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    Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Okay, for those of you who want the shots...lets actually look at the various HAARP and VLF/ELF sites around the planet. We'll do this before we even get into what they do!

    Here is one near Groom Lake in Nevada:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...00368&t=h&z=18

    And here is one in India:
    http://khunnamob.hostignition.com/ba...ic-t834-75.htm

    And one in Australia:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...22988&t=h&z=13

    Does anyone even know what atoll this is??
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...00368&t=h&z=18

    I found this strange object near the China Research Institute of Radiowave Propagation (CRIRP). It looks like some sort of image artifact created by google??? : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...02944&t=h&z=15

    Here is the site itself: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...01472&t=h&z=16

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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Hi Albatros,

    I don't think you understand the concept of HAARP judging by the links you give which point to various sites around the globe. The HAARP transmitter is located in a Northern Hemisphere region where it beams UPWARDS to regions of the ionosphere where auroras normally occur.


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyUK View Post
    Hi Albatros,

    I don't think you understand the concept of HAARP judging by the links you give which point to various sites around the globe. The HAARP transmitter is located in a Northern Hemisphere region where it beams UPWARDS to regions of the ionosphere where auroras normally occur.

    Hi Fuzzy.. Welcome to Nexus. There are a lot of cool people here, and because you signed up you must be one of those too. Have fun here.

    With VERY due respect, I don't think YOU quite understand the capabilities of HAARP. We have been told that it is for beaming signals directly up into the atmosphere, specifically the ionosphere. Yes, it definitely could be used for that. BUT... I know you are an antenna guy [I know something about them but I'm more of a signal processing guy.] but you may not be aware of how ARRAYs of antennas are used. HAARP is an ARRAY of antennas. The reason for this is that if you send the same signal to each antenna in the array, and you use supercomputers to very precisely delay the signals arriving at different parts of the array, you cause the signals leaving the antennas to mix in the air, canceling and adding in very predictable and controllable ways. This allows you to very precisely focus the beams as well as steer them or sweep them 360 degrees around the area of the array and in a very wide arc, [I'm not sure if you can get as wide as 180 degrees] in a hemisphere over the array. Depending on the frequency transmitted you can precisely point that signal almost anywhere in the world by bouncing it off the ionosphere.

    You could use such a facility for almost anything. Weather control is one possible use for this. When you focus the beams from at least two of these sites on the same point you create effects in a small locality, caused by interferometry [Interference patterns that are created when two beams mix when they meet]. I know little about Scalar waves or Electro Gravitic waves or if harp or similar arrays or facilities are capable of transmitting them, but if they do, then the effects of scalar interferometry promise to be really bizarre. Tom Bearden has spoken about this before.

    The phased array radars you see on these flat panels on the front of high tech warships work in this way. This is how they can simultaneously track many targets in real time in all directions. And with very fast and precise signal analysis, they can analyze the returning signal and compare it's characteristics to a library of absorption spectra and instantaneously tell you exactly what the target is.

    Please feel free to correct me.


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Just the ones we know of:
    image001 38.jpg

    Ok, ok, I know what some say about Rense but check this out if you want to especially you FuzzzyUK,,,

    http://www.rense.com/general92/haarp.htm

    rense.com


    Possible HAARP Locations Around The World
    1-8-11


    Most people never even heard of HAARP, but fact is, HAARP installations exist and are most likely than not, responsible for a lot of foul weather and earthquakes in the past 15 years. Investigatek and you will find the facts. Or just stay ignorant and blissful. It's up to you.

    Your Country/family/friends/patriots, fellow human beings, nature and our Mother Earth need you to "WAKE UP". This weapon was brought into the world over a hundred years ago by Nikola Tesla and patented by Bernard Eastlund. US PATENT #4,686,605 http://crashrecovery.org/haarp/US-Pa...-4.686.605.pdf


    Note from Leuren Moret...

    1-8-11

    Hi Jeff...

    I identified the HAARP sites two years ago. They left some key ones out: Chile (HAARP earthquake as President was sworn in), Cyprus (Black Sea Storm), Dushanbe Tajikstan (Tien Shan gold belt), and ANTARCTICA - the most important one. Plus, they forgot all the Russian installations - more than any other country.

    Here are the main mining projects of Eurasian Mining Company inc. which are all located where mining riches are located "Bill Clinton Uranium Scandal"

    http://www.eurasianminerals.com/s/Home.asp

    started by Frank Giustra who flies around the world with Bill Clinton to secure mining contracts in these key places after Clinton introduces him to the Pres. of the country he wants to mine in.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/major...nton-ally-and-
    donor-in-kazakhstan-uranium-scandal-2009-5

    After the contracts are signed in each country, Giustra forks over $150 million to Clinton's foundation. Wasn't Clinton involved in Haiti, etc, etc, where all this mineral loot is?

    http://www.google.com/search?q=clint...m.microsoft:en
    -us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

    THE HAARP SITES ARE LOCATED GLOBALLY WHERE THE RICHEST MINERAL BELTS ARE LOCATED. SUBSURFACE MINERAL EXPLORATION HAS BEEN DONE FROM SATELLITES BY RADIOTOMOGRAPHY THAT IS 100% ACCURATE.
    image001 38.jpg

    On a side note? Why do the Mariana Islands always come to mind when I think of this stuff... Albatross? : )

    Peace 2U All Fuzzy n warm. ; )

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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara View Post
    Just the ones we know of:
    image001 38.jpg
    No they are not Tamara. The only two ionospheric heating research stations on that map are the ones in Alaska and Norway. The rest are NOT.


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara View Post
    Just the ones we know of:
    image001 38.jpg

    Ok, ok, I know what some say about Rense but check this out if you want to especially you FuzzzyUK,,,

    http://www.rense.com/general92/haarp.htm

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    Most people never even heard of HAARP, but fact is, HAARP installations exist ....

    Tamara,

    There is a lot of hocus pocus talked about HAARP. First lets get it clear what HAARP stands for. It is a PROGRAM and stands for, 'The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program'. This particular research program is specifically named to the work undertaken at the Gakona site in Alaska and it is incorrect to assign the name of project HAARP to anywhere else in the world. The site at Gakona was chosen because - guess what - auroras take place in polar circle regions.

    A similar related program EISCAT (European Incoherent Scatter Scientific Association) is operated in Northern Norway, again located in a region where auroras take place. (Russia also had a similar project at one time; I am not sure whether this is active right now.)

    The auroral projects make use of high power radio frequency transmitters operating within a limited (HF) frequency range to temporarily excite a selected area of the ionosphere and the ABSORPTION of such radio waves causes ionospheric heating. It is these artificially induced effects and the collected data that is of interests to scientists. The amount of energy induced in the ionosphere is far, far lower than the amount of energy that is bombarded down from the sun on a daily basis.

    The bone of contention with conspiracy theorists - who do not seem to have one iota of knowledge about radio propagation phenomena - is that they believe substantial amounts of radio power are being REFLECTED and FOCUSED around various parts of the world thus causing this, that, and the other sorts of catastrophes. (A lot of the misunderstanding also orientates around the misinterpretation of some patents attributed to the physicist Bernard Eastlund, and by some alarmist authors with a vested interest in selling books).

    Getting back to the map you will see that the remaining sites listed around the world ARE NOT IN AREAS WHERE AURORAS TAKE PLACE. They are non related sites which are either astronomical telescopes, radar operating stations, etc, but they are not ionospheric heating stations such as the those used in polar circle auroral research projects.

    The map is a piece of propaganda which is circulating around the internet and taken grossly out of context.

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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Hocus pocus talked about HAARP,,
    Ok, whatever u want to think or believe is okay w/me.
    Not here to argue, just trying to get at the truth/facts...
    HAARP is REAL................IMO
    Peace Fuzzy
    Over and OUT.


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Hey Fuzzy..

    Because the word Auroral appears in the acronym, does that mean the the US govt uses that ARRAY for ONLY that purpose? I guess you believe that they ALWAYS tell you the truth huh?

    I have not looked at all the sites on the map but I know that MANY of the are ARRAYS, just like HAARP. What does that mean given how arrays can be used?

    I have to say though that I am not one of those idiots who is quick to blame HAARP if I have gas or I see a funny cloud in the sky. But weather control does exist, and these arrays could be used to facilitate it.


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    I have not looked at all the sites on the map but I know that MANY of the are ARRAYS, just like HAARP. What does that mean given how arrays can be used?

    Hi VajraYaya

    No, not all arrays are like HAARP. You have indicated that you have not looked at the map and therefore seem unaware of the PURPOSE of each research station, the frequencies used, as well as incorporated techniques.

    Take for instance the Jicamarca Radio Observatory (JRO) listed on the map - lets see what it does: "JRO’s main instrument is the VHF radar that operates at 50 MHz and is used to study the physics of the equatorial ionosphere and neutral atmosphere."

    HAARP on the other hand INDUCES artificial effects into the ionosphere immediately ABOVE the Gakona site and uses much lower radio frequencies [2.8–10 MHz] than that used by JRO. The effects can then be examined by a number of instruments including radar.

    JRO is simply a radar station in itself - it is not an ionospheric heater in the same category as HAARP, (though it might have a very small influence to some degree as a VHF heater). I hope that helps gain a better understanding of what these two particular research station are all about.
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    Because the word Auroral appears in the acronym, does that mean the the US govt uses that ARRAY for ONLY that purpose?
    One should bear in mind that HAARP is not an exclusive government controlled facility. Many of the experiments are conducted by University scholars. I've read somewhere from the HAARP organization, maybe their FAQ, that peer reviewed articles on conducted experiments with results are available elsewhere. Problem is unless one is an academic and knows what one is looking for and where to find them, these papers are going to be difficult to come across.

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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Hi Fuzzy, I'm fairly well acquainted with radio wave propogation - and understand the HAARP concept and what it aims to achieve. If anyone wanted to prove that HAARP does something other than it's stated purpose - it would be simple enough to achieve.

    A question: You say that it operates between 2.8 and 10Mhz - Does it cycle though that frequency band or does it operate on a single frequency at any one given time?


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyUK View Post
    Hi VajraYaya
    No, not all arrays are like HAARP. You have indicated that you have not looked at the map and therefore seem unaware of the PURPOSE of each research station, the frequencies used, as well as incorporated techniques.

    Take for instance the Jicamarca Radio Observatory (JRO) listed on the map - lets see what it does: "JRO’s main instrument is the VHF radar that operates at 50 MHz and is used to study the physics of the equatorial ionosphere and neutral atmosphere."
    HAARP on the other hand INDUCES artificial effects into the ionosphere immediately ABOVE the Gakona site and uses much lower radio frequencies [2.8–10 MHz] than that used by JRO. The effects can then be examined by a number of instruments including radar.
    JRO is simply a radar station in itself - it is not an ionospheric heater like HAARP. I hope that helps gain a better understanding of what these two particular research station are all about.
    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...e-was-induced/


    beginExcerpt
    HAARP does exists. The HAARP program is no secret. Their own website states that: The HAARP program is committed to developing a world class ionospheric research facility consisting of: The Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), a high power transmitter facility operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The IRI will be used to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere for scientific study. Even World renowned Stanford University knows about and publishes reports on the activities at the HAARP installations – Experiments with the HAARP Ionospheric Heater – http://vlf.stanford.edu/research/exp...spheric-heater. According to Stanford -

    The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) facility is located in Gakona, Alaska at 62.39? N, 145.15? W, near mile 11 of the Tok Cutoff Highway. The facility houses many diagnostic instruments for studying the ionosphere, but the highlight is the HF transmitter array. This array consists of 15?12 crossed dipole antennas, which together can transmit a total of 3600kW of RF power at frequencies from 2.8 – 10 MHz (HF, high frequency range). This power is partially absorbed by the ionosphere, and though only a tiny fraction of the power it naturally receives from the sun, can still produce subtle changes that can be detected with sensitive instruments.

    The VLF group focuses on using HAARP to generate ELF and VLF waves through a process called modulated heating. Such experiments have been conducted since 1999.
    end


    I think we should be careful not to lose the argument in semantics. HAARP is only one component of a multitude of Tesla technologies. For general purposes, we don't lose much meaning in referring to all these technologies collectively as HAARP. And we shouldn't try to lose meaning through semantics. With that said, such array stations are indeed part of the collective weather modification efforts by the shadow government, efforts that include chemtrails, HAARP stations, amplifying stations, portable array transmitters, laser technologies, satellite systems, etc. ... and of course, TokyoRose-worthy propaganda broadcasters that drum the falsehoods out 24/7.

    FWIW, here's a photo of a floating portable array from the same website:
    us_navy_sbx_haarp.jpg

    So, please, let's dispense with the notion that we - of the laity - have to be exact in our descriptions in order to identify the military technologies and/or their intended purpose(s). As it is, much of the information comes from former insiders who have turned to whistleblowing. The rest comes from diligent researchers who've done nothing more than put two and two together to arrive the proper sum.




    ps: I have much more to say about this (including HAARP amplification, triangulation, and the bird kills in Beebe Arkansas that occurred recently). Right now, I have to go and meet the day.

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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    FWIW, here's a photo of a floating portable array from the same website:
    Hi ZookieMonster,

    I don't know why you put your faith in an ignorant conspiracists blogpage showing an X-band radar system. I've no idea how that relates to the conversation about HAARP which operates, as you have observed from information in your own posting, between 2.8 – 10 MHz.

    X-band frequencies lie in the range 7.0 to 11.2 GHz. (i.e. 7,000Mhz to 11,200Mhz). That's anything up to a factor of 4,000 times greater in frequency than that used by HAARP. The radar system is not an ionospheric heater and works on a completely different system to it.

    Sorry, but what you are showing me is NOT a floating HAARP station.


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Bottom line: Using the acronym of Auroral Research project to name possible-but-yet-unknown direct energy weapon is bit ignorant. Even if whole community use it as shorthand.

    Those might be grand-grand-children of Gakona installation. - but they are not it.

    You need to consider energy involved, which is comparable with fission bomb if we believe stories* - unless you use physics quite different than those in textbook - and even then- you still need to proove it.

    I know magical thinking about world make it look better. You do not bother with all those pesky facts that make all those clear-cut definitions all blurry.

    But it is also a fact that building on shifting sand is pointless waste of time.

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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Fuzzy,
    Where do you think Geo engineering's evolution is right now?

    Do you believe in psychotronics? If so, where are they in that timeline?

    Thanks...


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Bump.....


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    Re: Identifying HAARP sites for starters!

    Quote Originally Posted by magamud View Post
    Fuzzy,
    Where do you think Geo engineering's evolution is right now?
    I've no idea. You tell me.


    Do you believe in psychotronics? If so, where are they in that timeline?
    Again I have no idea on what you are referring to. You will have to be more specific and rephrase the question.


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