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    10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    U.S. Invasion of Libya Set for October

    Infowars.com has received alarming reports from within the ranks of military stationed at Ft. Hood, Texas confirming plans to initiate a full-scale U.S.-led ground invasion in Libya and deploy troops by October.

    The source stated that additional Special Forces are headed to Libya in July, with the 1st Calvary Division (heavy armor) and III Corps deploying in late October and early November. Initial numbers are estimated at 12,000 active forces and another 15,000 in support, totaling nearly 30,000 troops.

    This information was confirmed by numerous calls and e-mails from other military personnel, some indicating large troop deployment as early as September. Among these supporting sources is a British S.A.S. officer confirming that U.S. Army Rangers are already in Libya. The chatter differs in the details, but the overall convergence is clear– that a full-on war is emerging this fall as Gaddafi continues to evade attempts to remove him from power
    http://www.infowars.com/u-s-invasion...t-for-october/


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    Thanks for the posts Krystic.

    I read in a Time magazine I happened to buy(the only in my life lol and I feel bad about it, as if I bought a mcdonalds meal or something) that the strategy is to help out Arab countrymen instead of dictators so they don't think we are their oppressors anymore, citing Al qeada's point that the US has backed ruthless dictators who are beneficial to US interests inciting more terrorist actions.

    Not that I buy it. But I do think helping out freedom fighters(if they actually embody that title) against a dictator is something worthwhile if we're going to be fighting any wars at all. Although I must admit, I'm not well informed about Libya and gaddafi.


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    thanks for this, I am not sure if the turmoil in the middle east is engineered or the result of real change

    still on the fence


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    Al Qaeda is false. The turmoil is engineered. Part in parcel of the larger Mastard design to replace old puppet tyrants (whose usefulness had ended) with new puppet leaders that don't have the baggage and will deliver the people and the lands to the NWO in the form a regional union of Arab states. But nothing the Mastards do is done with only one purpose in mind. There is some degree of genuine revolt in the Arab nations ... as the people whose wealth is mainly tied to the performance of the US dollar are incurring huge losses in purchase power (google Henry Kissinger, 1971, end of Bretton Woods, etc.). But this genuine aspect of the revolt is being commandeered and vectored against the puppet tyrants. Patsies have always been useful tools, from the beginning to the end, and again after the corpse is cold, in propaganda broadband. Hitler is still useful to the bankster empire today, case in point. Another aspect is distraction; keep the mind preoccupied elsewhere and the locals in the continental union (and Alaska and Hawaii) are less inclined to lynch the banksters on Wall Street (and in the UK, the City of London). Another aspect is the profitable war industry. The Middle East is a testing ground for new war technologies. Another aspect is ... well ... if I laid the entire case here and now, I might get stuck with the topic for a lengthy time, wot?



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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    As the Mayor of Chicago put it, 'never let a good crisis go to waste' - there may be genuine grassroots turmoil in the middle eastern nations, however certain opportunists are quick to infiltrate these movements in order to redirect the chaos towards their particular regional and world geopolitical objectives. One sign that is true was the constituency of the supposed group of demonstrators outside the White House when supposedly Osama Bin Laden was killed. Do you suppose certain people were under orders or 'strongly encouraged' to appear in front of the White House, just maybe? This particular type of rah-rah 'demonstration' is NOT typical 'American' behavior. Americans are not known for getting exercised over anything except maybe a big sale at Nordstrom's or Macy's. It IS, however the kind of thing one would see at a sports event where there were a lot of young spectators involved, a pep rally at Texas A & M, or a Spring Break event in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Notice that the media did NOT air similar footage over the years of massive anti-war demonstrations since the early 2,000's. This has the look of a staged demonstration similar to, for example, the one in Baghdad where the statue of Saddam Hussein was pulled down. Check it out.




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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    I'm seeing Nazi Germany all over again in the U.S. actions. History repeats.


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    As has often been discussed it is no coincidence that we sense a Nazi presence. First as a matter of historic record, the US govt. imported the cream of the Nazi scientific aeronautics community into the US post WWII, under the aegis of Project Paper Clip. Dulles was very active in Europe at that time identifying and earmarking who they wanted to bring into the US. That was a direct injection of Nazi ideology into the highest level of the US scientific/intellectual community. Werner von Braun was an officer in the S.S. as just one example. He was photographed with Hitler, Goering, and Goebbels. People don't shed their ideology overnight - and even when snakes shed their skin, they are still snakes. In addition, there is every indication that the Nazis' political machine survived WWII intact and submerged itself to regroup, becoming an extranational force. There is evidence also that they took with them extremely high technology out of Germany prior to the country being overrun by the Allies, technology that has been called 'planet-busting.' Joseph P. Farrell has put out the most interesting and I think plausible sketch of what may well be going on internationally today. Very simply, that post WWII, a 'detente' occurred between ideological enemies I will call the 'banksters' and the 'Nazis.' That detente occurred for very practical reasons, while both sides rebuilt their infrastructures. Now the detente is off......the age-old war between ideological enemies (there is evidence this war has in fact been going on at different levels for thousands of years) has broken out again. The hallmark or distinction between the two ideologies is that one believes in what I will call to keep it simple - AN OPEN SYSTEM, the other believes in a CLOSED SYSTEM. Their world-view, philosophies, physics, reflect this fundamental difference and outlook. This is not to say there are not other factions in conflict, only that these two factions are perhaps the most dominant and technologically superior, and also have been in conflict since the beginning of recorded history, if not before. THIS is the war, that transcends the artifacts of nation-state boundaries. It IS a war for control of the planet. On the one hand, the 'Nazis' with extremely high technological weapons and equipment that they have been refining - including in the US using tax-payor $$, vs. the 'Banksters' also an international force. One tragic irony is that BOTH sides have adapted 'Nazi' tactics. Why? Because the Nazis wrote the playbook and it WORKED SO WELL FROM A PRAGMATIC PERSPECTIVE. We are dealing with very practical people here - why reinvent the wheel??

    History does repeat. Especially when gross materialism is the philosophical common ground. WE humans are being used to fight on both sides of this war - tragically, the war is being fought over not only control of the entire earth and all its resources, BUT it is being fought over control of US - in both instances however, as a SLAVE SPECIES TO SERVE our masters.

    As I have said previously - and I will repeat this. IF what I am being told is that the only choice I have to make is between the NAZIS and the BANKSTERS, I opt out. I hope that others will join me.

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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Akhenaten View Post
    IF what I am being told is that the only choice I have to make is between the NAZIS and the BANKSTERS, I opt out. I hope that others will join me.
    Unfortunately, choosing not to choose is not a solution, either. Both of these groups are the enemy of the people, and unless we actively resist, we will be enslaved by the Nazis, the Banksters, or both.

    And that's what has me worried! As the Declaration of Independence correctly pointed out, "all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    Perhaps I should clarify Chico -- I will not be trapped into thinking these two options are the only ones I, or other human beings have. I am vehemently opposed to BOTH because their tactics, regardless of what they believe may be fundamental ideological differences, ARE THE SAME.

    It is not an either/or situation! I say there must be other options. The other options must be identified, and/or created.


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Chicodoodoo View Post
    I'm seeing Nazi Germany all over again in the U.S. actions. History repeats.
    Yes, that is exactly what you are seeing, but instead of "History repeats", doesn't it make more sense when it's read as "Idiots repeat history" ?
    Just a suggestion.


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    One catches oneself wondering after viewing such things whether pop reduction after all is really such a bad thing.


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    I don't think we should be misled into thinking the vast majority of people are idiots. The entire construct is cleverly designed so that people become hopeless and apathetic self-hating creatures that welcome being tormented and even exterminated, for our own good of course! People are group animals with a group psychology that has been effectively manipulated for ages. People by nature look for leaders to show them what is best. This tendency has been exploited against the interests of the human species as a whole by the very few who devote their entire lifetimes for generations to manipulating others to their benefit. I say to you, there is a hierarchy of evils, and which is worse - the individual who is misled through willful guile, lies and deception, to live in a way that is in opposition to his own and his families' interests WITHOUT EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT - or those who willfully and deliberately with forethought and malice devise endless schemes to misuse, abuse, and even kill human beings for their own selfish interests. For me, the finger points UP in the direction of the very few who devise these schemes and foment them upon the rest. Our job is to awaken others to the reality of what is going on so that together, we can reclaim our rightful place here on earth as awake and aware non-slave beings.


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    I'm not sure that the Nazis and banksters are not different forms of one and the same. Akin to the false dichotomy of the elephant and the donkey in American politics. Indeed, if I remember correctly, the banksters who are led by the Rothschild Zionists are the ones who created Nazism ... which is NAtional ZIonism ... not national socialism (as is falsely promoted).

    To wit, my research tells me that the banksters who go farther back to the fabled banking houses of old Europe (e.g. Lombardi, Medeci, Grimaldi, etc. ... and even farther back still in time and laterally in geography) ... were collectively, Dr. Frankenstein; and the Nazis were their period Frankenmonsters. Bin Laden and Saddam being period Frankenmonsters of the last decade.



    ps: Maybe we can acquire figurative license from Mary Shelley and tent the banksters under the fitting name "Dr. Bankenstein" ... for these are mad surgeons run amok with savage minds and sharp socioeconomic instruments.

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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora View Post
    One catches oneself wondering after viewing such things whether pop reduction after all is really such a bad thing.
    Yup. But perhaps from the top down. From the apex to the capstone to the ziggurat to the plains. I mean, we start chopping from the bottom, then how is the rest of the pyramid going to hold up?

    Jenga!!



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    I don't think we should be misled into thinking the vast majority of people are idiots. The entire construct is cleverly designed so that people become hopeless and apathetic self-hating creatures that welcome being tormented and even exterminated, for our own good of course! People are group animals with a group psychology that has been effectively manipulated for ages. People by nature look for leaders to show them what is best. This tendency has been exploited against the interests of the human species as a whole by the very few who devote their entire lifetimes for generations to manipulating others to their benefit. I say to you, there is a hierarchy of evils, and which is worse - the individual who is misled through willful guile, lies and deception, to live in a way that is in opposition to his own and his families' interests WITHOUT EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT - or those who willfully and deliberately with forethought and malice devise endless schemes to misuse, abuse, and even kill human beings for their own selfish interests. For me, the finger points UP in the direction of the very few who devise these schemes and foment them upon the rest. Our job is to awaken others to the reality of what is going on so that together, we can reclaim our rightful place here on earth as awake and aware non-slave beings.
    We could get into a human nauture debate if we're not careful here..

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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    Zookie I didn't mean to suggest that the Banksters and Nazis are the same, i.e. chocolate vs. vanilla ice cream. There are fundamental ideological differences, IMO the Nazis believe in an open system, the Banksters believe in a closed system. THEY DO HOWEVER USE THE SAME METHODS BECAUSE THESE METHODS HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO WORK.

    I believe these forces have had throughout history some very compelling common interests that have caused them to work together at some level at different points in history - that makes studying them difficult because during those times their activities and agendas, such as during the 20th. century, become intermingled. Those are periods of detente.

    I think there is evidence that we may well be outside that recent period of detente now and open warfare has once again broken out between these two old enemies.


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    We could get into a human nauture debate if we're not careful here..

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    'Human nature' has been quite beside the point from the perspective of the controlling factions has it not? It is ONLY if interest insofar as it may be exploited.

    If we continue to be turned back upon ourselves as an Ourobouros consuming our own tails, we will never see things from the perspective of the ruling classes.


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    I'm not sure that the Nazis and banksters are different forms of one and the same. Akin to the false dichotomy of the elephant and the donkey in American politics. Indeed, if I remember correctly, the banksters who are led by the Rothschild Zionists are the ones who created Nazism ... which is NAtional ZIonism ... not national socialism (as is falsely promoted).

    To wit, my research tells me that the banksters who go farther back to the fabled banking houses of old Europe (e.g. Lombardi, Medeci, Grimaldi, etc. ... and even farther back still in time and laterally in geography) ... were collectively, Dr. Frankenstein; and the Nazis were their period Frankenmonsters. Bin Laden and Saddam being period Frankenmonsters of the last decade.



    ps: Maybe we can acquire figurative license from Mary Shelley and tent the banksters under the fitting name "Dr. Bankenstein" ... for these are mad surgeons run amok with savage minds and sharp socioeconomic instruments.
    I'd agree with the bankster appraisal of the various quaint houses and thier little foibals with regard to world domination (well what does a bankster do between 3 hour lunches and cocktail sessions at the Waldorf?)

    Think in any timeline the Nazi thing would be tried. If we set the clock back it would happen again....and again...The Germanics did resist Christianity for a mite too long...There was already
    something there you see...A whiff of the black forest perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akhenaten View Post
    'Human nature' has been quite beside the point from the perspective of the controlling factions has it not? It is ONLY if interest insofar as it may be exploited.

    If we continue to be turned back upon ourselves as an Ourobouros consuming our own tails, we will never see things from the perspective of the ruling classes.
    The basics of Marxism holds that we are born neutral and are projected on by society which is the opp of basic fascism that we are born territorial and compeptitive...Just saying like.

    Change comes when the system starts to fail to provide the basics to a certain number in a given society and then a tipping point occurs..The American system is approaching such a moment.

    As Marx said (or maybe I like making up things and attributing them to Marx)...The most important revolution will come in the most advanced Capitalist country.

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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

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    Zookie I didn't mean to suggest that the Banksters and Nazis are the same, i.e. chocolate vs. vanilla ice cream. There are fundamental ideological differences, IMO the Nazis believe in an open system, the Banksters believe in a closed system. THEY DO HOWEVER USE THE SAME METHODS BECAUSE THESE METHODS HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO WORK.

    I believe these forces have had throughout history some very compelling common interests that have caused them to work together at some level at different points in history - that makes studying them difficult because during those times their activities and agendas, such as during the 20th. century, become intermingled. Those are periods of detente.

    I think there is evidence that we may well be outside that recent period of detente now and open warfare has once again broken out between these two old enemies.
    Mea culpa. I meant to imply that they are the same ... just different forms. Forgot to include the word "not" in the above post.

    Ahks, my research tells me that this is a class war primarily ... between the small group of haves and the vastly larger group of have-nots ... and the buffering zone of intermediate haves/have-nots. Maybe on a secondary level, there is a fight between the bankster elites (led by the Rothschilds) and the occult/eugenicist ellites (led by the Rockefellers) ... but this is a small battle for control of the capstone. In essence, formal division but functional unity at the top. IMHO.



    psL The culling protocols, as I see it, are largely for the reduction of the colossal base enemy class. When the base of the pyramid is eliminated, the middle part becomes the new base, as it were. Starvation via food control is going to affect the base first. Pop redux achieved and pyramid retained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZookieMonster View Post
    Mea culpa. I meant to imply that they are the same ... just different forms. Forgot to include the word "not" in the above post.

    Ahks, my research tells me that this is a class war primarily ... between the small group of haves and the vastly larger group of have-nots ... and the buffering zone of intermediate haves/have-nots. Maybe on a secondary level, there is a fight between the bankster elites (led by the Rothschilds) and the occult/eugenicist ellites (led by the Rockefellers) ... but this is a small battle for control of the capstone. In essence, formal division but functional unity at the top. IMHO.

    In the first and last instant it is a class war and always has been. This has been re-packaged and camoflagued so that people have lost track. The enemy is still the same. And their time is at hand.


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    Where Marx failed abysmally in his thinking was in utter failure to articulate and identify the nature of those who rule in any system. Perhaps this was intentional. He IMO placed disproportionate emphasis on the 'masses' impact upon determining the nature of the systems that rule them. Those articulating the so-called philosophies of other governmental systems made the same 'mistake'.....is this a coincidence? Is it a mere coincidence that the ruling classes whether it is in China, the US, Western Europe or elsewhere, are essentially the same people driven by the same 'value' system, i.e. the subjugation and enslavement of the masses to THEIR BENEFIT?

    Marx is highly overvalued IMO. It seems that there has been a conspiracy throughout history NOT to identify and name those who actually control things by shifting emphasis to the 'masses.' The masses have NOT controlled history - to the contrary it is the smaller ruling elite groups. Until that is finally understood and the light of day shown on them, and the analysis and study done on THEM concerning their motives and methods of operation, no one will truly awake from the nightmare that has been all of recorded human history.

    The whole concept of class warfare is an elaborate self-serving fiction. What better than that we should believe that human history has been a story of the upper classes warring with the lower classes?! Instead the truth is that factions of the ruling classes are warring with one another............and WE are merely pawns in their game. We also are coveted prizes as a slave species for them.


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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

    I only use Marx in passing. I take your points however..

    It's not really a class any longer but an international ruling oligarchy of varying faiths and nationalities and sacred oaths and so on...

    The main thing Marx failed to see was the abiity of capitalism to continually borrow from the future.

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    Re: 10 Congressmen bring Obama to Federal Court about illegal Wars 16 June 2011

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    Mea culpa. I meant to imply that they are the same ... just different forms. Forgot to include the word "not" in the above post.

    Ahks, my research tells me that this is a class war primarily ... between the small group of haves and the vastly larger group of have-nots ... and the buffering zone of intermediate haves/have-nots. Maybe on a secondary level, there is a fight between the bankster elites (led by the Rothschilds) and the occult/eugenicist ellites (led by the Rockefellers) ... but this is a small battle for control of the capstone. In essence, formal division but functional unity at the top. IMHO.



    psL The culling protocols, as I see it, are largely for the reduction of the colossal base enemy class. When the base of the pyramid is eliminated, the middle part becomes the new base, as it were. Starvation via food control is going to affect the base first. Pop redux achieved and pyramid retained.
    I see it somewhat differently - I see the most powerful and ancient factions 'Nazis' and 'Banksters' locked in ancient enmity of the patrimonial type.......i.e. brother against brother if you will over patrimonial issues..........................not to say there are not other factions also but these primarily drive history. The masses are only significant inasmuch as they may be harnessed to drive the machines of war between the two and/or as slave labor.

    Clearly we are considered to be someone's property, nothing more, nothing less.

    Each of these factions desire to control the world, its assets, and US - as slaves. We are ONLY of interest in that regard.

    These factions ARE related however. At times their common purposes, control over the earth, cause them to enact a functional detente as they regroup.

    Once they each have again fortified themselves you can be sure the war will break out again. There is NO PEACE that will ever be made between these two factions. They are bitter enemies and believe eventually one or the other MUST BE EXTERMINATED.

    It is our sad lot to be caught in the middle of their endless struggles.

    I wish they would destroy one another and leave us in peace. Sadly, it is clear that their hatred and mutual enmity is so deep that they would destroy the earth itself AND US in their battles with one another.

    THIS is a very dangerous and difficult situation we find ourselves in indeed.

    I do believe what I am sketching out here is accurate and real.


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