David Icke Gives a Tour of his Mansion

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I like David Icke, but I used to LOVE David Icke.
He has done a hell of a lot of good work, and reached a lot of people. I go with my gut instinct a lot, and somehow I just drifted away from his work. I know some of his work is other peoples work re packaged, and some of it is plain wrong.

I would be very surprised if David Icke isn't worth AT LEAST a million. I know people think that ?1,000,000 is a huge amount, but it really isn't. (personally i reckon he's worth a bit more than that) but as others have said, I feel his heart is in the right place, he has woke a LOT of people up, and he has come amazingly far since his appearance as 'Jesus' on Terry Wogan (whom I lost all respect for after that show) His life was ruined, he was a laughing stock in the UK for years afterwards, and i think he deserves some success. Like Fred said, why do we always turn on our own? He's not perfect, but who is? he has done more than me to make the world a better place, so I say fair play to him!

I would much prefer someone like Icke to make a few quid than someone who will tread everyone else into the dirt to make money. Don't forget, David travelled all over the place, talking to conference rooms with about 3 people in it for a long time, but he didn't give up, and for that alone he has my respect.



Hurritt

[flower]

being famous doesnt nessecerily mean rich

[Alegna]

Celine-There's no comparison between David Icke and the Camel-lot. They were living off donations made by gullible people,for interviewing a load of shills and nut jobs-who's claims did not hold up under scrutiny.David's research has foundation in fact,and he's been proved right time after time. That's why so many pay good money for his books and talks. Why resent him for that? He's currently on a world tour which will earn him serious money, but think of the amount of people who will be inspired to make a difference to society as a result. Do you not think that the cost of organising such a tour will incur quite a lot of expense? David has never lived in anything resembling a mansion, He left his ols house to his wife and kids. Anno- Can you provide the paperwork to prove he increased the value of his company by 500%, or did you just read that somewhere? He only ha about a dozen of each of his books on the shelf, hardly enough to make a significant difference to his bank balance, wheter or not he gave them away? Why should't David make a profit from what he does anyway? Don't we all have to have money to live off? In my opinion David works hard for his money, and his talks and books might just be enough to bring about a much needed paradigm shift that could turn things around on this planet.

[Limited Edition]

I don't think David is selling the Truth. He is selling information. The information is a catalyst that hopefully gets people thinking for themselves. There are always people looking to someone else for Truth, but I think that can only be found within oneself.

[Anno]

You are joking about the serpent in the signature, aren't you, Anno

No. How do you see it and how do you explain it? It's a big curvey line that snakes like a serpent but as I said, there's no S in his name. I think you just don't want to see it but if Tony Blair did it we'd be pointing the stick of evil just now.[/quote]

So Icke's company books are public. Is that not what we have been asking of others here who won't be transparent?

They're public because that's the law, not because he's transparent. He also has other companies. For example, he set up a company called Isle of Wight Sports LTD shortly after David Icke Books Ltd that was intended to make money out of Events and Arenas. Only it has never traded because he then moved in to Events and Arenas through David Icke Books. Why bother with the competitive sports market when there was a wide open market (us) waiting to be exploited? How do you think he gets in to these huge venues when noone else can?

He also puts the companies in the names of his wife and kids so it's pretty damn hard to track it all down.

Speaking of wives, did you know that when he posed for photographs in the mid 90's with his wife and kid on one arm and his pregnant mistress on the other, he said, infinite love means it's ok?

As for transparency, do you know that the moderators for his forum have to sign non-disclosure agreements before they're allowed into what he calls the pyramid system that runs the place? Did you know that he changed the terms and conditions of that forum to allow the site admin/mods to read users private messages after half the mods walked in protest when they found out it was going on in secret? As a mod, do you condone this?

Did you know that he authorised his site admin to use alternate identities on other forums to post his 'copyright work' then sent threatening letters via his first wife and David Icke books trying to get them shut down for posting said material? Do you condone this?

Did you know that in his early days he was open about all of his info coming from channeled sources that he names in his autobiography, including St Germaine? Probably not because he withdrew that book from publication and started saying that those same entities that were speaking to him were the same ones that the illuminati followed. This is after he worked with Jordan Maxwell's truth seeker corporation and brought all of his anti-semitic (no we mean reptiles honest) material to the UK. Maxwell even started a PR war with him over it.

Like I said, there are many many many questions that he refuses to answer and anyone who tries to ask them on his forum gets abused and then banned. They're all over the internet and will tell you all about it if you ask. As are the sources for everything I've just said. But it's ok, he's the messiah.

[Luke]

I don't think David is selling the Truth. He is selling information. The information is a catalyst that hopefully gets people thinking for themselves. There are always people looking to someone else for Truth, but I think that can only be found within oneself.

True. It's showing the path and walking it thing.

Then, if you are still here, that means, you have not walked it far enough. No adults here. Only children that try to find way in dark room talking their experiences to each other.

As for million dollars/pounds/euro, to give you perspective: a kilometre of the 2-lane/direction road here in my country is estimated to cost ~3 million Euro's . 2.5 mil pounds.

So, million pounds can buy you about 410 meters of tarmac.

And it will take average Earth worker 145 years of work to acquire this sum, if he would save all what he earned.

Perspective, no?

Moar: http://demonocracy.info/infographics...orld_debt.html

[linz2d]

The question is not really about money Luke, even though we are quoting figures. I think Icke may have started off with good intentions perhaps he still does but what is Icke's main driving force now, helping humanity or charging people for the help... as stated on his website, premium subscribers get exclusive content.

[Luke]

Well, it is about money then.

Ok, let me put it that way: A rabbit chase. You can use swift hound and get it. Or you can make a perpetual social event out of it, so actual act of getting the rabbit would be unwelcome, as it would get rid of the excuse for meeting, dressing up, socializing ...

We use money as an energy proxy, in order to manage resources that are scarce. No scarce resources== no money needed.

Now, the question is, what is goal of the whole alternative movement.

Some would think that stuff will become more or less the same, with some "reptile heads of bloodlines" removed.

Others would see, that this means complete remake of human society, and even humans themselves - down to root of existence.

Then, there is a matter of time: do we know the solution now, and it only need to be implemented, or we are just chasing around the totem tree without touching on the real issue?

If you are writing books, publishing them, organizing the companies, then you do not expect to current state of things to vanish overnight. Actually, you are planning for the state of things to last. And that means, you do not have the answers. If you do not have answers then what is it about?

Lifestyle maybe?

And lifestyle is something you need to afford...

[pillaroflight]

I personally really like David Icke. What I wonder is why some of you are not so critical of, say, James Gilliland. The "reverence" of "The Reverend" is quite noticeable, and quite inconsistent with the criticism you all level on Icke. Why doesn't this community jump on him and "eat our own" as Fred so well put it?

[flower]

IMO..

Gililand is more about sharring...and walking the talk.. the Icke


But in the same breath,,, James is responsible for what he puts out there..he supports it with shared experiences and data.

He is inviting and warm..where as icke reminds of of kinda... an elitist in his own way

Whistleblowers and witnesses at that level get a certain notoriaty... and they fed off of it.

I dont get the sens that james is feeding off of it

[pillaroflight]

IMO..

I dont get the sens that james is feeding off of it

well, I do.

[flower]

Ok thats good .. i like looking at different perspectives.

So what gives you that sense?

[pillaroflight]

Ok thats good .. i like looking at different perspectives.

So what gives you that sense?

I have to leave soon, so can't write much. I wonder about some of his "guests" like Dolores Cannon, Lisa Renee........also, just looking at his site, well, the boxes and boxes of photographs he speaks about, when you look at the photos he has posted, they are very unimpressive.

The photos of Mary he talks about are a JOKE. What proof is there that they are real? I could go on, but I gotta go.........

[flower]

Yes i expressed that somewhat..

wanting evidence of protocols on how he "proves" stuff

I felt that was a bit opened ended as well.

[Bethany]

Well I don't know David Icke, so I couldn't vouch 100% either way for him. I did find it pretty great that last year that he really went out of his way to help Credo out, when some turned their backs (or used it for their own benefit).

[Anno]

Yeah let's not focus on the verifiable information on Icke, let's move the goalposts and start talking about someone else.

[flower]

A quote from his soon to be ex wife

‘David is drawing this out, we can’t agree over the finances. He is controlling and angry — he has issues.’

and she has her own issues

‘I had set up David’s website and got the whole thing going, but it was agreed I’d transfer my duties to his daughter Kerry,’ says Pamela.
‘We had a meeting with Linda and we agreed how money made from the business would be split.
‘I could tell Linda was getting upset about what was being discussed. The thing was, she had always been responsible for the business side of things and I don’t think she liked the new set-up.’
Tensions increased, she says, when a psychic whom Icke had consulted for advice began influencing him against Pamela.
‘She was crucial to what has happened. She told David I was out to take his business and separate him from his children. Everyone was against me — I was the target.’

IMo the "home video" s just a part of him trying to protect his assets...

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nothing wrong with that....technically

[linz2d]

If you are writing books, publishing them, organizing the companies, then you do not expect to current state of things to vanish overnight. Actually, you are planning for the state of things to last. And that means, you do not have the answers. If you do not have answers then what is it about?

Lifestyle maybe?

And lifestyle is something you need to afford...

Exactly and its one of my major criticisms of Icke is that he preaches against the system yet at the same time seems very good at using the system for his own benefit.

Anyway I am dropping out, like Luke pointed out there are far more important things to focus on.

[pillaroflight]

Yeah let's not focus on the verifiable information on Icke, let's move the goalposts and start talking about someone else.

I wasn't "moving the goalposts" but rather pointing out what I see as a an inconsistency in this community's near fawning of Gilliland--even giving him a platform to share his airy fairy (literally) ideas, almost without question, then attacking David Icke. To be fair, Celine did offer some skepticism, but for the most part it seemed like everyone was accepting everything he said hook, line and sinker. Because Celine asked, I went on to explain why I am skeptical of Gilliland and his operation.

And what is wrong with making a good living from your hard work, your career choice? If I were to start making money hand over fist with my art, does that mean I should be a non-profit? A person doesn't deserve to have a comfortable lifestyle as a result their work?

Luke, you say he somehow shouldn't be working within "the system"--how on earth else is he supposed to operate? In 5D like Lisa Renee or George Kavasillas?

Celine, you seem so convinced that the reason he made the video was to protect his assets. Those close to him could easily see what type of lifestyle he has--including the attorneys in the divorce (or their private investigators). I don't see how the video would "protect his assets".......

And Anno, what are you saying with the video you posted? You have not provided any evidence that David Icke is the charlatan you make him out to be. If his message doesn't resonate with you, fine, but that doesn't make him a fake. Maybe you are the one who can't handle the truth....

[flower]

even giving him a platform to share his airy fairy

We did not give him a platform

A senior member offered it as a suggestion and set it up

NeXus NetiZen Radio is for anyone...

Whether we agree... or not.

And richard is one of the toughest skeptics you will find out there..

Ask him if he belives it.... i will assume he says no.

But he found james to be a respectful and belivable human being and he is motivated to go to the ranch and research for himself

Which is the lesson i got from it

No one is going to prove to me that fairies or sasquatch lives... I have to see it for myself.

[pillaroflight]

Actually, you did give him a platform. The definition of giving someone a platform:

an opportunity or a place for somebody to express their opinions publicly or make progress in a particular area.

She used the newspaper column as a platform for her feminist views.

http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionar...onary/platform

Not that there was anything wrong with that, per say, (I was interested in what he had to say as well) but it seemed like skepticism was missing, especially from those from whom I would have expected it (Richard). And then there was the "After Show Glow" thread ........

But back to the topic.....

[Luke]

Luke, you say he somehow shouldn't be working within "the system"--how on earth else is he supposed to operate? In 5D like Lisa Renee or George Kavasillas?

Actually, I am only pointing to a fact that he has strategy that is tailored to very specific kind of outcome.
Operating implies you know the specific steps to go between now and "what I want it to be". And I think he knows where he wants himself to be. I can respect that.

The seller can advertise however he wants, without buyers there would be no profits. And we are supposed to be adults in that aspect.

We are market, people. Serious bucks, even if we do not look like the part.

Question for you: what concept that brought you visible step closer to figuring this world's riddle you bought lately? If you would know something 100% solid in that respect, would you sell it? What kind of information will you be willing to sell? To whom?

Knowing where you are, what is price tag? Do you know it?

And while we are at it, what kind of outcome out of this mess would be acceptable to you?

[flower]

Not that there was anything wrong with that, per say, (I was interested in what he had to say as well) but it seemed like skepticism was missing, especially from those from whom I would have expected it (Richard). And then there was the "After Show Glow" thread ........

If you like to talk more about this... either start a thread or pm me

i find the topic interesting

[pillaroflight]

Actually, I am only pointing to a fact that he has strategy that is tailored to very specific kind of outcome.
Operating implies you know the specific steps to go between now and "what I want it to be". And I think he knows where he wants himself to be. I can respect that.

The seller can advertise however he wants, without buyers there would be no profits. And we are supposed to be adults in that aspect.

We are market, people. Serious bucks, even if we do not look like the part.

Question for you: what concept that brought you visible step closer to figuring this world's riddle you bought lately? If you would know something 100% solid in that respect, would you sell it? What kind of information will you be willing to sell?

Knowing where you are, what is price tag? Do you know it?

And while we are at it, what kind of outcome out of this mess would be acceptable to you?

I think his desired outcome is to reach as many people as possible. Is the message perfect? Probably not. What price tag should be put on it? That is dictated by the market--for example, the cost of one of his books--the price is totally in line with what one would expect for a book of that length, etc....he doesn't overcharge because he has a "special" message.

And while we are at it, what kind of outcome out of this mess would be acceptable to you?

Ok, which mess are you referring to? The mess of the world? I don't have any answers, I'm not that smart. But knowing there is a problem and knowing things aren't what we've been taught is the place to start.......and I feel that DI's message can be a starting point, to question what we've been brainwashed to believe.

Have you read any of his books? I have only read Human Race Get Off Your Knees which I thought had a lot of thought provoking information, although it was not as documented as I would have preferred.

[Elva]

Sometimes the proof is in the perceived resonance with a.n.other. I ask questions non-stop and generally I accept nothing at face value. I harbour many doubts. I realise that I am not in possession of a lot of facts, and therefore on certain topics such as chemtrails or HAARP I really am not in a position to comment, apart from to give my humble opinion.

However, there are some people with whom I resonate very strongly. Some of those people are forum members, some are people in my everyday 3-d life .. and some are high profile alternative media people.. like David Icke and James Gilliland.

David Icke is always going to get stick for what he does, but he has a thick skin and can handle it. He really doesn't strike me as being in this business for the money. If he is, then he's got is own karma to deal with. He may have taken wrong turns on his path according to some (who are we to judge), but he has endured much ridicule on his path and I for one wish him well on the rest of his journey. I always keep tabs on the information that he puts up on his website and I really think that info needs to get out one way or the other. Let's also remember that he and his ex-wife are human and have experienced a painful and very public split up. They are entitled to a little bit of ego play-out. We all do it, most of us with the luxury of privacy.

Regarding James Gilliland, I just don't doubt his sincerity one bit. But that's just me. I certainly intend to experience the high energy at Eceti Ranch in the next few months and I know I'll have all the proof I need regarding what James talks about. In the case of Eceti, it's not proof I'm looking for.. it's the energy .. heaven knows, I need some of that!

If none of these high profile people spoke out.. there would be no truth movement. And there would be no available information for us to form opinions around.

Thankfully we have been given many perceptions to work with, and in my case, other peoples' have served as a basis for the development of my own ever-changing perception.