fools from themselves.

This might be cultural difference, but for me such suing suggest that one is not so sure about his footing that he even consider impostor to be a competition.

[Nazirite]

The second they stop believing that what they do is just or at least justified- they are toast. You cannot make a living killing people if you do not believe you are doing "good"

I think that sentiment applies to most people in the military. They may not see the bigger picture, much like the civilian population in general, but once something challenges their innate morality they will start to ask questions.
One thing we must be aware of though; is the fact that the armed forces, and specifically Special Forces, has a higher than normal percentage of those with a psychopathic nature.
They are the ones who will act solely for their own individual benefit rather than what is right for the general population.

[Nazirite]

Seals , are not only highly trained physicaly... mentaly they are some of the strongest people amonsgt us. I dont mean intellectualy, but still their IQ cannot be low, the equipement they use requires certain levels of understanding

In the early days recruitment for Special Forces, was conducted in an environment (World War 2) that sought to draw volunteers from mainly drafted (conscripted ) soldiers from all branches of the military. It did not matter if the recruiting base was from the infantry or the more technical branches - because conscription (the draft) was universal and civilians were not put into service based on their peace time skills and abilities but mainly "bums on seats". In other words people were sent to the areas which were lacking.

However, in peace time this has changed. Most SF (Special Forces) tend to recruit volunteers from all services and branches within their military. In this process, over the years, SF has tended to attract soldiers from the Infantry more than from the more technical branches. As a result the IQ level has tended to drop to a much lower common denominator. So "Grunts" has, unfortunately, become a valid description of the average SF soldier.

So we now have a situation where "Grunts" select "Grunts" for SF and anyone showing intelligence is pushed out of the selection process purely because the selection process is run by a "Grunt" mentality.

[flower]

I believe before the alt media can have any legitimacy on a bigger scale.. we need to take ownership of what we do and say

These coorporate capitalistic steps are part of a bigger change...that is self eveident to anyone paying attention imo

[Charles]

I believe before the alt media can have any legitimacy on a bigger scale.. we need to take ownership of what we do and say

And old ways need to be swept away. No more dangling carrots and no more fear porn.

[Harley]

Absolutely correct Naz:

In the early days recruitment for Special Forces, was conducted in an environment (World War 2) that sought to draw volunteers from mainly drafted (conscripted ) soldiers from all branches of the military. It did not matter if the recruiting base was from the infantry or the more technical branches - because conscription (the draft) was universal and civilians were not put into service based on their peace time skills and abilities but mainly "bums on seats". In other words people were sent to the areas which were lacking.

However, in peace time this has changed. Most SF (Special Forces) tend to recruit volunteers from all services and branches within their military. In this process, over the years, SF has tended to attract soldiers from the Infantry more than from the more technical branches. As a result the IQ level has tended to drop to a much lower common denominator. So "Grunts" has, unfortunately, become a valid description of the average SF soldier.

The truth to this is an above average IQ is not required to train ANYONE on how to operate a piece of equipment, no matter how advanced and/or secret it is. They are only operators using a piece of equipment in the performance of their primary duties, no different than an infantryman is trained to use his weapon.

A Tech or Specialist is a much different story. They don't necessarily have to have a higher IQ, but the military will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per individual in their education. So as an employer which would you want to put on the ground, stomping through mud and blood? While some of these guys are used in battle environments in certain jobs it is to a much-lesser extent, and than they are usually much more protected.

So we now have a situation where "Grunts" select "Grunts" for SF and anyone showing intelligence is pushed out of the selection process purely because the selection process is run by a "Grunt" mentality.

The "Grunt" mentality. This also very much applies to the industrial complex. They've become so focused on saving money that they recruit far less educated new "young" (referring to experience) people in who barely have the slightest idea how something works (let alone troubleshoot and fix it) and they drive the older (much more experienced) individual out. And this includes new management with their "I'm going to change the world" attitude. I've seen and lived this time and again. The industrial complex THINKS they are saving money, but are they?

All what I've said relates to what Luke and Naz were talking about.

[Luke]

Thanks Harley, that adds up.

A Tech or Specialist is a much different story. They don't necessarily have to have a higher IQ, but the military will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per individual in their education.

If I am not mistaken, most SF operators (Delta, Seal6) do hold "specialist" title?
Now, thing is, there are Special Forces, and Special Forces. Here in my country we have so called "Air Cavalry" which is more or less "Green Beret"/Rangers/Spetznaz equivalent. They are grunts, but they are more soaked with modern equipement and they have more specialists to operate it. About 2500 strong. And then we have "Grom" which is THE Special Force, and is about 270-300 soldiers strong (actual number is not disclosed).

The larger unit usually as a part of normal day-to-day operations, including securing battlefield region the smaller and more covert unit operates in. They provide context, so to speak. The special-special force only swoop in to do actual job, 5 minutes and gone, usually.

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The "Grunt" mentality. This also very much applies to the industrial complex. They've become so focused on saving money that they recruit far less educated new "young" (referring to experience) people in who barely have the slightest idea how something works (let alone troubleshoot and fix it) and they drive the older (much more experienced) individual out.

That is part of the thinking , that either
(1) it is machine that is doing actual job or
(2) the title makes you capable of doing the job

Remember, that managerial class, just as military high command, lives in world that is isolated from normal lives. It is world described by models, charts, indexes. As we see today, those things have little to no connection with reality, and yet they are still used to run multinational companies/campaigns.

Also, the very fact of one elbowing the way to "high comand", one need to be (1) damn sure about being right (2)imprevious to facts (3) team player. If that sounds schizophrenic, then you are getting it. The environment is described by sets of completely artificial "measurements" and "benchmarks, ones performance is judged against, just as modern military bras knows "the theatre" from maps, that may or may not reflect real terrain, and from "batlefield data" and behavioral models that may or may not describe accurately the mental landscape of people involved.

[InCiDeR]

(...) If I am not mistaken, most SF operators (Delta, Seal6) do hold "specialist" title? (...)

As far as I know and understand this is true for almost every SF, here is an example of that SF I once was a part of:

The Swedish Coastal Rangers could be considered to be the Swedish equivalent to the United States Navy SEALs.
There are 6 members in every group and the different specalizations are:

Group Commander:
Leader of the group. There is also a 2nd-in-command in the group, who assists the group commander and takes over if the commander is killed or injured.

Communications specialist:
Responsible for groups communications equipment and the communication with the higher command. He is also trained in encryption and laser guidance as he is the one that is in charge for guiding airstrikes and artillery to located enemy targets. The extra and heavy radio equipment requires the specialist to have excellent physical stamina, although, the load is normally rotated around the section on longer evolutions.

Medic:
Responsible for tending to wounds and injuries. He is a combatant and does not carry Red Cross-markings, and is excluded from the protection that article 9 in the First Geneva convention offers to the International Red Cross "or any other impartial humanitarian organization" to provide protection and relief of wounded and sick soldiers. The medic receives 520 hours of emergency medical training and spends three weeks at a civilian hospital.

Demolitions expert:
There are two demolition experts in every group. They are proficient with the use of mines and explosives. The purpose of the demolition experts is to give the sections the ability to conduct ambushes using mines, and to perform sabotage with explosives. They are trained on every mine-system in the Swedish Armed Forces and how to employ them effectively.

Each company also has support assets, and these are:

Sniper/Spotter:
The snipers work in pairs and are available as a company asset as a detachment to the Company HQ. Their job is to provide intelligence through reconnaissance, but can also eliminate high value targets at long ranges.

Fire Support:
Soldiers in the Fire Support Group are used to provide heavy weapon - and anti armour support to the ranger sections when more firepower is needed, such as during deliberate attacks. The Fire Support Group can also be used as a quick reaction force to call in as aid if one of the ranger sections get pinned down in enemy contacts.(...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kustj%C3%A4garna

Our main objective is to operate behind enemies lines, needless to say, it is totally necessary to be able to think for yourself because you can not stay in contact with your home base. It is to risky.

To become a Coastal Ranger you have to go through a lots of tests, both physical and psychological, before they accept your application. You have to pass each and every one. One of the test is an IQ-test, you have to score at least 8 out of 10 (5 is average in the population) otherwise they will reject your application.

One thing I noticed though, during our training they of course did everything in their power to break us down totally... and then build the soldier they wanted us to be from scratch! They succeeded with many, but not all, maybe 70-30 or 75-25... but it gave me hope noticing that there were still 1 out of 4 that actually DID think!!!

(...)is the fact that the armed forces, and specifically Special Forces, has a higher than normal percentage of those with a psychopathic nature.
They are the ones who will act solely for their own individual benefit rather than what is right for the general population.(...)

I think when it comes to psychopathic nature you see them more often within the leader group, the group in the field do not necessary consists of psychopats. I think that there are other psychological triggers that sometimes makes an elite group in the field go crazy. You can see similar behavior occuring when sport fans goes crazy... anonymity, social identity, feeling forceful in group etc etc....


I actually disagree with your statement that the ones in SF act solely for their own benefits... we were trained all the time to ALWAYS consider the group and the population. I will not be able to speak for every SF of course, but in most cases I am sure at least considering the own group is totally necessary for survival.

Originally Posted by Luke
The second they stop believing that what they do is just or at least justified- they are toast. You cannot make a living killing people if you do not believe you are doing "good"

Ever heard the statement: "Money can buy everything"!

[Charles]

Another site has picked up the story, revealing more information and the court docs that have been filed.

A retired Navy SEAL who runs a training camp in Chesapeake for aspiring commandos has sued two men who claim to have been SEALs, arguing their claims of service tarnishes the reputation of everyone qualified to wear the trident.

Don Shipley, a retired Navy senior chief and owner of Extreme SEAL Experience, spends much of his time ferreting out and exposing fake SEALs. He maintains a database with the names of 17,000 graduates of BUD/S - short for Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training - and says he daily fields upward of a dozen queries about men claiming to be SEALs.

When Shipley comes across people not in the database making public claims about their service, or trying to profit from a connection to the SEALs, he typically turns to Facebook or YouTube, where his "Phony Seal of the Week" videos often get tens of thousands of hits.

This week, Shipley took his efforts up a notch. A Florida attorney filed a lawsuit in Hillsborough County, Fla., targeting Barry "Bear" Silverman and William Brockbrader, as well as Wolf Spirit Radio, an online forum where Brockbrader posts his writings.

Senior Chief Mike Raney, who works in the public affairs office of the California-based headquarters of Naval Special Warfare Command, said he gets phone calls every day from people wanting to check the credentials of men claiming to be SEALs.

The command's database is more extensive than Shipley's, he said. In addition to the names of every graduate of SEAL training, it also has the names of everyone who started BUD/S and dropped out.

"Not only are these guys not SEALs, but they never even trained to become SEALs," Raney said of Silverman and Brockbrader.

Shipley and Raney both said that anyone claiming to have gone through a classified version of SEAL training is probably hiding something.

"Basically, BUD/S is the first step," Raney said. "Nothing within that extent of becoming a SEAL is classified."

Full story here: http://hamptonroads.com/2012/03/laws...ose-fake-seals


PDF of court docs filed :

[Anno]

That project Camelot and its followers are morons convinced of their intelecual superiority. Obviously they know more than the guys that are/ were in the military.

[Brockbrader's] Support group must be from Jonestown?!!!

from here: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...27546383927429

Some of the comments on there are pretty damn harsh.

A few sources are saying that Kerry and PC are also listed in the lawsuit. As for the legal question, they're citing some law called Stolen Valor and NCIS (unfortunately not Gibbs) are investigating it, so it is very real.

There's some damn angry people out there who are now well and truly closed off to anything we in this community might say to them because certain people among us are so desparate to have their faces shown on youtube that they'll let any idiot with a cool story share the spotlight with them. At least Bilbo has buggered off to south america to start his commune, maybe be saw it coming.

I have two words for would be truth warriors, gurus and youtube mountebanks: Due Diligence. Stop making the rest of us look like cretins just so you can feed your ego.

[Nazirite]

I have two words for would be truth warriors, gurus and youtube mountebanks: Due Diligence. Stop making the rest of us look like cretins just so you can feed your ego.

Couldn't agree more. I don't know how this Brockbrader story managed to gain so much ground. It was clearly utter nonsense from the start and should be a wake up call for those in the alt. media community to reflect and start paying more attention to their discernment skills.

Just look at the amount of time and effort that has been consumed and wasted - then tell me it didn't act as a massive diversion from REAL events in the world.