Results 1 to 23 of 23

Thread: keshe foundation

  1. #1
    Sri Lanka Junior Member Kumaran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 27 2011
    Age
    35
    Posts
    5
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 7 Times
    in 3 Posts

    keshe foundation

    Have you heard of this free energy researcher from Belgium mehran keshe. He is a nuclear engineer who has built a fusion reactor which he says can generate antigravity effects. Website is http://keshefoundation.com/home.html . Patent is http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1770717.pdf .He says he has a prototype and has achieved lift. He says he is ready to license this. If true this could help us to colonise the moon, mars and the asteroids. Have a look into this.

    Similar Threads:

  2. #2
    Canada Senior Member Scott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2 2011
    Location
    Ontario
    Posts
    577
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    755
    Thanked 2,263 Times
    in 491 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    I will be having Mr Keshe on the show in a few weeks for a 2 hr interview

    As far as the moon goes, its more than likely already colonized with "Keep Out" sign posted.

    Scott

    Formerly Known as Aztar
    Spectrum Radio Network co-Host

  3. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Scott For This Useful Post:

    Dogon (19th August 2012), Modwiz (6th October 2011), noxon (28th September 2011), Ross (6th October 2011), sandy (28th September 2011), ZookieMonster (6th October 2011)

  4. #3
    Sri Lanka Junior Member Kumaran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 27 2011
    Age
    35
    Posts
    5
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 7 Times
    in 3 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    I will be having Mr Keshe on the show in a few weeks for a 2 hr interview

    As far as the moon goes, its more than likely already colonized with "Keep Out" sign posted.

    Scott
    When will you be having Mr Keshe on your show exactly? Has he agreed to an interview?


  5. #4
    Canada Senior Member Scott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2 2011
    Location
    Ontario
    Posts
    577
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    755
    Thanked 2,263 Times
    in 491 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    He has agreed, but he said he would prefer to do the interview in a specific way, so logistically it could take a few weeks to arrange.

    Scott

    Formerly Known as Aztar
    Spectrum Radio Network co-Host

  6. #5
    Prolific Member ZookieMonster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2 2011
    Location
    pondering in poundSpace on pennyTime
    Age
    50
    Posts
    1,585
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    5,311
    Thanked 5,500 Times
    in 1,367 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Uh-oh ... alarm bells are already going off.

    http://revision3.com/forum/showpost....20&postcount=8

    Hi, Kumaran ... are you the same Kumaran Sanmugathasan quoted at the above URL?

    If so, you have your own answer whether Keshe is a fraud.

    As for myself, alarm bells, cuckoo clocks, vuvuzelas, even a symphony by P.D.Q. Bach ... are jamming at the earports!



    ps: I'd fully investigate this guy before you bring him on to Spectrum, Scott. Appears too good to be true.

    Cheers________ I have neither the knowledge nor the wisdom to be your messiah,and barely enough to be mine. ___
    Uncle Zook___ You can lead a horse to philosophers, but you can't make it think.
    __
    ___________ When surrounded by tinder wood, better to curse the darkness than light the candle.

    ________ I drink, therefore I am not because I have to.

  7. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ZookieMonster For This Useful Post:

    Harley (6th October 2011), HURRITT ENYETO (7th October 2011), Modwiz (7th October 2011), robert (6th October 2011)

  8. #6
    Canada Senior Member Scott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2 2011
    Location
    Ontario
    Posts
    577
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    755
    Thanked 2,263 Times
    in 491 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by ZookieMonster View Post
    Uh-oh ... alarm bells are already going off.

    http://revision3.com/forum/showpost....20&postcount=8

    Hi, Kumaran ... are you the same Kumaran Sanmugathasan quoted at the above URL?

    If so, you have your own answer whether Keshe is a fraud.

    As for myself, alarm bells, cuckoo clocks, vuvuzelas, even a symphony by P.D.Q. Bach ... are jamming at the earports!



    ps: I'd fully investigate this guy before you bring him on to Spectrum, Scott. Appears too good to be true.
    Aye, its all good Zook, I know people to talk to about this sort of effort.

    Scott

    Formerly Known as Aztar
    Spectrum Radio Network co-Host

  9. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Scott For This Useful Post:

    Modwiz (7th October 2011), sandy (7th October 2011), ZookieMonster (6th October 2011)

  10. #7
    Prolific Member ZookieMonster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2 2011
    Location
    pondering in poundSpace on pennyTime
    Age
    50
    Posts
    1,585
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    5,311
    Thanked 5,500 Times
    in 1,367 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Aye, its all good Zook, I know people to talk to about this sort of effort.

    Scott
    Cool. Three thumbs up!



    ps: Btw, didn't mean to imply that you don't check out all your interviewees to the fullest. In any event, if Keshe is too good to be true, i.e. not the father of a new foundational physics, then your interview should quickly ferret that out. Best of luck. I'll definitely be listening. Gravity as an outcome of a nested magnetic field(s) ... sure sounds intriguing on the surface.

    Cheers________ I have neither the knowledge nor the wisdom to be your messiah,and barely enough to be mine. ___
    Uncle Zook___ You can lead a horse to philosophers, but you can't make it think.
    __
    ___________ When surrounded by tinder wood, better to curse the darkness than light the candle.

    ________ I drink, therefore I am not because I have to.

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to ZookieMonster For This Useful Post:

    Modwiz (7th October 2011)

  12. #8
    Sri Lanka Junior Member Kumaran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 27 2011
    Age
    35
    Posts
    5
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 7 Times
    in 3 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    I am the person on the forum. I thought Keshe was a fraud then. I am not so sure now. I listened to several of his interviews. Now I think he may be telling the truth. Regardless of whether he is a frud or not interviewing him with good questions will help people determine for sure. I am sure Scott can get the truth out of him.


  13. #9
    UK Member Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 9 2011
    Posts
    255
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 311 Times
    in 138 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Mr Keshe has a little competition.



    Cold fusion rears its head as 'E-Cat' research promises to change the world By David Hambling06 October 11






    [URL="Is Andrea Rossi the messiah -- or just a very naughty boy? Rossi, an Italian inventor, claims to have come up with the Holy Grail of power generation, an "Energy Catalyser" or E-Cat, which produces limitless energy. He has already carried out laboratory demonstrations in front of scientists and the Italian media, and in October he plans to unveil a one-megawatt power plant in the US. If it works, the E-Cat is the biggest thing since atomic power, bringing an inexhaustible supply of cheap energy. It looks much too good to be true and many dismiss it as an obvious scam, but Rossi has powerful support from some surprising quarters. The E-Cat is deceptively simple: hydrogen is passed over a special catalyst based on nickel in a container about a litre in size, and enough heat is produced to boil water. A demonstration in January appeared to show a several kilowatts of output from a four hundred watt input. The catalyst is secret, but Rossi says it can be produced at low cost. The two questions that matter: does it really work? And what are the implications if it does? The E-Cat is the late"]Is Andrea Rossi the messiah -- or just a very naughty boy? Rossi, an Italian inventor, claims to have come up with the Holy Grail of power generation, an "Energy Catalyser" or E-Cat, which produces limitless energy. He has already carried out laboratory demonstrations in front of scientists and the Italian media, and in October he plans to unveil a one-megawatt power plant in the US. If it works, the E-Cat is the biggest thing since atomic power, bringing an inexhaustible supply of cheap energy. It looks much too good to be true and many dismiss it as an obvious scam, but Rossi has powerful support from some surprising quarters. The E-Cat is deceptively simple: hydrogen is passed over a special catalyst based on nickel in a container about a litre in size, and enough heat is produced to boil water. A demonstration in January appeared to show a several kilowatts of output from a four hundred watt input. The catalyst is secret, but Rossi says it can be produced at low cost. The two questions that matter: does it really work? And what are the implications if it does? .



    Full article here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...at-cold-fusion


  14. #10
    Sri Lanka Junior Member Kumaran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 27 2011
    Age
    35
    Posts
    5
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 7 Times
    in 3 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Have you heard of the work of Larry Maurer and Michael Miller who suggest using lasers to achieve quantum tunneling for instant travel to the stars. Author Paul Kirsch has written a book about them. Website is http://www.teardropdeepspace.com/ , http://www.thiswaytothestars.org/ .


  15. #11
    UK Member Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 9 2011
    Posts
    255
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    305
    Thanked 311 Times
    in 138 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Andrea Rossi an update on his cold fusion generator,

    A test that took place on October 6, 2011 in Italy has validated Andrea Rossi's claim that the device produces excess energy via a novel Cold Fusion nuclear reaction. Despite its success, the test was flawed, and could have been done in a way that produced more spectacular results -- as if confirmation of cold fusion is not already stunning enough. Andrea Rossi stands in front of his E-Cat apparatus, October 6, 2011 Photo by Maurizio Melis of Radio24 by Hank Mills for Pure Energy Systems News


    Full article here http://pesn.com/2011/10/08/9501929_E...te_Challenges/


  16. #12
    Canada Prolific Member BeYonder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 29 2012
    Age
    52
    Posts
    1,750
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    700
    Thanked 1,731 Times
    in 920 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    is this the same Keshe ???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8inNf30AlnU

    2MIN News July13: Is KESHE Legit?!?!?!?!



  17. #13
    Sweden Member JulietsBleedingToo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 8 2011
    Location
    The stars and to the left...
    Posts
    43
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    670
    Thanked 84 Times
    in 34 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    This looks incredibly interesting! What do you all make of it? :O


  18. #14
    Canada Prolific Member BeYonder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 29 2012
    Age
    52
    Posts
    1,750
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    700
    Thanked 1,731 Times
    in 920 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    ODAYS LINKS
    Keshe Foundation: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...-the-world-pea...

    REPEAT LINKS
    Spaceweather: http://spaceweather.com/ [Look on the left at the X-ray Flux and Solar Wind Speed/Density]

    HAARP: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/data.html [Click online data, and have a little fun]

    SDO: http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/ [Place to find Solar Images and Videos - as seen from earth]

    SOHO: http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-..._movie_theater [SOHO; Lasco and EIT - as seen from earth]

    Stereo: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/images [Stereo; Cor, EUVI, HI - as seen from the side]

    SunAEON:http://www.sunaeon.com/#/solarsystem/ [Just click it... trust me]

    SOLARIMG: http://solarimg.org/artis/ [All purpose data viewing site]

    iSWA: http://iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov/iswa/iSWA.html [Free Application; for advanced sun watchers]

    NOAA ENLIL SPIRAL: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/wsa-enlil/cme-based/ [CME Evolution]

    NOAA Bouys: http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/

    RSOE: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php [That cool alert map I use]

    JAPAN Radiation Map: http://jciv.iidj.net/map/

    LISS: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/monitorin...iplots_gsn.php

    Gamma Ray Bursts: http://grb.sonoma.edu/ [Really? You can't figure out what this one is for?]

    BARTOL Cosmic Rays: http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu//spa...r/welcome.html [Top left box, look for BIG blue circles]

    TORCON: http://www.weather.com/news/tornado-torcon-index [Tornado Forecast for the day]

    GOES Weather: http://rsd.gsfc.nasa.gov/goes/ [Clouds over America]

    INTELLICAST: http://www.intellicast.com/ [Weather site used by many youtubers]

    NASA News: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/

    PHYSORG: http://phys.org/ [GREAT News Site!]

    Always Check the Foreign News Sources as well!!!
    Iran: Mehr News, TehranTimes
    China: Xinhua, China.org, Chinadaily
    Asia Times dot Com
    Russia: Ria Novosti
    Israel: Jerusalem Post, Israel National News, Haaretz
    M/E: ArabNews, AlJazeera


  19. #15
    Prolific Member Odah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2 2011
    Posts
    2,545
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    160
    Thanked 2,707 Times
    in 1,420 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    magnatude 5 and 6 quakes are normal and almost not newsworthy any more .. weather is weird all over the planet.. the magnetic field is in an almost constant state of agitation from the solar flares ..

    cold fusion will become public in the next few years as the grid continues to decay and no attempt is made to replace or rebuild it ..take into account the problems with less rain and water available for farms .. and higher fuel prices despite the increase in supply from fracking ..

    cold fusion.. those cheep to produce the electricty the devices may not be that cheep .. geo thermal will becom more popular as we discove hot spot below the surface and the pumping water down into them is not the best way to do it..and we will rethink how we use tides to generate electricity ..to give poorer areas really cheep and simple systems to generate electrity part of the day ..

    it wont be one system it will be many different ways to generate electricity .. instead one or two dominant and limited which main entrench the control of the powers that be ..


  20. #16
    Switzerland Trainee Earthling Dragonfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 4 2011
    Posts
    380
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    734
    Thanked 674 Times
    in 262 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Why don't we find Keshe patents in the European Patent Office? http://www.epo.org/index.html
    Has anybody an idea about that?

    "All great truths begin as blasphemies"

    George Bernard Shaw

  21. The Following User Says Thank You to Dragonfly For This Useful Post:

    alienHunter (19th August 2012)

  22. #17
    Prolific Member alienHunter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 6 2012
    Age
    60
    Posts
    1,926
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    5,656
    Thanked 1,773 Times
    in 1,022 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    my guess would be because they don't exist...
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why don't we find Keshe patents in the European Patent Office? http://www.epo.org/index.html
    Has anybody an idea about that?



  23. The Following User Says Thank You to alienHunter For This Useful Post:

    Dragonfly (19th August 2012)

  24. #18
    Switzerland Trainee Earthling Dragonfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 4 2011
    Posts
    380
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    734
    Thanked 674 Times
    in 262 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    This is my guess as well......I had never spent studying his work until today. One of the first things I did, was checking the patent office.....
    Maybe I should add, that I would love to be taught better.

    Last edited by Dragonfly; 19th August 2012 at 13:28.
    "All great truths begin as blasphemies"

    George Bernard Shaw

  25. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dragonfly For This Useful Post:

    alienHunter (19th August 2012), JulietsBleedingToo (19th August 2012)

  26. #19
    Senior Member KristenAnn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 10 2012
    Location
    midwest
    Posts
    931
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked 1,093 Times
    in 623 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    What this thread brings to mind is -- well, first of all I wonder WHY someone hasn't brought fusion products into use. Then the thought follows that it seems that those who want to suppress this have SO much power of "persuasion". "Persuasive" tactics that have included killing. Killing can often be masked by many different things -- such as fatal diseases which may have been intentionally created in someone.

    What I've heard from some people who've been in positions where they've had the "Need to Know" and have known about these things including quantum "tunneling" to other planets, is that this HAS BEEN done clandestinely or in secret. I'm suspecting that those who consider themselves "in control" are keeping these things secret to save themselves in case there really is a major Earth catastrophe coming.

    Author, artist, musician: ExploringSacredSpace.com

  27. #20
    Switzerland Trainee Earthling Dragonfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 4 2011
    Posts
    380
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    734
    Thanked 674 Times
    in 262 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Time will tell. Probably it's best to wait until September 21. From my point of view it still sounds too good to be true.

    Last edited by Dragonfly; 19th August 2012 at 18:05.
    "All great truths begin as blasphemies"

    George Bernard Shaw

  28. The Following User Says Thank You to Dragonfly For This Useful Post:

    Dogon (19th August 2012)

  29. #21
    Member Dogon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 3 2011
    Location
    Europe
    Age
    62
    Posts
    202
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    994
    Thanked 1,079 Times
    in 177 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why don't we find Keshe patents in the European Patent Office? http://www.epo.org/index.html
    Has anybody an idea about that?
    Well - it might be recommendable to give the patent a less obvious name. It seems that there is a group working.

    One prove is there: Iran has taken down the american Drone. And it stayed intact.

    Keshe sais it was done with this technology.


  30. The Following User Says Thank You to Dogon For This Useful Post:

    Dragonfly (19th August 2012)

  31. #22
    Prolific Member alienHunter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 6 2012
    Age
    60
    Posts
    1,926
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    5,656
    Thanked 1,773 Times
    in 1,022 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Dr. Thomas Valone...One of the better...spelled trustworthy sources for free energy research.

    http://users.erols.com/iri/TVbio.html
    http://www.science20.com/a_future_lo..._thomas_valone


    "Tom Valone is a former patent examiner who was fired years ago from the patent office and recently won a lawsuit against the US Patent Office. Tom was awarded reinstatement and six years of back pay. Dr Thomas Valone estimated that patent applications for FREE ENERGY related technology have been "secretized" over 3,000 times over the years."

    Presentation regarding the state of the technology...at least a few years old now:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddxRwbDlJfo

    Last edited by alienHunter; 19th August 2012 at 17:18.

  32. #23
    Senior Member KristenAnn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 10 2012
    Location
    midwest
    Posts
    931
    Status
    Offline
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked 1,093 Times
    in 623 Posts

    Re: keshe foundation

    Yes. That's the thing about trying to imagine something that we not only have no experience with, but it's not even in our history. We just can't imagine something like this happening. Being a skeptical person by nature, part of me even still has a very wait-and-see attitude.

    I'll explain why, in my "guy" or deepest level, I feel this to be true. And I've said this before. In the mid '70s I had studied Anthroposophy, which is the amazing findings of the gifted clairvoyant Rudolf Steiner. Steiner made breakthroughs & discoveries in literally every field. He was even more amazing than Cayce because his clairvoyance was always -- where Cayce's was only during trance. Steiner had this ability all the time. For the 2 years of my studies I had a clairvoyant professor named Werner Glas. He said some amazing things, and told us students many things that came true. Both he & Steiner had a near perfect track record.

    In one of his astounding, mind-blowing classes Werner said, "You are living at a time of Noah!". He made this statement in his deep, unforgettable voice with the dramatic British accent. He went on to explain the Wheel of Ages drawn up first by ancient Hindu & Tibetan clairvoyants. It showed that there are cycles of 25,920 years. (I've shown the diagram in my book and have also gone more in-depth with other classes & findings too. Because this is a phenomenal point in time, and I strongly felt that these things would be very helpful for people to understand at this point in time.)

    Anyway, so he went on to explain this. And scientists and others are now saying the same thing. They've said there's a celestial configuration of planets that happens roughly every 26,000 years, and that it WILL have effects on Earth, but they have no idea what those effects will be. Our history doesn't go back that far.

    Werner explained that at either end of that 25,920 year wheel, roughly 13,000 years apart, there's been a major cataclysm throughout history. I asked what happened 13,000 years ago and he said it was the Flood. The fascinating part of his response was that he went on to say that the Flood, recorded by most civilizations, is the story of the final inundation of Atlantis, and the person we've come to know as "Noah" was an Atlantean. And that we are NOW approaching another time like this -- when there will, in our lifetimes (and he said that specifically) be another major Transition happening. But this one will be different. Instead of most of humanity dying and the few remaining having to start over from a much more primitive level as it has thru-out history, it's important that the essentially good people (who have a level of awareness or "frequency") remain alive.

    This was another fascinating point made in that unforgettable class: Werner explained that thru-out history whenever these Transitions have occurred, a Master always comes to "usher in the New Age". And these "New Ages" occur actually roughly every 2,000 years. In the diagram (which you can see at my site in the bottom margin of my posts. Then click on "Chapter 1" at the top under chapters. Scroll down to see the diagram.) It's actually 2 superimposed diagrams. Along the outer edge is the way the Hindus & Tibetans divided it by 8 "Yugas" or Ages. Along the inner edge the Ages are divided into 12 and given the names of the Greek Zodiac. This is what they mean when they've said "the Age of Aquarius". We're moving from the more sleepy Age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius. (The great Ages move in a backward cycle from the way they progress as months.)

    I'm NOT a "religious" person in the traditional way. I'm no "Jesus freak". I've always been an observer, a seeker and a researcher. But I recognize the man Jesus as a soul with great abilities and a clairvoyant. I found these quotes from the Bible that actually relate to that class. It's from Mathew chapter 24. The verses are listed in the quotes.

    36“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37“For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38“For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40“Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41“Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.

    Interestingly, of that many fascinating people who've crossed my path, Dan Fry was one. Dan was a contactee in the '50s and '60s. I met him our west in the late 70s and knew him for 2 years. We had some fascinating conversations over that time. He told me some things that the inter-stellar people had told him. They were fascinated with our Bible and one of the things they explained about it (among several intriguing things) was that the statement that "one will be taken and one will be left" was referring to the end-of-Age times. That it won't matter how close people may be, if you are a lower energy or basically "bad", uncaring person, you won't "go" to the "new" way of existing. Called by some "the New Earth". See, I've heard the same story from many different sources. They all coincide. Something big is going to happen. I'm NOT saying it will be on Dec. 21st. No one knows exactly when, but it will be in our lifetimes and probably in the near future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Time will tell. Probably it's best to wait until September 21. From my point of view it still sound too good to be true.


    Author, artist, musician: ExploringSacredSpace.com

  33. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to KristenAnn For This Useful Post:

    jezza355 (20th August 2012), JulietsBleedingToo (19th August 2012)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •