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    Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Greetings fellow Nexians,

    I have been wanting to post about this for a long time. In spring 2011 I went to a talk given by Ac Tah about 2012. Ac Tah, known as the "Walking Mayan", was chosen by his ancestors to share the Mayan message about 2012 (he walks all over Mexico sharing the message). Many of you know I am a huge skeptic; I can't really even explain why I went to Ac Tah's talk (a series of synchronicities got the best of me).

    All I can say is that I don't know what to think of many of the things he spoke of, but he is a genuine and loving person -- his main message (as I heard it) is that we need to find a way to live in unity and that being happy and creating happiness is the most important thing. I can't agree with that more. I will look for more to post here about Ac Tah and his work. I just wanted to get this thread started because I've been putting it off for so long. Maybe others have heard of him.

    http://actah2012.com/index.php
    Ac Tah Words: quotes taken from
    "The Night of the Last Katun"

    On the Maya Calendar:
    "The Maya were aware that time is infinite and could be counted to infinity, however they left us a calendar up to the year 2012 to leave it to our generation to commence a new count, in the light of a new spiritual awareness."

    On the Meso-American Pyramids
    ?Pyramids are a natural technology, built by our ancestors to transmit ultrasound frequencies that activate the pineal gland of the brain, opening up perception to a wider range of spiritual frequencies and thus for us to become aware that we are part of a whole?.?

    On Actah's Mission:
    "We are not looking for followers, nor promoting a certain philosophy; we are uniting and motivating people so we can live as one body, in peace and harmony!"

    On your responsibility:
    "The shift towards a harmonious and well balanced humanity is not the responsibility of only one person, but of every human being on the planet."

    On the year 2000 hype:
    ??some even thought that God would be physically there to judge us, and that the good people would go to Heaven and the rest would be sent to Hell. We are still waiting for someone to appear with a magical staff in his hand to change the world, but that is never going to happen, because the shift towards a harmonious and well balanced humanity is not the responsibility of only one person, but of every human being on the planet. You cannot assume your responsibility on December 22nd of the year 2012. You must assume it now, precisely today, as you are reading this book.?

    Messages given to Actah from departed Maya Kings:
    ? ? the true legacy of the Maya is in the pyramids, in the steles. The information is everywhere for you to use and carry out a revolution of consciousness?

    ?? Evolution is all about emotion, passion, joy, happiness, energy and love. If humans cannot experience this, they are dead men walking , and they?d better get down to searching for the true meaning of their lives.?
    Also, I was so moved by Ac Tah that I learned my Maya Vibration Sound Technique from Ac Tah's friend Mai, who travels with him. Again, I am a total skeptic, but really wanted to know. I'm glad I did and the sound is the basis for my meditations (which are very sporadic). More about that:

    http://www.actah2012.com/Vibrational-Training.htm
    Ac Tah: According to my ancestors, there exist 20 different vibration frequencies that activate every day and are repeated in a cycle of 20 days. Just like the four seasons of the year these vibrations are tied to the four principle elements: air, fire, earth and water.

    When a person is born their body is connected to one of these frequencies which will permit them to grow in harmony with everything around them and experience an excellent life. Due to the fact that people live in ways far from nature, the majority of humanity has lost this important connection needed to generate vital energy. It is necessary that every human being stops only a few minutes in their daily lives to reconnect with this vital energy.


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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    More about Ac Tah:

    http://www.seedgraduateinstitute.org...enters/ac-tah/
    Ac Tah, which means “The Man who Talks,” is a Mayan seer who has been transmitting the messages of the ancient Maya to all that are called to listen. A direct descendent of the Maya, Ac Tah has been honored to be selected as a messenger of the knowledge and information that is encoded on Mayan glyphs and steles at sacred sites throughout Mexico. Trained at an early age in the old ways by his grandfather, Ac Tah found, upon visitation to the sacred sites, that the teachings of his grandfather came alive in a direct way. As Ac Tah explains, his grandfather seeded the restructuring of his neuronal structures in order to prepare him to directly receive the ancient knowledge. This is why the ancient pyramids and monuments were able to speak directly to him.

    His mission became clear when he was invited by the Ancient Maya ancestors to share their knowledge and to prepare the people to recognize Hunab Ku, the astronomical event that marks the shift of consciousness on Earth. His message is not to wait for this shift in consciousness, however, but to begin changing now. To do this, we must become aware of our current thoughts and patterns of perception, and in so doing, we will become better prepared to receive the new frequencies that are becoming realized at this time.

    Ac Tah is now touring the world speaking of these things. As an aid to shifting consciousness, Ac Tah has been showing people how to construct and work with ancient Maya technologies in the form of astronomical Maya geometries that we call labyrinths, energetic movements and a vibratory sound technique. These practices and his talks help participants tune into the cosmic flow of events and realize who they are as human beings.


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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Here is a video of Ac Tah

    Ac Tah, a Mayan spiritual leader speaks on how to prepare for the Mayan 2012 prophecies if the end of time.


    The interview picks up here (transcript): http://toltecmysteryschool.com/uncategorized/ac-tah-2
    Ac Tah there are a lot of people who are scared of what will happen in 2012. What would you tell them? How would you tell them to prepare? Because there is a lot of fear.

    Well, we truly have so much strength, such an ability to materialize what we think and all our fear, and the fear humanity is creating, can become our reality. If we do nothing, a lot of people want to sit and wait to see what happens in 2012, and I tell people that if we sit and watch, nothing will happen. Things will be the same. The way humanity is now is stressed out and it wears us out. When the world increases it?s energy it automatically increases our sensations, our feelings. The way people live life now, stressed our and high-paced, they will get more stressed out and get more emotionally unstable. Right now people are wearing themselves out, they have gotten lost in themselves and this has impeded their evolution. Humans stopped evolving a long time ago. They are just looking for comfort. But this is based on damaging everything around them. We generate electric energy which is beneficial, it helps us. It illuminates the night, roads, we entertain ourselves, but we don?t realize that behind this benefit we are damaging the earth. In this process of Earth changes, a process of how we understand things, right now people need to compete with other humans to advance. There are a lot of natural methods now, like electric energy to generate energy naturally without harming the earth. Sometimes it depends on a country?s economy. People don?t want to make the change because they are afraid. They are afraid of not having a job, of still earning a paycheck, they are afraid of economic instability, but they don?t realize that fear has a consequence. That consequence isn?t positive. On one hand, I think that in about 13 years humanity will enter into a psychotic state, an emotionally instable state. Anyway, those 13 years will pass. If we do nothing, people will arrive at that time in a very aggressive state, fighting in a primordial state, in a territorial state, wanting to win, wanting to take, wanting to accumulate, being competitive. But if those 13 years are going to pass anyway, we can do something during these Earth changes, and this shift in consciousness is just two or three years away, we can revert our way of thinking, our way of living; I think we could live a more peaceful way...


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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Dex View Post
    Also, I was so moved by Ac Tah that I learned my Maya Vibration Sound Technique from Ac Tah's friend Mai, who travels with him. Again, I am a total skeptic, but really wanted to know. I'm glad I did and the sound is the basis for my meditations (which are very sporadic). More about that:

    http://www.actah2012.com/Vibrational-Training.htm
    Hi Dex. I went to the Vibrational Training link, but there's a fee to learn the technique. Just wondering if you enrolled and learned it. If so, I'd love to hear about it and about your experience with it.

    Thanks!
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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KristenAnn View Post
    Hi Dex. I went to the Vibrational Training link, but there's a fee to learn the technique. Just wondering if you enrolled and learned it. If so, I'd love to hear about it and about your experience with it.

    Thanks!
    Kristen
    Yep, it was totally unlike me, but I paid for a session with Mai while they were in my vicinity. I feel weird posting about this (I guess that's why I waited so long), but I figured others might get something out of it. The vibration is a set of sounds determined by time/date/location of birth (so, I guess related to astrology?). Mai taught me how to say it and mine sounds something like "Yome Ak Eek". Yours would sound different, based on your own DOB.

    I can't vouch for it's value to other people, but for a person like me, who has a hard time meditating, it has been great to have a sound to focus on. During labor (36 hours) I focused on the sound and it helped keep my voice low (which helped with everything else). Perhaps meditating on something as random as "cellar door" as a sound would be equally beneficial, I really don't know. I can only speak for myself.

    Added: One more thing, during the session, I was told that I am to "welcome others home" in 2012. I take that to mean that if there is some shift, many people may freak out, but I am to help them see they are ok and "home". I don't really understand this, rationally, but it somehow makes sense to me. That's why I'm not freaking out about 2012.

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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Hi again I just watched the video above. Sounds like alot of good ideas, which we've all heard before -- for example having a state of inner harmony etc. This is what we hear over and over, but this is not really very helpful to 1) explain exactly what's coming 2) why this big "change" or Transition is happening now, or 3) how can we prepare.

    Bottom line is that no one knows. This big Transition isn't in our written histories. The best, most concise explanations I've found -- were so precise compared to anything else out there about what's coming -- and even how to prepare. So helpful, in fact, that I wrote it all in a book. (Don't mean to be a salesperson, but honestly the information is unlike any others that's been given. The site address is in the bottom of my posts.)

    For me, I wanted to know exactly WHY this is happening and WHAT will be happening. And the careful explanation begins with this Wheel of Ages that I showed before. Total duration is 25,920 years. The point is this revealing information was given thru people who were clairvoyant. Gifted like Edgar Cayce, only moreso in that their ability to see and know life's deepest mysteries which include mankind's purpose, the ancient past as well as the future, and even things like the spirits that live on other dimensions behind everything. One of our natural science classes was on elemental beings. We got a full understanding of the different types for different elements.

    What I'm getting at is that the ONLY way someone can be conclusive and fully explain what's coming is to be clairvoyant -- to have this ability that Edgar Cayce did (but he did only while in trance) and what Rudolf Steiner had all the time. His findings is what I studied for 2 years. Years that were made even more fascinating by a professor who was clairvoyant and who could explain things and tell us things we couldn't have imagined.

    Here's the time wheel. At either end, roughly 13,000 years apart, a major cataclysm has always happened thru-out history. Our histories don't go back that far, but I asked our prof. what exactly happened at the last big change or Transition. The answer was that is was the final inundation of Atlantis. This time, however, will not be a cataclysm that wipes out most of humanity like all others in the past. This will be a Transition like no other. The reason I feel confident that this is all true is because we saw evidence in those 2 years of the validity of those teachings.

    Darn! Sorry! It won't upload. Here's the link: you just have to scroll down past the first couple images to the Wheel of Ages. And I hope I'm not sounding dogmatic about it! It's just that this is the most precise information I've found, so I wanted to pass it along. Interestingly, it totally coincides with what scientists have said -- that there is a major alignment that happens roughly every 26,000 years, with a lesser one happening at the mid or 13,000 year point. http://exploringsacredspace.com/Time...Horizontal.jpg

    Again, it may just sound like another explanation -- like everyone else's explanation -- just another. But this had credibility behind it that was proven true in so many other instances. And what they went on to say is that
    Oh my gosh! This may have finally attached. Ok, anyway, it was said that most of humanity is NOT going to die in some great cataclysm this time. This time it will be an inter-dimensional shift. We'll be passing thru dimensions. It's all very involved & there are many different things playing into it, but bottom line is that it will be ok -- and we'll be ok.

    They said that THERE WILL be the "Three Days of Darkness" that had been spoken of in the Bible. The best way to explain it is effects of the energy fields or electro-magnetic fields changing with this immense inter-dimensional shift. The instructions given were that IF the Transition doesn't happen before these 3 days of darkness, and it very well may then there's something we must do. It's very important to STAY INSIDE for that duration. For some reason it's crucially important NOT to have any exposure to the outside. All windows & openings to the outside need to be tightly covered with OPAQUE curtains or covers, and even to use heavy wide tape around the edges & around edges of all outside doors. Have food, water & flashlights & candles.

    There will be no electricity or outside communication. But MOST IMPORTANTLY is to stay upbeat. Treat it like an adventure that we're all taking together. Sing songs, tell stories, be happy. I had been thinking that we could use fireplaces, but then that would mean opening the chimney flu to the outside, so I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THIS. But most important will be NOT to freak out. Just stay happy, composed and confident that all will be fine.

    This is just some of the important parts in a nutshell. How do we know when the "three days" are beginning, you might ask? Princess Kaoru, a clairvoyant from Japan, said she had "seen" that it would begin on Dec. 22nd. My prof. had said that when Vesuvius has a major eruption this will be an indication. The future has been changing so rapidly tho, it may not be certain that Vesuvius will have a major eruption.

    Just wanted to pass these few important things along.

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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    yeah..more dogma and guess work based on PAST events..we are on a SPIRAL evolution so what will happen(if anything) is UNKNOWN..we are in a time of shifting timelines and a huge number of probable realities and CHOICES..so many "channels" and new -agey teachers will find that they have been deceived and they will lose their followers..thats a pretty SURE thing..a clean up of the "teachers and preachers" who get their info from the 4d-11d corrupted fields will be a npretty sure bet

    The psychic atmosphere among "spiritual" people will be much clearer when all these 2012 dec THEORIES come and go and many find themselves NEEDING to look within THEMSELVES for guidance and salvation

    the ARTIFICIAL black hole at the center of our galaxy will not be allowed to swallow the naive in to a "5d heaven" if all goes well...that's my hope...don't let the 2012 hype take you off your spiritual path...or leave you hoping that the universe will "rescue or save" you...you will most likely be disappointed and will have wasted alot of time.


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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by KristenAnn View Post
    Hi again I just watched the video above. Sounds like alot of good ideas, which we've all heard before -- for example having a state of inner harmony etc. This is what we hear over and over, but this is not really very helpful to 1) explain exactly what's coming 2) why this big "change" or Transition is happening now, or 3) how can we prepare.

    Bottom line is that no one knows. This big Transition isn't in our written histories. The best, most concise explanations I've found -- were so precise compared to anything else out there about what's coming -- and even how to prepare. So helpful, in fact, that I wrote it all in a book. (Don't mean to be a salesperson, but honestly the information is unlike any others that's been given. The site address is in the bottom of my posts.)

    For me, I wanted to know exactly WHY this is happening and WHAT will be happening. And the careful explanation begins with this Wheel of Ages that I showed before. Total duration is 25,920 years. The point is this revealing information was given thru people who were clairvoyant.
    Thanks Kristin Ann. I guess the reason I wanted to hear what Ac Tah had to say is that he is an actual Mayan, educated by Mayan elders. Maybe he is clairvoyant, but he probably does not need to be, since he can understand the meaning of the inscriptions at the ancient Mayan sites. He has more specific guidance about why, how, what, preparation, etc; I just don't feel like enough of an expert to explain it. I took a ton of notes from his talk and he gets into much detail (most of which was way over my head). I will look for a video or transcript where he explains more.

    One thing I like about Ac Tah is that he's not really done much to commercialize himself, so there are not a ton of YouTube videos, etc. He's hardly the "preacher" Krystic rails against. He's simply sharing the message of the ancient Mayans and the story is legitimately his to tell, since it is his ancestral heritage. He's definitely not looking for followers or preaching salvation. I figure Mayans know a heck of a lot more than gringos about 2012. Also, having met him and spent some time with him, I feel more confident of his work than a stranger's (just as you do of your teachers).

    I guess everyone has a piece of the puzzle to share and contemplate!

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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Hi Dex. Ok, thanks, because the short clip above doesn't give any practical explanation of either what's coming, why or how to prepare.
    Maybe he explained all this in other places.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dex View Post
    Thanks Kristin Ann. I guess the reason I wanted to hear what Ac Tah had to say is that he is an actual Mayan, educated by Mayan elders. Maybe he is clairvoyant, but he probably does not need to be, since he can understand the meaning of the inscriptions at the ancient Mayan sites. He has more specific guidance about why, how, what, preparation, etc; I just don't feel like enough of an expert to explain it. I took a ton of notes from his talk and he gets into much detail (most of which was way over my head). I will look for a video or transcript where he explains more. One think I like about him is that he's not really done much to commercialize himself, so there are not a ton of YouTube videos, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KristenAnn View Post
    Hi Dex. Ok, thanks, because the short clip above doesn't give any practical explanation of either what's coming, why or how to prepare.
    Maybe he explained all this in other places.

    Thanks!
    Kristen
    I think some of the ways he is encouraging people to prepare is via the sacred geometry (ceremonial maze walking) and vibrational sound techniques described on the website cited in my first post. He talked about "raising the frequency" by creating "antennas for happiness" -- simply being joyful and sharing that joy. He got into DNA and planets...a bunch of stuff.

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    i'm not sure about this translation...i heard him say, "underpants"...
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    Yep, it was totally unlike me, but I paid for a session with Mai while they were in my vicinity. I feel weird posting about this (I guess that's why I waited so long), but I figured others might get something out of it. The vibration is a set of sounds determined by time/date/location of birth (so, I guess related to astrology?). Mai taught me how to say it and mine sounds something like "Yome Ak Eek". Yours would sound different, based on your own DOB.

    I can't vouch for it's value to other people, but for a person like me, who has a hard time meditating, it has been great to have a sound to focus on. During labor (36 hours) I focused on the sound and it helped keep my voice low (which helped with everything else). Perhaps meditating on something as random as "cellar door" as a sound would be equally beneficial, I really don't know. I can only speak for myself.

    Added: One more thing, during the session, I was told that I am to "welcome others home" in 2012. I take that to mean that if there is some shift, many people may freak out, but I am to help them see they are ok and "home". I don't really understand this, rationally, but it somehow makes sense to me. That's why I'm not freaking out about 2012.



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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by alienHunter View Post
    i'm not sure about this translation...i heard him say, "underpants"...
    Unn Dur Panz. Try it!

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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    In watching that video it brought home one of the things that i find so perplexing. This guy is so obviously an American indigenous yet many 'Native Americans' hold a great deal of hate for people from Mexico. I never really understood how humanity could have been so 'disturbed' by the notion of borders.


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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    ahhh, subliminal...
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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Interesting. Thanks Dex. And nice to know that it helped you during birth. Thanks for sharing about it.

    I love the bit about being told you are to "welcome others home". How nice! I could really relate to that. I've felt like maybe I'm sort of preparing people to know what's coming -- which is ultimately the same thing. ;-)

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    Yep, it was totally unlike me, but I paid for a session with Mai while they were in my vicinity. I feel weird posting about this (I guess that's why I waited so long), but I figured others might get something out of it. The vibration is a set of sounds determined by time/date/location of birth (so, I guess related to astrology?). Mai taught me how to say it and mine sounds something like "Yome Ak Eek". Yours would sound different, based on your own DOB.

    I can't vouch for it's value to other people, but for a person like me, who has a hard time meditating, it has been great to have a sound to focus on. During labor (36 hours) I focused on the sound and it helped keep my voice low (which helped with everything else). Perhaps meditating on something as random as "cellar door" as a sound would be equally beneficial, I really don't know. I can only speak for myself.

    Added: One more thing, during the session, I was told that I am to "welcome others home" in 2012. I take that to mean that if there is some shift, many people may freak out, but I am to help them see they are ok and "home". I don't really understand this, rationally, but it somehow makes sense to me. That's why I'm not freaking out about 2012.


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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Maybe it's less of a "border" issue and more (possibly) of a risidual bad feeling for the first Spanish who came to Mexico & south of the border and how they mistreated the native Americans . . . ?

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    In watching that video it brought home one of the things that i find so perplexing. This guy is so obviously an American indigenous yet many 'Native Americans' hold a great deal of hate for people from Mexico. I never really understood how humanity could have been so 'disturbed' by the notion of borders.


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    I could believe that...but then i'd have to give them the benefit of the doubt... :O)
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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    This kind of bullshit can be really dangerous if you haven't build proper psychological immunity. This guy (and I don't give two fucks is he's mexican and mayan) is just using pseudo-mystical language to work around very superficial notions of spirituality, new age notions to be more precise. Ask the guy to elaborate on the possible causes for humanity's multiple predicaments and I bet my ass that he'll just work around superficial ideas such as: too much greed, people are not eating in a healthy way, people are too negative, The Earth goes trough multiple changes.

    When I see someone saying that spirituality is just about being happy and has nothing to do with Knowledge, then I know that person is full of shit and should jump into a lake. It takes more than being a descendant of the ancient mayans and using cute colours with your clothing to develop any degree of spirituality. See the problem is that these kind of people think that embarking on the journey of self-hood equals express happiness and zero suffering whatsoever, they think that because they attend a few workshops (free or otherwise) then they are qualified to get THE ultimate experience and nothing could be further from the truth.

    Now, I'm not saying that meditation is complete bullshit nor I'm closed to the idea of the human body having unexplored energetic channels, nor I'm against the idea of other planes of existence. I start to judge the ideas based on how people elaborate them. People who buy into the cute mayan (hell knows if they are really mayan) doctrines think that a bit of meditation and a bit of psychedelics is gonna fix everything and they'll have their world of free and unconditional love.

    Now compare this childish attitude to the approach of true shamanism (read the books centered around Don Juan Matus) and people who have entered deep into esoterism (think Gurjieff, Crowley, Manly P. Hall) they don't deny the benefits of meditation nor deny the possible benefits of exploring other realms nor deny the potential use of psychedelics... but these people understood that it's not a stupid hobby, nor a cute game full of pretty beings and pretty words and that in fact it can be relly dangerous and you can get lost into all that stuff without proper preparation. As far as I can tell the rites involving psychedellics required weeks of preparation on behalf of the practioner to carry out the ceremony and before being able to work with it, they'd spend years and years in some mystery school honing their abilities in a gradual manner... you know, Manly P. Hall went as far as advising against any use of magic, instead he seemed to recommend philosophy to gradually evolve without taking huge risks by fucking around with forces beyond human understanding and/or control.

    These people also understood the tremendous role of Knowlege in human development, I'm talking about "deep knowledge", not the kind of regurgitated facts you learn at schools and universities. Sure they never said cold logic and Reason where the ultimate tools, but they didn't go as far as denying them either. Every kind of knowledge which can be integrated into the understanding and development of the human being is of paramount importance and it can come from mysticism, mathematics, biology, psychology, etc.

    I see a huge problem with a lot of people who crave the state of peaceful enlightment and that is the way in which they romanticize ancient cultures like the mayans. People have to understand that most people within the mayan society were neurotic fuckers and within those ranks there were also sadistic bastards who got off by murdering, raping and enslaving other people. To an extent it was a culture full of supertitious bullshit just like every other culture you may find today or in history books... you know it's similiar as to how some people like to suck up to the native americans as a whole, yeah sure they may not have been as fucked up as the "civilization" which almost erradicated them, but that didn't make most of its people sane... very few people were into the road towards sanity and sadly that's been the case for who knows how many years.

    This Ac Tah character is just providing mental and emotional drugs, he's delusional if he thinks the cute teachings of an ancient culture bestows him with spiritual powers, he's delusional if he thinks that by walking around spreading love he's gonna bring a world of peace. Just look at how people like him sell you the idea of some mystical, beautiful, mysterious awakening... some higher consciousness bathing you with its fallic light and taking you into ecstasy. They even go as far as giving people locations for this marvelous event.

    I will tell you where this conscious awakening is located: it's located in you, in your mind, in your body, in your emotional self, in your very own Psyche. Make no mistake, it's not a ride full of beautiful sights and you may find yourself alieanated many times. it's constant work, not a summer holiday... but you need no Ac Tah, no workshop, no smiling guru to dive into self-hood... but it can require tremendous amounts of Will depending on what inner and outer obstacles you happen to face.

    Oh I notice that this Ac Tah guy is bent on the idea of spreading a "message of light", just remember that just as light can illuminate and make darkness disappear, it can also blind you and numb you.

    I write this because I bought into these kind of doctrines for a while and when I finally snapped out of it I saw the idiocy behind the cuteness and the extreme self-denial, see this for further references: http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...-Consciousness

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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Don't worry reaves, I'm not following Ac Tah or anyone. I figured if I'm interested in 2012 stuff, hearing a Mayan speak about it would be a good idea. I think people can be spiritual with out studying esoterica or other systems. Sometimes that stuff can be another trap -- a pyramid of secret info you need to earn and/or pay for and few make it to the ever-elusive "top" where the real knowledge is.

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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Before I say anything else I'd like to point out I consider myself a bit baffled by spirituality. I just don't get it. I struggle to even define it to myself. Maybe somebody could help me out there. But I don't worry about it much so don't strain yourself to enlighten me

    I kind of agree with Reaver about the dangers of surrendering yourself to teachers and being led to "enlightenment" rather than finding your own wisdom - sorry if that's oversimplifying it - but I'm also firm believer in the positive and negative effects that mood can have on individuals which can have a knock-on effect on people around them - like a ripple in a pond.

    In Britain, largely due to media coverage in my opinion, we are scared of our own kids. We see a bunch of kids on a street corner at night and immediately think they are up to no good - the media reinforces this because the media sells well to people who like buying dramatic stories - I'm not sure why bad news is so attractive - but I digress.
    People look at these kids as if they are trouble causers. Ok maybe some of them are, but I know if somebody looks at me with a suspicious or acusative expression (if there is there such a thing?) I will not react positively. This negative pre-disposition towards our youth is almost like a self fullfilling prophecy.
    By the same token you can makes somebody's day with a smile or a warm word. If that then causes them to make a positive decision instead of negative, or the smile effect is mirrored long enough to be warm to the next person - it's a positive ripple effect.

    You could say that this could be a dangerous deluded state of mind - shouldn't everybody be worried with what's going on in the world? But apart from us being rational, intelligent, societial beings, with all the problems and responsibilities that brings, we are also a bunch of bunnies that need to warm each other just to make life livable whatever the predicaments. If you are so focussed on solving the world's problems and not spending time enjoying living what is the point?

    Anyway I'd be quite happy to try out contentment/tranquility/happyness techniques as long as I wasn't required to buy into prophecy theories.

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    Hi Fognoggin. Anything to create contentment/tranquility/happiness sounds perfect. Seems to me that the more content one is it sort of spills over and becomes sort of contagious -- promoting good feelings, good circumstances and outcomes all around.
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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    HI Dex,

    I'd like to encourage you to become a spiritual person...if you're checking out Ac Tah...you already are, you just have to be willing to accept it within yourself.
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    Don't worry reaves, I'm not following Ac Tah or anyone. I figured if I'm interested in 2012 stuff, hearing a Mayan speak about it would be a good idea. I think people can be spiritual with out studying esoterica or other systems. Sometimes that stuff can be another trap -- a pyramid of secret info you need to earn and/or pay for and few make it to the ever-elusive "top" where the real knowledge is.

    I'm not a spiritual person and I have no interest in becoming one. What I want to be is a more loving, creative and positive person and I don't need to study anything to do that. Just pay attention and be myself.



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    HI Dex,

    I'd like to encourage you to become a spiritual person...if you're checking out Ac Tah...you already are, you just have to be willing to accept it within yourself.
    Thanks AH. I follow my curiosity and my heart; if I become a spiritual person along the way, so be it. I just hope I don't notice!

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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Promoting fear or good feelings are equal and the same when manipulating people from the truth.

    Food for thought....


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    Re: Ac Tah, "The Walking Mayan", on 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by reaver View Post
    I see a huge problem with a lot of people who crave the state of peaceful enlightment
    The problem is lack of balance. People over compensate fear or love to gain integrity.


    Quote Originally Posted by reaver View Post
    This Ac Tah character is just providing mental and emotional drugs,
    Its good that he is creating flexibility in thought, a start for some, old had for others... The idea is will this gentlemen be able to use his power of humility to reorganize his perception. Most times this is not so....


    Quote Originally Posted by reaver View Post
    some higher consciousness bathing you with its fallic light and taking you into ecstasy.
    It does not just have to be fallic This is a credit to our species and our downfall. Credit to our evolvement of moving into the esoteric realities of the world, our down fall in creating a further schism to our nature. Luciferian light body for all practical purposes...

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