David Icke Gives a Tour of his Mansion

[Anthony]

Harmony is the highest natural state, so anyone opposing it must fail...

not seeing much harmony here...

[Anno]

Harmony is the highest natural state, so anyone opposing it must fail...

not seeing much harmony here...

Maybe that's because you don't understand what that quote is about? Here's the full section:

Most of the misery in the world seems to stem from conflicting wills. One person wants what another does not want to give away, or one wants to stand on a space occupied by another, and so on. But the world is big and rich enough for all. We should be able to live full and pleasant lives, without robbing others.
This is the conviction of Aikido. Harmony is the highest natural state, so anyone opposing it must fail. The one who is willing to do battle for his own gain will neither succeed with his ambition nor find a battle at all. When he wants to push another aside he will be lead back to his own place. When he tries to drag others along, they will escape, so that he just stumbles ahead on his own. His force strikes right back at him, and each time he is returned to where he started.

I should be able to talk about information (that is verifiable) without being strawmanned and accused of things that are untrue. If you think harmony means I bend over and take it then you don't understand harmony. Harmony would be talking about the facts, not ignoring them and creating a flame war. It's clear to anyone who's read the thread who has taken either path.

I think it speaks volumes for Icke's supporters that they've all consistently refused to discuss the information and chosen to gang up on me instead. Personally, I don't care what people think of me or if they agree with me on certain points. I'm capable of disagreeing with people on something without hating them. Clearly others here are not.

As I said, don't expect me to give in to peer pressure and not defend myself. Don't expect me to sell out my self respect for the sake of not pissing off popular people or to preserve the image of a self-styled guru. That is not harmony. Our dignity and self respect are the only things that can never be taken from us, we must always give them away. Something I will never do.

Truth isn't a popularity contest.

[Anthony]

Clarification needed - I like the quote and posted it without your name to emphasise that I like it and to state quietly that the dis-harmony on this thread is not to my liking.
No rant, no attack just my thoughts out loud

[Anno]

No rant, no attack just my thoughts out loud

Sorry, the hostile energy has me on the defensive.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

If you think harmony means I bend over and take it then you don't understand harmony.

Jesus H Christ Anno, nobody told you to shut the fuck up, we can all dissagree and back and forth as much as we like, just treat each other with respect.

I'm capable of disagreeing with people on something without hating them. Clearly others here are not.

Nobody hates anybody as far as I can see.

As I said, don't expect me to give in to peer pressure and not defend myself. Don't expect me to sell out my self respect for the sake of not pissing off popular people

What peer pressure? I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. It is irrelevant whom is popular and who isnt. If it would have been a member with 1 post, I would still want to keep the discussion respectful.


Hurritt

[Anno]

It is irrelevant whom is popular and who isnt. If it would have been a member with 1 post, I would still want to keep the discussion respectful.

I don't want to get into an argument with you over it Hurritt but I only see you warning me to behave while I'm defending myself and not the person that launched the attack against me. I didn't ask them to steal someone else's strawman and attack me with it. Go back and read how the thread changed from people asking about the infinite love forum and then Pillar and LightBlue jumping in with their Falun Dafa bullshit. Which is an interesting thread btw. My one that is, not EnergyGem's.

Or, even better, if people want to actually discuss any of the information I've shared about Icke, feel free. It's watered down now thanks to his sheepdogs but it's all still here and there's plenty to choose from.

[bruno dante]

Anno, you'll likely say I'm "strawman-ing" you here, but it seems you're more "fanatically" against Icke than anybody here is "fanatically" for Icke. My observations tell me the "Fandom" is coming from you, mate.

9 times outta 10, suggesting a fellow member explore their motivations is just passive aggressive condescension, but I mean it here with absolute and total sincerity. I can't understand why you're being so sensitive about this. Not just Icke, but the alleged "attacks" coming your way. Did you really think all those you've addressed as "followers" were just gonna lay down and not retaliate?

I have no problem at all discussing Icke and his work; as has been mentioned, public figures open their lives to scrutiny; that's part of the game. But public posters on internet forums also open themselves up to scrutiny, and if you take an extreme position ("Icke is a cult leader") you better be prepared to back it up with extreme evidence to support your point of view or you're gonna catch a lot of sh!t.

I checked out the suggested thread you posted, and it seemed quite thin to me; I saw nothing to get too excited about. Then again, you did build it up quite a bit, and that may have accounted for my disappointment. It's like a joke - you never start out by telling your audience how funny it's going to be; you deliberately lower expectations to create a dynamic in which those hearing your joke will be pleasantly surprised.

If you and I were talking over coffee at a cafe or something, and you said "Icke is an as#hole", I'd probably laugh, because that's just my sense of humor, and I'd likely follow up with a "why do you feel that way?" And then I'd leave it alone, regardless of your answer, because that would be a PRIVATE conversation. The issue I have with what's going on here is: this is a PUBLIC discussion, and it's egregiously irresponsible to chuck accusations out there without sufficient evidence to back up a particular point of view. You'll likely suggest I do the proper research or something like that, but i would counter that the onus is on you to provide the info, seeing as though you keep dragging this man's name through the mud. And yes, I know that this is "just your opinion", and yes, you are entitled to it, but you're presenting it here in a public forum in a very irresponsible way.

[linz2d]

I am sorry to say this but people here need to come to the realization that others do have a ******** opinion, which may indeed be different from your own and even go against popular opinion. Everyone needs to acknowledge this and no one, NO ONE has the right to tell someone else to piss off because they don’t agree with that persons view.

If a person comments on here with the view that David Icke isn’t all that he makes out to be, then so be it. If you disagree with this that's fine but don’t go out of your way to force you are own beliefs on others and have Word War ******* three. If arguments get heated someone needs to be man/women enough to say, "well I don’t agree but that's fine I have already made my point and I will leave it that". There is no winners or looser here because everyone has a ******* opinion and there no point trying to defend you beliefs against someone who doesn’t understand your point of view or that which has shaped your beliefs.

Anno I agree with much of what you have written with regards to Icke, if others don't agree with it then ****'em. Its the same for those who are defending Icke, you don’t agree then just point your middle finger to the screen. A person can state their views but theres no need to go out of the way to defend it or justify it to others and if others don't agree then so ******* be it, your views have already been written down. Of course this doesn't rule out discussion but it should never get to this state which has been seen on this thread.

[bruno dante]

I am sorry to say this but people here need to come to the realization that others do have a fucking opinion, which may indeed be different from your own and even go against popular opinion. Everyone needs to acknowledge this and no one, NO ONE has the right to tell someone else to piss off because they don’t agree with that persons view.

If a person comments on here with the view that David Icke isn’t all that he makes out to be, then so be it. If you disagree with this that's fine but don’t go out of your way to force you are own beliefs on others and have Word War fucking three. If arguments get heated someone needs to be man/women enough to say, "well I don’t agree but that's fine I have already made my point and I will leave it that". There is no winners or looser here because everyone has a fucking opinion and there no point trying to defend you beliefs against someone who doesn’t understand your point of view or that which has shaped your beliefs.

Anno I agree with much of what you have written with regards to Icke, if others don't agree with it then fuck'em. Its the same for those who are defending Icke, you don’t agree then just point your middle finger to the screen. A person can state their views but theres no need to go out of the way to defend it or justify it to others and if others don't agree then so fucking be it, your views have already been written down. Of course this doesn't rule out discussion but it should never get to this state which has been seen on this thread.

Why don't you tell us how you really "FUCKING" feel linz2d?

I basically agree with what you're saying, but it's not quite that simple, unfortunately. The issue of responsibility comes into play. Extreme positions require extreme evidence - plain n simple.

[linz2d]

Excuse my French, I was expecting some hearts to appear which i have now fixed with stars.

[bruno dante]

Excuse my French, I was expecting some hearts to appear.

LOL. I always did too, but you've liberated here my friend!

No more #'s, %'s, or *'s for Dante. I'm goin for it every time now, man! (fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck...God it feels good)

[Anno]

The issue of responsibility comes into play. Extreme positions require extreme evidence - plain n simple.

Using infinite love to justify adultery. Withdrawing his early books to hide his channelling. The links with Jordan Maxwell and the true origin of the Reptilian Agenda. The evidence from the Royal Adams case showing he makes far more in America than he declares in the UK. His use of ptb venues. The connection between him and General Electric. Allowing his forum to run counter to his claimed beliefs in free speech. Sending his admin to falseflag other forums that he saw as competition. Making ?250,000.00 profit in the last three years yet still crying poverty. His refusal to tell people where their legal fund donations went. Having his official tshirts made by sweatshop worker using Guillain. What more do you want? I can't keep repeating myself Bruno. I've shared enough in this thread and it just leads to hostility.

if others don't agree with it then fuck'em

That's where I'm at now. People will believe what they want to believe. I believe the alternative community was infiltrated years ago starting with Jordan Maxwell and Icke signed up as the UK embassador in the mid-90's. I believe he sent people like ktlight to infiltrate Avalon and I believe there are people here representing his interests. I believe there's plenty of evidence if you want to find it. I believe that until people wake up to this we will continue to be bombarded with fear porn and we will be distracted from real issues that we can actually do something about.

I also believe it's awesome that we can swear now without the auto-censoring.

[bruno dante]

Using infinite love to justify adultery. Withdrawing his early books to hide his channelling. The links with Jordan Maxwell and the true origin of the Reptilian Agenda. The evidence from the Royal Adams case showing he makes far more in America than he declares in the UK. His use of ptb venues. The connection between him and General Electric. Allowing his forum to run counter to his claimed beliefs in free speech. Sending his admin to falseflag other forums that he saw as competition. Making ?250,000.00 profit in the last three years yet still crying poverty. His refusal to tell people where their legal fund donations went. Having his official tshirts made by sweatshop worker using Guillain. What more do you want? I can't keep repeating myself Bruno. I've shared enough in this thread and it just leads to hostility.



That's where I'm at now. People will believe what they want to believe. I believe the alternative community was infiltrated years ago starting with Jordan Maxwell and Icke signed up as the UK embassador in the mid-90's. I believe he sent people like ktlight to infiltrate Avalon and I believe there are people here representing his interests. I believe there's plenty of evidence if you want to find it. I believe that until people wake up to this we will continue to be bombarded with fear porn and we will be distracted from real issues that we can actually do something about.

I also believe it's awesome that we can swear now without the auto-censoring.

Ok well fuck you then

Just kidding, of course - forgive me, I'm just a little too giddy with this new-found freedom. It's just great; try it out. Tell me to go fuck myself. I promise you it'll be worth it! LOL

p.s. Ok, now we're talking. You've given me something to work with here. Give me a little time to research this stuff myself, and I'll be back in no time with an obnoxious rebuttal

[Fred Steeves]

I believe the alternative community was infiltrated years ago starting with Jordan Maxwell and Icke signed up as the UK embassador in the mid-90's. I believe he sent people like ktlight to infiltrate Avalon and I believe there are people here representing his interests.

Damn those meddling kids...Cornered again...

On the bright side, whatever happens we should all be doing better than these guys at our 40 year re-union.

[lightblue]

I don't want to get into an argument with you over it Hurritt but I only see you warning me to behave while I'm defending myself and not the person that launched the attack against me. I didn't ask them to steal someone else's strawman and attack me with it. Go back and read how the thread changed from people asking about the infinite love forum and then Pillar and LightBlue jumping in with their Falun Dafa bullshit. Which is an interesting thread btw. My one that is, not EnergyGem's.

Or, even better, if people want to actually discuss any of the information I've shared about Icke, feel free. It's watered down now thanks to his sheepdogs but it's all still here and there's plenty to choose from.

curious you should find yourself insulted/attacked/accused by my thinking you may be q-gong cult member, but somehow don?t expect me to be insulted by your concluding i must be one of icke?s ... ..
in you later post you put more flash to your characterisation by referring to me as a ?sheepdog?..


i found there was a strong inconsistency in integrity of your discernment and based on what you wrote up until that point voiced my concerns by stating what i did in my post #134.....my understanding hasn?t changed... right or wrong, this is my sense...i appreciate you may dismiss it as untrue, but you can?t go about sanctioning my mind......the subsequent many insults hurled at me i find distasteful... l

[flower]

ya i find a lot of this distasteful..

you have NO IDEA WHAT IM FINDING DISTASTEFUL AT THIS TIME!!!!


Fucking people... really?


c'mon really?


I love you... why are you fighting?

please stop fighting..

this is our home..

this is our heart...



please im begging you stop fighting....


*celine cries *


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