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    The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    It's good to be reminded just what power we have in our collective voice


    Tens of thousands of people have gathered in Norway's capital Oslo to sing a popular children's song that mass killer Anders Breivik says he hates.
    About 40,000 people sang the 1970s song Children of the Rainbow near the courthouse where Breivik is being tried for the murder of 77 people last July.
    Breivik says he considers the song to be a Marxist "brainwashing of Norwegian pupils".
    But one of the demonstrators, Torbjorn Sandvik, says it is a song of unity.
    "This song represents the opposite of everything he stands for," he said.
    "Because this song represents getting people together, negotiate, make the world a better place."
    The demonstrators braved rainy weather and waved roses as they sang the song, by Norwegian folk singer Lillebjoern Nilsen.
    Its chorus goes: "Together, we will live, each sister and each brother, small children of the rainbow and a green Earth."
    "We are the ones who are winning," Nilsen - a beloved, Willy Nelson-esque folk singer dressed in his trademark black and with a grey beard - told the crowd.
    Inside the court, the 33-year-old accused right-wing extremist sat listening without showing emotion to powerful testimony from survivors of his bloodbath on the ninth day of his trial.
    Breivik first set off a bomb near government offices in Oslo, killing eight people, before going to nearby Utoya island where he shot dead 69 people, mostly teens, attending a Labour Party youth camp.
    While he has confessed to carrying out the twin attacks, he refuses to plead guilty, saying his attacks were "cruel but necessary" to stop the ruling Labour Party's "multicultural experiment" and the "Muslim invasion" of Norway and Europe.
    Anne Helene Lund, a bubbly 24-year-old, described how the explosion hurled her out of the tower housing the prime minister's offices, where she had been working for the summer as a receptionist.
    Seriously injured, she suffered massive memory loss: she said she remembers virtually nothing from the three years she spent studying politics and had been forced to start over with studies at secondary school level.
    Her doctor father Jan Henrik Lund described the atrocious injuries his daughter had suffered, telling the court she had come "just millimetres from death" and pointing out that she had been nicknamed "the miracle girl" by her rescuers.
    "It was like living the best and the worst at the same time," he said of the moment he had finally found his daughter at a hospital, in a coma, on the evening of July 22.
    "It was fantastic to find her alive, but awful to see her so injured," he added through tears.
    'Spitting out teeth'
    Prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh and many spectators in the courtroom also fought back tears, but Breivik himself continued to stare straight ahead, apparently unaffected by the testimony.
    Another survivor, Harald Foesker, a 67-year-old government employee who had been on vacation on July 22 but had stopped by his office to print some documents, told the court that his "face was ripped loose from his head" when the blast occurred.
    "I was hanging there, and I was spitting out my teeth," he recalled.
    After several big operations he has been able to return to work part-time.
    "It is up to me to decide when I want to stop working. No-one else," said Mr Foesker, who has lost 80 per cent of his sight.
    Breivik has previously insisted he is of sound mind, accusing a team of psychiatric experts of making things up to prove him insane.
    If the court ultimately finds Breivik sane, he will face Norway's maximum 21-year prison sentence, but that term can be extended for as long as he is considered a threat to society.
    If he is found criminally insane, however, he will be sent to a closed psychiatric care unit for treatment, a fate he has described as "worse than death".




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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    A simple yet very powerful display. Mankind at our best.

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    The original song is by Pete Seeger .

    PS.
    another one


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezyd40kJFq0
    (may you stay, forever young)


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    I will probably be unpopular for saying this but so be it. This man is obviously insane. What caused him to lose his mind? I have no clue. Perhaps he has a tortured past that we do not know of and we celebrate torturing him by singing a song that he hates? What he did was wrong but I will not be standing in line to torture the man. Yes, put him away so he can not kill again , but are we better than him if we celebrate torturing him?


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    I guess torture is one perspective...

    but so is standing up to a bully

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    Standing up to him is putting him in prison or in an institution. Torture is torture.


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    It seems similar to contemporary court proceedings where families takes turns berating the accused/convicted criminal. At first, I was very put off by the process but in an attempt to be tolerant of other entities I came to the conclusion that there is one redeeming quality to the act. Closure?
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    I will probably be unpopular for saying this but so be it. This man is obviously insane. What caused him to lose his mind? I have no clue. Perhaps he has a tortured past that we do not know of and we celebrate torturing him by singing a song that he hates? What he did was wrong but I will not be standing in line to torture the man. Yes, put him away so he can not kill again , but are we better than him if we celebrate torturing him?



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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    And I have seen court proceeding where the mother of a victim asks the judge to put the defendant away and then faces the defendant and forgives them. That is true closure. Watch Caroline Myss. The wound can not heal if we continue to poke it. Put the man away so he can not harm again, but do not poke and prod him. He is wounded too.


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    Quote Originally Posted by Khaleesi View Post
    I will probably be unpopular for saying this but so be it. This man is obviously insane. What caused him to lose his mind? I have no clue. Perhaps he has a tortured past that we do not know of and we celebrate torturing him by singing a song that he hates? What he did was wrong but I will not be standing in line to torture the man. Yes, put him away so he can not kill again , but are we better than him if we celebrate torturing him?
    Hi Khaleesi, I can certainly understand where you're coming from there, and I do respect your obviously well thought out position. I guess there's two different aspects of this I'm looking at here.

    One is I run countless scenarios through my mind all the time of what I would do in any given situation. kind of like war gaming I reckon, I'm just weird like that. One of the more recent ones is what would I do if I were a person who came home one day, found my wife murdered, and by evidence left behind it was obvious who the offender was. It runs the same every time: Calm like the eye of a hurricane, and cool as a cucumber, I rack my .45, go to the person's house, walk on in and right up to them, put the gun point blank between their eyes, and pull the trigger. Then I lay the gun down, call 911 to explain what happened, and inform them I'll be sitting unarmed in the driveway, waiting for the police.

    While I'm sitting waiting in the driveway is when I totally forgive the person, and wish them well on their journey.

    Now the way I see it, these people either personally had their children senselessly slaughtered by this monster, or they knew someone directly who did. I can just imagine how many of them have wished for just one minute alone in a room with the man. They're not going to get that, but they can let their voices atleast be heard by him once and for all. More so than that even, they are sending a message loud and clear to him, and the universe at large, that this tragedy in their lives via this monstrous act will not break their spirit as a people. I think that's fucking awesome...

    I also think they've suffered enough to deserve atleast that. When is their time for forgiveness? Who knows, it's different for every person. Some will never forgive, and that's a tragedy all in itself. So it is...

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    i would rather people respond to terroists like this the cower behind greater needs for security ..

    I am very open about my outlook on the future ..despite the way things are now ..

    as we see more and more people come together to be heard by governments and to rebuke bad things ..There will be a realization in the future in the near future .. that as it become more normal for the people to comunicate between each other ..

    It will become much harder for governments to separate people ..and turn one population against another ..

    terror is the extreme way one group get heard by another ..

    and Khaleesi.. i understand your stand point.. but by the article it seems like he the terrorist was the only one who wasn't effected ..but for those other involved it may have provided healing ..


    this guy should be put in a room with a tv screen that dislays each one of his victims for the rest of his life ..


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    Fred, I appreciate your honesty. I want to point out that I never said he shouldn't be punished. He should be put in prison. What intrigues me about all of this is that 'we' as a community seem to seek truth but rarely seek it within ourselves. We 'demand' it of others, but do not look into our own souls. 'Confronting' this man will bring back a loved one? No. It makes us feel better? Some say yes. How exactly? By turning ourselves into the 'bully'? Or keeping that victimization going? We flagellate ourselves and keep the wound open and blame the 'defendant' that is on trial, in this case Breivik. Okay Odah, let's flagellate the wound by showing him pictures of the victims. Yes, let's keep our own wound open by doing this and thereby proclaim our victimhood perpetually. Put him in prison. Stop being a victim and giving your power away.


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    I would never stand in judgement of anothers healing path


    and i do not feel they are wallowing in their victimhood.

    Coming together, and using music to sing about standing strong even in the face of unimaginable violence is something positive from my POV

    Reminded me of these kids.. who wrote up a letter with a community organizer to tell their parents they need to quit drugs.

    People uniting to help eachother... now thats a human thing

    Native kids send heartbreaking letter to drug-addicted parents

    CAT LAKE, ONT. Item No. 9 in the 12-point “memo” to members of the Cat Lake reserve from the children in Grade 6 is as blunt as it is painful.

    “It hurts us and shoomis and kokum (grandpa and grandma) when you’re doing drugs and you’re not at home.”

    Cat Lake is the centre of prescription drug addiction in Canada. Community leaders figure that between 70 and 80 per cent of the adults are hooked on the narcotic pain killers OxyContin or Percocet.

    Governments and local health authorities are slowly gearing up to deal with the runaway addiction that has slammed communities across the country, especially First Nations.

    But the help can’t come quickly enough for the children of Cat Lake in northwestern Ontario 400 kilometres north of Thunder Bay.

    The children put together the list over the course of a few days in a workshop with the help of a local band member.

    They are desperate for ways to end the crisis in their community that triggered waves of theft and left children hungry and bereft of the stability and support they crave.

    Local officials say they collect 500 needles a week through the needle-exchange program from a population of about 700. They have put 172 adults on their list of confirmed addicts, and another 250 are suspected. Almost everyone else is either a child or an elder.

    Oxy, the highly addictive and extremely expensive little pill, has become a way of life here and in many reserves.

    The drug is supposed to be taken for intense pain, by prescription only. It produces an instant high when crushed, snorted or injected, and that high has triggered a massive demand for the drug across the continent. Some of the biggest profits are drawn from some of the poorest people in Canada.

    The narcotic pain killer is no longer being produced. Purdue Pharmaceuticals has pulled it from the shelves, prompting First Nations leaders to warn of a pending crisis of withdrawal for which no one is well-prepared.

    Kicking the addiction, for many, is too punishing to bear.

    Abnormal sleeping patterns, violent shakes, diarrhea, headache and anxiety are common, for days on end. Relapses are frequent.

    The dealers’ stockpiles of the opioid are now dwindling and the price is climbing steeply. Authorities have been bracing for a withdrawal epidemic on reserves.

    A full-strength pill can sell for about $1,000 and a quarter-dose for about $250. When a supply came into the community, users would scour their houses for possessions to sell, hit up their relatives for cash, raid their savings or gamble for cash, said Constable Kyle Brend of the Nishnawbe-Aski Police force in Cat Lake. Lately, there’s been slightly less of the door-to-door scavenging for drug money.

    “You sell a digital camera for $60. You sell a couple of things like that, you have money. It’s getting harder nowadays with the prices.”

    Instead, addicts are looking for other ways to get high.

    Rumours and Internet chatter about how to abuse the new version of Oxycontin — called OxyNEO — abound. Health workers suspect increased usage of cocaine and especially morphine. Brend sees evidence of more booze, even though Cat Lake, like many reserves in the area, is supposed to be dry.

    “Now it seems there’s a lot of drinking to offset what they’re not getting in the pills.”

    The police are cracking down as best they can on contraband. But even though Cat Lake has only one entry point — the airport — now that the winter road has melted, the community has only ever ejected one person for dealing, Brend recalls.

    The pills are easy to hide — in pockets, packages, even inside diapers or the lining of clothing. The entire community knows who is dealing, including the chief, the council and police, but authorities never catch them in the act because they are protected by tightly knit family and friends.

    So instead of focusing on crime and punishment, community leaders focus on healing the addicted and convincing any remaining non-users to stay clean.

    Help on that front is on the way, but ever so slowly, and in small doses. Stopping is far easier said than done.

    The medical treatment, Suboxone, mitigates the horrible withdrawal symptoms. But the recovery program takes weeks and requires health authorities to monitor the patients very closely.

    In Cat Lake, Health Canada and band administrators are scrambling to start a Suboxone program that will combine a land-based recovery. They plan to convert an old building near the band office into a respite where Suboxone can be administered and patients can be monitored closely for a week.

    Then, the recovering addicts will be sent out into the bush, with few supplies except the very basics. For several weeks, under the eye of a health professional, they’ll set up camp, hunt, fish, soak in nature, and — hopefully — conquer their addictions.

    The first intake of three people starts on April 30. The waiting list has 15 names on it. But it should have hundreds, says health director Valerie Spence.

    The Canadian Press

    Memo to Cat Lake

    The Grade 6 students in Cat Lake recently spent a few days compiling a letter to the majority of adults in their community, the majority of whom are addicted to prescription drugs such as OxyContin. This what they wrote:

    Memo to: Members of Cat Lake

    Message from the Youth of Cat Lake

    1. We don’t like when you use needles and give needles to others. You put yourself and others at RiSK!

    2. We get annoyed and we feel scared when you do drugs.

    3. We feel unloved and depressed when you’re not with us.

    4. We feel unhappy and helpless.

    5. We feel that we don’t know what to do to help you stop doing Drug.

    6. We want you to stop because it hurts our family and we don’t like when we’re angry.

    7. We love you, but we don’t like what you are doing to yourself.

    8. STOP NOW! We want you to get help and get better.

    9. It hurts us and shoomis and kokum (grandpa and grandma) when you’re doing drugs and you’re not at home.

    10. If you really love us you will try to stop.

    11. Please go for treatment and get HEALTHY!

    12. It’s what You do that counts. Only you can make the RiGHT CHOICE!

    We need a HAPPY, HEALTHY Community! From Grade 6.


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    I will agree to disagree and there is nothing wrong with differing opinions.

    i do not feel they are wallowing in their victimhood.
    The very choice of the song they sing shows their victimhood. As Carolyn Myss says, it is about using woundology as 'street currency' and trying to use our own power over someone else. We can only give our power away. We can not use our power over someone else unless they allow it. They are actually giving him power by focusing on what he hates and TRYING to use it. In doing so they keep their own wounds open every time they hear or sing that song. The wound is not healing.

    PS If they had chosen a different song perhaps my opinion would change.

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    The song was chosen.. for a reason
    are you saying the reason was wrong?

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    Their choice is their choice and I do not judge it. Just do not choose to give away power and blame someone else. My power is my power. If I give it away, I can only blame myself.


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    just throw the guy in jail.. insane or not .. have him stare at 4 walls with no human contact untill the day he leave this world ..

    in the end an act of terror is to promote the reaction of fear.. these people did not come together out of fear ..

    if your really think a group of 40 thousand people singing a song in defiance of 1 bad guy who killed 77 people .. and is a form of bully and torture of the bad guy ..

    " hey i found my daughter alive and spitting teeth after the bombing..and she hast continuing trauma from the event... but i should feel like signing a song the guy hates is bullying and torture of the guy "

    maybe the world would be a touch better if singing a song could make the family and friends of victims feel better after bad things happen to loved ones ..


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    maybe the world would be a touch better if singing a song could make the family and friends of victims feel better after bad things happen to loved ones ..
    I am going to paraphrase Caroline Myss in order to explain what I am thinking.

    How we invest our energy affects our physiology. By investing energy in negative past experiences, we are attempting to keep a corpse alive because the past is over with. We are draining our energy in an attempt to keep the past alive. You can not use the past to provide a life force for your body. We will literally drain ourselves of our life force by trying to keep the past alive. We, as a society have made it possible to use the language of wounds (woundology) in a very powerful way NOT to heal. This is the flip side of studying the nature of healing and using that knowledge to heal.

    A true story of a Native American that fought in WWII: He was a Navajo Code Talker, a code that was never broken by the Germans. He was captured and endured horrendous torture. He was liberated from a POW camp and was brought back to the US. He was in and out of consciousness for 2 years in a VA hospital. This is what is known as a shaman's journey. When he regained consciousness he could barely walk. He had heavy braces on his legs and he was basically a broken man. He decided to go back to his tribe tell them his story and then return to the VA Hospital and spend the rest of his life there.

    He returned home, crippled, on braces and they hold council , asking him what happened to him.He told his story, without emotion, almost as an observer of everything that had happened. He told of all the horrible things without emotion until he reached one point. He told with emotion of a Nazi forcing maggots and chicken gizzards down his throat while he was too weak to do anything. The tribe had no reactions during all of this. They merely witnessed his story. Afterward they held council because they wanted to help him.

    They took him and tied a rope around his waist and threw him in deep water. He was told to call his spirit (his power) back because no one can live without a spirit. He was a dead man already without his spirit. They stood back. He went through every memory and called back his spirit from each one. He cut the strings to each memory and let it go. When he reached the memory of this man shoving maggots and gizzards down his throat. He is in cold deep water with leg braces on and almost useless legs. He literally sees this Nazi guard standing over him. He spoke to the guard and deep within his soul he said "I forgive you". The image spoke to him and said "I was trying to keep you alive and this was all the food I could find". He instantly got the use of his legs and swam back to shore.

    The truth was not revealed to him until he was able to forgive. His healing began at that moment. This is the true story of David Chethlahe Paladin.

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    Natives have a great "handle" on how to deal with these individual issues.

    They also hold Pow Wow's and use the drum to call people together for many reasons.

    As i said above, i feel they came together to honor their power... not give it away.

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    Signing heals

    Music and sound healing is not a new concept. Cultures throughout the world have used music to empower, energize, heal and soothe the body, mind and spirit since time immemorial. It is no accident that Apollo, the Greek god who is credited as being the father of medicine, is also the father of music and the inventor of the lyre.

    Music and healing are part of each other, and current research is pointing to that more and more. Recent studies have shown that music can slow down and help balance brain waves, reduce tension and stress by affecting endorphin levels, reduce physical tension by changing the vibrational frequency of cells, and even evoke feelings of love and inner peace.

    Of course, if music can slow down your body's rhythms and effect soothing, peace and healing, it can also have the opposite effect. A well-chosen set of music can help energize you and prepare you to work hard and be creative. Studies have also shown that athletes working out and practicing to music use more energy, stretch themselves further and burn more calories than those who work without music.

    There's a great deal of information available now about music and healing. Sound healing, music therapy, and the power of sound to effect changes in the mind, body and spirit are becoming more and more accepted. It's sometimes difficult to tell how much is true and how much is marketing hype.

    I became interested in the healing power of music as a by-product of trying to produce the most beautiful music possible. Years back, Leonard Bernstein invited me to perform as concertmaster in the world premiere his production of Mass. While there, he invited me along to speak with management and producers in the recording industry. I learned from them, to my surprise, that the violin, the instrument that I consider the most beautiful and evocative of any, was not considered by the recording industry to be a marketable sound - that people would not buy recordings that featured the violin.

    That piece of news amazed me. To me, the violin is the most beautiful, evocative and versatile instrument ever created. In the hands of a skilled musician, the violin can gloat, laugh, exult or cry. It can express nearly any emotion that humans can feel in their hearts and souls. I challenged myself then to produce works of music that presented the violin as I know it - the evocative and expressive voice of the soul.

    That was the beginning of my own music label and catalog, LiSem Enterprises. As it grew, I began to hear from those who work in the fields of healing, both the traditional hospitals and doctors' offices, and those working in CAM (complementary and alternative medicine), telling me that they were using my music in their practices, to enhance meditation, focus awareness and evoke emotions.

    Perhaps the most potent, powerful story that I heard was that of a teenage boy diagnosed with schizophrenia who did not speak at all, but who, while listening to my CD Fragrance of a Dream, looked up and said, "This music is so beautiful it breaks your heart."

    Those stories and touches from others led me to begin exploring the world of healing with sound and music, and what I find both amazes me and confirms my own belief that music is one of the most potent healing tools the world has ever possessed. I am still very much a student, a pilgrim on a quest to learn all that I can about the ways that different tones, vibrations and sounds can affect the body and attune with the emotions and the spiritual. It is a wonderful journey, and one that I intend to share with as many people as I can. As a beginning of that sharing, here are some things that I have learned, and that I believe about how music helps to heal and regenerate the body.

    1. Your body will heal itself if you give it the right tools. I believe that some music can help your body to heal by helping it to realign its balance. At the same time, it is far too early in the research for anyone to tell you which musical selections will heal a specific medical condition. I would be irresponsible if I recommended that music replace other more traditional forms of healing and therapy. Music is a complementary way to give your body the tools that it needs to help itself heal.

    2. One of the most important and effective things that you can do for your body is to help it relax into a meditative state. There is a great deal of research to support that a state of meditative calm inspires your body and your mind to renew itself.

    3. Sound is one of the best tools for inspiring the meditative state in which your body is receptive to healing and renewal - but it is important to choose your music carefully. Some music - classical music in particular - seems to go there instinctively, but most music was not designed to relax you.

    We are barely beginning to understand the ways that music affects us and effects healing in us. The research is exciting and ongoing, and I spend a great deal of time working with different bodies of healers in various fields to aid this research in all the ways that I can.

    I incorporate what I have learned into the production of the titles and arrangements chosen for every new LiSem Catalog release in the hopes that this wonderful gift that I was given, the gift of making music, can become a gift to others - one that helps heal and refresh and renew, and in the process becomes part of a positive change in the world.


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    explains what music does physiologicaly to our brains

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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    As i said above, i feel they came together to honor their power... not give it away.
    They have chosen to replace the happy memories of loved ones with the memory of hate. In doing so they give away their power.


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    Re: The People sing: Thousands sing song Breivik hates

    Well, here's about my bottom line on this subject. I think every point of view expressed here on this subject is valid, and well thought out. We're all looking at the same same thing, and seeing it through the lens of our various experiences. No two or more people are ever going to agree on everything, and that's o.k.

    I know we all mean well, and deeply desire to leave a different world for those who come after us. That's the important thing, and we can certainly deal with our petty differences along the way.

    Cheers All,
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