Time Traveler from 1890

[KristenAnn]

This story is Amazing! To see the images of the man in his period clothing, here's the link: http://cow-flipper.hubpages.com/hub/...-Time-Traveler

My first thought was that I wondered if there's a tie-in with the Montauk experiments. They've been known to do some amazing travel -- both time travel as well as travel to other planets. The thought crossed my mind, wondering if possibly their mechanisms or coordinates could have mistakenly targeted this man.

Kristen

The Unexpected Journey of Rudolf Fenz Senior Time Traveler

From 1876 to 1950 in a Second
By: Cow Flipper

It was 1876 when Rudolf Fenz, Senior, disappeared during his daily walk. His family and friends launched an investigation to locate the missing thirty one year old family man but they never did find him. It wasn't until 74 years into the future in 1950 Manhattan,New York that Mr. Rudolf Fenz. Senior would pop up again and make headlines, but this time not for his disappearance but his amazing reappearance and tragic death. Now Mr. Fenz was not 105 years old when he died. He had not gone into hiding and then reappeared on the scene after a life-time in hiding. No Mr. Fenz ended up in the middle of a very heavily traveled Fifth Avenue in downtown Manhattan where he was instantly struck down by a motorist. He had rematerialized out of thin air and very suddenly his life ended on a June day some 50 years after he had gone missing.

The police searched the man that had been hit and found a leather billfold with U.S. Banknotes from the 1870's and earlier coins long out of circulation and still retaining mint luster, and calling cards with the name Rudolph Fenz Sr. inscribed on them. He was wearing a wide-brimmed hat, a black coat, trousers and shoes that fastened with 19th Century style buckles. He looked to be in his early thirties. Of course you may be saying to yourself, "Yeah but this could just be a big mistake." but the police also found a receipt for the boarding of his horses and of a carriage that were among the man?s effects.

Who The Heck Is He?

Officers were unable to find out anymore information on the mysterious man. With no next of kin the case was handed over to the missing person's investigators. Officer Hubert Rihn, used his resources at the Missing Persons Bureau and contacted counterparts in Europe including Austria and Germany to find any relatives of the victim. At first Rihn was unable to learn any information.

A Strange Turn of Events!

Rihn took a stab in the dark and obtained a copy of the old New York City phone directory from 1939 where he found a man with the same name as the victim, Rudolf Fenz, Jr.; after which Rihn tracked down an elderly woman who claimed to be the widow of Rudolh Fenz, Jr.. Rihn then learned that Rudolf Fenz, Sr. was indeed the woman's father-in-law. Her husband was only four years old when his father disappeared and that the family had searched in vein to find him. Rihn then dug deeper into the 19th century archives of missing persons and discovered a record of Rudolf Fenz, Sr. as an unsolved missing person case. With the file on the man was a photograph which matched exactly the face of the victim that was struck down in the accident.

So what is it that happened here? Is it really possible that this man from the 1800s was actually whisked into the future only to end up the victim of an auto accident? Believe it or not this is not the first case like the Moberly-Jourdain Incident. I look forward to hearing from readers.

For more on Time Travel please also see...

The Time Travel Story of Hakan Nordkvist By: Cow Flipper

Time Slip /Travel Paranormal Experience By: Alastar Packer

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[Dorok]

fentz.jpg

http://books.google.com/books?id=yvi...Scared&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Fentz

That story was old when the internet was young!

[JulietsBleedingToo]

Well, the H?kan Nordkvist story is a swedish commercial for future savings. I do not think this particular ad ever run,but similar.

However, time travel is the thing I am most excited about. To investigate. Wouldn?t it be wonderful if something like that exists!

[KristenAnn]

Yes, It's such an intriguing concept. I've met some of the original remote viewers who trained for the military in the 70s. They've all become very "new age" and spiritual because they've seen so many deeper levels to existence etc. Some knew about top secret time travel experiments. They had done alot of that, as I said, at Montauk. The original remote viewers I've met are not the type of people who would make things up. I really believe that it's been done in certain top secret circles. It was the Montauk experiments -- devised by top scientists from around the world -- that was responsible for the Philadelphia Experiment where a ship became invisible and the brothers who jumped overboard were shot into the future. The scientists somehow knew where and when to meet them in the future.

When I met Bob Dean at the UFO Congress in Feb. he talked of an "elevator"-like room that people would enter to travel both to different times and also to different planets such as the Moon and Mars.

[Dorok]

On time/space travel in general (and why the story as written in the OP could never happen:

The common view is that time/space and space/time are two complimentary 3D constructs. Very simplified, space/time is what we are used to as 'consensus reality', and 'movement' in this construct is done in space in an interval of time. In time/space, it's the opposite, and 'movement' in this construct is done in time in an interval of space.

Now keep in mind that the planet we are on is spinning on an axis, orbiting a star 93M miles away which is orbiting another solar system lightyears away.

Thus, if one were to 'time travel' from 1876 to whenever, one would move in time over a 'duration' of space. So, in the story, let's say that the time 'moved' from 1876 to 1950 was accomplished in the duration of one footstep. If you were using cosmic coordinates rather than Earth's coordinates, that footstep would have traveled 2 feet and 74 years; in the meantime, the Earth would be nowhere nearby!

Any time travel story that does not include a space travel component is inherently flawed. <- Use this to discern who isn't telling the truth = BSmeter upgrade.

[KristenAnn]

Hi Dorok. Evidently those genius scientists who worked on the mechanisms at Montauk were well aware of this. And I thought of the name -- it was the Cameron brothers who had jumped overboard during the Philadelphia Experiment and were transferred into the future. Yes, it DOES sound way "out there" and rationally unlikely. But it helps in life to keep an open mind. There are some very surprising things that have and will be happening both before and in our lifetimes.

I'd recommend the books on the Philadelphia Experiment for one.

[Dorok]

Those weren't genius scientists at Montuak, those were hacks appropriating technology too big for them. Who knows what really happened there, but there are no corroborating stories from which I can draw any strong inferences.

I have a very open mind, but blatant untruths are stopped at the threshold.

[KristenAnn]

I think there were some very prominent scientists consulted and/or working directly with the Montauk programs. They sought the best. You're welcome to your own opinion, but my findings as well as the people I've spoken to who've been privy to it have confirmed otherwise.

Take care!
K

[Dorok]

Please share what evidence you have. And please don't tell me that I'm welcome to my own opinion; that's already known and proven beyond a doubt. You'll notice from my language that I'm very careful to state opinions in terms that do not imply certainty, and I state facts to the degree of accuracy that I can. So, when I hear someone say that they 'know' something or have their own 'findings', I'm very skeptical. If you would like to present your evidence, I'm sure many people here would like to hear it, but what you are claiming above is stated so vaguely as to be near meaningless.

[BeYonder]

Curious, as to how many people currently posting to this thread
have had have experiences, where they have:
1) walked between worlds
2) fly in their dreams ~ alone, or with something else, maybe a golden retriever dog, or, a winged being
3) fallen in their dreams, but awaken b4 hitting the ground
4) have lucid dreams, they remember very clearly
5) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, can actually change & alter them
6) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, they are a student / learning in the dream
7) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, they are a teacher / sharing to others in a dream
8) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, have 'files' transferring into their head
(one of note, that i remember, was similar to 'the winged file' that flys on your computer screen, when a file is transferring
9) awaken very refreshed, and, seem to know things, they didn't know, b4 they went to bed and, entered the dream-worlds
10) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, a sign, much like a 'stock trading sign' that shows changes in prices,
is actually running inside their head, and, they can read it
(if so, was the colour of the sign, burgundy - a red/purple type of mix, with a blackish background?)
i'm sure others can add, to the list
it might be interesting to explore experiences
~after_all, if a person doesn't have any 'real' experience, they have actually lived through,
how on earth, could you just take someone elses experience, and, own it - for your own truth ?

[BeYonder]

The Pivot of The Now
~allows entry into past, present, future through THE PIVOT of THE NOW
(ironically, it is the only place, where you can transport yourself)
thus, the importance of being prepared

[KristenAnn]

Please share what evidence you have. And please don't tell me that I'm welcome to my own opinion; that's already known and proven beyond a doubt. You'll notice from my language that I'm very careful to state opinions in terms that do not imply certainty, and I state facts to the degree of accuracy that I can. So, when I hear someone say that they 'know' something or have their own 'findings', I'm very skeptical. If you would like to present your evidence, I'm sure many people here would like to hear it, but what you are claiming above is stated so vaguely as to be near meaningless.

Hi Dorok. Sorry for not responding to this earlier. Haven't had much time to spend online lately. I didn't mean the statement that you're welcome to your opinions to be in any way condescending or to put you on the defense. And I apologize formnot being clear on where the sources of my statements come from. As for "evidence", I'll try to explain as best I can. It may not be enough for you or what you want to hear, but it's difficult to explain having strong intuitions. When you sense things, it's like a "knowing", and that's the only way of existence a person knows who has grown up that way. So it's not easy trying to explain this to someone who wants hardcore "evidence".

But IT'S NOT ONLY those intuitive senses. They also corroborate with what other very informative people I've met have said. These were people who had connections with the Montauk Experiments. Very professional people whose word can be trusted.

[Dorok]

Forgive my skepticism, but hearsay is what you are describing. I'm familiar with strong intuition as well, and I've an open enough mind to know that it's not infallible. Intuition + Hearsay = fun stories, nothing more.

How does your intuition jibe with my previous description of how time travel would also require a space travel component?

[BeYonder]

can anyone respond with information, to this thread ?

[fognoggin]

shame the op is debunked now as I found it quite intriguing, but in answer to
"BeYonder

Re: Time Traveler from 1890
Curious, as to how many people currently posting to this thread
have had have experiences, where they have: "

For me:-
2) fly in their dreams ~ alone, or with something else, maybe a golden retriever dog, or, a winged being
3) fallen in their dreams, but awaken b4 hitting the ground

I used to enjoy flying and eventually figured out that I could swoop-land rather than just aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahBOINK! kind of like a hockey-glide stop.

[KristenAnn]

Forgive my skepticism, but hearsay is what you are describing. I'm familiar with strong intuition as well, and I've an open enough mind to know that it's not infallible. Intuition + Hearsay = fun stories, nothing more.

How does your intuition jibe with my previous description of how time travel would also require a space travel component?

Hi Dorok. My feeling about restrictions of time travel requiring a space component is that it could be very likely that some things involve science and methods that most of us don't understand. It's like trying to figure out HOW people/beings could travel light years in a matter of a short time. Some who accept only present day science would say it's not possible. I, for one. believe that people/beings who are thousands of years ahead of us in history could have scientific methods far beyond ours.

I've had discussions with some who've been in "special ops" and have had top top secret clearance. They've been very familiar with this type of thing. Some of the thoughts we discussed were the many techologies that have been exchanged with extraterrestrials. It may be pointless to try to explain this to someone who may not want to acknowledge these possibilities. Many of those I spoke to are now in their 80s. They were involved in many of these things. Some even interacted with extraterrestrials. They told me some of the amazing technologies that were exchanged from as far back as the early 50s.

Here again, you may likely state that these conversations are merely "hearsay". I got to know these men. I know that what they shared is factual. It could very well be that it was some of this exchanged technology -- which goes beyond anything we can or could conceive at the time given -- that helped to produce the Montauk experiments, including Time Travel.

Oh well! We each believe, accept or reject what we choose too! It's an old saying that you can never change the mind of someone who has firmly decided otherwise.

Take care!

[BeYonder]

The negative pole of a skeptic is suspicion, while the positive pole is investigation
The negative pole of an idealist is abstraction, while the positive pole is coalescence
The negative pole of a stoic is resignation, while the positive pole is tranquillity
The negative pole of a spiritualist is faith, while the positive pole is verification
The negative pole of a realist is supposition, while the positive pole is perception
The negative pole of a cynic is denigration, while the positive pole is contraiction
The negative pole of a pragmatist is dogma, while the positive pole is practicality
Sometimes, people will slide between two of them,
skeptic & idealist, cynic and realist, stoic & spiritualist,
while pragmatist is a rather neutral attitude.
~ every soul on each will choose one of the above seven attitudes
and, it will be the way, you regard the world that surrounds you

[alienHunter]

The ones I haven't experienced:

walked between worlds...stock trading sign type (that i can remember)...no winged files either.

Not too long ago, I had a dream where i was suggesting to a young child that she was acting 'mean' (not my daughter). In the dream i fell asleep and when i woke up the young girl had placed a 'sticky' on me with 'f*ck you' penciled on it. Later, when thinking it occurred to me how appropriate AND typical that response was.

Curious, as to how many people currently posting to this thread
have had have experiences, where they have:
1) walked between worlds
2) fly in their dreams ~ alone, or with something else, maybe a golden retriever dog, or, a winged being
3) fallen in their dreams, but awaken b4 hitting the ground
4) have lucid dreams, they remember very clearly
5) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, can actually change & alter them
6) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, they are a student / learning in the dream
7) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, they are a teacher / sharing to others in a dream
8) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, have 'files' transferring into their head
(one of note, that i remember, was similar to 'the winged file' that flys on your computer screen, when a file is transferring
9) awaken very refreshed, and, seem to know things, they didn't know, b4 they went to bed and, entered the dream-worlds
10) have lucid dreams, and, are conscious of them, and, a sign, much like a 'stock trading sign' that shows changes in prices,
is actually running inside their head, and, they can read it
(if so, was the colour of the sign, burgundy - a red/purple type of mix, with a blackish background?)
i'm sure others can add, to the list
it might be interesting to explore experiences
~after_all, if a person doesn't have any 'real' experience, they have actually lived through,
how on earth, could you just take someone elses experience, and, own it - for your own truth ?

[alienHunter]

One other thing to consider is that 'alternative' views of the physical construction of our Universe have been proposed that suggest we live in a 3 time dimensions/one spatial dimension reality. It begs to consider within that scenario one would have to rethink what consensus science has to offer.

Hi Dorok. My feeling about restrictions of time travel requiring a space component is that it could be very likely that some things involve science and methods that most of us don't understand. It's like trying to figure out HOW people/beings could travel light years in a matter of a short time. Some who accept only present day science would say it's not possible. I, for one. believe that people/beings who are thousands of years ahead of us in history could have scientific methods far beyond ours.

I've had discussions with some who've been in "special ops" and have had top top secret clearance. They've been very familiar with this type of thing. Some of the thoughts we discussed were the many techologies that have been exchanged with extraterrestrials. It may be pointless to try to explain this to someone who may not want to acknowledge these possibilities. Many of those I spoke to are now in their 80s. They were involved in many of these things. Some even interacted with extraterrestrials. They told me some of the amazing technologies that were exchanged from as far back as the early 50s.

Here again, you may likely state that these conversations are merely "hearsay". I got to know these men. I know that what they shared is factual. It could very well be that it was some of this exchanged technology -- which goes beyond anything we can or could conceive at the time given -- that helped to produce the Montauk experiments, including Time Travel.

Oh well! We each believe, accept or reject what we choose too! It's an old saying that you can never change the mind of someone who has firmly decided otherwise.

Take care!

[KristenAnn]

Right Alienhunter! Excellent thought! Acknowledgement of the multi-dimensionality of life and the universe! It's something that in my 'gut' I've always taken into consideration. As I see it anyway, along with many others, life holds many surprising mysteries. It always seemed so "one-dimensional" or short-sighted to hear Astronomers say there is "no life" on the Moon or other planetary bodies that they've investigated. Because their investigations were limited to this 'elementary' 3rd dimension.

Then, for instance, in 1974 during Anthroposophy studies their findings from the perspective of gifted clairvoyance indicate that there is life on every planet and body in our system (and likely all others). It's just that it all exists on other dimensions or planes.

One other thing to consider is that 'alternative' views of the physical construction of our Universe have been proposed that suggest we live in a 3 time dimensions/one spatial dimension reality. It begs to consider within that scenario one would have to rethink what consensus science has to offer.

[Dorok]

So, let me get this straight...

I'm closed minded because I'm unable to be persuaded by your debunked OP and hearsay from conversations you've had with unnamed people even though I offer a salient and scientifically sound basis for determining when a time/space travel story can be weighted towards the BS category. Even though many so called Top Secret 'special ops' informers have been exposed as disinfo agents and none have ever offered any true proof of the existence of so called 'alien' technology nor a working understanding of the principles involved.

It's seems to me as if the hearsay regarding technology of this sort could be easier explained by just saying 'a god' did it.

I will not continue a debate on this subject with anyone who has abandoned critical thinking in favor of holding on to stories that they were told.

If the OP would like to recapture any shred of credibility, then she might want to at least acknowledge that the OP is bunk and request that this thread be re-categorized as such.

[Dex]

I really like you, Kristen Ann and you seem entirely sincere, but I think Dorok has a good point...it does not seem to be fair to generalize those who ask for evidence as closed-minded. I'm also the kind of person who requires more than faith to believe something. Please don't take the questions the wrong way. Many come here to share information and it is reasonable to ask about sources, you know?

I don't really know about time travel, so I'm not saying your information is untrue or true, just reflecting on the process because we often reach this point here where faith/intuition bumps up against critical thinking/questioning and it is my hope that bruising does not always have to be the result (perhaps some new level of understanding and discernment may result if we keep at it).

I'm closed minded because I'm unable to be persuaded

[BeYonder]

if a person isn't interested in a particular thread,
it could be suggested, that they simply avoid it

if a person is a skeptic,
then investigating, it actually keeps them in a positive pole,
but, when they make up their mind, something isn't right,
they stagnate, especially if they are still suspicious (wanting answers)
but, just NOT doing anything
-it actually pushes them into a very negative pole & state of being

Skeptics are necessary,
-perhaps this why when they are seeking answers, and, investigating,
they really make themselves & others feel & think way outside of their boxes, which is good

when, they are absolutely sure of their own opinion on something
& they are NOT open, but fixed to their own opinion, & holding strong to it,
whether or NOT, they have any depth of knowledge, or, real experience of their own,
pertaining to the discussion, they can appear to NOT always be pleasant to others,
this is normally most unfortunate, because, this is NOT how they really want to be taken by others, to be understood.

[alienHunter]

HI Dex,

i'm sure you're correct but the 'stronger' the implied skepticism the greater the implication that there isn't much wiggle room to 'share' information. I, for one, don't really like providing 'evidence' because 'evidence' is in the mind of the beholder. Take a look at the other sites which have 'evidence' producers by the hordes. Most of the evidence i've seen i consider ridiculous to the extreme. And, if i stated that opinion, then, of course, the rejoinder was "Where's YOUR evidence". Most of the time, I felt like responding, "Find your own damn evidence, you blind fool!"

The point is that if one wants evidence, a gentle approach will likely be the most rewarding. And, if not forthcoming, oh well...the stars will not fall from the sky.

I really like you, Kristen Ann and you seem entirely sincere, but I think Dorok has a good point...it does not seem to be fair to generalize those who ask for evidence as closed-minded. I'm also the kind of person who requires more than faith to believe something. Please don't take the questions the wrong way. Many come here to share information and it is reasonable to ask about sources, you know?

I don't really know about time travel, so I'm not saying your information is untrue or true, just reflecting on the process because we often reach this point here where faith/intuition bumps up against critical thinking/questioning and it is my hope that bruising does not always have to be the result (perhaps some new level of understanding and discernment may result if we keep at it).

[BeYonder]

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