The case against New Age dogma (Jul.05.11): Michael Heiser exposes Zecharia Sitchin as a FRAUD!

[ZookieMonster]

This is the first of an undefined number of articles/videos I will post here on Nexus ... to make the rational case against Ascension and New Age dogma. I do this in the hope that Nexus charts away from unprovable assertions and towards rational arguments.





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• The case against New Age dogma (Jul.05.11): Michael Heiser exposes Zecharia Sitchin as a FRAUD!

[Nazirite]

Thanks Zook - I bought one of Sitchin's books - Interesting stuff, the sort of thing people would fall over each other to believe. However, it very quickly becomes apparent that none of his statements of fact, regarding his translations, are supported or referenced.
Mind you, his work is the perfect fodder for those who seem to think that just because someone said it - it must be true. Those who never check source material and naively believe everything they are propagandized wtith.

p.s. I only bought one of his books and would never buy another.

[mml]

Sorry folks.

I tried only to keep me out of conflicts. I?m also an ex avalonian and i?m not new in these subjects. With all due respect you have to make your homework. These subject was also already discussed at PA.

Michael Heiser is the only guy that atacked Sitchin, and did it because his a jesuit paid buy the catolic church to do that. The idea that Sitchin is right is ultrageous to the church. Some years ago when the attacks started these relations between Heiser and church was publicised and the guy was debunked.

The fact is that nobody else presented technical expertise or works to refute Sitchin, only atacks and acusations.

Did you know that after Heiser gained some importance after atacking Sitching he published a book? Wasn?t it interesting? How ironic or was only a hell of sincronicity?

I?ve beem once in Paris atending a presentation about Sumerian culture with people from the Sumerian department (or something like that) from Louvre Museum and guess what? They said that they can?t say that Sitchin translations was wrong or right, because they didn?t have enough information due to the fact that this civilization is too old and they didn?t have others sources. They would like to have something like a roseta stone, but didn?t have. When I asked they answered that Sitchin translations were some kind radical to religious people but, puting god concepts apart, the work was very plausible. They also answered that Heiser, as nobodyelse, had not enough evidences to prove that Sitchin was wrong, just wishes and desires.

Forget youtube. Right now is possible to find a video from someone pretending his god, or reptile or the devil in person. Youtube is not background or cientific knowledge it is only enterteinment.

This is not only my opinion. Go to http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ or http://www.sitchin.com/. Make a research by yourselves. Buy and read some Sitchin books, not only one. Read Heiser book and compare. Who wants to be a book writer and who wants to present a technical study.

Sitchin maybe not completely right, but he is not completely wrong and more than that, he was the first one to present the sumerian translations. Others came after and used what he has said and done. It is too easy to beat in the earliers, mostly after the guy is dead and can not defend himself.

Sitchin was not a fraud. He is a stone in the shoe.

Heiser is an offended jesuit with second intentions in an advantageous position to atack a pioneer and worse there is nobody that supports his points. In the other hand you can easily find lots of scolar people that support Sitchin.

Namaste

[Arpheus]

I am almost done watching all 13 videos on this and i must say after seeing almost all of it its hard to deny that Sitchins writing obviiously seem to be a complete fabrication of BS and disinfo,it pretty much makes one come to the conclusion that doctro sitching is most likely an agent of TPTB to spread more lies/disinfo/smoke and mirrors garbage,man what a let down seriously,thanks for this it really helped me open my eyes once again!

[ZookieMonster]

Heiser is an offended jesuit with second intentions in an advantageous position to atack a pioneer and worse there is nobody that supports his points. In the other hand you can easily find lots of scolar people that support Sitchin.

That's an assertion against Heiser, friend; not proof of anything. Have you anything more substantial? I've an open mind.






ps: If them decorated suits were up to any good ... then why do some (including Sitchin) try to hide their faces? Secrecy and secret societies are what allowed the conspiracy of the power pyramid to establish as greatly as it has.

[lightblue]

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turns out not just the ordinary diletantes like i thought...l

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[Nazirite]

@MML

I understand that Sitchin's work can be compelling but so can good novels. If Sitchin referenced the academic work from which he drew his bold conclusions I might be a little more receptive to what he said - but he didn't.
I am a proponent of the "Ancient Alien" theory - so Sitchin's work should have appealed to my slight bias - but I never consider any theory, presented in isolation, unless it has context....oxymoronic no? It isn't enough to say "I read a bunch of stuff (not gonna tell you what it was) and this is my conclusion"
There are too many people who make bold statements without supporting evidence - not good enough for me.

[Nazirite]

I've just been reading the PA thread on this subject started by Pie 'n eel. Worth a read and good to see intellect returning from banishment.

PA Thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Sitchin-wrong

I'm not familiar with Pie n' eal - but he seems to present a good argument.

[TheTruthTeller]

alister crowley

[Nazirite]

alister crowley

Que? no understand

[deansloan]

It’s a matter of reading, as well as understanding, the works that Sitchin based his 12th Planet or Earth Chronicles on, i.e., The Enuma Elish, The Atrahasis, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, and those who haven’t read the foregoing original works for themselves automatically disqualify themselves from discussion of the subject. Those who refuse to do so simply place themselves in the category of being lazy, unscholarly, or unable to think for themselves. Those who have a problem with individuals that have provided rebuttals to Sitchin’s work should provide a link to their own detailed rebuttals in response, otherwise, all they’re doing is demonstrating a closed-minded and partially educated opinion.
Myself* and others? have more than adequately shown the very big fallacies in Sitchin’s 12th Planet. I purchased all of the Earth Chronicles many years ago and believed that Sitchin had correctly interpreted the Sumerian and Babylonian tablets, however, after realising that, from an astronomical perspective, Nibiru couldn’t exist, I decided to read the Enuma Elish and realised, like Michael Heiser and others, that there really isn't any theological basis for Sitchin to have identified the Anunnaki as aliens from Nibiru. First of all, the celestial mechanics theorem for a planetary mass the alleged size of Nibiru entering our solar system every 3,600 years with the perihelion point of its orbit slightly beyond the asteroid belt dictates that it would have collided with the asteroids head on (due to the 180 million km width of the asteroid belt) and attracted hundreds or thousands of asteroids to itself in each passage (causing extinction level events on Nibiru), as well as sending other asteroids off in the direction of the other planets, including the earth, and the sun. The asteroid belt, postulated by Sitchin to have been created by one of Nibiru's moons (wind) 450,000 years-ago, would either eventually have been eliminated in Nibiru's subsequent return trips into & out of the solar system, or Nibiru, itself, would have been destroyed. You'll find that anyone who promotes the existence of Nibiru, or Planet X, cannot provide a plausible celestial mechanics equation for it, because of the existing planetary order and the asteroid belt. The undisturbed asteroid belt is proof positive that a physical, planetary Nibiru of the Sitchin kind doesn’t exist, consequently, the Anunnaki's involvement in earth history, re: the Earth Chronicles, is strictly creative science-fiction and due to Sitchin's lack of esoteric knowledge regarding religion & philosophy.
It was, apparently, due to Sitchin’s lack of knowledge with regards to the esoteric side of theology that led him to creating a very fictitious “Earth Chronicles”:
The Anunnaki ("tutelary spirits of the earth" or human spirits) are mentioned in the First & Third Tablets of the Enuma Elish, and Marduk isn’t mentioned until the Third Tablet, which corresponds to the 3rd ray or 3rd Cosmic Ether , and the 3rd day of creation (See diagram on page 16 of the following paper: http://www.qdeansloan.com/papers/pdf...20hologram.pdf
In order to interpret the theology within the Enuma Elish one has to understand the underlying fundamental principles/metaphysics of religion, i.e., the “Trinity” and in the Babylonian religion “Apsu” is Spirit/Father, the 1st aspect, “Tiamat” is Matter/Mother, the 2nd aspect, and “Lord Marduk” is Soul/Son, the 3rd aspect.
It’s stated in the 7th Tablet that Lord Marduk created mankind, and this symbolically refers to the creation of immortal human souls en mass during the Lemurian root-race millions of years ago, and not to the creation of Homo sapiens, as Sitchin theorized, by mixing the DNA of the ”Anunnaki” with “Homo erectus” for the purpose of creating slaves to work in gold mines in Africa.
Nibiru is shown in the 7th Tablet to be identical with Marduk, i.e., “the Seizer of the Midst” [Tiamat/Matter/Mother], which symbolically refers to the overcoming of matter (life in the physical world) by soul’s manifesting on Earth and providing the Lemurian’s with a conscious mind, consequently, the killing of his mother is symbolical only, not the literal destruction of a planet, and veils a much earlier esoteric, historical event.
EPILOGUE (in the Enuma Elish)
“Let them [i.e. the names of Marduk] be held in remembrances and let the first man proclaim them;
Let the wise and the understanding consider them together!
Let the father repeat them and teach them to his son;
Let them be in the ears of the pastor and the shepherd!
Let a man rejoice in Marduk, the Lord of the gods,
That he may cause his land to be fruitful, and that he himself may have prosperity!
[The foregoing is advising us that it's wise and beneficial to acknowledge the existence of our immortal souls]
His word standeth fast, his command is unaltered;
The utterance of his mouth hath no god ever annulled.
He gazed in his anger, he turned not his neck;
When he is wroth, no god can withstand his indignation.
Wide is his heart, broad is his compassion;
The sinner and evil-doer in his presence...
They received instruction, they spake before him,”

Consequently, it’s intuitively and esoterically understood what the Enuma Elish is all about: the recognition & exaltation of our immortal selves (Lord Marduk). Therefore, it's apparent that Sitchin's interpretation of the Anunnaki as aliens from Nibiru periodically visiting the earth in their ancient rocket ships every 3,600 years, is a sci-fi fabrication.

* http://www.qdeansloan.com/sitemap.htm
? Who are the Anunnaki By D.M. Murdock / Acharya S:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/anunnaki.htm
The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet By Michael S. Heiser:
http://www.michaelsheiser.com/nibiru.pdf
The esoteric side of the Epic of Gilgamesh
http://www.tcpubs.com/brunnen/articles/gilgamesh.html
The Epic of Atrahasis:
[1] When the gods were man
they did forced labor, they bore drudgery.
Great indeed was the drudgery of the gods,
the forced labor was heavy, the misery too much:
[5] the seven great Anunna-gods were burdening
the [lesser] Igigi-gods with forced labor.
http://www.livius.org/as-at/atrahasis/atrahasis.html
One has to realise that the “gods”? referred to are human spirits/solar angels incarnated on earth, and not physical aliens.
Solar Angels: http://www.light-weaver.com/fire/fire1260.html
? Plotinus: “Thus in sum, the Soul, a divine being and a dweller in the loftier realms, has entered body: it is a god,* a later phase of the divine: but, under stress of its powers and of its tendency to bring order to its next lower, it penetrates to this sphere in a voluntary plunge: if it turns back quickly all is well; it will have taken no hurt by acquiring the knowledge of evil and coming to understand what sin is, by bringing its forces into manifest play, by exhibiting those activities and productions which, remaining merely potential in the unembodied, might as well never have been even there, if destined never to come into actuality. . .”
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/plotenn/enn400.htm
* In corroboration with this: “I have said Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High” (Psalm 82:6). “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (St. John 10:34). [Note: each human spirit/solar angel is a “god” which, potentially, can manifest in the physical world as symbolically demonstrated in the “transfiguration”? of Jesus].
? http://www.heisback.com.au/The_path_of_initiation.html

Enuma Elish: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
Asteroid belt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Celestial mechanics equation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_mechanics
And http://www.braeunig.us/space/orbmech.htm
Extraterrestrial involvement in humanity’s past.
http://www.alunajoy.com/mission.html

[flower]

Those who refuse to do so simply place themselves in the category of being lazy, unscholarly, or unable to think for themselves.

Then there are those that just dont care. Does that make us lazy?

Internet Gurus... new age gurus ... ppl claiming to have answers... just dont get it. Some arent asking questions anymore... so the answers are irrelevant

[alienHunter]

Hi Dean,

Are you familiar with the Project Avalon site?

It’s a matter of reading, as well as understanding, the works that Sitchin based his 12th Planet or Earth Chronicles on, i.e., The Enuma Elish, The Atrahasis, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, and those who haven’t read the foregoing original works for themselves automatically disqualify themselves from discussion of the subject. Those who refuse to do so simply place themselves in the category of being lazy, unscholarly, or unable to think for themselves. Those who have a problem with individuals that have provided rebuttals to Sitchin’s work should provide a link to their own detailed rebuttals in response, otherwise, all they’re doing is demonstrating a closed-minded and partially educated opinion.
Myself* and others? have more than adequately shown the very big fallacies in Sitchin’s 12th Planet. I purchased all of the Earth Chronicles many years ago and believed that Sitchin had correctly interpreted the Sumerian and Babylonian tablets, however, after realising that, from an astronomical perspective, Nibiru couldn’t exist, I decided to read the Enuma Elish and realised, like Michael Heiser and others, that there really isn't any theological basis for Sitchin to have identified the Anunnaki as aliens from Nibiru. First of all, the celestial mechanics theorem for a planetary mass the alleged size of Nibiru entering our solar system every 3,600 years with the perihelion point of its orbit slightly beyond the asteroid belt dictates that it would have collided with the asteroids head on (due to the 180 million km width of the asteroid belt) and attracted hundreds or thousands of asteroids to itself in each passage (causing extinction level events on Nibiru), as well as sending other asteroids off in the direction of the other planets, including the earth, and the sun. The asteroid belt, postulated by Sitchin to have been created by one of Nibiru's moons (wind) 450,000 years-ago, would either eventually have been eliminated in Nibiru's subsequent return trips into & out of the solar system, or Nibiru, itself, would have been destroyed. You'll find that anyone who promotes the existence of Nibiru, or Planet X, cannot provide a plausible celestial mechanics equation for it, because of the existing planetary order and the asteroid belt. The undisturbed asteroid belt is proof positive that a physical, planetary Nibiru of the Sitchin kind doesn’t exist, consequently, the Anunnaki's involvement in earth history, re: the Earth Chronicles, is strictly creative science-fiction and due to Sitchin's lack of esoteric knowledge regarding religion & philosophy.
It was, apparently, due to Sitchin’s lack of knowledge with regards to the esoteric side of theology that led him to creating a very fictitious “Earth Chronicles”:
The Anunnaki ("tutelary spirits of the earth" or human spirits) are mentioned in the First & Third Tablets of the Enuma Elish, and Marduk isn’t mentioned until the Third Tablet, which corresponds to the 3rd ray or 3rd Cosmic Ether , and the 3rd day of creation (See diagram on page 16 of the following paper: http://www.qdeansloan.com/papers/pdf...20hologram.pdf
In order to interpret the theology within the Enuma Elish one has to understand the underlying fundamental principles/metaphysics of religion, i.e., the “Trinity” and in the Babylonian religion “Apsu” is Spirit/Father, the 1st aspect, “Tiamat” is Matter/Mother, the 2nd aspect, and “Lord Marduk” is Soul/Son, the 3rd aspect.
It’s stated in the 7th Tablet that Lord Marduk created mankind, and this symbolically refers to the creation of immortal human souls en mass during the Lemurian root-race millions of years ago, and not to the creation of Homo sapiens, as Sitchin theorized, by mixing the DNA of the ”Anunnaki” with “Homo erectus” for the purpose of creating slaves to work in gold mines in Africa.
Nibiru is shown in the 7th Tablet to be identical with Marduk, i.e., “the Seizer of the Midst” [Tiamat/Matter/Mother], which symbolically refers to the overcoming of matter (life in the physical world) by soul’s manifesting on Earth and providing the Lemurian’s with a conscious mind, consequently, the killing of his mother is symbolical only, not the literal destruction of a planet, and veils a much earlier esoteric, historical event.
EPILOGUE (in the Enuma Elish)
“Let them [i.e. the names of Marduk] be held in remembrances and let the first man proclaim them;
Let the wise and the understanding consider them together!
Let the father repeat them and teach them to his son;
Let them be in the ears of the pastor and the shepherd!
Let a man rejoice in Marduk, the Lord of the gods,
That he may cause his land to be fruitful, and that he himself may have prosperity!
[The foregoing is advising us that it's wise and beneficial to acknowledge the existence of our immortal souls]
His word standeth fast, his command is unaltered;
The utterance of his mouth hath no god ever annulled.
He gazed in his anger, he turned not his neck;
When he is wroth, no god can withstand his indignation.
Wide is his heart, broad is his compassion;
The sinner and evil-doer in his presence...
They received instruction, they spake before him,”

Consequently, it’s intuitively and esoterically understood what the Enuma Elish is all about: the recognition & exaltation of our immortal selves (Lord Marduk). Therefore, it's apparent that Sitchin's interpretation of the Anunnaki as aliens from Nibiru periodically visiting the earth in their ancient rocket ships every 3,600 years, is a sci-fi fabrication.

* http://www.qdeansloan.com/sitemap.htm
? Who are the Anunnaki By D.M. Murdock / Acharya S:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/anunnaki.htm
The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet By Michael S. Heiser:
http://www.michaelsheiser.com/nibiru.pdf
The esoteric side of the Epic of Gilgamesh
http://www.tcpubs.com/brunnen/articles/gilgamesh.html
The Epic of Atrahasis:
[1] When the gods were man
they did forced labor, they bore drudgery.
Great indeed was the drudgery of the gods,
the forced labor was heavy, the misery too much:
[5] the seven great Anunna-gods were burdening
the [lesser] Igigi-gods with forced labor.
http://www.livius.org/as-at/atrahasis/atrahasis.html
One has to realise that the “gods”? referred to are human spirits/solar angels incarnated on earth, and not physical aliens.
Solar Angels: http://www.light-weaver.com/fire/fire1260.html
? Plotinus: “Thus in sum, the Soul, a divine being and a dweller in the loftier realms, has entered body: it is a god,* a later phase of the divine: but, under stress of its powers and of its tendency to bring order to its next lower, it penetrates to this sphere in a voluntary plunge: if it turns back quickly all is well; it will have taken no hurt by acquiring the knowledge of evil and coming to understand what sin is, by bringing its forces into manifest play, by exhibiting those activities and productions which, remaining merely potential in the unembodied, might as well never have been even there, if destined never to come into actuality. . .”
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/plotenn/enn400.htm
* In corroboration with this: “I have said Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High” (Psalm 82:6). “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (St. John 10:34). [Note: each human spirit/solar angel is a “god” which, potentially, can manifest in the physical world as symbolically demonstrated in the “transfiguration”? of Jesus].
? http://www.heisback.com.au/The_path_of_initiation.html

Enuma Elish: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm
Asteroid belt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_belt
Celestial mechanics equation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_mechanics
And http://www.braeunig.us/space/orbmech.htm
Extraterrestrial involvement in humanity’s past.
http://www.alunajoy.com/mission.html

[Odah]

with as curious and hungry for information as i am and willing to put some story where there is none for the moment ..the sitchen theory never fit anything that was in my models .. and i believe he was involved with the cia .. so his role was to release a large amount of mis information into the field of alien studies ..

do i believe That Dna was added to pre homo sapiens to make all pre homo sapian .. homo sapien .. look around .. at some point all pre human races either became humans ..or just dissapeared.. there is no human like mamal alive today .. and by any trace of logic there should be if ..it was all up to evolution ..

something happened between 50-100 thousand years ago .. where dozens of pre human went in and only humanitity came out ..

but i have never grasped this man was created as slaves of the god's line .. created to serve them and dig in the ground for gold ..

[alienHunter]

One of the interesting things about that is that homo sapiens and neanderthal coexisted for about 30,000 years, after that...no mo' troglodytes

with as curious and hungry for information as i am and willing to put some story where there is none for the moment ..the sitchen theory never fit anything that was in my models .. and i believe he was involved with the cia .. so his role was to release a large amount of mis information into the field of alien studies ..

do i believe That Dna was added to pre homo sapiens to make all pre homo sapian .. homo sapien .. look around .. at some point all pre human races either became humans ..or just dissapeared.. there is no human like mamal alive today .. and by any trace of logic there should be if ..it was all up to evolution ..

something happened between 50-100 thousand years ago .. where dozens of pre human went in and only humanitity came out ..

but i have never grasped this man was created as slaves of the god's line .. created to serve them and dig in the ground for gold ..

[deansloan]

Hi Flower and others,
The answer to your question, Flower, is no, you’re not “lazy.” The information isn’t for those who “don’t care,” but for those that are interested in educating themselves on the subject, consequently, it’s relevant to them only and, as an educater, I do “get it.”

And to answer alienHunter’s question. Yes, I am aware of Project Avalon, but disregard some of the information put out there.

And, in response to Odah and alienHunter: Most everyone has heard of Atlantis?, which was the “4th root-race” of human beings and had 7 sub-races (emotionally focused), each of which were gradually smaller as time went on, and the Biblical Goliath, who was about 10 feet tall, was typical of the 7th sub-races. The “5th root-races/Aryan (mentally focused) gradually evolved out of the Atlanteans beginning about a million years ago, give or take a day or two. There were many survivers after Atlantis sank, and there were also many Atlanteans taken by our ET friends? before it sank, which were returned to earth several years later.

Best regards,

? http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-12.htm
? http://www.alunajoy.com/mission.html

[lightblue]

Hi Flower and others,
The answer to your question, Flower, is no, you’re not “lazy.” The information isn’t for those who “don’t care,” but for those that are interested in educating themselves on the subject, consequently, it’s relevant to them only and, as an educater, I do “get it.”

And to answer alienHunter’s question. Yes, I am aware of Project Avalon, but disregard some of the information put out there.

And, in response to Odah and alienHunter: Most everyone has heard of Atlantis?, which was the “4th root-race” of human beings and had 7 sub-races (emotionally focused), each of which were gradually smaller as time went on, and the Biblical Goliath, who was about 10 feet tall, was typical of the 7th sub-races. The “5th root-races/Aryan (mentally focused) gradually evolved out of the Atlanteans beginning about a million years ago, give or take a day or two. There were many survivers after Atlantis sank, and there were also many Atlanteans taken by our ET friends? before it sank, which were returned to earth several years later.

Best regards,

? http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-12.htm
? http://www.alunajoy.com/mission.html

on the other hand , why would one take theosophists' hypotesis seriously? their channelled material is messianic/salvationist just like judaism/christianity/islam GFL and other new age teachings...except the GFL are on about the ET swooping down to humanity's rescue while theosophists profess the arrival of maitreya..whoever that may be...i bet you a tenner it won't be a woman..

l

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[deansloan]

Hello “lightblue”, whoever you are.
Provide a link to the rebuttal you’ve written against “theosophists' hypotesis”, otherwise, all you’re doing is demonstrating a pseudo-educated, as well as partially educated opinion. And, denigrating others without substantive back up information is unethical. By the way, secret identities don’t have any credibility either.
Mahalo.

[lightblue]

Hello “lightblue”, whoever you are.
Provide a link to the rebuttal you’ve written against “theosophists' hypotesis”, otherwise, all you’re doing is demonstrating a pseudo-educated, as well as partially educated opinion. And, denigrating others without substantive back up information is unethical. By the way, secret identities don’t have any credibility either.
Mahalo.

i draw from my pseudo-education, that both alice bailey and elena blavatsky channelled off worldly entities - so called "masters" this and that...i don't worry about the entities' names as much, tho i do remember clearly that neither was a woman.....


don't know what do you mean by secretive identities...secretive identities of entities' channelled or secretive identity of lb? if it's about lb/me then no, i prefere not to advertise my name and address...sorry....

i'd call it privacy, not secrecy...


l

[deansloan]

i draw from my pseudo-education, that both alice bailey and elena blavatsky channelled off worldly entities - so called "masters" this and that...i don't worry about the entities' names as much, tho i do remember clearly that neither was a woman.....


don't know what do you mean by secretive identities...secretive identities of entities' channelled or secretive identity of lb? if it's about lb/me then no, i prefere not to advertise my name and address...sorry..

Alice Bailey communicated telepathically? with the Tibetan, Djwhal Khul, a master in the spiritual hierarchy (modern day terminology for the Biblical “Order of Melchizedek”?), who I spent some time with in a previous life? at the Tashilhunpo monastery in Tibet.
Despite what uninformed, theologically miseducated people say, “The Mahatmas were the direct, in-person, instructors of Madame Blavatsky.”†
Secret identities display a spiritually bereft, distrust of their fellow man/woman, and aren’t aware of the corresponding consequence for themselves.
Your identity is unknown only to what should be considered by you as friends here at Nexus, because your ID is readily available to the government or anyone else that has authority to ask your Internet provider who you are and where you live.

? http://www.bailey.it/testi-inglese/U...obiography.pdf

? Among other names, He was known as the “Ancient of days” and was seen by those with “another sight”, or “who’s sight was keen”, i.e., clairvoyance:
Daniel 7:
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the firey flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A firey stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgement was set, and the books were opened.

Ezekiel 1:
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

And from the Book of Enoch 14:
10 They elevated me aloft to heaven. I proceeded until I arrived at a wall built with stones of crystal. A vibrating flame surrounded it, which began to strike me with terror.
11 Into this vibrating flame I entered;
12 And drew nigh to a spacious habitation built also with stones of crystal. Its walls too, as well as pavement were formed with stones of crystal, and crystal likewise was the ground. Its roof had the appearance of agitated stars and flashes of lightning; and among them were cherubim of fire in a stormy sky. A flame burned around its walls, and its portal blazed with fire. When I entered into this dwelling, it was hot as fire and cold as ice. No trace of delight or of life was there. Terror overwhelmed me, and a fearful shaking seized me.
13 Violently agitated and trembling, I fell upon my face. In the vision I looked,
14 And behold there was another habitation more spacious than the former, every entrance to which was open before me, erected in the midst of a vibrating flame.
15 So greatly did it excel in all points, in glory, in magnificence, and in magnitude, that it is impossible to describe to you either the splendour or the extent of it.
16 Its floor was on fire; above were lightnings and agitated stars, while its roof exhibited a blazing fire.
17 Attentively I surveyed it, and saw that it contained and exalted throne;
18 The appearance of which was like that of frost; while its circumference resembled the orb of the brilliant sun; and there was the voice of the cherubim.
19 From underneath this mighty throne rivers of flaming fire issued.
20 To look upon it was impossible.
21 One great in glory sat upon it:
22 Whose robe was brighter than the sun, and whiter than snow.
He is also known as the “One Initiator”
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/ihas/ihas16.htm

? http://www.qdeansloan.com/bio.htm
† http://www.blavatsky.net/theosophy/m...atma-links.htm
A formal photograph of the three main “Mahatmas” behind the theosophical society is at the following link. From left to right are Kuthumi, El Morya, and Saint Germain.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=ph...9,r:5,s:0,i:88

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deansloan: Alice Bailey communicated telepathically? with the Tibetan, Djwhal Khul, a master in the spiritual hierarchy (modern day terminology for the Biblical “Order of Melchizedek”?), who I spent some time with in a previous life? at the Tashilhunpo monastery in Tibet.
Despite what uninformed, theologically miseducated people say, “The Mahatmas were the direct, in-person, instructors of Madame Blavatsky.”†
Secret identities display a spiritually bereft, distrust of their fellow man/woman, and aren’t aware of the corresponding consequence for themselves.
Your identity is unknown only to what should be considered by you as friends here at Nexus, because your ID is readily available to the government or anyone else that has authority to ask your Internet provider who you are and where you live.

deansloan, i'd think and say the same under lb or my name on passport ...i really don't get why you fuss about that....please take no offense but in all sincerity am not interested in your passport name...names have no bearing on what is exchanged here which is: opinions, insights, information and entertainment - depending on forum chategories and/or threads..

Daniel 7:
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the firey flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A firey stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgement was set, and the books were opened.

Ezekiel 1:
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

And from the Book of Enoch 14:
10 They elevated me aloft to heaven. I proceeded until I arrived at a wall built with stones of crystal. A vibrating flame surrounded it, which began to strike me with terror.
11 Into this vibrating flame I entered;
12 And drew nigh to a spacious habitation built also with stones of crystal. Its walls too, as well as pavement were formed with stones of crystal, and crystal likewise was the ground. Its roof had the appearance of agitated stars and flashes of lightning; and among them were cherubim of fire in a stormy sky. A flame burned around its walls, and its portal blazed with fire. When I entered into this dwelling, it was hot as fire and cold as ice. No trace of delight or of life was there. Terror overwhelmed me, and a fearful shaking seized me.
13 Violently agitated and trembling, I fell upon my face. In the vision I looked,
14 And behold there was another habitation more spacious than the former, every entrance to which was open before me, erected in the midst of a vibrating flame.
15 So greatly did it excel in all points, in glory, in magnificence, and in magnitude, that it is impossible to describe to you either the splendour or the extent of it.
16 Its floor was on fire; above were lightnings and agitated stars, while its roof exhibited a blazing fire.
17 Attentively I surveyed it, and saw that it contained and exalted throne;
18 The appearance of which was like that of frost; while its circumference resembled the orb of the brilliant sun; and there was the voice of the cherubim.
19 From underneath this mighty throne rivers of flaming fire issued.
20 To look upon it was impossible.
21 One great in glory sat upon it:
22 Whose robe was brighter than the sun, and whiter than snow.
He is also known as the “One Initiator”
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/ihas/ihas16.htm

i am not satisfied biblical texts (as quoted) are integrious accounts of anything really. ..you may want to consider m beglini's translations:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...9947#post79947


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[deansloan]

I didn’t “fuss” over your lack of trust of your fellow man/woman, just made you aware of the ramifications of it.
Everyone who’s educated themselves in Biblical or Christian history is well aware that the Bible was edited and altered primarily under the direction of two Roman Emperors, Constantine and Justinian, but which had nothing to do with what I quoted.

[alienHunter]

Hi Dean,

I'm curious, do you really believe that you have to make people aware of the ramifications of their behavior?

I didn’t “fuss” over your lack of trust of your fellow man/woman, just made you aware of the ramifications of it.
Everyone who’s educated themselves in Biblical or Christian history is well aware that the Bible was edited and altered primarily under the direction of two Roman Emperors, Constantine and Justinian, but which had nothing to do with what I quoted.

[alienHunter]

Hi Dean,

I asked my parish Priest (Jesuit with a PhD in Theology) about your statement regarding the two Roman Emperors...he disagreed?

I didn’t “fuss” over your lack of trust of your fellow man/woman, just made you aware of the ramifications of it.
Everyone who’s educated themselves in Biblical or Christian history is well aware that the Bible was edited and altered primarily under the direction of two Roman Emperors, Constantine and Justinian, but which had nothing to do with what I quoted.

[deansloan]

Hi alienHunter
Some people aren’t aware of the wide variety of ways in which they “reap what they sow”, so, out of love and compassion for them, I point out the “ramifications of their behaviour.”

Your “parish Priest (Jesuit with a PhD in Theology)” isn’t very well educated, because it’s a matter of historical record:

Justinian and Anathamas against Origin/pre-existence & reincarnation:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-pope.htm
And http://www.wisdomworld.org/additiona.../Part4of5.html

Constantine and the “only begotten son”:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html
The “only begotten Son” is a metaphysical non-sequitur,? and esoterically refers to the immortal human soul? that is created by God with “everlasting life” in His “image” in the gaseous plane of the mental sphere: our higher self, composed of substance of the first 3 ethers, is clairvoyantly seen as the “jewel in the lotus,”? and is literally referred to as “a point of light within a greater light” [the Logos], or the “One in Whom We Live, and Move, and Have Our Being.”
? Doesn’t metaphysically follow the mythological premise that Mary was a virgin and impregnated by God: see the Buddha & Krishna
http://www.truthbeknown.com/lifeofbuddha.htm
? “The soul, Iamblichus says, is an immortal entity, unbegotten and imperishable, indivisible and incorporeal, therefore, it could not have come into existence at birth, nor will it perish at death. Furthermore, being indivisible, being essentially incorporeal, and having nothing in common with the body, it can be affected by nothing, nor has it any concern with change or
condition.”
http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/th...amblichus.html
? It’s creation “produces (upon the third subplane of the mental plane) a ninefold vibration or whorl in the gaseous matter of the plane-for this is the cosmic gaseous subplane-which, after a certain period of persistence, assumes the form of a nine-petalled lotus. This lotus is folded over in bud shape upon the central point, or heart of the lotus – that spark of electric fire, which by its action or innate vitality working upon the substance of the lotus, attracts to itself sufficient of that substance to form three inner petals, which closely shield the central spark; these are nevertheless of the same substance or essence as the nine other petals.” “Around this central nucleus, or inner flame, are arranged the nine petals in circles of three petals each, making three circles in all. These petals are formed out of the substance [spiritual, intuitive, higher mental] of the solar Angels as are the central three-substance which is not only sentient as is the substance of the forms in the three worlds, but which has an added quality of “I-ness” or of self-consciousness, enabling the spiritual unity at the center (by means of it) to acquire knowledge, awareness, and self-realization” (A Treatise on Cosmic Fire) http://www.light-weaver.com/fire/toc.html
Solar angels http://www.light-weaver.com/fire/fire1260.html