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    WE are the 99%

    WE WERE TOLD
    WE COULD BE ANYTHING
    WHEN WE GREW UP.
    WE?RE GROWN UP.
    NOW WHAT?
    OCCUPY WALL STREET
    OCCUPY CHICAGO
    WE ARE THE 99%.
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    this would have been hand written But the Myclonus Dystonia Prevents simple tasks like writing or feeding myself to come out right. I make VERY little On SSD But It is a lifeline without it I would be homeless and probably dead by now. I cannot pay my bills every month even though my partner works a full time job. We got a roommate to help but still we just barely keep our heads above water. I have a lot of medical needs and we are drowning. WHEN WILL THIS CHANGE?

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    Bank of America will STILL call me if my mortgage check is not there by the 1st. I guess they?ve never heard of General Accouting Principal. I ask them what they are wearing until they stop calling. Try it! Works like a charm. Just make them really uncomfortable, like they called to make you.
    Strength, Audacity, and Perserverance will get us to our goal.


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    17 years old. Parents cant support so I live with my grandparents. Grandfather slowly retiring. Searching for job, but wont be hired until 18. 19 year old sister moved back in to better support herself. I am the 99%

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    I am a 42 year old single mother of 3 kids. I have no health insurance and haven?t in years.
    I drive a 1993 vehicle.
    My ex husband, an engineer, and his attorney put me over $30,000 in debt to lower his child support and take me to court over and over. I?ll never get that paid.
    I live paycheck to paycheck working for my father. I make less than $1300 a month.
    I AM the 99%. occupywallst.org

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    I am an American Veteran.
    I am a senior in college.
    My American Dream is to become a history teacher.
    I am not asking for the world.
    I worked hard to get where I am.
    I may not be able to find a job when I graduate.
    We are the 99%.
    OccupyWallStreet.org

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    50,000 in Student loan debt (2 degrees), > (less than) mediocre job, NO health insurance, Rent keeps going up, gas keeps going up, food keeps going up, Interest rates are outrageous, Worried about my financial future. I AM THE 99 PERCENT! occupywallst.org

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    I am 41.
    At 25, I suffered a head injury.
    I now have cognitive problems and epilepsy.
    Doctors said I would never support myself or live alone.
    At 29, I earned a Paralegal Certificate while working full time and living alone.
    My epilepsy became severe. I now live with my father.
    At 36, I paid off my student loan while working part time serving fast food.
    My medications cost three times what I made in a month.
    At 37, I had 3 brain surgeries. I still have seizures without medication.
    I maxed two credit cards with medical bills. I declared bankruptcy when interest rates jumped to 30%.
    I?ve been unemployed for 8 months.
    I am the 99%.
    OccupyWallSt.org.

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    I am worry about my family. My dad is getting sick with cancer, my mom is sad all the time. My brother has diabetes and does not have health insurance, his debt accumulates every time he goes to the emergency room. I am completing a bachelors in drawing and painting-with no other choice but to ask for money on loans so i could afford it, no health insurance either I work 20+ a week. I wanna help, my mom is sick worry, but i cant even help myself right now, it makes me really sad.

    http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/


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    Re: WE are the 99%

    Beautifully presented, Richard. Thank you.


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    Re: WE are the 99%

    I visited Occupy Boston yesterday (in front of the Fed). It was a beautiful sight.

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    Re: WE are the 99%

    To find out where and when to join the chorus http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/


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    Re: WE are the 99%

    I sympathize with all of these people (not like I'm somehow immune to all of this), but I don't like the bent that seems to be taking this towards socialism.

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    Re: WE are the 99%

    One of the signs above states "Warren Buffet is right."

    'Nuff said.

    Buffet is bought and paid for by the ruling elites. Don't believe me? Here's a photo-op on the greenery of a Rothschild estate:
    buffet_rothschild_arnold.jpg
    http://www.nowpublic.com/warren_buff...cob_rothschild

    That people are desperate for change is no big surprise. Even less a surprise is that these same desperate people are willing to join up with any movement that comes to town and pitches tent. Never mind that a significant chunk of this movement is compromised; what's truly disheartening is that the rest are grasping at straws. Luke's original post on the realpolitik thread pretty much explains why such movements fail close to the womb.



    ps: Movements such as these offer the apparition of hope for the desperate ... and time for the despots.

    ps2: Real hope resides with information-sharing and critical mass thereof. Now, you may yet achieve critical mass with the Occupy-Here-There-And-Everywhere crowds; but that critical mass will not be the weight of an informed collective, but the weight of a fearful mob faced with the Hobbesian survivalist dilemma: kill or be killed. Most will choose to kill. Witness 40's Germany's willing executioners. Witness the sharp blades of Paris 1789. Witness the Stanford experiments on psychology. Witness Patty Hearst and the Stockholm Syndrome. These hordes will kill to avenge perceived injustices, sure enough ... but they will have lost the ability to measure injustice. That being said, rule by perception is the stuff that kept the Wizard of Oz in business.

    ps3: I'm not here to derogate anybody that supports Occupy-ABC-to-XYZ ... just be aware of the trap, e.g. so that you won't find yourself overly-burned when the truth winds blow away the beach blankets and warm comfort sands, and reveal the hot coals of Hell. IMHO.

    ps4: Warren Buffet is always wrong. <---------------- If I have to explain why; then we are in deeper straits than you can imagine.

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    Re: WE are the 99%

    Aaaaaw zombieland falling apart? ... those 99% percenters need a flash course: http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...alpolitik-101)

    P.S. I am the 99% = I am a collective

    Sigh... language should be studied, seriously.

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    Re: WE are the 99%

    Everytime I hear the 99% it makes me think of this song...and Toto, too. LOL.


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    Re: WE are the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by ZookieMonster View Post
    One of the signs above states "Warren Buffet is right."

    'Nuff said.

    ps4: Warren Buffet is always wrong. <---------------- If I have to explain why; then we are in deeper straits than you can imagine.
    That's like holding up a sign saying "The Rothschild's, give em a break"
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    Re: WE are the 99%

    It has to begin somewhere in order for it to end/change

    There are those of us who are aware of a hell of a lot more than most and we cannot condemn a movement based on the ignorance of some.

    I applaud everyone who gets off their a$$ and joins in this movement and encourage our pessimists to do the same.

    Not everyone on the streets in cities across the world now know the things we do, few know the extent of the evil that has taken control of our world and most are there because of their own difficulties and want change.

    I will not be one to put down people for doing what we all have been dreaming of doing for years. The banksters and the corporate elite are done. WE need to take them out and set the wheels in motion for a new paradigm.

    This is it, this is what we've been waiting for. If you are not part of the solution...


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    Re: WE are the 99%

    Please tell me where Warren Buffet is wrong.


    OUR leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched.
    While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.
    These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places.
    Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.
    If you make money with money, as some of my super-rich friends do, your percentage may be a bit lower than mine. But if you earn money from a job, your percentage will surely exceed mine — most likely by a lot.
    To understand why, you need to examine the sources of government revenue. Last year about 80 percent of these revenues came from personal income taxes and payroll taxes. The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.
    Back in the 1980s and 1990s, tax rates for the rich were far higher, and my percentage rate was in the middle of the pack. According to a theory I sometimes hear, I should have thrown a fit and refused to invest because of the elevated tax rates on capital gains and dividends.
    I didn’t refuse, nor did others. I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone — not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 — shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain. People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off. And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation.
    Since 1992, the I.R.S. has compiled data from the returns of the 400 Americans reporting the largest income. In 1992, the top 400 had aggregate taxable income of $16.9 billion and paid federal taxes of 29.2 percent on that sum. In 2008, the aggregate income of the highest 400 had soared to $90.9 billion — a staggering $227.4 million on average — but the rate paid had fallen to 21.5 percent.
    The taxes I refer to here include only federal income tax, but you can be sure that any payroll tax for the 400 was inconsequential compared to income. In fact, 88 of the 400 in 2008 reported no wages at all, though every one of them reported capital gains. Some of my brethren may shun work but they all like to invest. (I can relate to that.)
    I know well many of the mega-rich and, by and large, they are very decent people. They love America and appreciate the opportunity this country has given them. Many have joined the Giving Pledge, promising to give most of their wealth to philanthropy. Most wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering.
    Twelve members of Congress will soon take on the crucial job of rearranging our country’s finances. They’ve been instructed to devise a plan that reduces the 10-year deficit by at least $1.5 trillion. It’s vital, however, that they achieve far more than that. Americans are rapidly losing faith in the ability of Congress to deal with our country’s fiscal problems. Only action that is immediate, real and very substantial will prevent that doubt from morphing into hopelessness. That feeling can create its own reality.
    Job one for the 12 is to pare down some future promises that even a rich America can’t fulfill. Big money must be saved here. The 12 should then turn to the issue of revenues. I would leave rates for 99.7 percent of taxpayers unchanged and continue the current 2-percentage-point reduction in the employee contribution to the payroll tax. This cut helps the poor and the middle class, who need every break they can get.
    But for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate.
    My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.


    Warren E. Buffett is the chairman and chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway.
    I agree Buffet is part of the problem, I agree he and his "friends" need to be brought to their knees.
    However what he said above is right and should be recognised not only by us but by his peers as well.
    When someone like him wakes up and sees the collective is right and says so, it should be noted and noted loudly.

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    OUR leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched.
    While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.
    These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places.
    Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.
    If you make money with money, as some of my super-rich friends do, your percentage may be a bit lower than mine. But if you earn money from a job, your percentage will surely exceed mine — most likely by a lot.
    To understand why, you need to examine the sources of government revenue. Last year about 80 percent of these revenues came from personal income taxes and payroll taxes. The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.
    Back in the 1980s and 1990s, tax rates for the rich were far higher, and my percentage rate was in the middle of the pack. According to a theory I sometimes hear, I should have thrown a fit and refused to invest because of the elevated tax rates on capital gains and dividends.
    I didn’t refuse, nor did others. I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone — not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 — shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain. People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off. And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation.
    Since 1992, the I.R.S. has compiled data from the returns of the 400 Americans reporting the largest income. In 1992, the top 400 had aggregate taxable income of $16.9 billion and paid federal taxes of 29.2 percent on that sum. In 2008, the aggregate income of the highest 400 had soared to $90.9 billion — a staggering $227.4 million on average — but the rate paid had fallen to 21.5 percent.
    The taxes I refer to here include only federal income tax, but you can be sure that any payroll tax for the 400 was inconsequential compared to income. In fact, 88 of the 400 in 2008 reported no wages at all, though every one of them reported capital gains. Some of my brethren may shun work but they all like to invest. (I can relate to that.)
    I know well many of the mega-rich and, by and large, they are very decent people. They love America and appreciate the opportunity this country has given them. Many have joined the Giving Pledge, promising to give most of their wealth to philanthropy. Most wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering.
    Twelve members of Congress will soon take on the crucial job of rearranging our country’s finances. They’ve been instructed to devise a plan that reduces the 10-year deficit by at least $1.5 trillion. It’s vital, however, that they achieve far more than that. Americans are rapidly losing faith in the ability of Congress to deal with our country’s fiscal problems. Only action that is immediate, real and very substantial will prevent that doubt from morphing into hopelessness. That feeling can create its own reality.
    Job one for the 12 is to pare down some future promises that even a rich America can’t fulfill. Big money must be saved here. The 12 should then turn to the issue of revenues. I would leave rates for 99.7 percent of taxpayers unchanged and continue the current 2-percentage-point reduction in the employee contribution to the payroll tax. This cut helps the poor and the middle class, who need every break they can get.
    But for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate.
    My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.


    Warren E. Buffett is the chairman and chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway.
    I don't know about you, Rich ... but to me, everything in the above above reeks of good cop. The friend of the accused, as it were, trying to make the investigation room sound like a pub, where everyone knows your name and are glad you came. Soon enough, he'll go out to fetch you a cup of coffee and a frosted bread ring ... and that's the signal for the bad cop to exercise his knuckles.

    In short, Buffet wants to keep the same arrangement of the power pyramid, only to modify it so that the excesses are not so transparent. He neither believes in getting rid of excess (otherwise he would argue in favor of zeroing and eliminating the derivative markets); nor of the Congress-critters, who like himself, are bought and paid for by the uber-elites. Same-old, same-old. And I haven't even mentioned his best buddy Bill Gates, who has gone on record pushing for population reduction (and has funneled vast sums of ill-gotten monopolistic anti-trust fortune towards the modern eugenics movement - including the surreptitious use of vaccines - through his money-laundering charitable Billy and Melly foundation).



    ps: Buffet would be wise to read up on the constitutionality of the tax amendment - before he determines that the rates for 99.7% of the capstone-weight bearers, e.g. the rest of the pyramid, should remain unchanged.

    ps2: You don't fix a fundamentally broken system with bandages or a mindset that thinks at the same level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZookieMonster View Post
    (...)ps: Buffet would be wise to read up on the constitutionality of the tax amendment(..)
    http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...rth-of-deficit
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    'nuff said really

    "PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT" to boot.

    And let fools chase their collective tails, if you are none the wiser.

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    IMO Who ever told you one bad apple ruins the bushel ..was wrong

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    To drive point further:

    Net worth of Bill Gates fortune is estimated at : $56 billion http://www.forbes.com/wealth/billionaires

    Time for U.S. govt to eat through that (gaining nothing but some drone-attack victims) : 2 weeks ($1.23 trillion deficit /year, $23.65 billion deficit a week)

    Time to learn math, people!

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    I`m not part of the 99% and most?definitely?not part of the 1% so there must be some third group out there some where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Boy View Post
    I`m not part of the 99% and most?definitely?not part of the 1% so there must be some third group out there some where
    That is called "sane people" and they were always a minority prosecuted from both sides, while feeding both monsters.

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    I have the feeling that TPTB are terrified that the alt media (including Nexus) will get behind OWS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Boy View Post
    I`m not part of the 99% and most?definitely?not part of the 1% so there must be some third group out there some where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dex View Post
    I have the feeling that TPTB are terrified that the alt media (including Nexus) will get behind OWS.
    The Soros connection to Occupy Wall Street:
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011...reet-protests/

    Of course, Soros will deny it ... no stalking tiger admits to owning the stripes in the grass.



    ps: Nexus's mandate is not to get behind anything. It's charter, AFAIK, is truth-seeking and information-sharing. We have enough wise people on board to fill in the contextual gaps. The last thing we need at Nexus is a colligative mass, for that introduces colligative properties into the mix. What we need, IMHO, is people from all backgrounds with all points of view ... and the more disagreement there is, the easier for the truth to establish. To wit, agreement rarely ventures beyond the point of agreement. Only disagreement can take you deep into the rabbit hole. As long as we respect each other - while disagreeing - then we are a credit to the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C?line View Post
    IMO Who ever told you one bad apple ruins the bushel ..was wrong
    Of course, they're wrong, Celine.

    Nor does one good apple save the bushel.

    Between these extremes, we have a mix of apples in the bushel ... with the rotten ones at the top; the half-rotten ones in the nest layer down; the quarter rotten ones in the layer after that; the eighth-rotten; the sixteenth-rotten ... etc.

    At some point, the call has to be made to toss the bushel aside and go back to a new apple tree ... or a new orchard.



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    It has to begin somewhere in order for it to end/change
    There are those of us who are aware of a hell of a lot more than most and we cannot condemn a movement based on the ignorance of some.
    I applaud everyone who gets off their a$$ and joins in this movement and encourage our pessimists to do the same.
    Not everyone on the streets in cities across the world now know the things we do, few know the extent of the evil that has taken control of our world and most are there because of their own difficulties and want change.
    I will not be one to put down people for doing what we all have been dreaming of doing for years. The banksters and the corporate elite are done. WE need to take them out and set the wheels in motion for a new paradigm.
    This is it, this is what we've been waiting for. If you are not part of the solution...
    Getting off the proverbial rump is something all of @Nexus have done when we started this thing, Rich. Some spend their time banging physical drums. Others spend theirs banging metaphysical drums. Still others bang on intellectual drums. Let's give all drum bangers their due. Let's also understand that some drummers merely make noise while others pound the deepest-reaching beats.



    ps: If there is a stench of pessimism in the air, please understand that the interesting times we live in give off a pungent odor. We can throw images of jasmines and roses at the brain, e.g. to try and trick the nose; but in the end, the nose that is all too familiar with the smell of sulphur, is not so quick to forget it.

    ps2: I once posted about the square pyramid geometry: http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...ll=1#post30246

    beginExcerpt
    In this modeling, the perfect human square pyramidal organization of 10 levels would have 385 human units.

    Suppose the first level represents the apex ... the alpha human ... the head honcho
    Suppose the next two levels represent the privileged classes (the blue bloods; the golden spoons; the associates)
    Suppose the next three levels represent the minion classes (silver spoons; soldiers; securators; subprimators; sucklings)
    Suppose the remaining four classes represent the slave classes (middle class; lower middle class; poor class)

    Now, let's assume the capstone is the sigma of levels 1,2,3 ... then the population is 1+4+9 = 14 human units
    Let's further assume that the ziggurat is the sigma of levels 4,5,6 ... then the population is 16+25+36 = 77 human units
    Finally, assume that the base is the sigma of levels 7,8,9,10 ... then the population is 49+64+81+100 = 294 human units
    end


    In essence, what we have is not 1% or 99% ... but 14/385= 3.6% ... (14+77)/385 = 24%. IOW, 4 vs 96 (when we isolate the capstone) and 24 vs 76 (when we isolate the capstone and ziggurat from the base).

    We are the 76% is just not sexy, any way you cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZookieMonster View Post
    The Soros connection to Occupy Wall Street:
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011...reet-protests/

    Of course, Soros will deny it ... no stalking tiger admits to owning the stripes in the grass.
    This is SO much bigger than Soros.

    ps: Nexus's mandate is not to get behind anything. It's charter, AFAIK, is truth-seeking and information-sharing. We have enough wise people on board to fill in the contextual gaps. The last thing we need at Nexus is a colligative mass, for that introduces colligative properties into the mix. What we need, IMHO, is people from all backgrounds with all points of view ... and the more disagreement there is, the easier for the truth to establish. To wit, agreement rarely ventures beyond the point of agreement. Only disagreement can take you deep into the rabbit hole. As long as we respect each other - while disagreeing - then we are a credit to the truth.
    I agree that Nexus, as a whole, should not ever endorse any mandate, movement, etc. My point is that they fear it, not that it should happen.

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    Re: WE are the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    It has to begin somewhere in order for it to end/change
    Yeah in the INDIVIDUAL, not in a mindless mass of ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    There are those of us who are aware of a hell of a lot more than most and we cannot condemn a movement based on the ignorance of some.
    I can. I was ignorant regarding this kind of stuff once, but snapped out of it and I'm still finding new insights and I'm removing crap and I still ignore more that I could ever learn in a zillion life times... so what's their excuse?. The problem is not ignorance itself, but people who are ignorant of their own ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I applaud everyone who gets off their a$$ and joins in this movement and encourage our pessimists to do the same.
    And then they'll get the military boot on their face.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Not everyone on the streets in cities across the world now know the things we do, few know the extent of the evil that has taken control of our world and most are there because of their own difficulties and want change.
    No, most are there because they are angry and hungry... they do not want any real change, they just want some faces to be removed, so MAYBE the new faces can give them back their toys and their remunerated slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I will not be one to put down people for doing what we all have been dreaming of doing for years. The banksters and the corporate elite are done. WE need to take them out and set the wheels in motion for a new paradigm.
    Speak for yourself, I haven't been dreaming with a mass of idiots joining protests which achieve nothing for the common folk, save for the human experiment being run by the same very elites you hate. The bankers and the corporations are not done, that's just wishful thinking and if they do disappear as a result of the engineered protests then they'll go chameleon mode and use whatever disguise suits them best... those people are eager to buy into a new artificial life and the chameleons are eager to sell it to them.

    Oh and you can't hope to take them out by using their own devices... democracy, protests, revolutions are their game.



    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    This is it, this is what we've been waiting for. If you are not part of the solution...
    We, we, we, we... I just can't jump into the collective bandwagon. When most people start to think for themselves and look for truth, not just get angry because their childish lifestyle is being taken away from them... that day I may say: this is it.

    Oh and as for Warren boy: Give them their heroes.

    "You begin saving the world by saving one man at a time; all else is grandiose romanticism or politics"
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    Re: WE are the 99%

    It is interesting that this occupy (insert wherever you are here) movement has polarized so many. We have one side saying, this is great, at least people are demanding change out into the street, and the other side saying, well it isn't going to change anything, and people are complaining for the sake of it because they don't have their 'freedom' anymore.

    Personally it seems that those who aren't affected really don't care that much about it whether they have researched and are 'awakened' or not. Whether this movement has come under control of tptb,I am just making an assumption here, that people see this as a way to attempt to force about a change because they are not aware of other ways.

    If we are against people from protesting against the 1% or the elete or whatever you want to refer to 'them' by, then what is your solution to the worldy issues we are facing? I am an armchair activist, and prefer sharing knowledge and truths than getting out on the streets and throwing rocks at cars, or sleeping in a park to voice my concern.

    That is how I fight. And we all have to fight in our own way. All here know we are not in control, so instead of focusing on these movements being infiltrated and the negative side of things, and these movements not workign etc, maybe we can appreciate that even if people are not aware of exactly what the problems are, there are more people every day at least openning to the possibility that they do have power to change things for the better.

    Maybe my perspective is skewed or something, but I say for those that think it will help, get out in the street and voice your opinion. otherwise find the way that suits you best to do what you can to bring about a change in the way we live.

    The problems this world has is bigger than each of us, but we do have a growing opportunity to change things. We just have to keep in mind that these people who are in control have perfected their craft over a significant period of time. we are only just beginning.

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