Hoagland, Wilcott and Co...full of it!

[Ross]

Grabbed this off a site as I concur with the post below.

Mostly directed at Elenin's information Hoagland and Wilcott had announced, along with many other theories these fools have offered up to the gullible, and often at a cost, for the followers.

There was a time when I gave some credit to Hoaglands research, but as time has gone by, he has become more of a bullsh!t artist and a money grabber, thus he is no longer on my radar...along with many others.

This post sums it up fairly well.

Young bright teenagers (as well as more seasoned campaigners) entering the world of conspiracy get hooked and spend a good portion of their lives believing the dribble they offer, attending conferences and spending hundreds of dollars on books, courses and dvds that line the pockets of the deceivers.
It is a very difficult world to leave for many as their once convincing belief systems collapse on foundations of sand and when they realise they have been had. Of course all their stuff is unverifiable, outlandish and little if any of it ever comes to pass. Then of course when nothing does happen they change the story or the name of the website and so on.
It is almost criminal.

Having had the benefit of studying cults and new religious movements for many years, it is all too evident to see the patterns of those who would deceive and benefit from the pockets of others whilst either knowingly misinforming or doing so in a delusional state.

Ross

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[Heretic]

yeah Wilcock has always been on the fringe IMHO but Hoagland had some science credibility there with me until he started working on the torsion field physics that we, as a species, were missing to prevent some 2012 doomsday end of the world idea

seems he jumped onto the 2012 idea to cash in...or maybe just a bad management call

[VajraYaya]

I've said this before. Hoagland it seems is a bit of an attention whore. He loves being the "science advisor" on Coast. But he is ALWAYS wrong. Not one thing he has predicted has happened, but of course he will find a way to convince himself that it has.

Wilcock.. While I do appreciate his bent toward a positive future, he is just such a BS artist. He makes these HUGE leaps in his presentations, associating things or concepts that are just so NOT associable. [Is that a word?] He is often wrong on facts, misinterpreting others work and twisting it to make himself look credible. The latest one I know about was during one of the videos of his talks he refers to an image in a part of the painting at the Capitol Rotunda as being of the Mayan calendar when in reality it was an image of the Aztec Sunstone. In trying to Use William Henry's work in his own, he grossly misinterprets it and uses the error to make a larger point which of course would evaporate in the face of the misrepresentation. Henry, Whom Wilcock considers an equal, attempted to bring this error to his attention. I don't know if he ever responded or corrected himself.

Predictions almost NEVER happen. Wasn't the end of the world supposed to happen two days ago on the 21st.. Oh well, I guess that crazy Christian guy who was predicting the end for May, and when it didn't happen, switched it to October, should be digging himself a hole to crawl into, or maybe to throw all his bibles into.

[Scott]

This is what happens, I have seen it happen to people over and over, I am not sure if its just Ego or a complete re-programming that occurs. But it always ends the same. The big names play the archetype of the fool to intentionally or perhaps un-intentionally discredit every word that has ever come out of their mouths.

Its almost like a switch gets flipped.
its like: "oh oh people are paying attention, time to flip the Fool switch"

Then they shoot themselves in the foot by making outlandish claims like "Benjamin Fulford is an insider with a secret ninja army" or All ETs are fluffy bunny good guys" or "Comet Elenin is a spaceship" or "Hey who wants to be a 12th dimensional being, sigh up here" and "their coming to take me away haha hehe"

I just am not sure if its ego, a reprogramming or a bit of both.

Scott

[ArtyCarl]

I think these 'celebrities' all fall into the same trap.

They start off with a very small piece of the puzzle and thats it, but in order to maintain their 'celebrity' they have to either embellish their own parts or pin their colours to someone else's material in the hope of basking in a little reflected glory.

I see this so much in people like Hoagland but also in someone like Bob Dean who despite saying for years that he would not be giving any further interviews, is now a regular fixture on the speaking circuit and in my opinion risks his good reputation by including information that is not his own.

[irishspirit]

With respect to the characters above, one word In my opinion can sum them up, GREED!

[Heretic]

I think these 'celebrities' all fall into the same trap.

They start off with a very small piece of the puzzle and thats it, but in order to maintain their 'celebrity' they have to either embellish their own parts or pin their colours to someone else's material in the hope of basking in a little reflected glory.

I see this so much in people like Hoagland but also in someone like Bob Dean who despite saying for years that he would not be giving any further interviews, is now a regular fixture on the speaking circuit and in my opinion risks his good reputation by including information that is not his own.

reminds me of what John Lear calls "UFO Disease" mentioned many times in his interviews, this one from his PC interview when talking about Bill Cooper:

"But later he got what we call ?UFO disease.? And UFO disease is something that we get... we are just so in demand as speakers and we?ve already told whatever we know, so now we got to make up a little more to keep the interest. Being in demand like that is, it?s addictive, so you make up a little more and that?s called UFO disease and that?s what happened to Bill. He started making stuff up."

source

[Operator]

It's called infiltration ... There is a lot more subtle mind control going on then we think.

TPTB love to see how celebrities are growing and growing. They even might bring in some aid
to cultivate them. During all this preparation the celeb is profiled, by professionals !
For every profile they have successful methods to take over. But first they will make sure that
there is a large enough herd following this 'shepherd to be' without consideration ...

You think that's it ? ... No there is more, without knowing you might be a celeb too. Posters on
forums and e.g. youtube are monitored too. It's great we can see and follow how many people
are viewing and thanking us for our great posts etc. But this is direct input for intervention.
Once a poster becomes a known and trusted figure he will be steered into the directions they want.

Isn't it convenient how e.g. youtube offers you videos that might be of interest to you ? They know
exactly what convinces you or will make you repost info. I think it would be healthy for us to pause
for some time and reevaluate if we are indeed are going our 'own' way ....

[aroundthetable]

i dont care if he is right, i would def have him round for sunday dinner (meat free).

[Modwiz]

i dont care if he is right, i would def have him round for sunday dinner (meat free).

That one sentence is enough to send me off on an innuendo orgy.

Instead let me say, nice diet.

[Chicodoodoo]

Credibility is very hard to earn and easy to lose. That works very much to the benefit of the PTB, who are experts at destroying the credibility of their opponents. I recommend paying special attention to the whistle-blowers that maintain credibility and are such a threat to the PTB that they must be killed. Chip Tatum, Phil Schneider, and Bill Cooper immediately spring to mind. Their testimony has withstood the test of time quite well.

[Northern Boy]

no argument from me here never thought much of either of them just never said anything worth listening to wlpeeople talk about ego and the need to repress it But i never here anyone say it about Wilcock and he is full of himself sorry if i stepped on any ones toes that is a fan of his