The Real Illuminati‏

[Mogs]

Hi folks, this is bashi. Morg has been so kind to post this for me.



First: I am not a member of the 18 and never participated in any of their discussions. Neither do I operate publicly on a forum with a double identity.

Second: Nobody gave me anything of this info that I will present here, it?s the result of my own research.

Third: I present a thesis here, based on my research results.



We live in a troubled time, where Avalon is going down and everybody struggles to answer how and why that happens.



Has not everybody wandered why human endeavours, which started as good and noble as the intentions of it?s founders were, almost always ended up in the opposite way?



Take for example the United States of America: It`s founding fathers were noble men, driven by a spirit resembling the spirit of the French revolution. The key players were ? as we know today ? Illuminati.

How is it possible that the founding fathers were the ?evil? Illuminati and at the same time created something so beautiful as the early USA?

Even the French were envious towards the achievements of that young republic.

Was that noble project later corrupted? Obviously, but if so, by whom?



The US is a typical example of the common destiny of benevolent human projects and endeavours.



Or was the original benevolence a deception from the start? Unlikely, but even if so, then why had the coup of 1913 with the Federal Reserve to be executed?

Wouldn?t the ?evil? founding fathers be able to get it done right (in this case wrong) in the first place?



Or maybe- just think of the possibility ? these historic members had a different attitude as today?s Illuminati.

If so ? assumed here as a thesis of discussion ? then there are at least two kinds of Illuminati: The ?Good? ones and the ?Evil? ones existing.



The ?Good? ones coined/printed the dollar with the famous all seeing eye, a symbol today described as the ?evil? eye.

This eye was definitely placed there with intend and with a message.

In the ? well known - picture it can be clearly seen that the radiant top got separated from the bottom, which is not radiant.



What if this symbol represents the division within the Illuminati? The ?radiant? ones on the top got separated from the lower planes of their organization.



Obviously the ?Top? would be a much older group of Illuminati, while the ?bottom? would be the newcomers.



What if the Illuminati-organization started as a benevolent organization, but also got corrupted and ?infected?, as many human projects before?



What if - as a necessary move - the benevolent top ?amputated? itself from the evil bottom before the infection could spread to the top?



What if the ?Bottom-Illuminati? are representing now ?publicly? themselves as a complete pyramid with top, because they have alienated themselves from the ?Top? and are now actively working against the ?Top??

It would be extremely difficult to get to any genuine info, as the powerful ?bottom? Illuminati would have all necessary tools to prevent that to happen in hand.



If so, then who are these top members?

Where do they present themselves and their ideas?



What will happen if the ?Top? Illuminati carefully start a project for the benefit of mankind?

Is it not possible that every noble endeavour of the ?Top?-Illuminati is immediately sabotaged by the ?common?-Illuminati?

Wouldn`t it be very easy for the ?common? Illuminati to present a cautious move by the ?Top? as an evil endeavour, because of the secrecy the ?Top? has to maintain?

This secrecy ? borne out of necessity to survive - would be the ideal playground of Ego, fear and ignorance of facts, into which the ?Bottom? Illuminati would only have to stir a bit to get the project of the ?Top? Illuminati ?toppled?.

Is this what happened with Charles - being a member of the ?Top? - and his interaction with Avalon?

Wouldn`t it be necessary to maintain a certain level of professionalism towards new discussion members, the 18, in order to maintain the status quo?

Charles made it clear that he will need to brief the 18 about the real position of things as a prerequisite for the 18 to be able to find their priorities in their task.


Wouldn`t it be possible that the 18 would be tested in one way or the other, whether a progression to the next level would be possible?

Charles said that once that is established, ?that would be the end of his dictatorship?.( 33:40 of the Charles/Dale/Bill mp3). He just wants to safeguard against ?infiltration? (35:05). This is a comparable procedure Avalon uses for fresh membership applications, but on a more tougher scale.



And wouldn?t unsuitable members later turn against Charles, who ?dared? to judge them negatively and to block their further interactions with him? That?s common human nature?

But in a class you have to learn and grow and when the test comes, you can not complain that you didn?t know the test-task in advance and therefore you failed.

How do you think a forum of rejected Avalon applicators would discuss the nature of Avalon?


You might check also this report out, which is done by an expert on the Illuminati : http://www.illuminati-news.com/00392.html


Have the ?Bottom? Illuminati now struck a blow to that endeavour, by stirring up lower human responses and concealing it as a fight for truth?

Are now many members misguided in their judgement, as they pad themselves onto their shoulders and say: ?We knew it from the beginning, it?s a con! ???



I think they are.

And someone else is grinning?.



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[Arpheus]

Very interesting and well thought point of view,makes a lot of sense to me i mean after all we live in a world with duality so why wouldnt there be good illuminati with their own agenda that would also be hidden from us as well?the only thing is we will never know the anwer to that question LOL!

[Witchy]

Thanks for bringing Bashis post in Mogs. Along the same lines and something I have thought for a while - I think the current illuminate stole the "original" illuminate word which may have been gnostic in origin. No I have no links, just (as everyone else) thinking outside the box. The "real" illumanati are still here, older than the noobs, but in the background fighting for the greater good. Maybe this could also be the reference to the split pyramid.

Wonder when will print a note that shows a whole pyramid illuminated???? Who draws / creates the pictures on notes anyway. Does anyone know????

[M@e 311]

Thanks for bringing Bashis post in Mogs. Along the same lines and something I have thought for a while - I think the current illuminate stole the "original" illuminate word which may have been gnostic in origin. No I have no links, just (as everyone else) thinking outside the box. The "real" illumanati are still here, older than the noobs, but in the background fighting for the greater good. Maybe this could also be the reference to the split pyramid.

Wonder when will print a note that shows a whole pyramid illuminated???? Who draws / creates the pictures on notes anyway. Does anyone know????

That is a great question Witchy, and suprised no one has asked it before. Will have a look around and see if I can find out who designed it.
M@

[ILikeVapor]

Brother....Bashi....my friend...you must create an account so you can keep up with this thread and continue to participate in a community.
That being said, I was compelled with your post all the way up until:
"Is this what happened with Charles - being a member of the “Top” - and his interaction with Avalon?"
It goes without saying that this is my opinon.....but that being said, I do not lay out my opinion lightly. I usually just study the info, but rarely (in 'conspiracy' info) do I put my words out there....for they are permanent in this internet abyss (until it is censored----different thread.)
So anyways, man I believe some crazy $h!t, but I NEVER EVER bought the Charles info. Everything from the way it was presented (back to camera,) to the "Uhhhh's" and "Ummm's," to the inconsistencies NOT adressed by the "objective" interviewer, to the OVER THE TOP....this is THE MOST IMPORTANT INTERVIEW....Blah blah blah blah...it was just silly. And I get made fun of by my family for believeng some crazy a$$ stuff....but the Charles stuff literally deflated my balloon. In fact, it was so ridiculous I almost gave up faith in everything I had begun to believe.
I've settled down a bit now...especially since the recent drama has unfolded...because as a viewer with just a smidge of instinct....I could tell the interviewer was not interested in truth, but rather a VERY VERY sensational story....which he got. There was zero objectivity and anyone who views the Rulers of the World with a skeptical and inquisitive mind can see blatant opportunities where the interviewee should have been pressed a little, but it never happened. The whole thing is just a f**king joke.
So in summary, your post was great....but Charles/BMW/Atticus is a joke...we are like children desperateley seeking Santa Claus. You made sense, but please man....for God's sake realize that this Charles nonsense was a marketing tool.
wake up friends

[Chicodoodoo]

Nope. The good guys don't create pyramidal hierarchies. That allows sociopaths to rule.

If anything, the bad guys just want you to think they are divided. That way you are suitably distracted by your quest to create complex theories to explain it.

[M@e 311]

Thanks for bringing Bashis post in Mogs. Along the same lines and something I have thought for a while - I think the current illuminate stole the "original" illuminate word which may have been gnostic in origin. No I have no links, just (as everyone else) thinking outside the box. The "real" illumanati are still here, older than the noobs, but in the background fighting for the greater good. Maybe this could also be the reference to the split pyramid.

Wonder when will print a note that shows a whole pyramid illuminated???? Who draws / creates the pictures on notes anyway. Does anyone know????

After some searching I found this...

The US treasury designed it. It's not the work of one man but several.

The seal featured on the bill:
A committee consisting of Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson submitted a design that was deemed unacceptable, as were designs submitted by two succeeding committees. In 1782 these designs were submitted to Charles Thomson, Secretary to the Continental Congress, who prepared a design which, with some alterations, was adopted by the congress on June 20, 1782.

The pyramids:
They were inspired by Hopkinsons pyramid design for the Continental currency's $50 bill. This combined the influence of Pierre Eugene du Simitiere, who had included the Eye of Providence in his designs for the First Great Seal Committee, with that of Francis Hopkinson, who had consulted for the Second Great Seal Committee, and who had included a similar pyramid in his 1778 design for the Continental Currency.

The eagle:
William Barton introduced an eagle with wings "displayed".

The George Washington portrait was made by Gilbert Stuart.

Ultimately it was the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (which is part of the Treasury Department) that decide the final design of the dollar bill.

If anyone has further or more accurate info, please share.

M@

[Luke]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ne-dollar_bill

Note: current-size bills were first issued as "silver certificates". Before that 1$ was a silver thaler.

George Washington first appeared on 1869 Treasury note.

The reverse of the bill was designed in 1935, and F.D.Roosevelt personally required some adjustements to be made:

[TheTruthTeller]

Hi folks, this is bashi. Morg has been so kind to post this for me.



First: I am not a member of the 18 and never participated in any of their discussions. Neither do I operate publicly on a forum with a double identity.

Second: Nobody gave me anything of this info that I will present here, it’s the result of my own research.

Third: I present a thesis here, based on my research results.



We live in a troubled time, where Avalon is going down and everybody struggles to answer how and why that happens.



Has not everybody wandered why human endeavours, which started as good and noble as the intentions of it’s founders were, almost always ended up in the opposite way?



Take for example the United States of America: It`s founding fathers were noble men, driven by a spirit resembling the spirit of the French revolution. The key players were – as we know today – Illuminati.

How is it possible that the founding fathers were the “evil” Illuminati and at the same time created something so beautiful as the early USA?

Even the French were envious towards the achievements of that young republic.

Was that noble project later corrupted? Obviously, but if so, by whom?



The US is a typical example of the common destiny of benevolent human projects and endeavours.



Or was the original benevolence a deception from the start? Unlikely, but even if so, then why had the coup of 1913 with the Federal Reserve to be executed?

Wouldn’t the “evil” founding fathers be able to get it done right (in this case wrong) in the first place?



Or maybe- just think of the possibility – these historic members had a different attitude as today’s Illuminati.

If so – assumed here as a thesis of discussion – then there are at least two kinds of Illuminati: The “Good” ones and the “Evil” ones existing.



The “Good” ones coined/printed the dollar with the famous all seeing eye, a symbol today described as the “evil” eye.

This eye was definitely placed there with intend and with a message.

In the – well known - picture it can be clearly seen that the radiant top got separated from the bottom, which is not radiant.



What if this symbol represents the division within the Illuminati? The “radiant” ones on the top got separated from the lower planes of their organization.



Obviously the “Top” would be a much older group of Illuminati, while the “bottom” would be the newcomers.



What if the Illuminati-organization started as a benevolent organization, but also got corrupted and “infected”, as many human projects before?



What if - as a necessary move - the benevolent top “amputated” itself from the evil bottom before the infection could spread to the top?



What if the “Bottom-Illuminati” are representing now “publicly” themselves as a complete pyramid with top, because they have alienated themselves from the “Top” and are now actively working against the “Top”?

It would be extremely difficult to get to any genuine info, as the powerful “bottom” Illuminati would have all necessary tools to prevent that to happen in hand.



If so, then who are these top members?

Where do they present themselves and their ideas?



What will happen if the “Top” Illuminati carefully start a project for the benefit of mankind?

Is it not possible that every noble endeavour of the “Top”-Illuminati is immediately sabotaged by the “common”-Illuminati?

Wouldn`t it be very easy for the “common” Illuminati to present a cautious move by the “Top” as an evil endeavour, because of the secrecy the “Top” has to maintain?

This secrecy – borne out of necessity to survive - would be the ideal playground of Ego, fear and ignorance of facts, into which the “Bottom” Illuminati would only have to stir a bit to get the project of the “Top” Illuminati “toppled”.

Is this what happened with Charles - being a member of the “Top” - and his interaction with Avalon?

Wouldn`t it be necessary to maintain a certain level of professionalism towards new discussion members, the 18, in order to maintain the status quo?

Charles made it clear that he will need to brief the 18 about the real position of things as a prerequisite for the 18 to be able to find their priorities in their task.


Wouldn`t it be possible that the 18 would be tested in one way or the other, whether a progression to the next level would be possible?

Charles said that once that is established, “that would be the end of his dictatorship”.( 33:40 of the Charles/Dale/Bill mp3). He just wants to safeguard against “infiltration” (35:05). This is a comparable procedure Avalon uses for fresh membership applications, but on a more tougher scale.



And wouldn’t unsuitable members later turn against Charles, who “dared” to judge them negatively and to block their further interactions with him? That’s common human nature…

But in a class you have to learn and grow and when the test comes, you can not complain that you didn’t know the test-task in advance and therefore you failed.

How do you think a forum of rejected Avalon applicators would discuss the nature of Avalon?


You might check also this report out, which is done by an expert on the Illuminati : http://www.illuminati-news.com/00392.html


Have the “Bottom” Illuminati now struck a blow to that endeavour, by stirring up lower human responses and concealing it as a fight for truth?

Are now many members misguided in their judgement, as they pad themselves onto their shoulders and say: “We knew it from the beginning, it’s a con! …”?



I think they are.

And someone else is grinning….

Mogs i like you , but America's "Noble" founders...........???!!?
How can you say this? They killed 59000000 Peaceful and Noble Native Indigenous........ i don't understand , how can people like YOU forget THIS ! I swear that it was the jesuit (or before that it were the ancient orders) "priests" who casted their evil spell upon the people of europe .... Brittish King James was the "noble " founder of america...ehem...
Same with the Inca's and Maya's , hey i see a mayan piramid in the background , oh yeah its from the nexus forum...gosh , the inca's and mayans were killed just as the Native americans , same tactics same force....only this time by a different man Ignatius Loyola , later the founder of the Jesuits. This same force is operational today.
Don't take my word for it , do a bit of research ,type in those names....
Greets

[TheTruthTeller]

Nope. The good guys don't create pyramidal hierarchies. That allows sociopaths to rule.

If anything, the bad guys just want you to think they are divided. That way you are suitably distracted by your quest to create complex theories to explain it.

i do not totally agree here , we could use "their"system and then NOT occult ... i mean it works darn well... in order to reach the masses

[andywight]

Please guys don't take this personally, But am I the only one here that see's the humor in Icecold, Modwiz, Isotool and Lord sid chosen to save the world!



post edit: Bashi stop flirting, just fill in the registration and join up.

[ILikeVapor]

Modwiz is cool....never was a fan of the others....

[andywight]

Spongebob is cool too, but do you want him representing you to save the world?

[ILikeVapor]

I could give a $h!t who saves the world. In fact, it's a moot point. No single person is going to fix the mess we have on our hands. I know you were joking, but I still felt I should reply. People take some stuff so seriously. Not trying to backtrack....but this whole Charles thing still annoys me.
Literally, there are people reading my post right now that think this con-artist has a 5,000 year-old Master that sheds his skin. I'm not saying I don't believe in some things most people would call crazy, but come on.....there were so many "claims" he made that were easily proveable and he wouldn't bother to go there.
In hindsight, I've felt gullible for believing a lot of things, but this whole 18 business just seems ludicrous to me. It almost makes me not want to be a part of anything that could be so stupid as to believe this bull$h!t. I really don't consider myself to be an expert in "lying" but even from my perspective I could tell everything "Charles" said was bull❤❤❤❤.
So many people just accepted as truth with ZERO skepticism. These SAME PEOPLE calling others in the world sheeple. YOU ARE NO BETTER!!!
Sorry to get emotional, but it just makes me feel dumb to be associated with this ridiculous bull$h!t.
Wake up and smell the donation button fools!

[Arpheus]

I could give a $h!t who saves the world. In fact, it's a moot point. No single person is going to fix the mess we have on our hands. I know you were joking, but I still felt I should reply. People take some stuff so seriously. Not trying to backtrack....but this whole Charles thing still annoys me.
Literally, there are people reading my post right now that think this con-artist has a 5,000 year-old Master that sheds his skin. I'm not saying I don't believe in some things most people would call crazy, but come on.....there were so many "claims" he made that were easily proveable and he wouldn't bother to go there.
In hindsight, I've felt gullible for believing a lot of things, but this whole 18 business just seems ludicrous to me. It almost makes me not want to be a part of anything that could be so stupid as to believe this bull$h!t. I really don't consider myself to be an expert in "lying" but even from my perspective I could tell everything "Charles" said was bull❤❤❤❤.
So many people just accepted as truth with ZERO skepticism. These SAME PEOPLE calling others in the world sheeple. YOU ARE NO BETTER!!!
Sorry to get emotional, but it just makes me feel dumb to be associated with this ridiculous bull$h!t.
Wake up and smell the donation button fools!

Couldnt agree with you more man.when this happened i was like are you serious?You have got to be kidding me i even posted on that gigantc the rulers of the world thread once to say how i felt about the whole thing and how it was BS,and you wonder why the world is the way it is today?Thats exactly why LOL,because people believe this type of bull❤❤❤❤ and follow it blindly making a BIG DEAL out of it,i am starting to get sick and tired of it all and i mean it with all my heart and soul aarrgghh...

[ILikeVapor]

We need more like you Arpheus...hang out for a bit bro.

[Chicodoodoo]

In hindsight, I've felt gullible for believing a lot of things, but this whole 18 business just seems ludicrous to me. It almost makes me not want to be a part of anything that could be so stupid as to believe this bull$h!t.

Time for a dissenting opinion. Avalon is a gathering place for the open-minded, right? I'm open-minded, and I loved the place (until they silenced me). Open-minded means less dismissive. Less dismissive means more gullible. More gullible means more easily deceived. Huh?! How did open-minded end up meaning easily deceived? Hey, I'm telling you, it comes with the territory. But here's the good news: open-minded also means that one is quicker to realize that one has been deceived. For the close-minded people, once you get them convinced of anything (and usually you have to do this when they are children), they're stuck. They'll believe it from then on, because their minds are static. Certainty is their best friend, and they are not about to cheat on their best friend.

So, to criticize Avalon members because they fell for Charles, or Bill, or Inelia, or even Chicodoodoo is not a fair metric. Rather, judge them by how quickly they uncover that they have been deceived. At the moment, I would have to say that those that have deduced that they were deceived the quickest are now residing at Nexus, people like Richard, NorthernBoy, ZookieMonster, Andywight, and, dare I say it, Chicodoodoo. There are more and more like them at Avalon, people like qbeac, SKAWF, and others. Avalon is waking up to the truth, though slowly and progressively, because many there are not as open-minded as they like to believe. But give them a little time, and speak out so that they can hear, if you wish to help them. Just as I was determined to hear Richard's side of the story when so many moderators left Avalon, some members of Avalon will also be unsatisfied knowing only Bill Ryan's version of things.

Judge not the truth-seeker by how quickly he is deceived, but by how quickly he recovers.

[Modwiz]

Please guys don't take this personally, But am I the only one here that see's the humor in Icecold, Modwiz and Lord sid chosen to save the world!



post edit: Bashi stop flirting, just fill in the registration and join up.

My idea was not to save the world but to get away from my keyboard to do SOMETHING besides entertain myself and anyone else who wanted to share a thought, idea or joke.

I will not take it personally. I passed the audition. But now, I would rather be in the Bahamas.

[Mogs]

I didn't, I think you find Bashi did, I have zero interest in this thread

Mogs i like you , but America's "Noble" founders...........???!!?
How can you say this? They killed 59000000 Peaceful and Noble Native Indigenous........ i don't understand , how can people like YOU forget THIS ! I swear that it was the jesuit (or before that it were the ancient orders) "priests" who casted their evil spell upon the people of europe .... Brittish King James was the "noble " founder of america...ehem...
Same with the Inca's and Maya's , hey i see a mayan piramid in the background , oh yeah its from the nexus forum...gosh , the inca's and mayans were killed just as the Native americans , same tactics same force....only this time by a different man Ignatius Loyola , later the founder of the Jesuits. This same force is operational today.
Don't take my word for it , do a bit of research ,type in those names....
Greets