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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    B737 wiring bus diagram… can someone help me find which bus the chemtrail pumps are located?
    Sure! Just point to the Bus that the Sh!t pump is on.... *No, I'm being serious*

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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Here is a PDF from the NOAA and NASA 2007 to educate children on the types of clouds in the sky...
    http://www.nws.noaa.gov/os/brochures/cloudchart.pdf

    Here is NOAA explanation on chemtrails, err I mean contrails.
    http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php
    Further explanation on "contrail" spreading
    http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html

    NASA explanation of "contrail" spreading.
    http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/newcontrail.html

    A beautiful seal to the compartment on how contrails spread relative to weather dynamics...
    In the means of observable experience "They" would not release it without the ability to to compartmentalize the truth...
    Further fracturing of the mind and centralizing of the hive mind...


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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Quote Originally Posted by magamud View Post
    Here is a PDF from the NOAA and NASA 2007 to educate children on the types of clouds in the sky...
    http://www.nws.noaa.gov/os/brochures/cloudchart.pdf

    Here is NOAA explanation on chemtrails, err I mean contrails.
    http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php
    Further explanation on "contrail" spreading
    http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html

    NASA explanation of "contrail" spreading.
    http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/newcontrail.html

    A beautiful seal to the compartment on how contrails spread relative to weather dynamics...
    In the means of observable experience "They" would not release it without the ability to to compartmentalize the truth...
    Further fracturing of the mind and centralizing of the hive mind...
    That is outrageous. Teaching children that OBVIOUS chemtrails are contrails. It's like a form of 'gaslighting'................

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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Thanks Maga.. That is good stuff.

    Yes. Contrails DO spread and diffuse. BUT, they do not spread and GET HEAVIER and form solid sheets of cloud


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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Burke View Post
    So you are here to debunk the chemtrail issue, great, I am all for learning something

    Fred, this one is for you just in case you are here to learn and share, and if not then please take a crack at debunking this:

    I did some research on this a ways back (with the help of some friends) and as to what they are spraying I am not sure, but I do feel that bio-toxins and mutagens are on the alarmist end of the scale, and to be honest no one really knows, no one has it pinned down and there may be several programs spraying different things, some of which could be very harmful. It is mostly military IMHO having to do with geo-engineering or messing with radar returns as there is some documentation out there on it, the rest is conjecture.

    Even though new comers (and even the general population) to the conspiracy will argue IF they are spraying or not, most the diligent researchers have moved on from that argument and are trying to figure out WHAT they are spraying.

    The first question is where did the term Chemtrail come from? Most debunking sites like Contrail Science will point to a text file called GENOCIDE.TXT which came from some files posted on a conspiracy theory site from 2000 containing emails from 1997, the first part of which originally came from the BIOWAR-L mailing list dated 9/18/97.

    The truth (or what I think to date) of the matter is that the term "chemtrail" came from the US Department of Defense Manual (SuDoc D 305.19:C 42/2) written by the Department of Chemistry for the Air Force Academy and used in 1991. This book is available on Amazon still, just follow the link http://www.amazon.com/Chemtrails-Che.../dp/B00010AM02. So the term you claim belongs in the fringe only was pulled straight from US government documents.

    The idea of the areal spraying of people is not a new one at all and has many historical references and on occasion, perhaps intentional (see below), inflicts bodily harm on those in the area of affect. One such instance was Agent Orange.

    Agent Orange is the code name for one of the herbicides and defoliants used by the U.S. military as part of its herbicidal warfare program. a 50:50 mixture of 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D, it was manufactured for the U.S. Department of Defense primarily by Monsanto Corporation and Dow Chemical. The 2,4,5-T used to produce Agent Orange was later discovered to be contaminated with 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzodioxin, an extremely toxic dioxin compound. It was given its name from the color of the orange-striped 55 US gallon (208 L) barrels in which it was shipped.

    During the Vietnam War, between 1962 and 1971, the United States military sprayed nearly 20,000,000 US gallons (75,700,000 L) of chemical herbicides and defoliants in Vietnam, eastern Laos and parts of Cambodia, as part of Operation Ranch Hand. The program's goal was to defoliate forested and rural land, depriving guerrillas of cover; another goal was to induce forced draft urbanization, destroying the ability of peasants to support themselves in the countryside, and forcing them to flee to the U.S. dominated cities, thus depriving the guerrillas of their rural support base and food supply.


    If you consider agent orange nonsense and of the fringe as well then see REPORT TO TO SECRETARY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS ON THE ASSOCIATION BETWEEN ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS AND EXPOSURE TO AGENT ORANGE As Reported by Special Assistant Admiral E.R. Zumwalt, Jr. May 5, 1990 which of course was NOT FOR PUBLICATION AND RELEASE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC because they dont want you to understand they they will do THIS (warning graphic image) to folks in the name of progress and WAR. They are the good guys right?

    Vietnam estimates 400,000 people were killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects. These were not Obamamutants or Ameropamutants, but pure Vietnamese children. (source)

    The question of intentionality comes into play because Monsanto, Dow, and the US military knew of the contamination which keeps coming out in discovery during court cases over and over, but it was slower and more expensive to produce the dioxin without risks:

    In the latest case of US veterans trying to sue Dow and Monsanto for their cancers related to Agent Orange exposure, Supreme Court Documents related to a petition for a Writ of Certiorari in Daniel Raymond Stephenson, et al., petitioners, v. Dow Chemical Company, Monsanto Company, et al., respondents, further implicates the companies in cover-ups and misinformation.

    The petitioners state that the companies knew their dioxins, such as those used in Agent Orange, were harmful and lied about it while concealing information, including the fact that several factory workers had fallen sick after exposure to dioxin.
    Several key facts “remain undisputed,” according to the document:

    “Respondents never shared the information in their sole possession about health risks attributable to dioxin.”

    “Respondents used proprietary, defective manufacturing processes that dangerously contaminated 2,4,5- T with dioxin.”

    Though reports point to the fact that chemical companies like Dow and Monsanto knowingly hid evidence of dioxin-related medical problems from the government, the declassified 1990 Zumwalt Report suggests that US military experts knew that Agent Orange was harmful at the time of its use.

    The report quotes a 1988 letter from Dr. James R. Clary, a former government scientist with the Chemical Weapons Branch, to Senator Tom Daschle. Dr. Clary was involved in designing tanks that sprayed herbicides and defoliants in Vietnam, according to the report.

    Clary told Daschle:

    “When we (military scientists) initiated the herbicide program in the 1960’s, we were aware of the potential for damage due to dioxin contamination in the herbicide.

    We were even aware that the ‘military’ formulation had a higher dioxin concentration than the ‘civilian’ version due to the lower cost and speed of manufacture.

    However, because the material was to be used on the ‘enemy,’ none of us were overly concerned.

    We never considered a scenario in which our own personnel would become contaminated with the herbicide.

    And, if we had, we would have expected our own government to give assistance to veterans so contaminated.”

    Supporters of the US’s Agent Orange Campaign prefer to call it an “herbicide program” rather than chemical warfare. But official documents reveal that the US Senate knew its real name.

    In US Senate Congressional Records dated August 11, 1969, a table presented to senators showed that congress clearly classified 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T (main components of Agent Orange) in the Chemical and Biological Warfare category.

    The table also includes Cacodylic Acid, a main component of Agent Blue, another chemical sprayed on Vietnam to kill plants, in the official Chemical and Biological Warfare category.

    The table describes it as “an arsenic-base compound... heavy concentrations will cause arsenical poisoning in humans. Widely used in Vietnam. It is composed of 54.29 percent arsenic.”

    As Vietnam War Scholar and US Veteran W.D. Ehrhart put it concisely in a Thanh Nien Daily interview last week: “It would be hard to describe Agent Orange as anything other than a chemical weapon. Dioxin is a chemical.”

    So is arsenic.

    (source)

    What does all this mean? It means that in the psychopathic echelons of power structure in the military industrial complex, human life means little and that they will be willing to spray just about anything that brings results they are looking for just as easily as they would send young men to their deaths on a near suicide mission to complete a "gaining ground" objective. Is it now so difficult to speculate that they would harm the civilian population?


    On to chemtrails and are they spraying

    Are they capable of spraying? In Vietnam they used Huey Choppers to spray agent Orange. Lets look at what NASA has to say about planes possibly spraying from their own website. http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/pho.../ECN-4242.html


    In this 1974 NASA Flight Research Center photograph, a Boeing B-747 jetliner is shown taking part in the trailing wake vortex study. In the photograph, the two wing tip vortex trails, being the strongest, stay in tight cylindrical rolls. The "strength" of the vortices decreases toward the midspan of each wing, and the trails become less defined.



    Now the explanation here is that the aircraft has been fitted with "Six smoke generators were installed under the wings of the 747 to provide a visual image of the trailing vortices." These generators appear to be built on to the wings themselves. If you look at the blowups of the photo at http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/pho...e/ECN-4242.jpg you will see that the smoke generators are very small and not very noticeable.

    Now if this generator is able to produce smoke, then why not a chemical mixture to form chemtrails. Now if these small generators were to be placed behind each engine, chemical particles could be shot out from the generators and thus mix in together with the jet exhaust. So when the chemicals come out, they are not burned up as or altered if they were mixed with the fuel. Also shielded micoplasmas could easily pass from a generator into the exhaust staying in in tact and preserved. This would then allow the clouds to act as storage tanks for mycoplasmas/viruses/bacteria. Here they could grow then slowly be blown down with the winds or taken down with rain.

    The key to this is that these generators are small and basically un-noticeable in the air. Crewmen on the ground would notice them but would not know what they are. If they asked they could be told to mind their own business and do their work.

    So what I would like to see is that trail watchers obtain the very best close up photos they can and to look for these telltale generators. If we can get one photo showing them then the cat is in the bag. Also when you go to air shows, get real close to the military jets and look for generators. Also get close up photos of the back exhaust. If they are highly polished, then we must go back to the theory that chemical particles are in the fuel.

    Rain water testing has shown the presence of aluminium particles in samples. Will Thomas was told that if aluminium particles are in the fuel, they would act as a polish on the metal. So get those close up shots happening and send them to me for placement.
    (source)

    The point here is that planes can be retrofitted, as you know with your own profession, which can then be offset by weight and balances preflight as long as gross weight is not exceeded. Replace smoke with chemicals in the study done in 1974 and you have a chemtrail spraying plane that does not enter into the realms of fringe and insanity in any way. They can spray, and they have been spraying as we will see below.

    A special Thanks to Zorgon (from The Zorgon Zone, with Special Guest Ron Schmidt) for these pics and many posts of his (he has done diligent work on this topic) I am graciously ripping off for educational purposes only:

    Boeing 777-300
    "The Long Room" (February 15, 2003)

    Disclaimer: This is NOT a Chemtrail Aircraft, though it has been presented as such

    Now why anyone would get the idea that it IS is beyond me (roll eyes)











    Article, more pictures and sources all here
    http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_file...._Long_Room.html



    New Orleans Aerial Spraying

    If you wake up early in the morning and happen to spot this aircraft flying over leaving a barely visible trail... do not worry its not "Chemtrails"... it is merely DIBROM, a pesticide and this single aircraft can cover 60,000 acres per day. Might be a good idea to cover the BBQ though.




    U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jacob N. Bailey

    Spray 'em out

    NEW ORLEANS -- A U.S. Air Force Reserve C-130 Hercules from the 910th Airlift Wing at Youngstown Air Reserve Station, Ohio, sprays Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, over the city Sept. 13. The C-130 crew plans to spray the New Orleans area first, then other affected Gulf Coast areas as required. Crews will target are primarily mosquitoes and filth flies, which are capable of transmitting diseases such as Malaria, West Nile virus, and various types of Encephalitis. The C-130 is capable of spraying about 60,000 acres per day. 050913-F-5964B-033

    Source: AFRC.AF.MIL


    U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Shawn David McCowan

    Tech. Sgt. Jim Graves (left) and Staff Sgt. Tom Kocis, aerial spray maintenance technicians with the 910th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, check recirculation valves during a pre-flight inspection of the Modular Aerial Spray System Sept. 13. 050913-F-3849M-001


    U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Bryan Ripple

    Aerial Spraying

    The Modular Aerial Spray System on Air Force Reserve Command C-130 aircraft can use a setting called ultra-low-volume and specialized spray boom nozzles like these to spread one-half to an ounce of chemical over an acre. The droplets need only be large enough to attach to the hair on a mosquito's leg to be effective. 050719-F-2585R-001

    Perfectly Harmless... errrr

    Now not to worry... as these are safe chemicals:
    Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency


    U.S. Air Force photo by 1st Lt. James Bressendorff

    MINOT AIR FORCE BASE, N.D.

    Staff Sgt. Tom Kocis performs a preflight nozzle inspection on a C-130 Hercules spraying system. The 757th Airlift Squadron's Airmen conducted aerial spraying here and the local community July 19 and 20 to reduce and control the mosquito population. The Airmen are from Youngstown Air Reserve Base, Ohio. 050719-F-1004B-002
    (source)

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    December 17, 2007
    From: EpiphanyProductions

    The German Military are exposed spraying Chemtrails. This is a Mainstream Media Expos?. Here is the proof that brings this subject to the realm of 'Conspiracy Fact' They are spraying Barium & Aluminum into our skies to control the weather & our health!
    http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educ.../ct/index.html

    Here is the 'Weather Modification Bill-H.R. 2995' that was presented to Congress in 1995 to try and make this Orwellian population control legal:

    H.R. 2995 [109th]: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005

    S. 517 [109th]: Weather Modification Research and Development Policy Authorization Act of 2005

    S. 2170 [108th]: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act

    German News Station Exposes Chemtrails- Translated!

    Introductory Overview of Chemtrails
    (source)

    OK...so if this isn't enough for you Fred then I dont know what will be.

    moving on though...

    What are they spraying?

    All kinds of things, some on the record and some not. This post is long enough so I wont go into each program but give links to those programs and a quick summary. You of course will not find bio-toxins and experimental pathogens many speculate about. These are more in line with geo-engineering projects that have been running and what most people see in the skies when they see spraying happening in the upper atmosphere:

    Welcome to the ASP website!
    (Atmospheric Science Program)
    The Department of Energy's Atmospheric Science Program has as its long-term goal developing comprehensive understanding of the atmospheric processes that control the transport, transformation, and fate of energy related trace chemicals and particulate matter. The current focus of the program is aerosol radiative forcing of climate: aerosol formation and evolution and aerosol properties that affect direct and indirect influences on climate and climate change. (emphasis NOT added but is in the original) http://www.asp.bnl.gov/

    This site clearly documents the Department of Energy's efforts to mess with the earths atmosphere, for various reasons, through the use of areal spraying and has many links to other programs running in tandem.

    The ARM
    The Atmospheric Radiation Measurement (ARM) Climate Research Facility is a U.S. Department of Energy scientific user facility for the study of global climate change by the national and international research community. http://www.arm.gov/

    Research Themes
    The ARM Climate Research Facility’s fixed sites, Southern Great Plains, North Slope of Alaska, and Tropical Western Pacific, supplemented by aerial and mobile facilities, continuously collect massive amounts of atmospheric measurements needed to create climate data. ARM scientists and infrastructure staff provide additional processing to create data products that can be used by researchers all over the world.

    Aerosol Life Cycle
    ARM’s heavily instrumented sites provide data to help scientists in determining the characteristics and properties of aerosols throughout their life cycle. Improved observation of aerosol particles results in more accurate projections of how aerosols affect the global climate.

    Cloud Life Cycle
    ARM data collections assist scientists who are studying the various stages of cloud evolution in order to relate cloud observation to climate model development and evaluation. These data provide information to improve cloud parameterizations in global climate models.

    Cloud Aerosol Interactions
    Data from ARM’s fixed, mobile, and aerial facilities provide information to help quantify the impact of aerosols on the radiative balance of Earth's climate system, both directly and indirectly, through their influence on clouds.

    Radiative Processes
    To help improve and test radiation parameterizations at the accuracy required for climate studies, ARM contributes to this research with continuous data collections of longwave to shortwave radiation. ARM has made significant contributions in improving climate prediction models through its work on radiative heat transfer and radiation absorption.
    (source)

    ASP field projects include:

    VOCALS - ASP Chile, October, 2008.
    ASP study to be conducted in conjunction with NSF VAMOS Ocean-Cloud- Atmospheric-Land Study.


    CHAPS - Cumulus Humilis Aerosol Processing Study Oklahoma, June, 2007.
    ASP study to be conducted in conjunction with DOE ARM CLASIC (Cloud and Land Surface Interaction Campaign).


    MAX-Tex - Megacity Aerosol eXperiment - Texas Houston, August - September, 2006.
    ASP Study conducted in conjunction with TEXAQS II (Second Texas Air Quality Study) / GoMACCS (Gulf of Mexico Atmospheric Composition and Climate Study).


    MAX-Mex - Megacity Aerosol eXperiment - Mexico City Mexico, March, 2006.
    ASP study conducted as part of MILAGRO (Megacity Initiative: Local and Global Research Observations).
    Overview Presentation (10 M PDF file)


    MASE - MArine Stratus Experiment California, July, 2005.
    ASP study conducted in conjunction with DOE ARM MASRAD MArine Stratus Radiation, Aerosol, and Drizzle study.


    The IGAC (International Global Atmospheric Chemistry Project)

    The International Global Atmospheric Chemistry (IGAC) Project, under joint sponsorship of the Commission on Atmospheric Chemistry and Global Pollution (CACGP) of the International Association of Meteorology and Atmospheric Sciences (IAMAS )and the International Geosphere- Biosphere Programme (IGBP), was created in the late 1980s to address growing international concerns over rapid changes observed in Earth's atmosphere.

    The past decade of international research, much of which was initiated and coordinated within IGAC, has greatly increased our understanding of the chemical composition of the troposphere, the fluxes of chemical species into and out of the troposphere, and the processes controlling the transport and transformation of chemical species within the troposphere. The question is still frequently raised as to how much of the change is natural variability and how much is directly or indirectly caused by man. A variety of approaches are needed to quantify as accurately as possible the natural variability. Paleo as well as current comprehensive data sets are crucial.

    Through a large number of projects and activities, IGAC has created a worldwide community of scientists, enhancing international cooperation towards understanding the role of atmospheric chemistry in the entire Earth System. After a decade of international research, IGAC is now reexamining the atmospheric chemistry issues facing society and the challenges of studying and managing an integrated Earth System. As IGBP itself moves towards a new structure and a second decade of research, IGAC is undergoing a similar transition. (emphasis mine)
    (source)

    One of those "Field Projects" is TARFOX - Tropospheric Aerosol Radiative Forcing Observational Experiment is to reduce uncertainties in the effects of aerosols on climate by determining the direct radiative impacts, as well as the chemical, physical, and optical properties, of the aerosols carried over the western Atlantic Ocean from the United States. This project uses aeresols sprayed int he upper atmosphere to feed a bunch of lower subsidiary projects with DATA and they can be found HERE and this page has many links that go to NASA as well as other research projects in similar studies.

    I could continue listing projects but we are already approaching ad nauseum levels as it is.



    in conclusion:

    Take all of this info...plug in the psychopathic element of those in charge, the TPTB, take a gander at the Georgia Guide Stones (Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature) and other genocidal elements of the "fringe" (protocols of Zion etc) and you have your conspiracy theory that you hear echoed all over the web. It is not rocket science and well within the realms of conjecture. Some of it alarmist, much of it polluted with hoax and ridiculous videos of contrails for sure, but this is a real thing being discussed and is NOT outside the realms of possibility.

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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Great post ... looks like you hit one out of the park, Burkesy!!!

    Tape measure 550 feet.



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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    It's not just the schools teaching the kids that 'contrails' are normal

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    Resources for schools in the UK provided by the Meteorological Society also state that "persistant contrails often form large patches of cloud" and "sometimes persist for many minutes or even hours"

    http://www.metlink.org/weather-clima...contrails.html

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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Burke View Post
    I did some research on this a ways back (with the help of some friends) and as to what they are spraying I am not sure, but I do feel that bio-toxins and mutagens are on the alarmist end of the scale, and to be honest no one really knows, no one has it pinned down and there may be several programs spraying different things, some of which could be very harmful. It is mostly military IMHO having to do with geo-engineering or messing with radar returns as there is some documentation out there on it, the rest is conjecture.
    Holy smokes Burkey, how about we make that the OP? lol


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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Burke! Great piece of research/posting!

    And By the way......
    Fred258 - "Aircraft are not spraying a human population and that’s the bottom line."
    If I may, Fred, Quite a bit of the spraying is also about empowering HAARP.

    Neat stuff like Barium oxides, and Aluminum oxides, are sprayed into the atmosphere and then "shaped" to become reflecting devices for their electro-magnetic games.

    Spraying this stufff is mentioned very specifically. The link below will show you a copy of the HAARP patent, w/descriptions of it's means, and ends.

    http://fredsitelive.com/personal/Cur...arpPatent.html

    Came back to add another link, re. the implications of HAARP in this matter. a vid titled "Weather Warfare"
    http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...eather+warfare


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    Thanks to all who've asked about me, etc.

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    Re: Undisputable low altitude chemical spraying.

    Took these pics and vid this morning, all of the same aircraft and trail









    And the short vid



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