Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

[Charles]

It is an hour long, but worth the watch.....maybe

[Fred259]

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B737 wiring bus diagram? can someone help me find which bus the chemtrail pumps are located?

[ZookieMonster]

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If you don’t want to read it that’s fine. I’m talking about the 58,000 aircraft movements per day throughout North America, 21,000 per day in Europe, 7,000 per day in the UK, that may or may not according to these ridiculous theories be spraying the planet which according to some could be part of a population reduction process.
[...]

Let's keep it honest, Fred. I clearly stated that chemtrails are real and observable ... that their intent is not yet understood. I then conjectured that population redux was a likely target of chemtrails. Conjecture.

Now you may ask whether conjecture has any place in this discussion. And I would argue that reasonable conjecture not only has a place, but is necessary to understand the larger narrative at play. Is the introduction of population redux into the chemtrails discussion reasonable conjecture? I think anyone who has seen the documentation put out by the pop. growth alarmists; the legislation to control the food supply; Agenda 21; Codex Alimentarius; Georgia Guidestones; induced scarcity of the food supply; Monsanto and terminator seeds; false flag destruction in the Gulf of Mexico and off the coast of Japan (and effects on marine life); fish and bird kills (even cattle kills in the Far East); psychopathic mindsets with PhD's arguing for a massive reduction of the human population by as much as 90%; David Suzuki comparing humans to maggots and the need to manage maggots; Holdren, Ehrlich and Ehrlich jointly scribing a huge tome and ghoul's manual called Ecoscience:

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

... Holdren was appointed by Obama as his science czar.


If you are arguing that population reduction is not a major agenda of the power pyramid, then may I suggest you do some reading on the matter. But if if you agree that it is a major agenda, then will you indulge me and concede that pop. redux. is reasonable conjecture in the narrative of chemtrails, contrails, smoke signals, or whatever the Falklands you might want to call them ... and that you were wrong to derogate that part of the discussion as you do in the above quote?




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B737 wiring bus diagram… can someone help me find which bus the chemtrail pumps are located?

Are you seriously arguing that Boeings or any aircraft cannot be refitted for military purposes??

You're better than that, Fred.

[ZookieMonster]

Off/on switch ?



source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh7qA2tqQ5c

Nice find, Jence!

@0:47 second mark, you can clearly see the effects of the off switch!
@1:47 mark, you can clearly see stuff coming out from the wing area that was not there only a second or so before.

[Charles]

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[Northern Boy]

I suspect one day down the road it shall be a bio hazardous toxin being sprayed thru these planes on an unsuspecting public

[Charles]

I suspect one day down the road it shall be a bio hazardous toxin being sprayed thru these planes on an unsuspecting public

The technology exists, the chemicals exist, the tests and experiments exist, they have been and are being performed. There is plenty of documentation to show it all does. I dont need to be a pilot to understand something is amiss.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I suspect one day down the road it shall be a bio hazardous toxin being sprayed thru these planes on an unsuspecting public

Maybe it has already started years ago.
Maybe they want to reduce the population over generations rather than a mass culling that they can be blamed for.
The only thing that gives me doubts about this mass spraying is how indiscriminate it is. Surely they wouldnt want to kill their own friends and family? or is that a necessary sacrifice in the sociopaths eyes?


Hurritt

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Off/on switch ?



source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh7qA2tqQ5c

Jenci, I can remember the vid that you posted above about all the supposed chemtrails from the passenger jet, (in fact i posted the exact same video on Avalon, and Fred259 convinced me it is bullsh1t) Also the people that make all those vids called 'Tanker Enemy' are also very dubious.
I cant remember the details but i know i was convinced at the time, I'm sure Fred can remember the one.
As far as i remember he debunked it quite comprehensively lol.


Hurritt

[ZookieMonster]

Fred is probably telling the truth wrt the majority of airline flights.

But he is deluding himself if his arguments apply to all airline flights.

All it takes is a fraction of flights dedicated to the task to create the scourge that is weather modification by chemtrailing - at best - and phasewise population modification by chemtrailing - at worst.



ps: I'd like to see Fred's arguments that purportedly debunks Jenci's video above. So Fred, if you be so kind ... Thank you.

[Fred Steeves]

Lest we forget what we saw during the gulf oil spill with the Coast Guard spraying Corexit. Remember this? You need only watch through the first 25 seconds. Handy huh?

[Jenci]

Jenci, I can remember the vid that you posted above about all the supposed chemtrails from the passenger jet, (in fact i posted the exact same video on Avalon, and Fred259 convinced me it is bullsh1t) Also the people that make all those vids called 'Tanker Enemy' are also very dubious.
I cant remember the details but i know i was convinced at the time, I'm sure Fred can remember the one.
As far as i remember he debunked it quite comprehensively lol.


Hurritt

Ok, thanks Hurritt.
I'm sure Fred will be back to debunk it then.

I'm still convinced something is not right with what I am seeing in the skies.
Jeanette

[ZookieMonster]

Great find, Fred of the Dunedin Steeves!!

Hope Fred of Boulevard 259 realizes that Boeings - or any large aircraft - can be fitted for the task ... also that some planes are especially built for the task.

About corexit ... why would anyone of sane mind put this highly toxic stuff out in the environment? The answer, my friends, lies in the insanity.

[ILikeVapor]

Ok, thanks Hurritt.
I'm sure Fred will be back to debunk it then.

I'm still convinced something is not right with what I am seeing in the skies.
Jeanette

Yes, in fact I think these threads would be 90% shorter without Fred's contributions....so maybe we should thank him. All the evidence comes out when he starts with his "head in sand" routine. LOL

[VajraYaya]

Fred259

You say it’s turning through 180 degrees… I very much doubt that, rather I would suggest they are aircraft flying along an airway one after the other..

So I guess you also know what I had for breakfast this morning and what color underwear I'm wearing too, given that you know what I saw that day. I'm not an idiot, I know the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail, I see far more contrails than chemtrails. I am quick to look first for the mundane, but this single event that day, that giant U, is what caused me to start taking this issue seriously.

A steady, straight trail, quite far south of the city, being made by a plane heading WNW and not far from the west end of the city, did not disable whatever spraying mechanism was being used and made a 180 degree turn leaving a U-shaped trail and head back in the direction it came, ESE. Seeing that giant U in the sky is what made me watch this for the rest of the day. I regret that at the time, in summer 2000, I did not have a camera. That aircraft then headed back east, then at a regular interval came back WNW. On that third pass, the trail stopped near about the same distance from the city where the U was, and then started up again a few minutes later, again, further north, roughly equidistant from the previous trail, heading back ESE. That same aircraft moved in alternating directions, making equidistant, alternating direction trails, one after the other, with each previous trail growing thicker in order of age, stretching back as far east as the eye could see. There were a total of 9 trails that day. This city does not have a high amount of air traffic overhead, and that day every single other plane left a regular contrail that eventually disappeared. But these 9 parallel trails grew thicker and heavier until the sky was completely overcast by about 4PM. How does a small amount of condensed moisture caused by rapid changes in air density due to an aircraft flying through it and the finite amount of water vapor produced by the exhaust of a single aircraft, continuously expand over hours and completely occlude the sky, when NO OTHER AIRCRAFT made a trail that also did so? That's the question you need to answer here.

Consider yourself, underinformed, mis-informed or... or what else shall we consider you.

29 years of commercial flying experience and 16,000 accident free hours .

Congratulations, I'm glad you are a good and safe pilot, but does that mean that you are aware at all times of what every single aircraft is doing in the sky worldwide? No. Given what you are saying here, I wonder how many of those hours have been spent flying aircraft that are in fact spraying, and you are here,attempting to further obstruct the job that you may be doing. You DO look suspect.

[ILikeVapor]

Look up sirius. ; )

[Heretic]

Burke my friend…. we’re trying to explain a process and make progress. I have provided an explanation and the necessary material or reading required to give you the insight and understanding of how this works.

If you don’t want to read it that’s fine. I’m talking about the 58,000 aircraft movements per day throughout North America, 21,000 per day in Europe, 7,000 per day in the UK, that may or may not according to these ridiculous theories be spraying the planet which according to some could be part of a population reduction process.

No we aren't...YOU are. Fred my friend...dont loose sight of the bigger portion of the thread, and your roll in it, not to mention the thesis your attempts to dilute the subject with condensation levels and 85,000 flights per day represent. They represent your clear stance which you have iterated and re-iterated over and over. This thread is not titled "All Planes are spraying" or "They are trying to kill us all with spraying" or even "Contrails are Chemtrails. What we are trying to explain Fred, is that the process of spraying the skies is an observable phenomenon and that the cat is out of the bag and they have been busted.

Your stance on this issue is clear:

The only produce coming from the back end of aircraft of engines is jet exhaust. Anyone who thinks otherwise belongs to the lunatic fringe. I’m staggered at you posting this Richard!

The only people who are talking about “Geo Engineering” are the lunatic fringe of conspiracy theorists along with disinformation agents and others who join the crowd because it’s the “cool thing” to do.

It’s grossly irresponsible to say this. Aircraft are not spraying the upper atmosphere.

What is being sprayed is a load of complete bull❤❤❤❤ on an unsuspecting public.

Aircraft are not spraying a human population and that’s the bottom line.

Your post Megamud is grossly irresponsible. You don’t know what you are talking about yet you freely peddle this utter clap trap.

You are facilitating the problem and in so doing are “part of the problem”

Its only contrails you’re looking at now for goodness sake.

And so they should. Its you that has the messed up head not them.

I’m really disappointed this is on Nexus, I seriously thought people were above all this nonsense. I haven’t got time for it anymore please delete my account mods.

You then proceed to make fun of Zook some and begin to set up a whole slew of straw-man arguments using 911 sites and other websites and now you are trying to dilute the subject with charts, graphs, self proclaimed boring videos, and pictures that show "whatever" and that "whoever" is trying to pull some elaborate scam to make me think that what I see in the sky, on a few good videos, in the documentary scene, on the history channel, on the MSM news (after 10 years of avoidance and similar ridicule), and in the US patent office is not real and that I am buying into some fringe lunatic school of thought because you are a pilot.

You have not addressed any of the strong points made in this thread AT ALL, but merely attack weak points in the subject and/or redirect to further dilute the discussion to "non issues" regarding the original topic. These tactics along with the straw-man argument, professional certification, defamation of character, ridicule, and trolling is what OPs do and how COINTELPRO works on public forums and you have already been suspected of it twice by others in this thread due to such behavior. For all I know you are just some guy who has had his comfort zones violated and are just acting out to the amusement and/or compassion of Nexus. The funniest part of all this is that the OP has a video of a propeller plane spraying LOL (no contrails)

So you are here to debunk the chemtrail issue, great, I am all for learning something but how about discussing THAT instead of all the things it is not? Address the patents you earlier said are only in the research phase, discuss the videos that show spraying clearly and stop picking the ones that dont. Address the news coverage and MSM coverage you said doesn't exist. Stop picking apart opinion and dissect the evidence those opinions are based on. Leave the thermodynamic profiles out of it unless it is a valid explanation for something posted instead of offering it as a blanket explanation for the whole phenomenon which is just silly. Saying the same line ad infinitum just makes you look bad. Address the content others are providing for you instead of avoiding it.

BTW: MOD hat off here

[Elva]

Beautifully put Burkey!

[Ross]

BTW: MOD hat off here

I left mine at Avalon...

Ross

[Ross]

the process of spraying the skies is an observable phenomenon

Indeed it is. Fine post there burke.

Ross

[reaver]

I mean this is quite something. While I think some spraying is just nothing to worry about and people exaggerate it, there's also the suspicion in me that they do in some cases. Other times they would admit it openly just to fu ck with people's minds, you know kind of a reminder: We are in control. I get suspicious when I'm told to go ask some establishment figures... I mean what? the possibility of them just regurgitating propaganda is gone just like that?. Compartmentalization here, again?. Emotional attachments to the past? you know, the ex-pilot thing.

[ILikeVapor]

No we aren't...YOU are. Fred my friend...dont loose sight of the bigger portion of the thread, and your roll in it, not to mention the thesis your attempts to dilute the subject with condensation levels and 85,000 flights per day represent. They represent your clear stance which you have iterated and re-iterated over and over. This thread is not titled "All Planes are spraying" or "They are trying to kill us all with spraying" or even "Contrails are Chemtrails. What we are trying to explain Fred, is that the process of spraying the skies is an observable phenomenon and that the cat is out of the bag and they have been busted.

Your stance on this issue is clear:



You then proceed to make fun of Zook some and begin to set up a whole slew of straw-man arguments using 911 sites and other websites and now you are trying to dilute the subject with charts, graphs, self proclaimed boring videos, and pictures that show "whatever" and that "whoever" is trying to pull some elaborate scam to make me think that what I see in the sky, on a few good videos, in the documentary scene, on the history channel, on the MSM news (after 10 years of avoidance and similar ridicule), and in the US patent office is not real and that I am buying into some fringe lunatic school of thought because you are a pilot.

You have not addressed any of the strong points made in this thread AT ALL, but merely attack weak points in the subject and/or redirect to further dilute the discussion to "non issues" regarding the original topic. These tactics along with the straw-man argument, professional certification, defamation of character, ridicule, and trolling is what OPs do and how COINTELPRO works on public forums and you have already been suspected of it twice by others in this thread due to such behavior. For all I know you are just some guy who has had his comfort zones violated and are just acting out to the amusement and/or compassion of Nexus. The funniest part of all this is that the OP has a video of a propeller plane spraying LOL (no contrails)

So you are here to debunk the chemtrail issue, great, I am all for learning something but how about discussing THAT instead of all the things it is not? Address the patents you earlier said are only in the research phase, discuss the videos that show spraying clearly and stop picking the ones that dont. Address the news coverage and MSM coverage you said doesn't exist. Stop picking apart opinion and dissect the evidence those opinions are based on. Leave the thermodynamic profiles out of it unless it is a valid explanation for something posted instead of offering it as a blanket explanation for the whole phenomenon which is just silly. Saying the same line ad infinitum just makes you look bad. Address the content others are providing for you instead of avoiding it.

BTW: MOD hat off here

Great post Burke.....worth more than a simple "Thanks."

[ZookieMonster]

It is an hour long, but worth the watch.....maybe

Just reached the 42 minute mark of the video ... but I've hit the exeunt button. I can't subject my brain to any more fallacious reasoning. Already over the quota I've allocated for myself for the whole of 2012.

The most important part of the video maybe the dissemination medium. Discovery Channel. Mainstream media has told us lie after lie after lie after lie ... so there should be no expectation that it can deliver truth in its birthday suit.

That being said, the funniest part of the video is when these two idiots ... erm ... lab coats proceed to measure aluminum content in jet fuel exhaust. Legerdemain Central!! No one that asserts chemtrails - to the best of my knowledge - has ever argued that jet fuel or its additives is the source of the pollutants. Who uses barium as jet fuel?? Seriously. All the establishment coats in the video are either compartmentalized, self-deluded, too dumb to make the proper observations, or salesmen trying to earn their commissions. No big surprise. When 9/11/2001 truth was spilling out like Niagara at the Falls ... the power pyramid had their monkey James Meigs (??) make a mockery of Popular Mechanics by inventing new physics to explain the collapse of Building Seven (FWIW, its previous editorial board was reportedly let go and replaced by Meigs whitewash team just to deal with 9/11/2001 truths). Here's an URL to shed light on the Meigs deception: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...gi?read=114979

Getting back to the whitewash team on Discovery Channel, instead of arguing the existence (or nonexistence) of chemtrails, the producers of the show picked three unwitting participants who had observed the chemtrail phenomena in their own way ... pitted the three against four or five establishment wingnuts who wouldn't know scientific method from apple sauce if it was put before them ... and committed the grand fallacy of argument by assertion, e.g. namely that all chemtrails are actually contrails. Done. Nothing further to discuss. Move along.



ps: Thanx for the find, Haze. Tho' it's 42 minutes I ain't getting back, it did actually remind me that alternative media is still the only real hope we have - even if it is somewhat infiltrated. Cold Friday night in Nova. Global warming. Yeah. Right.

[Chicodoodoo]

Just reached the 42 minute mark of the video ... but I've hit the exeunt button. I can't subject my brain to any more fallacious reasoning. Already over the quota I've allocated for myself for the whole of 2012.

Thanks for the laugh, thanks for saving me 42 minutes, and thanks (I think) for making me look up "exeunt"!

Yes, I had a similar reaction when I finally realized that PBS had lied to me with their propaganda piece "Why the Towers Fell". Only I had swallowed it hook, line, and sinker, being a long-time PBS believer. It took over a year before I was properly challenged on my erroneous brain-washing and researched my way out of delusion and into reality. Then I went back to study the documentary to see how they had tricked me, which was an education in itself. Then I swore off TV, as PBS was the only thing I watched by that point.

Strangely enough, PBS called me today, soliciting money. I stated that I couldn't help them, as 1) I had given up TV years ago, and 2) I was economically stressed, like everyone else because of the collapsing economy, and I no longer contributed money to any cause. Too bad I didn't think to say, "And 3) your network lied to me about 9/11, and I will never forgive you!"

[Charles]

Just reached the 42 minute mark of the video ... but I've hit the exeunt button. I can't subject my brain to any more fallacious reasoning. Already over the quota I've allocated for myself for the whole of 2012.

The most important part of the video maybe the dissemination medium. Discovery Channel. Mainstream media has told us lie after lie after lie after lie ... so there should be no expectation that it can deliver truth in its birthday suit.

That being said, the funniest part of the video is when these two idiots ... erm ... lab coats proceed to measure aluminum content in jet fuel exhaust. Legerdemain Central!! No one that asserts chemtrails - to the best of my knowledge - has ever argued that jet fuel or its additives is the source of the pollutants. Who uses barium as jet fuel?? Seriously. All the establishment coats in the video are either compartmentalized, self-deluded, too dumb to make the proper observations, or salesmen trying to earn their commissions. No big surprise. When 9/11/2001 truth was spilling out like Niagara at the Falls ... the power pyramid had their monkey James Meigs (??) make a mockery of Popular Mechanics by inventing new physics to explain the collapse of Building Seven (FWIW, its previous editorial board was reportedly let go and replaced by Meigs whitewash team just to deal with 9/11/2001 truths). Here's an URL to shed light on the Meigs deception: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...gi?read=114979

Getting back to the whitewash team on Discovery Channel, instead of arguing the existence (or nonexistence) of chemtrails, the producers of the show picked three unwitting participants who had observed the chemtrail phenomena in their own way ... pitted the three against four or five establishment wingnuts who wouldn't know scientific method from apple sauce if it was put before them ... and committed the grand fallacy of argument by assertion, e.g. namely that all chemtrails are actually contrails. Done. Nothing further to discuss. Move along.



ps: Thanx for the find, Haze. Tho' it's 42 minutes I ain't getting back, it did actually remind me that alternative media is still the only real hope we have - even if it is somewhat infiltrated. Cold Friday night in Nova. Global warming. Yeah. Right.

Exactly lol