EMVs Discovered by Dr Bergrun and the Solar Threat Explained by James Horak, Torzbc, OmetaOne

[WhiteStar]

PLEASE READ THIS FIRST

An explanation to all Nexus 2012 members and visitors

James Horak was a brief member of Project Avalon Forum run by Bill Ryan, until his lack of supervision and poor moderation from Paul and constant interference from a few dis-respectful members became unbearable and pointless to continue. Ryan has NEVER made any apology to James Horak for allowing this poison to continue, even though both JH and I warned him of this destruction being caused to the Project Avalon Community. Alarmingly, Bill Ryan and his New moderation 'team' are now removing and BANNING long serving members like 'GOLDENYEARS' who has supported him at both Project Camelot and Project Avalon for many years, simply because she expressed 'thanks' to two posts, made by other members, which questioned Ryans integrity.

NOTE: The events above, occurred AFTER Richard, Celine, several moderators and good members had LEFT Project Avalon and were building the New Nexus 2012 Forum here, which MANY good members from Avalon are now moving to.

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First a Message from James Horak To Everyone.

the following message was posted to Project Avalon members and copied from here

I post this so that the people on those threads I've started and the one other I've been on know that I am in no way capitulating to the rank little hit artists that proliferate from out of every popular forum's woodwork when a discussion takes on any life they deem of challenge.

I came here in hopes of obtaining a discussion with "Charles" on the basis of many alternate view points to his, respectfully.

That desire will remain.

In order to better show myself to enhance that possibility I attempted to advance certain subjects of conversation and typically found that circumventing an unintelligible opposition took up more time than showed profit in pursuing purpose.

To those that I have befriended here, please know you are precious to me and the value I place on my time is nothing to that which I place on your value, not just to me but to a world in crisis.

But I will post no more here*. JCH

(referring to Project Avalon*)

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[WhiteStar]

The Time for Sleep is over Human Race

Assuredly we are all interested in surviving this planet and its inhabitants passed this crisis; one which compels all our awareness to even comprehend.

EMVs are not sentient in ways that communicate to those possessed of divided consciousness.

Words are of absolutely no benefit, only feelings and visions, unperplexed by the ambivalence associated with minds here.

I am not an ET. I have dealt with ETs but we keep our distance over the issue of earth and its people. Having stepped away from exercising what was expected of me by ET emissaries from worlds that view earth as problematic, I am regarded as having "gone native".

They feel that by trafficking with EBEs and by an inordinate and pathological resistance to change, the inevitability is one of counter-evolutionary threat. On the other hand, I look at EBEs as a complexity forgiving somewhat mankind's persistance to retain social evils otherwise aberrant.

The time for discussion approaches an end. You will either clean up the mess and end the leadership of those responsible or this will end. It is all a matter of recognizing the reality of your situation and acting in concert along lines of moral determination.

The ETs have tried to reach Earth's leadership. Now it is up to you to find leadershp that can be reached.

The sleep is over.

JCH

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An Ultimatum to TPTB



Uploaded by HANDofGODproduction on 13 Feb 2011
by James C. Horak
http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com/

Welcome Listeners...
The Time for Sleep is Over...

I want the NWO, the 'PTB' (the 'Powers That Be') to know that they're going to have to go deep into the ground like rats. Then, I want to, whenever its set up and primed tell them, "Go ahead and do it".. You'll all be in one place or several one places, you'll be, by the fact that you're there, you have lost your right to survive and you will be eliminated. Yes, you can go to your holes: like rats. And by the process of elimination being there that's what you are and you will be eliminated and the reason is because of the rot that's here and the fact that evolution is about to take its total steps. One way or the other it's come down to it, either we get rid of them or they get rid of all of us including themselves. This situation requires a lot more consideration and maybe even intervention. We can give these bastards something to think about, I guarantee you that they will be eliminated before the entire planet will be. They will know that they moved against in their last gasp, they will know they've done wrong. They will know that, that's what I intend.

Its come down to a point where as I see what's going on I want these creatures to experience the fear and loathing that they are putting on people I care about and I'll throw it back on them because that's what going to happen. In fact the whole point of these demonstrations and of EMVs appearing where they do is to say "Hey, you're not the ultimate decision maker here, you better wise up to that because if you think you are going to get away with this ❤❤❤❤... You know, Nobody wants a neighbour like you that will do what your kind is doing to your own NO!"

Well thanks to the net, thanks to people like you, thanks to everything that has gone on, there has been an ample demonstration of Humanity on this planet having a spiritual awareness and the ability, groups right now probably make up hundreds of thousands of people who have awakened fully. I mean they haven't just half way awakened they have fully awakened and they realise that unmitigated greed is its own undoing, only thing is the people who are caught up in it haven't and may never. The minute that I can get out what I told about the rats in the hole then those that are will know what they are supposed to do.

On one hand I don't want people to feel this is being done for them but that its not being done for them because they still have their part to play and if they don't play it we are looking at another star, If they resist and they give an expression of growth that is undeniable through that resistance that there is something substantial to offer in the way of leadership to replace what's gone and a trend that is promising of a higher level of awareness and values, YEH they will survive... otherwise... but my point in saying this is to let these bastards know the fear and loathing they are imposing on their victims, they are going to share in.

You've got people that are mind set and they are trying to make themselves feel good that Christ is going to deliver them in the second coming and save them from themselves and the fact of the matter is they haven't got knowledge. What they've got is repetition over and over again, singing hymns, reading psalms blah blah blah. What a ❤❤❤❤ing waste of a life. 'I know you can't jump the hurdle but have faith, have faith.' uhuh... Its people's tolerance of evil that ❤❤❤❤s things up, If you have a strong moral core the first teaching is that: I will limit whatever I may be doing whatever I may be trying to do. I will limit any harm that I do to people, residual to the effects of my intentions.

If I made the corrections to the fields of science to pertain to astrophysics that within 20 years I could have you going to the stars but you know I wouldn't now. I wouldn't and the reason is, which I'll tell you is, I don't want them to feel more comfortable in being able to have options that they haven't got now, like removing their ass out of what they are creating. Evil never wins out,

Evil never wins out. Nothing more short sighted, you've got all these people and you have the interest of so few being considered in the grand scheme of things. Not gonna win out (Deep laugh) Oh that's an interesting phase... (laughs).

James C. Horak

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Norman Bergrun Speaking About The Ring Makers Of Saturn



Uploaded by slushpup62 on 10 Jun 2010

Rare Interview With Norman Bergrun Speaking About The Ring Makers Of Saturn

Combined effort by Marduk 2012, Slushpup, and The Ufology Network

Learn More Here..
http://theufologynetwork.freeforum.c...hp?p=3841#3841

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EMVs - Electro Magnetic Vehicles in the Corona of the Sun Pt.1



EMVs in the Corona of the Sun and the Rings of Saturn - James Horak explains Pt.2




EMVs - Designers of the Solar System - James Horak speaks - Pt.3




EMVs - The Final Decision - James Horak speaks - Pt.4



Uploaded by OmetaOne on 7 Sep 2010
Visit also: http://emvsinfo.blogspot.com

Humanity on this planet is dynamic, for all its faults. Great writers, poets, artists and performers taking the expression of their genre constantly to new heights. That lineage is too precious to lose but poised above all this are the mindless power grabbers who won't be content until they possess even the souls of those they've already begun to plunder in mind and body.

If you only knew how much effort I've put into averting the madness that would turn a world into a place where no one would wish to live! To have seen it over and over again but like some residue of the past kept it all in this inevitable cycle, knowing full well this is not the way it has to be.

The social engineers, trying to implement a monstrosity, the New-World-Order, are following the Armageddon-scenario, the Revelations, like a script, because they think implementing the New-World-Order, it will lend them power.

The social-engineers opportunize the faithful, they would think that this was the second coming and think their belief in Christ alone is all they need, they would relax and expect to be delivered and resign themselves instead of doing something about the tasks that were being put upon them and that makes them very easily eaten up.

So there're inevitable illusions to everything and Revelations is to be taken with a pinch of salt, it's not cast in stone. Prophecy is useful for shaking people up to look in the direction of inevitability and nothing to be superstitious over.

The important thing is for people is to WAKE UP, to see what's going on around them. The consciousness that can pool just from awareness can make a difference for the populous of the world to see what it is that is really manifesting this evil.

There's so many people that are waiting to come forward and they would if they knew they had the support and protection of people, so that when they risk themselves they'll have the full support of everyone that would be victimized.

Examine everything objectively with an expectation of your own rights being respected and adhered to and with the law being imposed upon all equally, for the social contracts that the people have with their governments to be upheld and that corruption be ended and punished. These are all things you already know.

The level of deception is on such a scale that if you said, "Why don't these other people in other countries who are in leadership roles, know what is going on?", I would tell you that there are plenty of people here in leadership roles that don't know the truth about what is going on. People in NASA and JPL know the truth about what is going on, they are working on agendas that are counter to 95 percent of the people on Earth, counter to these peoples interests, maybe even their survival. They know there is no alien threat. It will help them to implement a feudal system that will run the world to suit the elite.

Well, the H1N1-virus vaccinations were part of it by introducing diseases that can opportunize physical systems in individuals that have already been reduced by pollution, by seeding and by just the fact that your food-supplies aren't safe anymore. All the wrong paths have been taken. Earth-bound humanity is about to devour itself, about to place technology in a mindless attempt to control people, to control their minds, to control their motives, to control everything about them and to eventually interface them all with a computer and this is not allowable and when some of the schemes that've already have been and noted of very powerful policy-makers, begin to take shape and become implemented, this experiment will end.

Until you overcome certain cycles of certain repetitive redundancies that are what are called the wrong path, you are looked upon as not completely manifested, the petri dish is beginning to smell, that sort of thing. You must go backwards to find the right path from the point where the wrong one was taken.

If I could say that I had found one example of correcting the flaw in humanity on this planets consciousness, it would be a whole new ballgame. But I can't. You have no idea how I have tried to find a way to make people try to build a model of unified consciousness and how miserably I've failed. I worked with several people and I've had them to the point where they're fed up with being ambivalent, they're fed up with this weakness, this frailty and somehow they fall back into that ambivalence.

I will say this and I don't care whether people take this metaphysically or literally or as a leap in physics - if you perfect a model of anything, even if it's only in your mind you can manifest it.

Most of all, nothing has any meaning or purpose to survive that has no moral core.

I know I have a history and there is a pattern to it and I've been through this many times before.
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For the full text go to http://www.om-page.de/EMVs.html

[WhiteStar]

24th April 2011, 6:00 PM

EDT (11PM BST)

EMV's - Designers of the Solar System

James Horak

James Horak was born October 14th 1943 New Mexico.

James reveals to us the objects in the Corona of the Sun photographed by NASA/ESA.

In deference to James describes the EMVs (Electro Magnetic Vehicles) and explains Humanities Call on this Planet Now.

Currently living in Fort Worth, Texas he was retired with full honours from the US Navy due to "Unusual" circumstances arising from incidents with UFO's at Sasebo Harbour 1962.

James is a contributor to various online forums offering explanations for anomaly and gives solutions for solving our current crisis here on Earth.

The wealth and depth of information he freely shares can only be equated to a walking/talking history book.

Join me and Co Host, Torz Baron Copley, as we discuss EMVs and what drives them, UFOs, alien races, the state of our planet, New World Order.

Is there a breathable atmosphere on Mars, did humans live there in our distant past?

How much information has be hidden from us concerning our solar system and wider universe.

Regardless of your thoughts and ideas about these subjects, I'm sure you'll enjoy this engrossing discussion.


The interview below was broadcast on
Sunday 24th April 2011, 6:00 PM EDT (11PM BST)
6pm GMT

click here to visit the radio show online 'THE EDGE AM'

[Richard]

The first posts all are conjecture and speculation and offer no hard evidence of anything from what i see.
I can comment on the solar images as it is something I know a little about.
Artifacts in the images from SOHO and STEREO are common and due to many different reasons. As soon as I hear of some net prophet claiming the images are proof of fleets of ships amassing in our system they lose all credibility IMO.

Lets take this image for instance..
imagesCA6EOCQY.jpg
Cosmic rays and solar energetic particles are highly energetic particles that travel through space. Some of these originate from the Sun. Others, known as galactic cosmic rays, come from outside the solar system. When they pass through the detectors, they produce thin bright spots or streaks. The high compression factors used for the temporary beacon images can cause cosmic ray events to be significantly distorted, as shown in the sample images below. Even the full resolution data have some compression applied to them, resulting in a small amount of distortion of the brightest cosmic rays.
As seen here:
cr_beacon.gif

here:
cr_full.gif

If this is what Horak calls proof he's playing on peoples ignorance or just not to bright himself.

[WhiteStar]

The first posts all are conjecture and speculation and offer no hard evidence of anything from what i see.

If this is what Horak calls proof he's playing on peoples ignorance or just not to bright himself.

Richard, you are forming an opinion on what you 'see'... you have said this yourself.

Have you studied any of the evidence here for more than one minute?

Taking a quick glance through the material presented here will not teach you anything Richard and you may find yourself remaining ignorant of something vitally important at this time.

You cannot 'see' any evidence because you have not listened to, or cannot understand the information presented in the videos.

Have you read the book by Dr Bergrun, or do you have any clues about James Horak's background.

I have no problem with sceptics, we are all different and we are all at various stages of understanding, but when they judge someone else without bothering to do a little research first and can only throw stones or insults, I see no point in trying to help them or argue with them.

[WhiteStar]

Friday, 24 September 2010

Dr. Norman Bergrun and The Ring Makers of Saturn

About Dr. Bergrun

Dr. Norman Bergrun is an alumnus of Ames Research Laboratory, NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) predecessor of Ames Research Center, NASA where he worked twelve years as a research scientist. At Ames, he pioneered the setting of design criteria for airplane thermal ice-prevention and the developing of roll stability laws for airplanes, missiles and rockets.

He joined Lockheed Missiles and Space Company (now Lockheed Martin) where he was manager of the planning and analysis of flight tests for the Navy Polaris Underwater Launch Missile System. During his thirteen years at Lockheed, he also served as a senior scientist having responsible analysis cognizance of special space-satellite applications. After a short tour of duty with Nielsen Engineering and Research, in 1971 he founded Bergrun Engineering and Research, parent of Bergrun Research founded in 1999 especially for world wide web activities.

An Associate Fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronauics (AIAA), he is active as a leader in Congressional Visits Day events on Capitol Hill. As Deputy Director-at-Large for the AIAA western region, he overlooks section activities in seven western states. Other memberships include The Planetary Society, The Association for the Advancement of Science, The Aviation Hall of Fame, the National Society of Professional Engineers, the Federation of American Scientists and the Scientific Faculty, International Biographical Centre, Cambridge, England.

Bergrun holds a BSME degree from Cornell University, an LLB from LaSalle University Extension, a DSc (Hon) from World University and a California Professional Engineer (PE) License. He also has engaged in graduate aerospace studies at Stanford University. He is a founder of the California Society of Professional Engineers Education Foundation, is author of two books Tomorrow's Technology Today and Ringmakers of Saturn and has published over 100 papers. Two recent manuscripts, Lunar Life Forms: Revelations of Apollo 14 and Mars Puts on a Good Face: The Masquerade, have been registered with the Library of Congress, Washington, D. C. He has lectured in the United States, Canada, England and Europe.
Readers can find more information about Dr. Bergrun and how to order his book by visiting the website:
http://www.ringmakersofsaturn.com/

Ring Makers of Saturn Testimonial written by James Horak.


"To see what is in front of us for what it is, when constrainment, both professional and alternative, abide no tolerance for close examination, requires the very rare virtues of Galileo Galilee, the courage of Lewis and Clark, the devotion to science of Copernicus.

When a thing echoes convention and, at least, follows traces of already acquired perceptions little risk is taken to point out discovery. But when no ground is laid, when the slightest ramification seems beyond all matter of known manifestation...purpose, mechanism, ultimate extents are all outside the wildest of imaginations... then the very dynamics of true observation require the grandest virtues. And demand some of the deepest felt of sacrifice, sadly.

Dr. Norman Bergrun elegantly qualifies, making the most astounding and significant of discoveries on a scale no man before him has witnessed. He has brought forth new thresholds upon which man must confront literally every equation upon which all the assumptions of an
organic Universe have been made and sustained unto the present. The relationship of the EMVs to the "finishing points" of unfinished rings about Saturn suggested dynamics no one ever thought possible. Dr. Bergrun expressed these potentials, allowing significance where lesser men would falter. Knowing full well how these would fly in the face of convention, even cosmology, favored as well by religions as by science.

But, most of all, removing the burdens placed upon chronology of solar system event along lines of exaggerated time. The EMVs sustain energy levels beyond what we can account purpose to. Until academic communities address the many possibilities the EMVs represent in their interactions with planets and the evidence of their presence throughout the solar system, we will have no abiding claim to truth seeking, but merely a denial of a priest caste protecting a notion as if it were a demigod. I say this in all sincerity, that those today who will not hear out Dr. Bergrun, would have been enemies of the great Galileo Galilee in his day. But judge that for yourself...fairly."

JAMES HORAK
Researcher of Anomaly and
Contributor to Various Online Forums



Norman Bergrun's "The Ringmakers of Saturn" is the inspiration for this video of the mysterious rings of Saturn. The big 3 amigo's on ATS (mikesingh, zorgon, and internos) have each added enormous effort of personal research on this subject, by gathering up to date Cassini satellite imagery that is showing some very interesting anomalies on and around the ringed planet.

Video courtesy of Youtube member Trippy123

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this page reproduced from Torz blog here

[WhiteStar]

Wednesday, 22 September 2010

Biography written by James Horak Part 1

James Horak 1978

James Horak. Born October 14, 1943 in Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Came to Texas with mother, her cousin and brother in the summer of 1947. UFO experience while on the way near N. Mexico/Texas state line.

Mother remarries and settles in Dublin, Texas.

At six, just before beginning school, have strange experience in movie theater.

Right after starting school have life threatening hit and run in a school zone.

At seventeen enter the United States Navy boot camp at San Diego. While there, suffer ptomaine poisoning. Untreated, effects of hyperinsulinism last a decade.

Shortly after going aboard ship, the USS Haleakala, am notified by mother that my grandfather is dying and take emergency leave. On way back to ship meet Rinn Clark during layover in Albuquerque, N. Mexico. He foretells of event in Japanese bay.

After poor performance in ET school and disciplinary action dropped from school and sent to USS Kennebec that is just starting the Pacific Cruise. At Hawaii, suffer blood condition.

Just before Christmas, 1962, involved in an UFO event onboard ship in Sasebo Harbor, Japan.

Sent to Akuska Naval Hospital, incidents cause rapid removal to stateside on MATS jet with 7-8 heavily bandaged marines. Strange incident.

Land in Long Beach California and am taken to AFB hospital where am placed in coed ward with officers. Then quickly flown across country to the Philadelphia Naval Hospital. Strange experiences.

Medical discharge and return home and soon began looking for work. Code on DD-214 makes finding good job impossible. Go to VA to complain and end up at Fort Lyons, Colorado for assessment. Determined to be 100% service-connected disabled. This is in 1965. Start school and meet first wife at TCU. We move to Lansing, Michigan and begin attending MSU in East Lansing. She has a teaching assistantship in the Comparative Literature Dept. I finish off a B.A. and enter grad school in the Canadian/American Relations Dept. She finishes her Masters and my department is closed down and I see no further interesting goals to pursue at MSU. Canada has refused me immigration status when I am invited by my former department head to follow him to Dalhousie University in the Marine Provinces. Wife and I move to South Central Ohio and live in the country between Xenia and Wilmington. She is teaching French at Central State University. While there I have first communication with a resident UFO in the area of the now Caesar Creek Reservoir. Locals are terrified by this craft's regular appearance but will not speak of it.

1972, wife and I split. I come back to Fort Worth and begin research and studies in grad program at TCU. VA decides they were wrong about my remaining elgibility and I drop out.

1973, begin research in mineralogy and begin work on The Theory of the Fusion of Metals. Decide the computer programs at that time make applications required impossible to achieve results I want. Learned the extent Defense mainframes were unable while at MSU. (By the time computers were adequate decided I did not want to aid the dubious goals of present space exploration of the planet.)

1974, began prospecting and staked claims on the Gunnison River just west of Delta, Co and assessed the Rupert Wasson patent claims on the Delores River in Utah. Discovered an EMV operation nearby and had my first interaction in this time frame with “magnitude” beings with which I had historically a long lineage of affinity.

1975, determined that the Golden Formation was of the same mineral wealth of platinum group metals as its contiguation in the Laurentian Shield of Canada. Found the presence of high grade ore and veins in the Rattlesnake Hills of Yakima, Washington.

1976, married second wife.

1978, divorced second wife, married third wife.

1979, began running smelter in Dallas for Hancock Chemical and started working for USPS, divorced third wife.


Continued.......

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reproduced from Torz blog here

[WhiteStar]

He seems to like to marry women and divorce 2 or 3 years later heh i am sorry mate but that to me speaks volumes about one's character i will reserve my opinions on it for the time being.

Funny you say that, this is what I posted when I read this...

Dear James,
it is very encouraging to hear that for one who is ABOVE the 33,

your experiences with the female gender proves you are also 'grounded' in this 'reality', like us all.

I look forward to your teachings and wisdom.
WS
18 February 2011 19:54

[WhiteStar]

Wednesday, 22 September 2010

Biography written by James Horak Part 2




James Horak 2006


1980, another inspired piss at the stars and married fourth wife.

1982, divorced fourth wife and rebounded yet again upon another hapless victim, my final and fifth dubious pasttime, unfortunately lasting 12 years until she went completely insane under the tutelage of Rick McLaren and his renegade faction of the Republic of Texas.

Throughout 1980 to 1982 saw UFOs and mothmen frequently en route to work in Fort Worth from home in Newark, Texas. Became aware of criminal activities for the first time taken place at Kenneth Copeland's International Ministries near where I lived.

1985, run across the niece of Renn Clark and find out he is the MIB I met in Albuquerque in 1961 while returning to my ship from emergency leave.

1985, late, take wife to site in Utah to recover her from cancer. Incident with Mormons and a number of visits to ridge canyon where are the EMVs late at night.

1995, separation from last wife and divorce. She and Rick McLaren begin to factionalize the Republic of Texas and one Arthur Griesacker, a Mossad agent, schools them in printing phony treasury warrants they begin to spend as cash. Eventually they lease a Lear jet and fly to Israel in order to sell $2.8 billion worth to the Zionist faction of the government. Strange, strange series of events in and around this time.

1996, work with federal government agencies to bring peaceful conclusion to Davis Mountain siege. Begin research and writing on internet. Read Dr. Norman Bergrun's Ringmakers of Saturn of undertake supporting him in every way possible.


1997, Begin developing a methodology to teach unified consciousness. Acquired two students that undertake the study to have one become an excellent poet and the other to penetrate Dr.Bergrun's trust and to betray it by working with someone in NASA to feed the scientist doctored images for raw while my former student was set up to discredit him.

1999, work to defeat implementation of the New World Order. Exchange information with a CIA researcher who wants my information on the Aurora Crash from the nineteenth century. He has to cut ties with me when he gets in trouble researching my questions about Kenneth Copeland.

2000, work to defeat implementation of the New World Order a third time.

2001, begin to participate in various anomaly, UFO, mind-control forums for research and exchange of ideas. Temper what I know to the levels of credibility I find on each and begin to try and discuss EMVs, the helium paradox, distinguishing between ETs and EBEs and revealing the conspiracy growing into a New World Order.

2004, begin to publish articles online, eventually several on UFO Digest. Belong to UFO Updates but get banned twice. Never for any impropriety on my part.

2008, am asked by Brazilian ufologist, Milton Frank to write my bio for his magazine and website, answering a number of questions he poses.

2010, am induced to give interviews on the Kevin Smith Show and accept doing so only because of the show's recent interest in the EMVs SOHO imagery displayed in the sun. Back in 2000 I had first told The Millennium Group, an assortment of amateur astronomers, that as Hale-Bopp passed the sun on its second trip through the system, they would detect enormous objects in the sun interacting with the solar flares. The latest development from the SOHO images existed ONLY because SOHO was not under the control of either NASA or JPL (because ESA had a hand in this). Just as these two agencies had been disingenuous in how they portrayed Shoemaker-Levy, they would have done the same with their own probes and satellite imagery detecting EMVs and repeatedly had.

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Posted by Torz Baron-Copley here

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UFO ALERT Incredible Alien Spacecraft near the Sun, SPECIAL ANALYSIS, HD.mp4



Uploaded by supergia007 on 3 Feb 2011


ufo ALERT Incredible Alien Spacecraft near the Sun, SPECIAL ANALYSIS
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/...me-images.html

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BE LOVE - PEACE


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thanks to Whitehaze for this link

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EMV's - Giant UFO's Charging By The Sun.mp4



Uploaded by supergia007 on 4 Dec 2010

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordp...ant-ufos-charg... EMV's - Giant UFO's Charging By The Sun, Electro Magnetic Vehicles in the Corona of the Sun - Ovnis g?ants de chargement par le soleil, EMVS - Electro v?hicules magn?tiques dans la couronne du Soleil - OVNIS gigantes de carga por el sol, VEMs - Electro Magn?tica veh?culos en la corona del Sol - 不明飛行物被太陽巨大

[Northern Boy]

The time for discussion approaches an end. You will either clean up the mess and end the leadership of those responsible or this will end. It is all a matter of recognizing the reality of your situation and acting in concert along lines of moral determination.

yup exactly

[multieagle]

I have refrained from replying to these Horak missives, even though I have the right to do so, as he totally misrepresented my involvement in the early Internet days of Bergrun's Ringmakers. In fact, I assisted in the preparation of a couple of his presentations, including his Life on the Moon crap. Soon I shall publish on my website the true sequence of events leading up to my parting ways with both Bergrun and Horak.

'Nuff said for now.

[magamud]

yup exactly

I agree...

Its really simple. The moment of being in your own timespace decodes the major BS that is going on. You are a Merkaba that blasts the falseness away. The problem comes because extraterrestrials want to support and learn this essential program but in doing so you get involved in "their drama". This is the alpha and omega, resurrection, ascension. You teach the cosmos...... Yes?

[Torz]

Tibbles... I wondered how long it would be before they BOUGHT you out of retirement. Sloppy work... the timing is very telling.
Your kind of mis/dis/mal-info, after the recent infiltration of Avalon... is NOT welcome here. These people here know I live, eat and sleep a MORAL CORE. My MORAL OUTRAGE at outright liars is notorious among some of my fellow Nexians, many of which are very good friends. No matter what you say or do, it will only delay the inevitable... the downfall of your paymasters...
Now crawl back under the rock you came from and enjoy the rest of your days peacefully.

1997, Begin developing a methodology to teach unified consciousness. Acquired two students that undertake the study to have one become an excellent poet and the other to penetrate Dr.Bergrun's trust and to betray it by working with someone in NASA to feed the scientist doctored images for raw while my former student was set up to discredit him.

My fellow honest members of Nexus, I present to you proof of Gordon Tibbles/Multieagle's betrayal of Dr.Bergrun, NOT from James Horak but from Dr.Bergrun and his personal assistant Kasey Daukas

I have at my disposal ALL the documented evidence from the parties involved to prove your betrayal of the esteemed Dr. Bergrun, would you like me to post it ALL here... or just enough to let you know I don't play games with punks.

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Feb 01, 2003 04:09 PST
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Upon receipt of this e-mail, permission to use all material submitted by me
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Gordon,
The only contacts you've mentioned you had with either NASA or JPL were those
you made through us. And they all seem puzzled by your behavior. Is there
someone we don't know about? Someone that's afraid of OUR discovering them?
My, that's a switch.

What a web we weave when first we deceive.

Your betrayal of trust is so evident. That it is has become increasingly
evident to everyone that is paying attention. I have sat back watching you
massage yourself on this list all at the expense of a good mans reputation.
That man is Norman Bergrun. You are not a good man Gordon, but then, you do
not strive to be a good man. Do you view goodness as a weakness? I ask you
this question because for about 6 months now, you have kicked Bergrun's name
around inflicting one tiny stab mark after another with your keyboard without
a care. This has turned out to be "all about you" at what cost? You are a
snake and cannot be trusted and should not be trusted. I doubt you can trust
yourself Gordon.

I can't image what it must be like to be you. I've come forward now to tell
you how shameful your behavior has been. I was going to stay out of this,
hoping you would stop on your own...instead, you picked up speed.

Pretty twisted behind that facade you presented to us. Oh, and how difficult
for you this became, as you fought the unraveling of your own soul, while
this list observed your betrayal and disingenuous search for your truth.

Gordon, you are aware that AFTER 1986 the year Ringmakers of Saturn was
published, the many differences in images having the same series numbers
might be accounted for that they had been intentionally confused. Not just
from Voyager either. Image numbers keep undergoing new sets and series of
numbers with no cross referencing which sometimes make images almost
impossible to find, because as you know, you MUST have the correct number to
order what you want. The Apollo Missions are the best example of smoke and
mirrors when it relates to images changing their numbering system. There is
never a guide or instruction made available ....and now you play with this
one image that you think you know all about.

You didn't know as much as you claimed on this list did you Gordon. Bergrun
shared some of his research regading that image! Low and behold....your image
had a few details that did not make your accusations stand up. So, now you
labor alone, or most likely with others trying to make this all fit no matter
how hard you must shove and press.

You know Gordon, Bergrun did not know about your betrayal a week or so ago
when you were shown more information...If he had you never would have seen it
until you presented what your evidence was. He would have trumped you, right
here on the very list that you abused him on. You got really lucky that time.
I personally can hardly wait for you to back that mouth of yours. Where is
your evidence Gordon? Either you have it or you don't. And if you have it and
you were correct in your accusations as you professed, then what caused your
proof to suddenly need work on "details"?

Your so called evidence to discredit Bergrun should have been made available
for the same scrutiny you dish out. It will be though..as soon as you "fix"
those details. The reason I can hardly wait Gordon, is because Bergrun was
quite motivated once he learned of your lies and betrayal...yup, he invested
the time and you ain't seen nothing yet... next time you play with someone's
career and reputation, you might take a glance at your own.

What Dr. Bergrun can justifiably stand on, is his work with those thousands
of raw images showing behavior patterns of the anomalies demonstrating
support for his findings. What you seem to want to discount on the basis of very little...in
the quantitative scheme where Dr. Bergrun has amassed a great deal.
Of course sometimes one must defer to experts and you clearly are not
one. Or else you would bear these considerations in mind when you so
injudiciously attack a man's credibililty with so little...especially when
you seem only willing to do this out of his ear shot.

Why such deception? Don't tell me that that is any way to discover the truth.

Kacey Daukas
Going Where The Data Take Us

[multieagle]

I was never a member of Avalon. It was drawn to my attention that slanderous material had been posted, and I took action through an intermediary. That is always an option when one is slandered based only upon speculation and profound misinformation. You should keep that in mind.

Yes, the facts will speak loudly. You do understand that once material is submitted for publication to a news outlet, or publication, it cannot be withdrawn. That material remains in the public domain. You know as well as I the chronology of material contained in Bergrun's work and its relationship to NASA Voyager files. The images used in Ringmakers never existed as original Voyager I or II archives. All coloured images were "created" by NASA for specific purposes. That used by the author of Ringmakers was created for sole purposes of a news release. Besides, the electronic material stored in Anomalog archives was created by moi. In fact, the format of Bergrun's subsequent material used in his presentations was based upon them.

I have in my possession all DVD's containing the original Voyager images. They require a special program for viewing. All are basically black and white, taken through a variety of filters.

You may not know, and I care less, I offered to discuss and review my findings with Bergrun. He refused to continue contact with me, not the other way around. And not for the reasons regurgitated above. The chronology of events is self-evident. As will soon be revealed.

However, as remarked, let the data take us where it will.

Perhaps you could remove your 'true believer' goggles and reread the following. Should you need help understanding technicalities, please do advise.
http://www.anomalog.com/saturnrings.html

My conscience is clear.

[Icecold]

Go ahead and present your case multieagle. Put up old chap or shut your yap.

Evidence is a good thing. Talk is cheap.

[multieagle]

Wow, now that is an intelligent reply. The images speak for themselves. Mr. Bergrun could not have found the photo in his Ringmakers fiction, other than from the NASA editorial department. His image is a layered image produced from four original Voyager I images. The resulting overlay has been 'coloured'. I've laid out my case: http://www.anomalog.com/saturnrings.html You prove otherwise. Otherwise, eat your own adice.

[Icecold]

That's 'advice'.

BTW you are not attacking any theory of mine, therefore I don't have to present any evidence.

Following from which I do not need to take my own advice.

I've read your dissertation multieagle.


In my view that was a well constructed argument.....unless I am missing something.

I would like to see the counter argument and evidence.

Also I would like to see a forum discussion on the argument that you have presented.

I am not an expert on NASA imagery and there seems to be a question over the imagery.

Anybody?

[Torz]

I am but a messenger and have more important and evolving work to be concentrating on that is currently relevant. I will post to this thread no more. Good Day.

I appreciate Torz posting this for me on Nexus. Would that any of you had such a loyal and intelligent friend with which to share clarity. Maybe then you would understand how two people could be in such accord and one not be the subservient to the other.

Richard, you might observe that discussions identify me, what problem do you have with identifying a detractor operating under another name? He is Gordon Tibbles and we once shared a forum and website until he proved to be part of an effort to misrepresent the work of a scientist I respected and through which he met by me. He didn't do this after honorably separating from contact with Dr. Bergrun; he did this while posing as a friend and supporter. I had to be the one to notify the man and his associate of Gordon's treachery. And I endured losing confidence with Bergrun myself in the bargain.

I will not rebut or focus anymore time on this stalking scavenger and disgusting liar. Torz produced precise examples of his methods and that should suffice, from the very archives where this little drama took place. As she points out, they are the written words of both Dr. Bergrun and Kacey Daukas.

There is much more to establish my assertions that this man should not count one whit towards discrediting ANYONE.

By now, after this, and what transpired on Avalon, it should be obvious why I wash my hands of forums.

JCH

[multieagle]

Horak, once again you hide behind your followers. You have always been that way . . . bring a couple of adherents to your theories to a list, get everyone embroiled in distractive methodology, maybe pluck a few more adherents from the pack and move on to your next attack. What was it you once said, "Give me twelve good men and I'll change the world." We ae still waiting. No wait, that happened over 2000 years ago (our time, not yours).

[WhiteStar]

So let me see if I understand what your real reason is for complaining in here Gordon.

You are referring to an image or images which you believe were used by Dr Bergrun, in relation to the book he released called, 'The Ringmakers of Saturn'.

Your link suggest a date around 1995, which is sixteen years ago!

Is that it?

So exactly where does any of that sixteen year old argument fit into the facts that James Horak has spoken specifically of the EMV's and their interactions with our Sun, which are now clearly visible for anyone to observe in the many Youtube videos released?

Are you claiming the work of James Horak and his interpretations of these EMV's to be a lie, a conspiracy story simply invented by him?

Please explain yourself Gordon in a manner that is related to the information I have posted in this thread and not to a personal issue or argument you have with Dr Bergrun.

To my knowledge Dr Bergrun is not a member here, nor does he view these threads.