Be a Man, Be a Woman

[aroundthetable]

Writer and ex-lawyer Carolyn Graglia makes a monumental case in her book ?Domestic Tranquility. A Brief Against Feminism?, demonstrating with hundreds of pages of evidence how feminism was a big factor in creating the child-hating, sexually perverse culture we live in today. Not only that, but when the majority of women feel compelled to be out working a job, those who do choose to stay home find that there is not a female neighbor in sight! Not so long ago it was the other way around; generally mothers, grandmothers and housewives could be found in every home, supporting one another and sharing a common interest in what was once considered human society?s most sacred duties.

It?s something my mother and grandmother experienced, but is foreign to the present generation. Now any woman that dares to remain at home often feels frustrated, unrecognized, derided and alone. To learn how to care for her child or get along with her husband she has to read a book. All this gives further evidence of the sort of social imbalance, hardship and untold heartache that feminism creates for others. Nor are the working women any happier, ?Despite the increased opportunities we have in society, to hold jobs, earn equal wages, we are becoming less satisfied. It is possible that these opportunities have become more of a burden. Not only can women do more, but maybe our standards have increased so that we expect women to do more.? (excerpt from Superwoman-Can We Do It All?)

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[Janos]

I don't care WHICH parent is left at home to raise the child, but we have generations of children being raised by strangers, and then wonder why the kids turn out so bad. Not rocket science here. If you aren't willing to raise them and teach them yourself, you probably shouldn't have had them. That may step on a few sacred cows, but everyone has an opinion after all, and that is mine. (Backed up with huge amounts of real world data.)

[Vajdan]

My WARNING: rantings of a fired-up woman about to ensue, and my fellow woman will probably gawk at me for it.

Writer and ex-lawyer Carolyn Graglia makes a monumental case in her book ?Domestic Tranquility. A Brief Against Feminism?,

Shoot, I love it already just from the title!

demonstrating with hundreds of pages of evidence how feminism was a big factor in creating the child-hating, sexually perverse culture we live in today.

Child-hating indeed, not many people really want to have kids anymore, and there are a lot of "oops" babies. Everyone dreads becoming a parent because they can't bear the idea of a screaming, selfish brat taking over their lives and becoming the center of their existence... Which only happens because of the "child-worship" mentality, where child-rearing is not a duty, but a full-time hobby, and your child is not a young human, but a precious pet that can do no wrong, is special, and gets all the best pickin's of everything, including your blood, sweat, and tears - manners and gratitude are optional, and the spouse always comes last in your consideration, because the totem pole goes
CHILD
SELF
SIGNIFICANT OTHER.

If you are not dreading and avoiding having kids, you are utterly worshiping them. Deviate from either of these views and you will be looked upon as an alien freak by society and regarded with utmost suspicion. Take it from me, I?ve seen it happen.

Not only that, but when the majority of women feel compelled to be out working a job, those who do choose to stay home find that there is not a female neighbor in sight!

No kidding! Most of my friends are always online in some fashion whenever I get to talk to them! They?re typically at school for a major/minor they?re unsure of and dissatisfied with, or at a job that they hate.

It?s something my mother and grandmother experienced, but is foreign to the present generation. Now any woman that dares to remain at home often feels frustrated, unrecognized, derided and alone.

Probably because the common woman feels like she?s being ?put down? or ?oppressed by a patriarchal society,? which in fact isn?t the case at all, because women are given outrageous favorable bias in political and social situations all the time, it never ends.
As for myself, I am only frustrated, derided, and alone, because of my fellow woman, believe it or not. I?m looked down on for not desiring to ?be and have so much more;? I am made to feel less than by my fellow woman for not seeking to have a ?career? of some kind in the workforce. Nevermind that I?m happy at home, nevermind that I get all the time in the world to myself to do whatever I want and whatever fulfills me after all the to-do?s are done, and nevermind that I get to be practically spoiled like a queen in a castle by my husband, stress-free and clear. Oh no, I?m not a wear-the-pants ?career woman,? so I?m looked on as old-fashioned and less-than? It rankles, really.

To learn how to care for her child or get along with her husband she has to read a book.

Yeah, that part is always so riseable. My fellow woman often looks at her kids (whether she knows it or not) like they're some kind of animal, a pet, or a creature of another species, and scrutinizes them and puzzles them out to no end ? instead of looking at them as they are, a young human JUST LIKE THEM, with all the same potential for love, hate, and selfishness as anyone else. The rampant pandemic of parents underestimating their kids is truly astounding.
The same with ?marriage,? it?s like there?s this unspoken rule that people are supposed read each other?s minds. Just talking to each other doesn?t happen, which ends up damaging relations and trust, which leads to and and pain. It?s not common anymore to find couples who are first and foremost each other?s best friend anymore, the one you speak your mind and tell your secrets to, and when you DO find couples like that, or are part of a couple like that, then the common couple tends to resent you for what you have? and also thinks it?s okay for some obscure reason for THEM to give YOU advice.
Golden rule for marriage: KNOW your spouse, TALK with them, keep those communication channels open and be sure that you can TRUST each other.
Golden rule for parenting (from the point of view of a modern daughter [me of course]): KNOW your child, talk with them and do things together with them, understand what works effectively with them and NEVER underestimate them on the basis of what you would like to believe about them, because once they know what frequency you?re operating on, as it were, they WILL use that to manipulate you as far as they can, no matter how much they may really love you, because they will ONLY respect you for as far as you have proven yourself to them.

Nor are the working women any happier, ?Despite the increased opportunities we have in society, to hold jobs, earn equal wages, we are becoming less satisfied. It is possible that these opportunities have become more of a burden. Not only can women do more, but maybe our standards have increased so that we expect women to do more.? (excerpt from Superwoman-Can We Do It All?)

Couldn?t agree more. In fact, most of my female friends and family are absolutely riddled with stress and even self-worth issues over their jobs, careers, co-workers, bosses, and so on.

I don't care WHICH parent is left at home to raise the child, but we have generations of children being raised by strangers, and then wonder why the kids turn out so bad. Not rocket science here. If you aren't willing to raise them and teach them yourself, you probably shouldn't have had them. That may step on a few sacred cows, but everyone has an opinion after all, and that is mine. (Backed up with huge amounts of real world data.)

Ah yes, the ?outsourcing? of the modern mother, no? So busy at work that when they come home they ?just want some ?me time?? and so let their kids be raised and nurtured by ? guess who ? schoolteachers, soccer coaches, math tutors, youth ministry leaders, and just about anyone BUT their mother? and then they wonder why they don?t even know their own children, and why those children never listen to them, respect them, or show much regard for them.

*END OF RANT*

I will close with the funniest thing that I tend hear from some women who hear my views, these women think they are special of course, and this is what they tell me:

?Well, you don?t understand just how hard it is to be a single mother!?

Yeah, no kidding, of COURSE I don?t understand how hard it is to be a single mother! That?s because I?ve been HAPPILY MARRIED for all but a few months of my adult life! Step up to the plate and be a best friend to your man, ladies, no excuses, I?ve heard ?em all.

[aroundthetable]

Wow Vajdane, i never expected to get such a truly thoughtful response, Massive thanks for your effort and sharing.

[Odah]

a bigger problem with parenting is not letting kids be kids.. parent who do take part in their kids lives don't let their kids wander 10 feet out of the fron't yard and then go about scedualling every minute of their kids time. Kids don't even get to be kids.

When an 8year old gets expeeled from school when he point his fingers at another student and say bang bang. we have lost grounding as a society. but it is not just a problem in the us .. the over/hyper parenting is a worldwide thing.

[Bethany]

I would think economics plays a pretty big role in how this all unfolded. People need 2 incomes to just get by these days. And even sometimes that's not enough. People have been force fed the American dream, then bought into it. There's just so many factors, and so many of them are deceiving.

And then this is just one more thing to make women feel guilty. I'm all for letting people do whatever the hell ya like. If you want to work, work. If you don't, don't. Then just respect everyone's choices and positions.

I don't have children, not what I'm here to do. But I do have much respect for people who have chosen to. My two cents anyways.

[goldenyears]

a bigger problem with parenting is not letting kids be kids.. parent who do take part in their kids lives don't let their kids wander 10 feet out of the fron't yard and then go about scedualling every minute of their kids time. Kids don't even get to be kids.

When an 8year old gets expeeled from school when he point his fingers at another student and say bang bang. we have lost grounding as a society. but it is not just a problem in the us .. the over/hyper parenting is a worldwide thing.

Oh geez...I hear you on that one......

My next door neighbor has 3 kids under 12 that she homeschools (big credit for that....I hs my sixteen yr old) she's one of those "helicopter" parents...constantly hovering over her kids. They are involved in a dozen differetn activities....always going somewhere....she spends her live in her minivan. Then she has the GALL to complaiin to me all the time that she never gets anything done! Helloooo......you did it to yourself! Let your kids play outside once in a while and let them be kids...you had 'em, deal with it!

[aroundthetable]

It seems the roles of Men, Women and Children have all got a bit messed up.

[Bethany]

I really see both sides to all this, and understand the validity of all positions. But I for one, am not a fan of pre-defined roles. I tend to like to do things men like to do, I have quite a few masculine traits, and I'm a plumber. But on the other hand, I do respect women that really like to immerse themselves in the femininity. Just sometimes ends up being a double-edged sword, doesn't it?

[OneLittleFrog]

I feel like I've stumbled into a Mormon Wives' circle.

I'm a woman going on 60, and I have two wonderful, intelligent, and caring adult children. Their father died when they were young and I raised them myself ---- and I know this will rankle you to no end, but I did a damn good job of it. I was regularly hit with the kind of prejudicial crap I'm reading above. I worked hard to support my family, and yep, I made sure I got paid as much as my male co-workers. Gee, I guess that makes me a terrible person in your world, doesn't it?

...just respect everyone's choices and positions.

Thank you, Beth. You're a gem of reason as always.

[aroundthetable]

I'm all for choice, especially when it comes to women fighting against abuse, sarcasm, belittling, taunts etc. I still think everyone is becoming more diluted tho, something beautiful is being eroded. Hey Bethany, glad you carved a career for yourself, must have its challenges.

[Vajdan]

I'm a woman going on 60, and I have two wonderful, intelligent, and caring adult children. Their father died when they were young and I raised them myself ---- and I know this will rankle you to no end, but I did a damn good job of it.
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Gee, I guess that makes me a terrible person in your world, doesn't it?

Certainly not in MINE, wow, I can't even imagine how it must have been to lose the one you love and then have to do it all alone, you have my deepest respect for that, way to go.

[Odah]

The silly thing is when you look at it the America of the 50's and 60's that we classify as the way things should be .. was a heavily marketed vision. Even in pre depressions America Before there was a middle class. Both mom and dad had to work.. dad did heavy lehgbor dirty jobs and mom clean houses or even took care of other people children well they did higher paying work.

Then you had the little ones who began working as early as they could to help the family. and that was in city life. most people still lived on farms and did dawn to dusk work there. it was the depression and the dust bowl that changed america.. and post world war 2 marketing of the american dream . The iconic life was sold for the generation that fought ww2 it was a prise for winning the war.

Granted i have my twisted ways of looking at history.. The late 40's to early 60's was the break from the norm not the norm.

[aroundthetable]

The silly thing is when you look at it the America of the 50's and 60's that we classify as the way things should be .. was a heavily marketed vision. Even in pre depressions America Before there was a middle class. Both mom and dad had to work.. dad did heavy lehgbor dirty jobs and mom clean houses or even took care of other people children well they did higher paying work.

Then you had the little ones who began working as early as they could to help the family. and that was in city life. most people still lived on farms and did dawn to dusk work there. it was the depression and the dust bowl that changed america.. and post world war 2 marketing of the american dream . The iconic life was sold for the generation that fought ww2 it was a prise for winning the war.

Granted i have my twisted ways of looking at history.. The late 40's to early 60's was the break from the norm not the norm.

Seems like as good a way of looking at history as others. I for one am no luddite and i dont hark for ye good olde days because as you suggested they never really existed. But something is amiss i feel. Or maybe i'm just plain wrong.

[Vajdan]

Oh geez...I hear you on that one......

My next door neighbor has 3 kids under 12 that she homeschools (big credit for that....I hs my sixteen yr old) she's one of those "helicopter" parents...constantly hovering over her kids. They are involved in a dozen differetn activities....always going somewhere....she spends her live in her minivan. Then she has the GALL to complaiin to me all the time that she never gets anything done! Helloooo......you did it to yourself! Let your kids play outside once in a while and let them be kids...you had 'em, deal with it!

Heheh, yep, a textbook example of the vicarious living through one's children, imho.
Ever notice how the middle ground often gets lost?
It's either forcing them into becoming the perfect paper-doll-cutout kid that you want, or letting them run amok like a hellion, but not much in between anymore. Either kids never get to be themselves ("be kids" as Odah put it), or they're allowed to be raving brats who get away with anything (you see them in Wal-Mart all the time, screaming & cussing out their moms).
When did this era of extremes become the norm, I wonder? Kids used to be valued and functioning members of the family, now they're like their own circus, yipes, poor tykes.

[OneLittleFrog]

wow, I can't even imagine how it must have been to lose the one you love and then have to do it all alone, you have my deepest respect for that, way to go.

In truth, we did just fine. My kids learned a long time ago that JOY doesn't require a hefty price tag. With mom, daughter and son always looking out for each other and supporting each other, we became quite a formidable unit. I know that's not an acceptable definition of 'family' for some people, but it's worked well for us!

[edina]

I suspect this is one of the areas of humanity that has been selected for the concept of divide and conquer.

I've lived this discussion from just about every angle. In the end, it is like so much else we experience in our modern manufactured culture, there can be, and is, a case made for just about every POV that exists.

And in my opinion, none of them resolve the pain that most of us often feel from living in the illusion of a world instead of the natural reality of our world.

Family is best done in the bonds of love, true love, rather than the ideas and images of love someone is continually trying to sell us.

The bond, the heartfelt sense of connection, no matter what the form a family takes, seems to me to be the soulution regardless of what we think the problem is.

How do we reach out to each other, in ways that become meaningful to each other, so we feel held in the arms of our mutual love, respect, trust, understanding, beauty,... ?

I've discovered it is far more powerful to live what I stand for, than to rage against what I stand against. It just seems to carry more meaning to me, and I see more of the results I want to see... people loving people.

[Ross]

I would think economics plays a pretty big role in how this all unfolded. People need 2 incomes to just get by these days. And even sometimes that's not enough. People have been force fed the American dream, then bought into it. There's just so many factors, and so many of them are deceiving.

And then this is just one more thing to make women feel guilty. I'm all for letting people do whatever the hell ya like. If you want to work, work. If you don't, don't. Then just respect everyone's choices and positions.

I don't have children, not what I'm here to do. But I do have much respect for people who have chosen to. My two cents anyways.

I have kids due to the fact I have a Penis...and thank the universe I have one and that it did its job...still cant believe I was part of the equation that produced such fine stock

[Odah]

The real scary thing is that if you look at hyper parenting around the world and you look at how zero tolerance policies are implemented in school around the us.. Parents today are training their kids to live in a highly controled and managed police state. and the schools are showing that any slip up and we will get you arrested .

there is no easy answer to this and it is hard to judge right and wrong because if you look back several decades ago .. and you have your church going mom and dad with their children . when you peel back the veneer and relize we have many of the problems with kids we do know because of certain things that went on behind the sceens. Thay people just never talked about.

[Vajdan]

I know that's not an acceptable definition of 'family' for some people, but it's worked well for us!

You and I both have something in common then: being belittled for how we've gone about our lives being closer with our families.

I don't understand how people would think they can talk down to you for it, though, you can't control it if someone close to you dies or not. People are just too silly I guess.

[noxon]

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[BowMan]

This is what you get when you live in a totalitarian state. Propaganda. You have an uneasy dissonance in your mind between the 'real you' and the you you think you should be. That version of you is put there by brainwashing. It's on tv all the time. Look how popular Desperate Housewives is. I know we all roll our eyes about it but it rates very highly. All the women show the outward signs of 'success' and yet hardly any of them seem to spend long hours working or having niggly little rows about a few dollars. It all looks so easy and attainable.
My wife shares with me her despair too at not being able to live 'the dream' and I know how much she sometimes angsts over it if she lets herself...I just remind her what we have got and usually that's 'human' qualities. Sometimes we squabble about 3 dollars seventy though like any other couple!!

[noxon]

combination
is one keyword

one combi
nation,

perhaps ..

[noxon]

propaganda (U need 5D NOW)

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more jokes on the twit and tattaer section
http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/forum...-Jibber-Jabber
unrelated jibber-jabber

[noxon]

two too, or more, more

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