STEN - what FE movement needs (or not)

[Luke]

sten_mkII.jpg
This thing above is "STEN"

It is World War two era submachine gun.

It is ugly as hell, but have one giant advantage: anyone with access to welding equipement, bicycle parts and some pipes can make a working example.

blyskawica.jpg
This is"Błyskawica" (lightning), tha was constructed en-masse in workshops in the occupied territory of Poland.

During later stages of war even germans started to cpy the design, when supplies of more-advanced weapons dried up.

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Ok, what that has to do with Free Energy you ask?

Make note: "workshops on occupied territory".

In terms of energy, we are at occupied territory: occupied by the "mainstream" business practices, energy racket and legislative racket.

Anyone that tries to develop a FE project using normal business practices, intended to succeed in normal "business environment", soon discovers that (1) more people want him to shut up than he imagined (2) he is offered money for NOT developing the product (3) Any bureaucrat in 100 mile radius suddenly turned hostile (4) family pets gone missing (5) They are coming .......

(Just track Wade's efforts if you still believe you will got lucky and earn 100 billion green pieces of paper)

Since this is how it happens estimated 100 times per year (or was that 300?), another approach is necessary.

1) Sharing. You cannot make a buck out of it so why stay secretive. the best protection is full-scale disclousure of principles and designs.
2) Materials: if you cannot build it with parts accessible in castorama/Praktiker/Whatever is the name of DIY shop nearby - you will not be able to build it. The less available given part/material is, the more chance it will suddenly become unavailable.
3) No advanced machining (see (2)); need to be assembled in garage by people with bike mechanic skills, with commonly accessible tools.

It will not be pretty, will not be as effective as it could be, but if you cannot get 1 000 units online in 24 hrs in as many places in the world as it is possible- then it will not happen at all.

But when thousands of people will see AND TOUCH working examples - there will be no way of stopping this. Not without tanks.

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[Wade Frazier]

Hi Luke:

I heard about this yesterday. You are definitely thinking about this issue. Thank you. Instead of writing about this for a week, here are the main obstacles to your plan, as I see them:

1. Personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn ).

2. Because of point number one, I have yet to meet anybody who made a FE prototype in their garage who was willing to give it away. I have heard talk, but talk is cheap.

3. If an inventor happens to stumble onto FE in his garage (probably less than one in a thousand who try, do – it is a lot harder than it looks), he will come onto Godzilla’s radar, no matter how sneaky he thinks he is. And even then, it is long, long way from something that can power a home ($200 million of development effort is the estimate that I have seen, and I’ll agree – and it could be a volunteer effort, but I have never seen $200M worth of volunteer effort, from the right volunteers, for something like this). You can't develop FE in secret, at least secret from Godzilla.

4. The only possible protection from Godzilla that I can think of is for the inventor to give his invention to a worthy group, and they provide the protection of numbers and visibility that would be needed. Also, due to point 1, I have never heard of that worthy group. I have seen attempts to create that worthy group, Dennis most famously, but that group has never yet existed (what I am doing these days can be seen as trying to help amass the worthy group, but that is a long, long way from happening). Anybody who comes up with FE, or is around it, usually succumbs to the “The One Ring dropped in a camp of Orcs” phenomenon, as they slaughter each other so they can possess the ultimate source of wealth and power; even the stupidest among them realizes that it promises riches beyond his wildest imaginings ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#quadrillion ). When Godzilla sees people try exactly what you suggest, he sits back and watches the show as everybody betrays everybody else; he rarely needs to lift a claw, and many working for the local interests eagerly slaughter the survivors of the initial, self-inflicted, bloodbath. It makes for good entertainment, and Godzilla probably gets aroused when watching it. It is also guaranteed that more than a few members of the would-be “underground” movement will have sold themselves to Godzilla in an instant (how big do you want the bribe to be? Godzilla’s pockets are endlessly deep for this stuff), and it is also guaranteed that Godzilla will have already placed infiltrators in the ranks, and some will seduce others into betrayal (I have seen that a fair number of times myself).

5. The fact that people are trying to play the sneaky game (and adopt an us-versus-them mentality – acting like victims instead of creators, acting from fear, not love) already takes them out of the running, IMO. People with that motivation can’t even begin to navigate the numerous pitfalls that await, and they are many ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#pitfalls );

6. Only a loving attitude as the baseline awareness has any hope of success in this realm. Others have brought warfare analogies and strategies to this issue, and when I have seen them, I could quickly tell that they really had never been on the battlefield. I have also seen many “tough guys,” former soldiers, including Special Forces veterans, get involved in this milieu. Virtually without exception, in the end, they were all cowards. Physical heroism is no substitute for “moral” heroism, as people like Mark Twain knew ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#twain ). In fact, when those Young Warriors appeared with their weaponry, ready to take on the “bad guys,” about the only thing that you could guarantee was that when it came time to use their weapons, they would only be used on each other or you, with Godzilla standing back and enjoying the show. I have lived through several of those episodes.


So, the odds of your strategy working are long indeed, and I have already seen many lives sacrificed trying similar tactics. I am not saying that my strategy has better odds, but the means become the ends, and the last thing that the world needs is people bringing FE to the world from an us-versus-them mentality. A big reason why I am going about it the way that I am is that if the group that I envision gets us over the hump, they will also be in a position to lead humanity into an enlightened implementation of FE. FE in the hands of a bunch of Young Warriors, fresh from “victory,” is a scary concept. When those warriors finally grow up, they can be vital allies. Only Warriors who have renounced violence and coercion are any help in this field (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors ).

Also, I have studied warfare a little too much in my life (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm ), and there is a huge myth that guerilla warfare really works (it is a companion to the idea that the elites are “good guys” – which can be found in folk tales the world over). It never really has. If the imperial overlord/invader wanted the land and its fruits bad enough, the guerillas did not have a prayer. Famous instances of guerilla warfare “winning” give very different lessons than the myths portray. The USA won its independence primarily because the French committed vast resources to gaining vengeance on its imperial rival (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#fathers ), and the British were stressed from imperial overreach, and they were not about to unleash the genodical tactics that they used on the Indians on their white brethren).

Not long ago, I critiqued a “guerrilla warfare” manual for bringing disruptive technologies like FE to market, and the author based it on the Vietnam experience. He was playing boy-general. I considered it a misguided effort, and Vietnam is a dubious example of a guerilla warfare “victory.” Yes, the invaders eventually withdrew, but as people like Chomsky have pointed out, the main U.S. goals were realized, which was to make an example out of the region, to keep any other upstarts from thinking that they could opt out of the global capitalist system (similar examples were made out of Nicaragua, Chile, and even Cuba, although Cuba could be argued as a success, but that would be a very interesting calculus of its success; Haiti is the world’s only successful slave rebellion ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#haiti ), but look at Haiti today). About 55K American invaders died in Southeast Asia, while directly killing or creating the conditions for several million natives to die violently. Southeast Asia will not recover in a hundred years from what we did to them, and talk about pyrrhic victories, as in recent years, Vietnam has been trying to lure corporations in, so they can build sweatshops and exploit the cheap labor. In the end, capitalism won.

Also, Vietnam is another instance where the guerilla “victory” had plenty of help from imperial rivals. Afghanistan versus the Soviet Union was another instance where the “guerillas” were used in a proxy war (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#brzezinski ). Today in Iraq and Afghanistan, the guerilla wars have had the standard statistics; while several thousand invaders and occupiers have died, several million people in the invaded nations have died (http://countercurrents.org/polya090709.htm ). Only when the invader/occupier decides that the cost/benefit is no longer there and pulls out, or is defeated by another invader (in Poland’s case, the Soviet Union’s armed forces defeated Germany, in France’s, it was the USA’s invading forces, with the “resistance” really not having much to do with the outcome), do the guerillas “win.” And the USA only invaded Western Europe to keep it in the capitalist fold, as its subsequent treatment of Italy and Greece made clear.

But, I am trying something very different than using guerilla strategies, and we will see how it goes. If we can drop the “sneak up on them” guerilla warfare aspirations, maybe we can get somewhere. Godzilla watches my activities, and anybody who interacts with me is on the radar. There is no “sneak up on them” possible for any FE efforts, especially those launched by the public. Godzilla watches that scene more carefully than any other on Earth, believe me. I have seen some pretty big players (like the head of the CIA) think that they could sneak past Godzilla. Fools all.

I was going to make a post at Avalon to help people see Godzilla’s handiwork when he approaches, as he is doing now. The tell-tale signs are there, and some are not so tell-tale. But, this post took precedence, and I will plunk along on the other post this week, among other chores.

Best,

Wade

[Luke]

All valid points.

Thank you that you spent your time answering to my musings .. as it happens to be only REALLY scarce commodity now (Which makes it next stepstone, IMO)

And about guerilla warfare: Living where I live, cannot agree more. Those are "Bloodlands" for a reason.

EDIT: Sometimes I think that nothing short of vanishing from the planet (as we know it) could accomplish it ... then those that supposedly mastered the mysteries of the matter did precisely that , eventually (true alchemists do not figure in those stories- those are always "students" or those "given" the means to transmutation).

After all the understanding of "matter" involved is more precious than singular gizmo - and if my instincts are true- we are circling the topic of very existence of matter. To pursue such a thing without clearing all the misconceptions in our worldview (including duality-thinking), could be simply impossible.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Luke:

Yes, you are bringing up what is probably the root issue of our existence in physical reality, and gaining that deep understanding is probably the key to making FE happen. I know that I can sound like a broken record on this point, but the masters knew their stuff, and they all knew that love was the answer. I say it too, but there are vitally important and real aspects of it. When New Agers do their mushy “love” stuff, they are not so far off the mark as it may seem. Love is not just a nice feeling to have, but love is literally the power of Creation. All the people I respect in the FE field have love of others as their baseline motivation. When I see people like Mr. Skeptic blatantly lie about Dennis, in order to attribute criminal motivation to him:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

what it really says is that somebody from the “old world” literally cannot comprehend the new one. Mr. Skeptic is probably on the payroll, so his perception is likely not as “honest” as it may seem, but I have seen many others in the FE field blatantly lie about Dennis, too, people who allegedly want FE to happen:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#libel

After watching the innumerable lies and attacks for many years, I came to see it as a love-versus-fear dynamic. Dennis is easily the greatest human being that I ever encountered (he is the only person that I know of who meets all of these qualifications http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#questionnaire ), and the endless attacks from his “allies” show me how far we have to go.

Taking a loving approach on the FE issue is not only a “nice” approach, it also may be the only one that will work, because it is aligned with the Creator.

When you read all the accounts of a New Age arriving, Paradise Restored, Heaven on Earth, the Second Coming and all of that stuff, they are all saying the same thing, with very little real variation. In those realities, love reigns, happiness reigns, the Earth is healed and humanity’s interaction with Earth and nature is mutually beneficial. Obviously, a reality like that has never been the historical human experience. Instead, there is a constant hum of fear that pervades everybody’s awareness, and egocentric, fear-based ideologies prevail:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

Why do they prevail? Mainly because if you subscribe to them, you get a full belly and other economic perks. Fuller “got it” in ways that were important to the evolution of my understanding:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/roots.htm#fuller

In very real ways, love is FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

and I think that until enough of us come from a loving heart, we won’t get FE, and that is appropriate, I think. That is a big reason why I advocate the lamb’s path; it may very well be the only way that will work.

Here is an anecdote along the lines of your speculation. When I was seventeen, I wrote my first science fiction short story. It was about a man who lived on a distant planet. His ancestors came from Earth. They fled due to a nuclear holocaust (this was written during the Cold War days), as Earth became uninhabitable. The protagonist of my story was sent to scout Earth, to see if humanity could re-inhabit its former home. When he got there, he was surprised that Earth’s ecosystems had completely recovered and the radiation was gone. Earth was a paradise, and he spent a long time inspecting its ecosystems, hanging out with its abundant animal life, and indulged himself in a natural experience that no human had ever known. But while he was there, taking in Earth’s majesty, he thought about the civilization that sent him, and how they had yet to learn the lessons of living in harmony with Nature. He then made his report: Earth was still highly radioactive, surprisingly radioactive, and that humanity should not even consider returning to Earth to live for a few thousand more years.

That was what I wrote at age seventeen, and I can easily discern a lot of my subsequent motivation for pursuing FE. I wrote that story only a year after my mentor invented the world’s best engine for powering an automobile:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#glimpse

So, let’s say that your musings are familiar to me.

But, I know that we do not necessarily need to leave our home to “get it.” Again, that heavenly world that Roads visited is no fiction in my book:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

I know highly accomplished mystical types who have visited such realities. In fact, I lent that book to one of them once (which is partly why my copy is falling apart and I will be buying a new copy soon), and the mystic said that it was just like places that he visited.

And how did that world come to be? They consciously chose love, which led to their mastery of energy. They could control the weather, but chose not to. They had genetic engineering, but with the life form’s eager consent. Humanity’s level of consciousness leapt up a few orders of magnitude. The average six-year-old knew more about the human body and how to be healthy than anybody living on Earth today. The entire human society was vegetarian and no animal was ever exploited, not even to be a pet. Humans and animals could choose to be together, but nobody “owned” a plant or animal.

I understand and sympathize that most people regard it as some Peter Pan fantasy, and all I can say is that they have yet to understand.

This “stampede of lambs” approach that I am advocating, which seems silly to many, may very well be the only way to a world of FE, because the means become the ends.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#idealist

Those who think that we need to kill the bad guys, or that they can defeat Godzilla in battle, do not yet understand, and they are acting from their Young Warrior delusions:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#warriors

When people try to play the sneaky game, the capitalist game, the “let’s fight Godzilla" game, and so on, they are operating from fear, and we aren’t going to get to FE by playing the fear game, and if by some “miracle” we do get there by playing the fear game, that is when you can blow up a planet; although I think that there is a failsafe in, at least for this iteration of the game on Earth, and the fearful approach literally won’t work.

Perceptive readers should easily see a familiar dynamic here. The “realists” say that that mushy love stuff is well and good, but you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. The “realists” believe that the ends justify the means, which is why they always fail. I think that one reason why the vast majority of humanity is in the denial layers of the FE onion:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#chart

is that at some deep level they know that FE and heaven on Earth means “game over” for their soul’s game of “kill or be killed,” “I win, you lose,” and so forth, so they don’t want the world that people like me envision. I think that I have to respect their awareness, however dark and fearful it is, which is another reason why I am taking the lamb’s path. At this time, more than 99% of humanity is against the idea of FE, and you probably have to see it to believe it. Brian O decided to play the Paul Revere of FE in 1996, and openly wondered several years later, after long rides around the planet, if humanity is really a sentient species. When I heard him say that, I knew that he found out. There is nothing like finding out through direct personal experience. Everybody who has ever walked the high road to FE has made similar observations.

I have written before that there may be several reasons for those kinds of reactions. They may have been hooked on scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#misinformation

were playing their soul’s game of darkness and privation, and so on. In the end, the people I respect who advocate FE, and those denying it, are on opposite sides of the love/fear duality.

Got to run off to work now.

Love,

Wade

[Chicodoodoo]

When people try to play the sneaky game, the capitalist game, the ?let?s fight Godzilla game,? and so on, they are operating from fear, and we aren?t going to get to FE by playing the fear game

Good stuff, Wade. There is integrity in the world, but just like free energy, it has no allowed outlet in a society directed by sociopaths. Everything continues to point to sociopaths in positions of power and control as being the root problem. If they weren't there, free energy would already be ours. How do we disqualify people lacking empathy and integrity from positions of power and control?

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Chicodooddo:

The sociopaths in power are only a symptom of the problem. We let them do it. When they sing their songs of fear and avarice, they get an eager audience. Hitler, Stalin, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Reagan, Limbaugh, FOX News, and the rest of the fear mongers did not just appear from nowhere. Yes, they had elite help to attain their positions, but they only got to their seemingly lofty positions because their egocentric messages resonated with the masses. Rush is only on the air because he has millions of ditto-heads out there, and they are largely the victims of his message, paradoxically. Joe Bageant wrote very perceptively on how America?s downtrodden actually voted against their interests and did the elite?s bidding for them, as they screwed themselves over.

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2011/0...1946-2011.html

He ended his Rainbow Pie with a chapter on that subject.

The dark pathers? greatest triumph is when their victims ask for it.

What if Rush was on and nobody listened? What if Bush tried to march a nation off to war, but nobody went?

This is one of the best descriptions that I have seen of the America that I know:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/07/...g-the-obvious/

Remember that famous quote about the only reason that evil men prevail is that good men do nothing? That is close to the mark. In a world that has FE, there are no positions of ?power,? not in the way that we think of power today.

I am in the midst of writing a post for Avalon that is intended to help educate readers on what Godzilla looks like when he appears. His minions never show up as a**holes, but usually show up as affable idealists who are just trying to help. And when their actions quickly betrayed their professed motivation, it was incredible to see how stupidly people fell under their sway, people who were a heck of lot smarter than me and who should have known better. They always unmask themselves eventually:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#darkness

No, the demagogues find a ready audience for their evil messages. The problem is us, not them. We do their dirty work for them, and eagerly. That was the primary lesson of my journey:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

If there were ten Dennis?s and a hundred Mr. Professors:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mr

who combined their efforts, we would have had FE long ago. There are seven billion people on this planet. As I have mentioned previously, I am shooting for something less heroic, on a per-pound basis, so there have to be more of us, but several thousand who can simply comprehend abundance can probably do it, too:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#done

There have to be enough out there, but if there are not, then I guess that we will get, collectively, what we deserve, but if we do, I hope that Scotty beams me up, first.

That is my strategy, and that is partly because I have already seen too much FE carnage, and also I have more hope that there will be enough people who can simply lay aside their scarcity-based indoctrination long enough so that we can simply imagine FE and what it can bring. If that can ever happen, there will be harmonic effects that can take it over the top. Others have said things along similar lines:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...den#post274733

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

I just made a post at Avalon that is related to my previous post. I am cross-pollinating the threads it seems:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post297609

[Chicodoodoo]

The sociopaths in power are only a symptom of the problem. We let them do it.

The problem is us, not them.

I would like to explore this perspective of yours, if I may. The people you mention (Hitler, Stalin, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Reagan, etc.) are indeed sociopaths, but they are just obedient puppets in the service of the real controllers. The real controllers are also sociopaths, but more sophisticated sociopaths. We don't really know who they are, and they never appear on any ballot, because they wisely prefer to remain hidden. They control the money, which controls everything else.

If the sociopaths in power (and I'm not talking about the puppets) are only a symptom of the problem, then what is the root problem? You claim it is us, and I strongly disagree. We are the victims of the sociopaths. We are the products of their deception and manipulation which we unknowingly ingest from cradle to grave. We are brainwashed throughout our lives, through no volition of our own. That scenario is a symptom of the root problem. Does it come from us, or does it come from the controlling sociopaths? The source of all that deception, manipulation, and propaganda will be the root problem. And I argue that it's not us, it's them.

Who is keeping free energy under wraps? Is it us, or them?

Identifying the root problem is critical if we are to pursue the correct solution. That's why I'm asking you these questions. It is possible that I have misidentified the root problem. All evidence that I have encountered points to sociopaths / psychopaths / the morally insane, whatever term you prefer. If I am wrong, I want to know about it.

Please give me your perspective.

[Tamara]

Quote from Wade:
We let them do it. The problem is us, not them.

So true, but for how much longer?

[Krystic]

it's a combination of so many things...but the ROOT of the problem lies in the spiritual realms...why have humans been so dumbed down?,,,at higher levels did they make the freewill choice to face this challenge?.if so then there are NO victims...are humans being controlled at deeper multidimensional/spiritual levels..are there such things as sorcerer,mass subliminal programming,entity attachments,etheric cord between humans and between humans and off-world entities?..addressing this issue at a 3d mind level gets you nowhere...it goes much deeper and it's about spiritual maturity,,which the universe is making more and more abundantly clear to those who are not maturing..it's about frequency..and that's changing fast and that's a good thing and the only way for things to change before it's too late.The universe knows how to deal with inorganic systems..and it's dealing now!

This guy has some interesting things to say about how humans can be hacked,,he brings up quite a few issues that NEED to be considered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0NfC...re=uploademail

addressing these issues on the mental level alone gets you nowhere...just creates lots of "noise"..it needs to be addressed on ALL levels ..mental.physical emotional and most of all SPIRITUAL..for example,.religions breed sociopaths and their followers...root out and banish the negative entities that are their "gods" and POSSESS these spiritually immature people and a huge part of the problem gets unplugged....the mental level won't solve much in a hurry and time is running out

[Luke]

I would like to explore this perspective of yours, if I may. The people you mention (Hitler, Stalin, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Reagan, etc.) are indeed sociopaths, but they are just obedient puppets in the service of the real controllers. The real controllers are also sociopaths, but more sophisticated sociopaths. We don't really know who they are, and they never appear on any ballot, because they wisely prefer to remain hidden. They control the money, which controls everything else.

If the sociopaths in power (and I'm not talking about the puppets) are only a symptom of the problem, then what is the root problem? You claim it is us, and I strongly disagree. We are the victims of the sociopaths. We are the products of their deception and manipulation which we unknowingly ingest from cradle to grave. We are brainwashed throughout our lives, through no volition of our own. That scenario is a symptom of the root problem. Does it come from us, or does it come from the controlling sociopaths? The source of all that deception, manipulation, and propaganda will be the root problem. And I argue that it's not us, it's them.

Who is keeping free energy under wraps? Is it us, or them?

Identifying the root problem is critical if we are to pursue the correct solution. That's why I'm asking you these questions. It is possible that I have misidentified the root problem. All evidence that I have encountered points to sociopaths / psychopaths / the morally insane, whatever term you prefer. If I am wrong, I want to know about it.

Please give me your perspective.

Ok

(1) How many sociopaths are there, as a percentage of population: 10%? I saw a studies that say under 2% . but it depends how broad the definition is
(2) Given that, in no place they can gain a a physical number superiority. Without such superiority they must rely for people that will do their bidding by other means.
(3) Why people do their bidding, and what will make them not?

This is mechanism very similar to that, which is used by parasites to dumb-down the immunological system of the victim.

The victim receives signals that say that parasite is either unseen or is benevolent.

In current circumstances the dumbed down, medicated, indoctrinated and distracted by trivialities "majority" do recognize "parasites" as benevolent. The more dire situation looks , this will be actually more and more visible, as people will be asking for entitlements from politically connected class, while "the rest will be trying to survive the onslaught both from bottom and from above.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Chicodooddo:

Good question. I think that I have dealt with it in my work pretty thoroughly, but here goes. Again, I am working on a Godzilla post at Avalon which is intended to help readers identify Godzilla when he appears, because he is snooping around in my vicinity right now.

My writings on this subject are not some theory, but are derived from my experiences in dealing with Godzilla and his minions. Dennis was one of the greatest threats that Godzilla ever faced, but he only got there after being chewed on by the lower-level predators. I am not going to call Hitler, Stalin and Limbaugh mere puppets, although I understand the sentiment. They were agents of their own volition. Yes, they were/are down the food chain a ways from Godzilla, but they were/are only playing a game that aligns with Godzilla’s goals. Again, for FE suppression, Godzilla almost never needs to lift a claw, because we do his work for him. It is hard to blame Godzilla for having motivations that almost everybody has, at one level or another. The lust for wealth and power is insatiable, but it is far from the sole province of the sociopaths.

My big surprise was not that Godzilla exists and is vigilant, but how almost everybody does his bidding, wittingly or not. Many people are anonymous in my writings, as I protect both the innocent and the guilty, but the guilty include my parents, and my mother’s dementia is freeing me to disclose some of it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post296001

When the investigator for the prosecution told Mr. Researcher that he did not even care if Dennis was guilty or not:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#care

he was voicing attitudes held by nearly all prosecutors, but only in the sticks of Ventura County would they openly admit it. During my ride with Dennis, I came to realize that personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

and I resisted that lesson every step of the way. Heck, today, the USA is responsible for unprovoked genocides that vastly exceed what Hitler or Stalin accomplished. The death toll for Korea, Southeast Asia and Iraq and Afghanistan is nearly twenty million people, and I pretty much can’t find an American who knows or cares. But somehow, we are the good guys, bringing the light to the world.

I am sorry, but the average American, glued to the tube, watching Dancing with the Stars or Internet porn, gets the lion’s share of the responsibility for the evils that the USA is inflicting on the world today, not Godzilla. Godzilla makes sure that the game proceeds as intended; as long as we slaughter each other as we fight over our crumbs, Godzilla sits back and drinks a beer. To see all of us as victims of Godzilla’s machinations does not square with what I found during my FE days. What was incredible to me was watching people a lot smarter than me get effortlessly manipulated when Godzilla’s minions showed up. It was so obvious what the minions were up to, and I tried warning the people I saw run into Godzilla’s lair. They called me an idiot and other epithets, with a grin on their face as they raced into the lair, with their hands out, eagerly awaiting the riches promised them. I walked away as they disappeared into the lair, but I got to hear their shrieks of agony when Godzilla began munching on them. How did he lure them in? Almost always by promising riches and other perks that would never materialize, but the price of admission to getting eaten by Godzilla was usually betraying people like Dennis, and almost everybody was only too happy to do that, for the right price. We are the enemy, not Godzilla.

Orwell wrote about it in 1984, about where there were three classes, the highs, mediums and lows. The lows were Marx’s proletariat, and the Big Boys did not need to do sophisticated brainwashing; the lows just needed to show up to work every day, to perform their mundane tasks as cogs in the machine. The highs were the elite, but at around the Godzilla level. The mediums were the elites who were constantly trying to take the high’s place. That is what I saw over and over during my FE days. The people who ended up hurting us the worst were our allies, and I literally heard them say that Godzilla’s days were numbered, and it was their turn to run things. They never hurt Godzilla, but they sure put the daggers in our backs, in their idiocy, doing Godzilla’s work for him in their lust for wealth and power. Godzilla is just the master of a game that about 99% of humanity would play if they got the chance. I saw it happen too many times to deny it, and again, it was the primary lesson of my journey. And everybody who has ever played at the high levels for very long agrees with me, although they realize that it is impolite to admit it publicly. Well, I am stating the unpopular truth. Others have too:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/07/...g-the-obvious/

I have said it in my interviews with Scott (this one in particular);

http://www.youtube.com/user/Spectrum...CC03E294B890CD

It is difficult to tell Godzilla’s minions from the normal shark tank capitalist people, because they act the same. If any of those “mediums” were able to get in the driver’s seat, they would become the new Godzilla, and eagerly. As Luke says, the psychopaths are maybe two percent of the population. I have seen it as high as five percent. I believe that “psychopath” is just the Western term for “dark path,” and the dark pathers are simply those who have made self-service a science:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

My writings on the subject are not rooted in theory, but my direct personal experiences. I am not too interested in theoretical musings on the subject of the hyper-elites. That is where conspiracism comes in:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

It is a pitfall that swallows up most of those who begin to figure it out. Unfortunately, most of the people at Avalon and Nexus are in the conspiracism crowd, with an often New Agey flavor to it. It is time to stop thinking and acting like victims, and start acting like creators. That can only happen with love, but I understand, very keenly, that it is difficult to manifest that virtue in a world of fear and artificially-enforced scarcity. That is why the FE situation is called a conundrum:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm

I am not saying that it was easy to survive what I did, but the problem is not the small fraction of 1% that “calls the shots,” but the 99+% that dances along to the tune. I am not saying that Godzilla is not racking up some hefty karma, but by far, the rest of us rack up the largest tally.

I wrote something at Avalon last night about the stage where humanity is on the K?bler-Ross scale of grieving.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post297609

and wrote a little more about it, and the delusional Young Warriors like Marx, who thought that violent revolution was the answer:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post297833

He eventually realized his folly, but his communist followers did not. Those who think that they can take on Godzilla are spiritual adolescents, and I have seen many come and go over the years. They do most of the damage, not Godzilla.

Luke’s and Krystic’s post on the “parasites” are what I see as the Western model, similar to Pasteur’s disease theory, which sees disease as one where outside agents infect the organism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#pasteur

Pasteur had contemporaries who were not obsessed with wealth and fame like he was, and they discovered different dynamics, where disease really came from within:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#paradigm

I have written at length about the victim-oriented theories of Pasteur and the political-economic victim-oriented theories:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#fail

and why their “treatments” are always such disasters. I remember reading in The Aquarian Gospel, after Jesus performed an exorcism. He said that indeed, the person was possessed, but that such entities could only possess people who provided a home, with their empty heads and empty hearts.

This is a conflict of paradigms, folks, and I write about it plenty:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#coming

As long as people see us all as victims of malevolent forces, they will come up with their victim-oriented “solutions” that usually amount to “getting the bad guys.” I am about the only participant at Avalon or Nexus that was indisputably stepped on by Godzilla. Pretty much everybody else is a spectator with zero experience in playing on the high road, with most in the thrall of conspiracism. Heck, almost nobody even uses their real name, which is not exactly heroic. And I am here to tell you that although being stepped on hurt, quite a bit, the big surprise was how my “allies” eagerly assisted Godzilla when it came to nut-cutting time.

The enemy is us, not Godzilla.

Gotta get to work on my Godzilla post.

Best,

Wade

[Chicodoodoo]

the problem is not the small fraction of 1% that ?calls the shots,? but the 99+% that dances along to the tune.

Thanks, Wade! I appreciate the depth of your experience, and the effort you make to share it with us.

I could buy your argument if there were only two parties involved, but believing there are only two parties involved is an over-simplification. You and I are not sociopaths, nor are we the deluded ready to serve them. We are a third party. Using Luke's analogy, there is the parasite, there is the average host that doesn't know he is infected, and then there is the host that realizes he is infected and is looking for ways to remove the parasite.

Note that the root problem is not the host. It is the parasite. This becomes obvious from the perspective of the third party. Removing the parasite cures the host.

The ignorant host is indeed a victim. The aware host is your potential "creator". He will create a solution, and the best solution will likely involve eradicating the parasite. If that doesn't make the root problem obvious, I'm not sure what will.

[Krystic]

the psychopaths have really done a good job with wade and Chicoo and most people... trapped in the mental construct,unaware of the deeper spiritual roots of this issue..trapped deep in the mind control/sense control of the 3d 5 sense cage,...so you are not even close to recognising the problem..you are operating from the levels that the controllers want you to be in,thinking you are aware of the issues..and not able to percieve the real root of the problem,which CAN NOT be addressed at the mind or 5 sense level in any effective way..

.it's not either the host or the parasite..it's both.

You don't know that you don't know...it's a multidimensional issue that goes back millions of years...it's a SPIRITUAL ISSUE and you need to ask deeper questions and connect to your spirits

it's a battle over conciousness at VERY DEEP spiritual levels...and can only be effectively won at those levels...think about the PRACTICALITY of your mental solutions,realise how futile the battle is at that level..it's so obviously futile at those levels..too many psychopaths with too much power.too many dumbed down people..not enough time at the levels you are addressing this issue at,,the root of the problems need to be addressed and they are being addressed.,..by people and beings with much more awareness than us

[Luke]

The parasite will only take root when he has opportunity to settle in.
Even if we stay in the mainstream science understanding, they can take root only in fraction of those exposed to the pathogen - those whose systems are "compatibile". I have not seen good explanation to why? question.

(Naessens and somatids are new thing to me, but they fit in in the general theme of "turns into cul-de-sacks", seen elsewhere)

I know people exposed to the various pathogens/elements on daily basis, and they saw no signs of any sickness (makes doctors quite unhappy, but those people are universally happy and well grounded individuals). I saw people living in sterile environments and obsessed with "cleanness" that fall due some minor "bug".
There are known archeological finds of old people with perfect teeth from before the time "dental hygiene" was even dreamed of.

I agree with Wade- parasites are but a factor. Factor that healthy organism will have no problem dealing with.

Problem is, if I can borrow from Castaneda: "mind of predator" or parasite, that so many mistake for their own .. and then try to match something that is really alien to their being. This makes very manageable "feeding ground" - so many wannabees doing dirty work.

[Chicodoodoo]

the psychopaths have really done a good job with wade and Chicoo and most people...

Krystic, I won't argue with results. When you have some that supports your perspective, please present them.

[Chicodoodoo]

The parasite will only take root when he has opportunity to settle in.

Luke, there are dangerous parasites and pathogens that can easily infect humans upon a single exposure, regardless of the health of the individual. Sociopaths are like these parasites. Our exposure to them begins before birth and ends at death.

I think your quoted statement is another oversimplification.

[Fred259]

Hi Folks,

I have read much about the subject and have often followed Wade Frazier and his work, however much it would seem is missing.

I have been looking into Ley Lines or the earth’s energy lines as they are sometimes called. Cutting a long story short I met a 75 year old man who has spent the last 40 years researching Ley Lines. In his lifetime’s work he has walked at least 6,000 miles in quite inhospitable countryside following these energy lines.

At the start of the northern hemisphere summer we set out together. He taught me the dowsing techniques. Later I set out on my own following his work step by step, in open countryside, over hills and mountains sometimes wading through streams or up to the chest in undergrowth. I can tell you its very hard work, and then eventually after perhaps 9 miles I arrived at a standing stone. This stone is marking the Ley line.

Here is an example of the stone set in place by our ancestors around the Bronze Age perhaps 2-3000BC

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The energy line runs through the valley and under the mountain. Walking in a straight line over the mountain from bottom to top I picked up a small track no more than 5 inches wide that the sheep had created by following the earth energy.

Essentially I’ve been walking from standing stone like the one above with a dowsing rod in my hand and following the energy line. The rod itself is mild steel 3mm think and around 300mm long. The rod is angled over through 90 degrees for a further 150mm which is the part I have in my hand.

This is what happens. Walking towards the standing stone the rod is very responsive and will point towards the stone rigidly. It works the same way as a compass and will continue to point towards the stone in a constant relative bearing.

While walking long the energy line from standing stone to standing stone the dowsing rod is moving in wavelength and amplitude and so a frequency is being produced. Generally it’s the equivalent of VHF band. This intrigued me.

Later I discussed this with my friend. We went to some local standing stones with a volt meter to test the connectivity. It didn’t work. However when we placed a natural crystal stone about the size of a hand on the standing stone the frequency shot up towards microwave S/EHF band!

Walking from standing stone along the energy line I arrived at a stone circle. This is even more confusing. Here the energy lines cross and head in different directions.

Lovers of Shakespeare’s Macbeth may recall Dunsinane Hill. The photograph below is looking south towards Dunsinane Hill. You can see the classic Iron Age fort with mound defences at the top of the hill. However towards the bottom of the photograph around the 4 o’clock position are some stones embedded in the hillside. These mark the Ley line and were installed by our Bronze Age ancestors.

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I dowsed towards the stones following the energy line and over Dunsinane Hill down the valley and through the forest on the far side of the photograph. I eventually ended up at this standing stone circle in thick woods. This was even more confusing. Here the energy lines cross and head in different cardinal directions.

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Stone Circle where Energy Lines Cross.

Moving through the forest is slow progress and I was subconsciously aware of the birds probably crows and other birds of pray screeching away continually while I fought my way through thick undergrowth. Arriving at the standing circle I collapsed exhausted in a heap. Settling down over a bottle of water and a pork pie I noticed that it had all gone rather quite. With my strength regained I started dowsing the stones........then all hell broke loose again for the second time again from the birds. I broke out of the woods and into open fields and noticed perhaps hundreds of them, black crows flying around in a perfect circle squawking away.

The energy line continued west through a small field enclosed by a dyke. (A dry stone wall about waist height) Peering over the dyke and into the field I noticed 12 cows all sitting in a straight line directly over the energy line. ( I then drove home at 90mph and hid under the bed)

Over the next four weekends I followed the energy line in an almost direct line for 37 miles back into the mountains and up into a remote hanging valley.

This is the bit that’s hard to accept. High in this hanging valley is a Druids Cave. The photograph below is the cave. However this is not a natural cave formed by nature rather the cave has been constructed with those large rocks which have been moved from a crag around half a mile away.

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Man Made Druids Cave – a primitive (or is it) parabolic radar dish propagating energy.

The energy goes back into the cave which acts like a parabolic antenna in much the same way as a radar mast or the TV satellite dish on your outside wall. Energy is going back into this cave and then transmitted locally just like radar propagation.

I mentioned earlier that my 75 year old friend has researched this for forty years. He has had visitors from Russia, South Africa and the US, scientist’s academics and I guess people like you and me. A very senior academic in the UK told him that other Physicists would not know about this because he was responsible for training all physics lecturers at UK Universities!

So what’s going on? I have walked about 217 miles over the summer dowsing these Ley energy lines. Some of the lines were new to us but mostly I was following the energy lines that David had already charted. I was checking for myself his theory and work and gaining an understanding of his knowledge.

Around 2,500 square miles has been positively researched and documented over the last 40 years by David.

These energy lines all go back into three distinct volcanic plugs Edinburgh Castle, Stirling Castle and Ailsa Craig all in Scotland. Obviously the castles were built a few hundred years ago on the extinct volcanic plugs.

It’s thought that the Ley Lines were formed when the earth was formed during the period when volcanoes were active.

It’s though that extensive cracking took place over vast distances, and that water flows between these cracks or channels.

The water is percolating and being influenced by the earths magnetic core minerals and other elements within the earths structure.

It’s thought that the water may be flowing for thousands of miles and through many different earth structures and profiles, and that this is giving off energy that’s being detecting while dowsing.

Ley lines are found throughout the world. Our Bronze Age ancestors knew this and built standing stones and stone circles where energy was known to exist. Why they did this remains a mystery for us in our modern world but it’s indicative of how close and connected with nature these early people were.

David is a modest man, and is not one to exaggerate or seek attention. I mention this because I have repeatedly asked him how extensive these subterranean channels are. Whilst he is very aware that energy lines exist throughout the world he prefers sticking with his own work and findings. He will not pontificate about energy lines in Australia, because he doesn’t know for sure. He might have an opinion, but he doesn’t know for sure. He does know about the 2,500 square miles he has dowsed and charted, of which I have walked just over 200 miles and I have to say it cant be disputed.


Another major Ley Line start's at the Monolithic Stone Standing circle at Callanish on the Isle of Lewis. (This is situated at the very top left hand corner of Scotland / UK) This line also connects via Edinburgh and routes under Carlton Hill within the city. This area is also known as the Athens of the North.

Its been suggested that the Callanish Ley Line connects with Mount Olympus in Greece and I wondered if this was some ancient connection and why Edinburgh is referred to as the Athens of the North.

With a world Mercator chart spread out on the kitchen table I noticed that Callanish and Mount Olympus were in fact on a great circle track and that it only actually went through Edinburgh because it’s a volcanic plug.

The great circle track (a straight line) after Mount Olympus then goes through Cairo and the Gulf of Aden places in the world that people like you and I are interested in. From Aden it then continues towards Diego Garcia and eventually towards Tasmania.

The same could be said for anywhere on the Ley Line grid. Mount Shasta for example is also connected to Australia via Hawaii.

A Ley Line exists from the Pyramids in Egypt to the great sanding stones in Old Zimbabwe in Southern Zimbabwe. It then goes in three further directions, east towards Tasmania, west towards South America and north west towards the Megalithic stones in the Western Sahara of Algeria.

If you then take a ruler and protractor and measure the bearing its clear to see that the Algerian Megalithic Stones are connected with Callanish in the Western Isles of Scotland and that this track passes through Stonehenge and the Giants Causeway in Northern Ireland plus or minus around one degree of longitude which is 60 nautical miles.

Appreciate that I am using Stonehenge and Callanish as running fixes on a map because I am in the UK. Mount Shasta and Sedona Arizona in the US are also part of this grid which connects westerly with Hawaii and in a south westerly direction towards Easter Island. Essentially one can start anywhere as they are all nodes.

Easter Island connects with the pyramids in Mexico and also New Orleans, Atlanta, Washington, New York, Philadelphia, Boston and Nova Scotia.

Trafalgar Square in London is a node where Ley lines in the capital. The same can be said for Capital Hill in Washington DC. Resembling the Star of David many point towards freemasonry. Is this just a coincidence I wonder?

It needs to be stressed that the volcanic Ley Lines existed long before mankind ever decided to build cities monuments pyramids or structures. Indeed that fact that our ancestors were in tune with nature and knew of the existence of earths energies was the reason they build settlements that became towns that became cities.

Hs anyone else experienced this?

[Chicodoodoo]

It needs to be stressed that the volcanic Ley Lines existed long before mankind ever decided to build cities monuments pyramids or structures. Indeed that fact that our ancestors were in tune with nature and knew of the existence of earths energies was the reason they build settlements that became towns that became cities.

That has some interesting implications. For instance, what advantage is there to humans when they live where these energy fields are strong?

[Luke]

Luke, there are dangerous parasites and pathogens that can easily infect humans upon a single exposure, regardless of the health of the individual. Sociopaths are like these parasites. Our exposure to them begins before birth and ends at death.

I think your quoted statement is another oversimplification.

Following your line of reasoning, you should commit suicide because there are parhogens /cancirogens/ parasite eggs/viruses everywhere, and you cannot get rid of it without torching the whole planet.

HELLO, this is called Nature.

You cannot wage war with naturally occurring phenomenon - but you can make yourself so you would not affected by those factors. Let them be. They have their uses, just like mosquito or tapeworm have. They cull out weak individuals.

WHY the humanity become so weak, imbalanced, that it cannot deal with few parasites?

[Chicodoodoo]

Following your line of reasoning, you should commit suicide

Fortunately, my line of reasoning is not as you imagine.

Your argument is along the lines of: 1) Danger is natural. 2) You cannot avoid danger, and it can kill you. 3) You might as well commit suicide.

I must say, you are amusing!

The error is that we can avoid danger. Likewise, there is much that humans can do to avoid being damaged by parasites. And the same goes for avoiding damage by sociopaths. It's as 'simple' as identifying the sociopaths and disqualifying them from any position of control or power.

Humanity can deal with parasites (sociopaths). The problem is that it is not doing so. Through a variety of cunning means, the sociopaths have us under their control, and even better, they have us convinced that all is well, when in fact, all is dangerously not well.

A parasite that can control the mind is the most dangerous parasite of all, and we've got them.

[Luke]

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A parasite that can control the mind is the most dangerous parasite of all, and we've got them.

That IS the point

Or rather, this is as close to point, without realizing that YOUR mind and parasite's mind are quite different thing .. and that you never really used your own mind. Even the drive to destroys "others" (whatever label you are giving them) is a parasite's projection.

This is the 'prime confusion'.

The loot-drive is what follows.

The ones labelled "sociopaths" are just those most susceptible to the illusion - but noone here is really free of it. If you remove one bad guy, the "next in line" steps in. You can remove them one by one, till you run out of people. This is why I call it suicide.

The root of the problem that needs to be addressed is the mechanism that ALLOWS parasite to project it's will on subject. The mechanisms that protect the parasite from being flushed out by healthy organism's response.

[Chicodoodoo]

The root of the problem that needs to be addressed is the mechanism that ALLOWS parasite to project it's will on subject. The mechanisms that protect the parasite from being flushed out by healthy organism's response.

I think the root of the problem is still the parasite. The mechanisms of the parasite are functions of the parasite itself. If you remove the parasite, you solve the problem.

In the case of sociopaths, we are not talking about removing them, because as you point out, that is a fruitless task as the line separating "deviant" from "normal" will keep shifting. Instead, we identify them and disqualify them from positions of power and control. Since they are still present in society, there is no shifting of the demarcation line.

[Luke]

I think the root of the problem is still the parasite. The mechanisms of the parasite are functions of the parasite itself. If you remove the parasite, you solve the problem.

In the case of sociopaths, we are not talking about removing them, because as you point out, that is a fruitless task as the line separating "deviant" from "normal" will keep shifting. Instead, we identify them and disqualify them from positions of power and control. Since they are still present in society, there is no shifting of the demarcation line.

And what if it is the very existence of "position of control" that makes us susceptible to parasite?

Goes with allowance: if you allow any form of will imposition, you are opening yourself to same. That is one of core mechanics of "life, here, now".

[Chicodoodoo]

And what if it is the very existence of "position of control" that makes us susceptible to parasite?

It not only makes us susceptible to parasites, it encourages the appearance of parasites! That's why I propose eliminating hierarchical structures (meaning lofty positions of control) and allow the people themselves to be the highest authority. See the thread "How do WE decide?"