Conversations With My Brother on Another Planet

[BeYonder]

[QUOTE--- Originally Posted by VajraYaya|
"It's gonna take someone WAAAYYY more sophisticated and developed than YOU to take hold at this place.."(end of quote)

wow, if this is the real goal of posters at this forum, i can understand why many left !!!

[flower]

People are not talking

everyone thinks they are right

back channel assumptions and whispers

Lack of empathy and trust

these are the reasons people left..and the reasons why ppl attack others here


but i see your point beyonder..

sometimes i feel the need to help.. or add my own thoughts ...maybe help get this train back on track... but everytime anyone here, lifts their head up... the snakes and sharks attack..

so im staying under my rock ..

[flower]

We have been sufficiently subdued..

[BeYonder]

well, i am NOT staying under my rock

- first, TOM came here, and, was polite, and, told you who he was
and, he posed, ONLY to one thread
that is one thread, out of literally 5000 to 10,000 threads ?
that sure doesn't sound like taking over, to me !

[flower]

oh dont get me wrong beyonder...

i am not a beliver in chaneling ..but i do belive in civility.


something of which is lacking these days

[BeYonder]

maybe, a good thing to do, is to ask questions

no doubt, Tom is quite generous in his sharings !

maybe, there is an answer as to what truly happened
from beginning to end, of this great group of people
that just keeps splitting up !!!

[flower]

i have been asking questions.. making mistakes.. picking my self up.. ducting myself off..trying my best...

and i have been vilified.

i'm not surpised tom is going down that same road..

anyone here.. who opens their heart usualy gets laughed at or worse in the end.

Only thing that will help this family.. is if everyone realised that maybe.. just maybe.. they are wrong...and that being right, is not worth sacrificing happiness for

So what id tom is talking to an illusion...

atleast he is talking.. questioning.. investigating his own life

what if we are wrong..and he actualy IS channeling?

sigh...beyonder.. i am slowly loosing the last drops of hope in my heart

[BeYonder]

Question: is there any technique or way in which you operate,
when you bring in this information, that allows you to create a 'safe space' ?
(dick stuphen - was a very well known teacher, back in the late 70's and 80's - and, beyond)

[BeYonder]

don't feel that way
instead, look at this as an opportunity to expand your heart
this is a time in history, unlike any other
many strong souls here at the same time
of course, they are going to fight - fighting to most of us, is 'the norm'
being at peace, is something, most of us - wish for, however, it isn't something we easily attain
trying to take off the nooses that others have tossed upon us,
over and over again - is going to be hard work, to break free of it

you come into life - through the meeting of a powerful sperm and, a powerful egg
and, you sit in the first element - your mothers water, for 9 months
then, you travel in, through a birth channel

when your spirit travels out, it also goes through a channel

right now, everyone is physically incarnated,
however, at the same time,
we are all, also spirits that can roam
-ironically through channels

---------- Post added at 13:11 ---------- Previous post was at 13:10 ----------

whenever you sit down to write something
you engage your mind
some also engage their heart
and, then work with both the heart, and, the mind
-if everything is interconnected,
then there has to be some kind of common channels

[Tom3344]

Well, you don't discuss anything intellectually either, all you do is post fantasy generated by your own ego.

You don't yet seem to understand how that works. It is a very well known pitfall of meditation that people and teachers have been documenting for centuries, that if you are 'getting' information during meditation, especially during earlier stages, it is your own ego tricking you, working to distract you from what it rightly perceives as it's own dissolution and thus stop further progression toward non-dual or other high level experience. You haven't yet learned to tell the difference between ego trick and genuine, authentic spiritual state and experience. What you are experiencing buddy is narcissism.

Of course everybody's ego presentations are different. You, having immediately identified yourself as a published author, a columnist and a motion picture distributor, which in itself indicates the possibility of being an aspiring or failed screenwriter, you have indicated that you have a creative imagination.

You may be one of a vast number of three letter operatives assigned to fill the alt-media sphere with further dependence generating disinformation that appeals to people tired of one form of child level spirituality, such as Christianity and other mythic level religions, where they need to worship an old man in the sky, and ripe to trade it in to worship another kind of man in the sky who will promise to come and save you from yourself but this time while you are alive instead of when you are dead. It is not a spiritual progression but a lateral spiritual translation.

You may also be a targeted individual, given your military history you may have been identified by a group that has technology to place voices, visions or other forms of hallucination in your head, to put you on this trajectory thus using you as a kind of zombie to carry out certain tasks or write certain books. That technology has been well established to exist.

But you also may be just another one of those people described above; believing in the distractions your ego has thrown in your way and becoming overly identified with them, building up elaborate fantasies of self importance, maybe to compensate for neglect by a parent or some social awkwardness or sense of loneliness.

One hallmark of the many people like you is your desperate need for 'specialness'. To be seen as the special emissary with special information for mankind from some special entity or group that only you have been blessed to have access to. Typically people like you build up elaborate stories to uphold their greatness, like you do. Hey, you had a million followers back in the days of Atlantis, not simply ten in Kerala. Of course there are never stories of being some simple laborer or slave in Mesopotamia, nope, gotta be important. Hell I used to know a woman who was the whale queen of BOTH Atlantises [Atlantii??] Yup, she was so special she created a second one for her to rule over and made up twenty letter Names for herself and her characters containing a lot of Zs and Ys.

People like you ignore the obvious problems your fantasies end up creating. You all tell the same kind of mythic stories populated with the same kinds of characters and beings. You just give them different names. And so many of you have competing scenarios. [I've seen people like you actually fight with each other over who is right or more important, it is really funny to witness] I'm sure you have an idea of just how many 'special' people are the chosen emissaries of some being or federation. Why should anybody believe that YOUR stories are more 'special' or truer than the next guys? Of course you conveniently dismiss that HUGE elephant in the room by saying stuff like; "just take what resonates with your truth". So which guy who channels or communicates with ETs, federations or entities is telling the RIGHT story? Is it the guy whose people's ships are arriving at the end of this year? It is the woman whose people's ships were supposed to arrive back in January and send limos to pick a chosen 300 people for rides in those ships? Why should anyone believe ANYTHING you say over someone else who communicates with Ashtar, Metatron, Melchizedek? What makes you so special over all those other special people?

But, you could also be simply a guy who needed to create another job and income stream for yourself. You see the sheer number of desperate suckers that eat this shit up so why not make your own stuff. In that case it really is all about the money. We have seen a lot of that happen in the alt media.

There used to be a larger number of people here who can see through the crap you peddle, but most of them have left. So you have taken the opportunity to arrive at a weakened forum and take advantage of the situation. One of those people that ARE still here [and will be back in a week] is Reaver, who you promptly dismissed as just an immature kid. you have no idea what your getting into pal. Reaver knows what you are about WAY better than you do. He knows you better than you know yourself. You are easy to see through.

The problem Tom is that you won't find an audience here. Well maybe one or two. One is obviously over their pathological obsession with the Cult of Thuban [another one of your people..] and is looking for a new Saviour to glom onto that will tell them they are special while they sit at your feet, looking at you with the adoration you crave. If you keep posting your creative ET writing, your posts and threads will be lumped together and dumped in a section where you will share the company of many others like you who have tried to do what you are doing. Either the GFL thread or in the debunked section.

You will however find a much more receptive audience over at Avalon where there are many people desperate for the next guru to come along and give their lives meaning and who have money to buy your books. They'll quickly lap up the kool-aid you serve. So head on over there and start pouring. It's gonna take someone WAAAYYY more sophisticated and developed than YOU to take hold at this place..

Gosh, there is a lot of angst on this forum. At least I appreciate a place to begin.

I did not mention what else I was told the first time I communicated (you can call it telepathic if that helps you accept it more easily) with the Indian Shaman Reveals the Mysteries. He said I was to write "books" and I said, "Books! but I'm just a business kind of guy that rediscovered requesting MBO's." He said, "Yes, books." I was expecting to continue in my international film and TV program distribution business until I decided to retire, as I had been in the business over 20 years at that time and had built up a large library of movies and TV series that now I've put up for sale in order to have more time to write, do radio interviews, and speak. I was a VERY RELUCTANT author, but I got busy and knocked out the first book in three months. The name of the book is THE GENTLE WAY: A Self-Help Guide for Those Who Believe in Angels, which you can find on Amazon.com and has mostly 5 star reviews.

So actually this part of my writing is a small part of what I actually do regarding answering emails with questions from all over the world from people learning how to use this amazingly simple, yet very powerful spiritual tool in their lives. They send me questions to ask my GA Theo, plus others like Gaia, soul of the Earth and others. ALL my newsletters are archived on my website at www.TheGentleWayBook.com where you can read my hits and misses--I don't bury anything. And I don't charge for these newsletters. I do it out of my passion after being told what my soul contract is for the rest of my life.

But when your own Guardian Angel introduces you to one of your own soul "cluster" members, then you know there is a good reason for it. So I am simply following that part of the path to what I'm told will be a meeting with Antura in 2017. In the meantime I'm asking question after question as you'll see as we go along, and receiving answers that I know have never appeared anywhere before because I haven't ever seen anything on the subjects I ask about. And I guarantee I'm not that creative to make all this stuff up. I'm just a normal business guy who was drafted to do this work, whether you believe that or not.

There's going to be no "saving by the man in the sky" or ships coming to get the top 300 or BS like that. On the contrary, even after first public contact they will only "spoon feed" us little bits of information; as part of the "earth experiment" as it's called is for us to reinvent the wheel and find better ways of doing things than societies that have a couple of million years of development (or more) on us have come up with.

You're making suppositions perhaps because of others that have come to this forum before. Well I'm a different breed of cat. I'm considered just a regular guy by all my friends, and the ones that are quite religious will not discuss my work at all, as they are fundamentalists (keep in mind I live in Texas), so we normally discuss sports and movies where they feel comfortable.

Since I have no idea why the forum is "weakened" as you say it is, I can't respond to accusations that I came along to fill the void as it were. I came here because one of my readers quite sometime ago posted something I had written, but I can't recall what. When I looked around for a place to post this information, it seemed like a good place.

So I'll just carry on and if you don't wish to read these posts, I'm not twisting your arm. I'm sure you can spend your valuable time elsewhere, as there are many threads on this forum to choose.

[Tom3344]

Question: is there any technique or way in which you operate,
when you bring in this information, that allows you to create a 'safe space' ?
(dick stuphen - was a very well known teacher, back in the late 70's and 80's - and, beyond)

Good question. When I meditate, I first request a Most Benevolent Outcome out loud before I begin to receive the messages PERFECTLY. This immediately involves my own GA who protects me. But as I was taught many years ago by Dick Sutphen, I always surround myself with white light and then demand to only communicate with those at a higher vibrational level than I am, or the same vibrational level as I am. Then I send white light to all lower level entities and encourage them to go to their own GA's.

Naturally this will sound weird to those who have never done meditations before, but if you are interested in doing the same thing I do, then go to www.dicksutphen.com and buy his SPIRIT GUIDES CD ($20 or so) which will guide you down to a level to ask questions. I don't make a dime from recommending him, although I might make brownie points as I've been a guest on his radio show on Contact Talk Radio 7 times so far over the past 3 or 4 years.

When I do a workshop, I do a guided meditation so that anyone can learn how to do exactly what I'm doing. This is no "great secret" process. Theo tells me I'm to encourage everyone to do this as it will become common practice after we bridge over to the 5th focus.

[BeYonder]

NOT ALL channeling is good channeling - some people allow in spirits, that are NOT in their highest good
and, get tricked into thinking they are talking directly to god , etc.,
- i am sure everyone struggles with the need to fit in, be part of a group, or be special,
although, i am positive, it is more about the uniqueness of each and everyone of us,
and, how it is, that we all fit back together again, that is more important to explore.

---------- Post added at 14:01 ---------- Previous post was at 13:57 ----------

-this was typed and sent, b4 reading your above post

i'm glad you utilize some of dick's techniques, he is a very smart man

[Tom3344]

This is from my January 3, 2009 newsletter:

July 12, 2008
Good morning to you Anturara.

Speaking of mornings, since you live under the sea, how long is your day or the time period you are awake and working and so on, or do you sleep?

Yes, a good series of questions Tom. I’ll take the last one, yes. We do sleep. Not as much as an earth human, as we do not need to, but yes we do sleep and do dream, which as you’ve asked before, most beings in the universe do dream.

Our days would be considered long to you—20 hours or more would be the equivalent. As these days we’ll call them are not so stressful on earth, we are able to be awake and work and play and study and so forth for longer periods of time.

Is your recreation swimming, or do you have other physical activities?

Yes, we obviously do love to swim Tom and that is our recreation.

So you don’t have games as we do, or do you?

No we do not. That will be one of the things you’ll probably introduce us to – you meaning humans when you start visiting all your neighbors, uncles and aunts, so to speak.

Are you in a long term relationship with your mate, or do your periodically change mates?

Yes we do periodically change our mates as we grow or through stages of our lives. We all remain friends and children are always welcome in our dwellings with the new mates. This is, after all, a much easier existence with not the great turmoil encountered in earth lives. A big happy family, for the most part.

How many people live on your planet?

No more than 60 million Tom. That is a nice number, which gives everyone plenty of space.

Do you take your children and mate to other planets with you, including new ones you are contacting for the first time?

No, not the ones we are just contacting, as this can take much time. Yes, they have gone with me to neighboring planets to see other cultures, just like you take vacations on earth.

How is contact made with other planets?

Good question Tom. Normally we seek out the leaders of a planet after careful study from afar, or at least where they are not able to see us and be concerned. This might also be a joint mission with beings from other planets, as we work closely with a number of other planets or societies in this federation of planets, in which we’re a member. So persons are chosen that would most relate to the society we are wishing to contact to introduce ourselves so that there is no concern by those we contact that we are there for anything but a peaceful, fruitful contact where we can offer them things that can be used by a less developed society. Naturally this is done when we feel they have reached the stage we can contact them where it will be beneficial for all parties. Of course, this is coming for you soon Tom, and you’ll get to see the process first hand.

[alienHunter]

it's not that big of deal...people that want to listen...listen, people that don't..don't...people that want to believe...believe, people that don't...don't. People that want to complain...complain, people that can't work up the energy or don't care to take it to that level...don't take it to that level. Nothing has changed in my world.

For me, my thought is that even if what is posted is the product of imagination, we have to concede imagination has done great things for the progression of humankind...but, of course, at other times imaginings are just crazy. As in most things, I don't feel qualified to make that kind of judgment. One thing I truly believe however is, paraphrasing the quote, "The Universe is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine!"

At any rate, in the worst case, it is not the kind of dysfunction that bothers me at all.

i have been asking questions.. making mistakes.. picking my self up.. ducting myself off..trying my best...

and i have been vilified.

i'm not surpised tom is going down that same road..

anyone here.. who opens their heart usualy gets laughed at or worse in the end.

Only thing that will help this family.. is if everyone realised that maybe.. just maybe.. they are wrong...and that being right, is not worth sacrificing happiness for

So what id tom is talking to an illusion...

atleast he is talking.. questioning.. investigating his own life

what if we are wrong..and he actualy IS channeling?

sigh...beyonder.. i am slowly loosing the last drops of hope in my heart

[Gardener]

I rest my case, bolded type, increased size of font, more me me me. Come on!

Disengage from this rubish.

[pod]

Tom,

This nonsense has gone on long enough. The last 5-10 yrs at least, is riddled with this same grandstanding approach. Those that find a board (forum) to post their offerings, like yours, in a grandstanding fashion based on (imo) delusional fancyful nonsense, is frankly "taking the piss".

I have seen this more times than I wish to admit, posters like you, who have no other interest in the forum other than your delusional and quite probably "on purpose" demeanor and a possible attempt to herd the gullible towards your agenda...imo.

I suggest you take leave from this forum, or participate in topics that are not based on your agenda.

Forgive me for not giving an apology to those who may feel offended by my remarks, but I will say, I felt it necessary to spell it out.

[M@e 311]

If Tom would like to participate in other threads, and have some input into the community besides 'conversations' with other worldy beings, then I am more than happy to have him around.

Though, if it does turn out to be a self promotion tool, then I would either suggest a new sub-forum as previous requested, or a possible consideration of departure to another forum where other like minded peopel may roam.

M@

[noxon]

..
-

Alternative community
alternative reality

does it exist
maybe multiple

and one is called
- fiction.

of many possible alternative
realities

thank you, Tom, for your story,

for me it does not matter how
it was conceived by you, or
why you choose to make it
public here, on nexus forum
( "alternative community" ..).

I can enjoy it like it is presented

Thanks to nexus for an ...
interesting thread and topic.

be well



nm

PS.
You are the OP of this thread
and thereby have some power
and saying (more) on this thread

PPS.
I allways interpreted OP
for Opening Poster .
Anyone know what it
realy means ?

..
-

[gratitudeandlove]

Do not try to develop what is natural to man; instead, develop what is natural to Heaven. He who develops Heaven benefits life; he who develops man injures life.

Do not reject what is of Heaven, do not neglect what is of man, and the people will be close to the attainment of Truth.

Chung Tzu

[flower]

Anyone know what it
realy means ?

you have it almost right

opening post= OP

[Tom3344]

Lots of activity and comments since I turned off the computer last night. Thanks. My wife, son, and I went to a press screening last night for MIB III. Highly recommended as it is as good or better than MIB I. Lots of fun. At least they portray aliens both as nasties for the story's antagonist and good, funny, and kind aliens for the protagonist Will Smith to interact with. Naturally part of the story line was that the earth was going to be destroyed. One thing I had never thought of that Antura pointed out to me-- During the real Star Wars that occurred a couple of million years or more ago, the Reptilians were so nasty that they would not just blow up a planet, they would blow up the sun, thereby destroying all the planets in a particular star system, killing billions of beings. Antura said this went on for several thousand universal years, which are different from earth years. We're on a time loop where time is speeded up.

This is from my January 9, 2009 newsletter:

July 15, 2008
Anturara—How many people live in your city?

Actually less than one million Tom. I know you thought perhaps it would be even smaller than that in your perception, but we have a fairly large city that was built over a very long period of time and expanded many times as you can guess.

So would there be more than 750,000 people there?

Yes.

But less than one million?

Yes, but slightly less.

What type of transportation do you use within the city?

Here it will be a little difficult to describe for you Tom. We do have people movers shall we say, but totally different than your people movers. It’s as if we float on air, but in reality we use a form of magnetics that propels us across the city.

Do they ever breakdown and suddenly you can’t float?

No. These devices almost never malfunction Tom.

Have I had previous lives on this planet, and if so, why this particular planet?

The answer is yes to your first question. You have had a number of lives on this planet over the ages. You had lives here before your earth lives, so you can imagine how far back in your time terms this would be.

Why so many?

Your or our soul group was attracted to this creation millions of years ago and started having lives here. It’s the same attraction that causes a soul to want to have a life anywhere in this universe. They are attracted to what they can learn and how they will learn it.

How long has your race been in existence?

Longer than you can imagine Tom. Millions and millions of years.

How many children do you have?

Two children, Tom.

Male and female of two of the same gender?

Two males you would say Tom.

How are they schooled and for how long?

Yes our school system is totally different than anything in your concept Tom. We have pods for learning and they spend time inside the ca psules and learn at a very rapid rate as the information is fed directly into their brains, according to what interests they have that are determined by what we will call their DNA profile.

How long has your race been able to travel to other planets?

Millions of years Tom.

That’s the same for the stars?

That was a little different, but not by too much. We experienced a rapid development in that area.

Was it because you were visited by other cultures?

Yes, they were ahead of us in development Tom, so that greatly sped up our development too.

How many planets are you in contact with as a planetary society now?

Plenty Tom. Well over 200 at this time.

How many planets are you aware of in the universe, which are inhabited by intelligent beings?

We are aware of many thousands Tom. Some wish to be left strictly by themselves.

How many are in the Federation that you spoke of before?

About that 200 number Tom. You can imagine the wide variety of intelligent life that belongs to this Federation.

Will we join this Federation in the future?

Yes, we think so Tom, as a number of the members consider themselves as part of your forefathers.

How many of the planets in the universe are you aware of that have humanoids?

Good question again—probably on the order of over 50% Tom. That’s a best guess right now we’ll say.

[Tom3344]

This was in the January 17, 2009 newsletter:

July 17, 2008

This was not on the list, but since your days are not the same as mine, do you communicate with me at different times of the day for you, or are you able to be at the same time and simply work through the veil somehow, or do you do all of these one after another?

Good question Tom. Yes I do meditate as you call it at different times in order to communicate with you. This is very important for not only you but for me and for my people that we establish contact and have more people know us so that there will not be such fear of us since we are more different in appearance than the Pleiadians let’s say. Knowledge overcomes initial fear. Hopefully by the time I arrive everyone will have much information about my planet and society. That’s of course where you come in Tom. That’s part of your job or life purpose is to open up these communications with me, and perhaps one or two others along the way. So to answer your question again I do these meditations or communications with you at different times, knowing a little in advance as to when they will take place.

OK. Why are there so few planets in the Federation. It would seem to me that it should be much larger if you’ve had millions of years.

Yes, it would see that way on the surface Tom, but in actuality this group of planets have many things in common between them. Our interests are basically the same, as compared to perhaps other planets. We are also geographically close to each other and this helps foster trade and the exchange of ideas, and can act as protection in case, as was in the past but not now at the present, any threat to our security and ability to live life in a peaceful manner. Obviously in millions of years you will have conflicts, so as you’ll someday see maps of the locations of these planets, they are in shall we say the same quadrant of the galaxy.

Are these planets just in the Milky Way galaxy as we call it?

Yes, you’re correct in that supposition Tom.

You have stated that the purpose of the Federation is security and trade. Any other purpose?

Yes, naturally there is a constant exchange of ideas and scientific development. Trade is also important because some planets are awash in certain elements that other planets have none of and vice versa, so there is a lively barter exchange of elements and of course goods. We are a pretty happy family of planets Tom, although not without our own disagreements. Most of the time everything runs smoothly.

Have you ever visited another universe created by another creator?

Oh yes, Tom. Several times. It is not that hard after you reach our level of progress.

What was the purpose—study?

Yes, for the most part we wanted to see how other universes were created and for what purpose.

So these universes are not those far galaxies we see with the use of powerful telescopes are they?

Actually yes in a way Tom. That’s something for another discussion I think.

Will you contact other governments or just individuals when you come here?

Yes there will be governmental contact by those of us that specialize in that type of contact. Everyone has a specialty and mine is with individuals that can influence and assist us in becoming your good neighbor if you will. Again it’s passing on and explaining who we are and that we are a peaceful society.

When do you think you’ll be coming after I understand 2015?

Yes not too long after that—certainly within the next two to three years Tom from that date. You are progressing at a much faster rate than was anticipated, which is fantastic. We are very proud and amazed at how fast you are progressing, although it does not appear that way to you in your daily lives.

What will you be allowed to present to us or tell us or show us?

Just the basics shall we say Tom. We do not want to overload your people with knowledge of our scientific achievements as that would create fear and a feeling of being less worthy and we do not want you to feel that way. You are very important to this whole universe, so you must be made to feel that way and understand what you will give to all of us. You are very unique in the universe and we’re thrilled that we will be able to make contact with you soon.

How long will you stay on earth?

Not too long the first time. Times will be set up for further contact and for your scientists to visit and so on. It is very complex and we are going to be very patient, as we’ve done this many times in the past.

I assume you have some advanced device that will allow you to not have to wear a spacesuit here, or are you an oxygen breather?

We do have devices Tom that allow us to be present in almost any atmosphere that you could imagine.

[Heretic]

From my folder of posts written that never made it to public view - just another meaningless perspective:

Life is a road all sentient beings travel, with the wide straights and the narrow niches, with ups and downs, including blind curves and slow winding roads. Those with a desire to learn and grow, who seek to understand, are on a path of a different type while traveling this road; a simultaneous journey for those not content with just existing day to day seeking self gratification in the mundane.

These paths are many, from the intellectual, secular, philosophical, spiritual, carnal and even the absurd; all of them an attempt to attain some form of enlightenment. Enlightenment is simply a holistic understanding of a given situation. To seek the next revelation which grants a deeper insight enough to progress forward, the next step. To evolve.

Paradoxically none of these paths lead to any form of ultimate truth, as this was merely a mirage which drew the student to travel a given path, the desire to understand something they felt they lacked. In the end the human mind just “turns on, tunes in, and just...gets it” at any point along the path and transcends that path finally communing with the unknowable, that which cannot be shared or uttered, only realized.

If it could be externalized and shared instead of wispy fragments of introspection through observation, then there would be no paths and thus no argument, it would be self evident for all...Unitarian agreement. No reason or purpose left but for the new unknowable discovered after the fact.

Therefore every path out there is flawed, every one of them a false trail that grants the mind every opportunity to transcend it every step of the way; none of which can be forced or indoctrinated even through example; all of it dogmatic rhetoric written by those who do not yet understand its transcended form, or by the first traveler of that path documenting their steps but for that last transcending step made. Impossible.

This last step cannot be documented. That final truth absent from every school of thought, leaving it open for interpretation, corruption, and debate. The fuel of duality.

Thus such profound statements are born from this recognition reflecting that the truth is within us all. Seek within and not without. Since we are all unique, so is each truth, each based on a unique premise of individual experience.

Therefore these paths all seem to travel in different and even contradictory directions, each with an inherit diagnosis that all other paths are false or flawed and indeed they are, as is the one we are each on. Yet the path IS the destination....and that path no longer has any meaning once you have arrived.

Great truths can be found in paradox, and each are as meaningless as the next. Enlightenment can be gained by any means from the profound writings of masters past, to the mating habits of the common fruit fly - it is the witness that takes that final step and is not due to the stimuli that promotes it, any stimuli will do.

so in essence I agree with all of you in this thread to a degree, as well as disagree when I become mired in the right and wrongs, the good and evil of events that require judgement. I am a rotten judge (but for my own path) and no doubt these words will naturally be someone's treasure as well as someone Else's garbage, and rightly so. Just as Toms words here are inspiring and curious to some while an affront and a crime to others, also rightly so.

good and evil are thought constructs born from what impedes or assists on a given path someone walks, yet from the non dualistic viewpoint it is simply the nature of things and is reflected all around us in the jungle of human existence where the tiger is a brutal enemy to the prey who is victimized by its hunger and needs

yet it manages to create a strange symbiosis that puzzles the onlooker, the harmony of nature

if you were more kind to your stimuli which comes in all forms of nature, you may find that those who only read here may actually lose the fear of the judgement and condemnations of others to post more, thus more stimuli

but in the end it is all meaningless and subjective anyways, as today's truths are tomorrows mistakes, do as you will and godspeed. It is all just data/stimuli that is undefined until a premise is applied that grants a truth to be born

judgement is stagnation IMHO



be your own Sufi, or you will end up being a mere citizen of someone Else's illusion instead of your own, both of them equal paths that can be transcended at will and all things said is the stimuli that can inspire such transcendence

my two cents

[Tom3344]

If Tom would like to participate in other threads, and have some input into the community besides 'conversations' with other worldy beings, then I am more than happy to have him around.

Though, if it does turn out to be a self promotion tool, then I would either suggest a new sub-forum as previous requested, or a possible consideration of departure to another forum where other like minded peopel may roam.

M@

Moe, I realize it may sound easy to some people to jump around and make postings on threads, but I'm really like the proverbial one-armed paperhanger, as I try and juggle my "day job" and writing. Besides today negotiating on a sale of 500 movies to the Middle East, I'm working on my 12 page weekly newsletter (still have 3 pages to go), answering a ton of emails (I'm falling behind on those and hope to catch up this weekend) and posting here and on another forum that is not about Antura, plus posting on Facebook on both my page and my book page. My friend Brad Steiger, the author of 168 books, has asked me to write a chapter on Antura for a new book he's working on and in two weeks I've only gotten about half of it written. You can read more about him at www.bradandsherry.com/.

So I cram it in as best I can. I have a long way to go on this thread.

[Tom3344]

This is for Beyonder who asked abut RH negative blood, although I can't find his post to quote.

Here is what I received:

Antura why can’t RH negative blood be cloned? Was this from the original experiment or what?

RH negative blood is in a way the original blood used, but you just have not found out how it can be cloned or duplicated yet. It is a mystery to you, and will cause your researchers to study the differences in its DNA makeup to other blood types.