Hoagland Exposed

[VajraYaya]

Hi All..


Someone on Avalon pointed toward this expose [cant' figure out how to get the accent on the last 'e' to get the word right] of Richard Hoaxland. I have not yet read it all, but so far what I read doesn't surprise me at all.

What do you all think..

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1427/...SplittedPage=0

Before this story broke, Michael Vara and I admired Richard Hoagland and had even asked him to be on the “Late Night in the Midlands” radio show. We didn't share all of his views but we still thought that he was pushing for the truth in his own way. All that changed however during our subsequent research of this story. By the time we got finished with our investigation we knew that Richard Hoagland was definitely a liar who hides data, manipulates people and most likely also still works for NASA and other government agencies as a gatekeeper to steer the herd away from the truth and into whatever fantasy he is pushing next. Examples of these fantasies were when he told everybody that Elenin was not a comet but a spaceship and that YU-55 would actually hit the moon after it flew by the Earth according to his secret sources! Of course nothing Richard Hoagland says ever comes to pass and he never shows evidence for his most outrageous claims! You'll understand why when you finish this article.

-- EDIT--
Links to two pages referred to in the above story, with more info.

http://www.latenightinthemidlands.co...hard-c-hogland

http://www.latenightinthemidlands.co...d-c-hoagland-3

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[Northern Boy]

I never liked that Son of a B!tch and am glad he has been exposed . He may have some pertinent material but to hang on to it and deceive the populous to chase soon to be worthless dollars. I am sure there is a tree with a strong branch that will support him out there some where and some one will take it upon themselves to right the situation in regards to Richard C Hoaxland

[Ross]

The Man is dangerous to the Alternative media. Completely off his rocker. These types need to piss off; they are only fuelling an already Alt community filled arena, with hoax's, nutters and crackpots.

Kerry Cassidy and Camelot very much support this Man, along with an entire ensemble of folk who enjoy listening to their own voice, charging you for your hard earned cash while offering up, in most cases, complete unverifiable nonsense.

Came across this from Floyd over at the Mists: fairly well sums it up.

We have all heard of the X files but what about the full of crap files. Here are my contenders.
In no particular order.


1 Jane Burgermeisster
What she say..massive death.
What happened..she fractured the conspiracy movement and made a few quid.

2. Pete Peterson (lol) Said two years ago that we are going to run out of oxygen within ten months.

3. Henry Deacon (Art Neumann) said we can cure flu by blow drying our nostrils, I kid you not.

4. Blossom goodchild. A very large spaceship was going to appear. It didnt. Big suprise there then. (in fairness not interviewed by camelot or avalon but just as full of crap as those who were.

5.Hoagland. Elenin is a spaceship and asteroid YU55 was going to crash into the moon.

7 St Claire said that Sarah Palin would be the next president when Obama won

8. Keryy cassidy goes on a holiday with cult leader Anna Hayes that would cost any other punter $10,000

9, Bill Ryan gets involved with Charles, bovver boy and fixer for the 5000 year old skin shedding master. The ancient one. Right.

10. Bill Ryan promotes Inelia. Some irrelevant half wit who charges $99 for ascension.

11. Wilcock. self styled guru and false predictions of disclosure. Not to mention his Ascension 2000 website and his latter day denials that he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. By the way Cayces' predictions also did not come to pass.


Please add to the list because its Xxxxxxxx endless

Thank you Floyd.

Ross

[ZookieMonster]

Hoagland. NASA insider. 'Nuff said, really.

NASA and the nexus of paper clip (e.g. nazi) organizations would've stifled Hoagland had he been a real threat. So either he is off his rocker ... or he's running a rabbit for the greyhounds.

[VajraYaya]

I still think that Hoaxland is Wilcock's oft mentioned, secret high level insider providing him with info he bases his predictions on.

[Scott]

aye Hoaxland, good name for him.
To bad the guy who was interviewed, Gary the Mad Martian is somewhat disconnected with reality.

Scott

[Luke]

You know, this is actually clever. All that guys sell info, no matter that 99/100 will give them middle finger, the 1% is jackpot.

And there is hardly a limit to gullibility. I mean "Dark Mission" sits on my shelf too. Rinse, repeat, multiply. (and it ticked me off that Mike Bara got shafted in the book deal .. at least he have kittens (fact check on that one, but think he alluded that in spectrum interview))

Everyone stumbling starting in this field do run into those people, thinking they are credible ... and usually get totally disillusioned with WHOLE thing, before encountering anything serious (or at least not money grab)

That said , at least David W., for all his pomp, parade and self-indulgence do get some basic stuff laid out. Very basic stuff, as in "15 minutes". Ok, you need something like that, or you will be overwhelmed. But that's about it.

[robert]

it thought that i should post one of the comment that can be found at the bottom of the page where this story broke...
Strange story to say the least.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1427/...rld_Order.html


"Posted by Anonymous on November 29, 2011 3:25
i read this article between three thirty and four in the morning... so i probably need to re read it *-) but in the interim i posted the link to this article on hoaglands facebook page and took screen shots of it... today i go there and find the like button... i didnt unlike it... i liked it again but cant post anything there and my post was deleted (i was attacked almost immediately though which was kind of odd for four am).... i specifically posted this was not an indictment of hoagland as i was unaware of all this i just wondered what anyone had to say about this..... i got banned for really no reason and that speaks volumes....i have screen shots i will be posting on my facebook account though... my albums are open to the public... John A. Iaria the truth is out there.... and hoagland aint it"

[lightblue]

aye Hoaxland, good name for him.
To bad the guy who was interviewed, Gary the Mad Martian is somewhat disconnected with reality.

Scott

the same could be said of hoagland in strongest of terms...i find him packed full of beans, pedalling some truly fantastical ideas - to say the least..just have a little listen to his popmpous presentation on hyperdimensional election of barack obama...maybe see and hear all of it if you have a good stomach...at the time, it nearly made me and i never took seriously anything coming from his end since...i think david wilcock and him may belong to the same cell of relentless disinfo workers if not something more sinister...diabolical.... l




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[Gardener]

Hoagland is on my no fly list, has been for years........Lightblue--->

[..."just have a little listen to his popmpous presentation...]"

Yes LB there is evidence of extreme grandiosity, which is his achilles heel, he got co-opted by counter inteligence or is just plain old cointelpro himself idk which. Ya know he shows no heart just reaction machine.

g

[Gardener]

Did he really work for NASA? Or is that just another of his grandiose fantasies? And if he did, why the hell would he be trusted anyway! Sorry but there is a certain taste and flavour to these people. It really comes down to there being a sheep pen for every branch of thinking, these guys vector thinking and herd people into a sheep pen that fits alla cointelpro label. I have this irresistable urge to list all the people that taste the same....................ugh; though I have to say in their defense, I think many of them don't know, and are just mired in their specialness making them useful to be used as tools.

[Ross]

Here is some info:

Hoagland says that he served as a curator of astronomy & space science at the Springfield Science Museum, located at The Quadrangle in Springfield, Massachusetts, and that he was a consultant to CBS News during the Apollo program. Hoagland appears regularly as a Science Adviser on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. Hoagland has also appeared on the BBC programs UFO Evidence & Conspiracy, and Mysteries in Space. Hoagland co-produced a radio program on WTIC (AM) of Hartford, Connecticut, The Night of the Encounter, which covered the July 14, 1965, Mariner 4 flyby of the planet Mars. Hoagland authored the book The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever, and co-authored the book Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA, which was ranked 21st on the New York Times Best Seller list for Paperback Nonfiction for one week on November 18, 2007.

Hoagland formerly operated a website, The Enterprise Mission, which he termed "an independent NASA watchdog and research group attempting to figure out how much of what NASA has found in the solar system over the past 50 years has actually been silently filed out of sight as classified material". In late 2007, Hoagland released the recording of a National Press Club press conference held on October 30, 2007 in which Hoagland and Ken Johnston, a former NASA employee who worked in the Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the Apollo missions, announced that Johnston was ordered to destroy Apollo lunar images and data 40 years ago. Johnston states that he secretly preserved these Apollo images in a private album of "about 1000 old NASA photos and other memorabilia" from his time at NASA, and some of these images were printed and discussed along with Johnston's story in the Dark Mission book. In December 2007, Project Camelot released a 3-part ~3 hour interview with Hoagland where he talks about "the secret history of NASA", he shows lunar images and elaborates on his various claims about the moon, and he talks about a variety of topics such as "hyperdimensional physics", ancient monuments, the Vatican, consciousness, and the year 2012.

In 1997, Hoagland received the Ig Nobel Prize for Astronomy a parody award given for outlandish or "trivial" contributions to science. In November 2006, Conscious Media Network interviewed Hoagland. Hoagland has made numerous claims about the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life, supported by digitally reprocessed photographic evidence from planetary exploration and testimonials by former government and military officials. During guest appearances on Coast to Coast AM With George Noory, Hoagland references longstanding friendships with scientists from NASA and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory who, according to Hoagland, provide him with inside information. However, on the 21 and 22 August 2008 radio show he stated "we do not depend on sources, when I say so-and-so source told me, I have additional confirmation from another mechanism, usually the physics and terms of numbers that backs up with what our source or sources have told us.

Many scientists have responded to Hoagland's claims and assertions. Professional astronomer Phil Plait described Hoagland as a pseudoscientist and his claims as ridiculous. In 2002, Ralph Greenberg, Professor of Mathematics at University of Washington, Seattle, wrote a paper asserting that the logic of Hoagland's deductions from the geometry of Cydonia Mensae is flawed and says that Hoagland is not a trained scientist in any sense. The claim that the crashing of the Galileo Probe into Jupiter caused a "mysterious black spot" on the planet has since been disputed by both NASA and Dr. Plait. There is photographic evidence that a similar "black spot" was present in imagery of Jupiter taken in 1998. A second image referenced by Dr. Plait shows a dark ring which looks similar to the spot Hoagland cited. In 1995 Malin Space Science Systems, NASA prime contractor for planetary imaging, published a paper critiquing claims that the 'city' at Cydonia is artificial, the claimed mathematical relationships, and — very specifically — denying any claims about concealing questionable data from the public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland
Ross

[gratitudeandlove]

What does it say about Project Avalon and Project Camelot. Anything with the name "PROJECT" should ring bells. As you all know, Project Camelot was the name of a Military Project and is a complete psy-ops project designed to throw honest (and educated) seekers off the real trail.

Project Camelot was a social science research project of the United States Army that started in 1964 and was cancelled after congressional hearings in 1965. The goal of the project was to assess the causes of conflict between national groups, to anticipate social breakdown and provide eventual solutions. The proposal caused much controversy among social scientists, many of whom voiced concerns that such a study was in conflict with their professional ethics.

TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THIS MILITARY PROJECT -

Document Number 1 -
The following description of Project Camelot was released on December 4, 1964, through the Office of the Director of the Special Operations Research Office (SORO) of the American University in Washington, D.C. It was sent to scholars who were presumed interested in the study of internal war potentials and who might be willing to assemble at a four-week conference at the Airlie House in Virginia in August 1965. This release, dated December 4, 1964, is a summary version of a larger set of documents made available in August 1964 and in December 1964 [I.L.H.].

Project CAMELOT is a study whose objective is to determine the feasibility of developing a general social systems model which would make it possible to predict and influence politically significant aspects of social change in the developing nations of the world. Somewhat more specifically, its objectives are:

First, to devise procedures for assessing the potential for internal war within national societies;

Second, to identify with increased degrees of confidence those actions which a government might take to relieve conditions which are assessed as giving rise to a potential for internal war; and

Finally, to assess the feasibility of prescribing the characteristics of a system for obtaining and using the essential information needed for doing the above two things.

A Communist Commentary on Camelot
by Jorge Montes
Chilean Chamber of Deputies, 1965

A number of newspapers, and particularly El Siglo, have been referring to a so-called "Project Camelot." What is this project? In order to define it, we shall textually quote from an official document. [See Document No.1 above, from which excerpts were cited.


Camelot Goes Underground

When the true nature of Project Camelot was revealed, it was forced to curtail public operations. In reality, though, it went underground only to surface with a variety of new covers: as government agencies, individual academics, private corporations and, of course, individual agents. The work encompassed in the original project would still be carried out, but the form of operation would change. Camelot researchers were still at the stage of identifying their "would-be-attackers" and much work remained to be done. Thus while Ambassador Dungan apologized to the Chileans for Camelot, the CIA began to restructure its embassy network to accommodate the hidden Camelot.

Go to this link to read more on the above - http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/camelot.html

Cassidy is a Hollywood wannabe who was brought up as a Military Child. Any child coming out of the Military pre-schools are generally mind controlled. Perhaps a MK Mind Controlled Puppet.

ANYONE WHO HAS NOT READ - INSIDE LAUREL CANYON, PLEASE DO SO. http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html

It shows all the connections between military and rock stars and satanic involvement in the 70's and a place called Laurel Canyon. And what did most of these rock stars have in common - A MILITARY PRE-SCHOOL. This is a fascinating read that brings together in the web of deceit most of the leading names in the rock industry and who controlled them.

[Limited Edition]

The Ig award? That is funny. Harold Camping is a winner this year.

In 1997, Hoagland received the Ig Nobel Prize for Astronomy a parody award given for outlandish or "trivial" contributions to science.

I have this irresistable urge to list all the people that taste the same....................ugh

I like your idea of the ugh award. It appears that there already is one.

[Ross]

During the summer and fall of 2011 Hoagland spoke and wrote extravagantly about comet C/2010 X1, also known as Elenin after its discoverer, and asteroid 2005 YU55. At a June teleconference sponsored by Project Camelot he gave the correct dates for closest approach to Earth for both bodies. He said that YU55 would come dangerously close to both Earth and Moon while we were all distracted by Elenin.

At the Exopolitics conference in Leeds, and again at the Awake & Aware conference in Irvine, California, he expounded a complex pseudo-statistical theory which he said proved that Elenin was not a comet but a spaceship, sent by a prior Earthly civilization 13,000 years ago with a message for contemporary humanity. When, in late August, professional cometary astronomers announced that Elenin had begun to break up, Hoagland denied this and showed an image which he said proved that the spaceship had a tetrahedral shield protecting it from coronal mass ejections.

On Coast to Coast AM, 21 October, he stated that two things persuaded him that the asteroid YU55 was also under intelligent control. First, its rotation period was 19.5 hours. Second, it was perfectly spherical. Both factors later turned out to be false, when better ephemerides and radar images became available. In a further appearance on the radio show, and on his Facebook page, he developed a theory that Elenin and YU55 had had coincident perihelions and that the trajectory of YU55 had then been perturbed such that it would now impact the Moon. He said that he had "numbers" to prove this but did not reveal what those numbers were. He advised his followers to store food, water and cash because the lunar impact would be so spectacular that some public panic would ensue.

On Coast to Coast AM, 7 November, he stated that two separate "sources" had informed him that an Atlas-Centaur was being launched from Vandenberg AFB that very night, on a mission to either observe or, more probably, to deflect, the asteroid.

In the event, neither of these two bodies diverged from predicted paths. Elenin disintegrated completely into a dust cloud. If there was a message for humanity it was not made public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

[VajraYaya]

I really wonder if this guy thinks he can keep putting out really wild absolute BS predictions that never come true and not see that his reputation with more and more people is heading down the gurgler.

All of these events have come and gone or never happened at all, and he still goes on Coast and keeps spewing more crap. Is he really that blind? He has to disappear after a while when people stop listening to him.

[Ross]

I really wonder if this guy thinks he can keep putting out really wild absolute BS predictions that never come true and not see that his reputation with more and more people is heading down the gurgler.

All of these events have come and gone or never happened at all, and he still goes on Coast and keeps spewing more crap. Is he really that blind? He has to disappear after a while when people stop listening to him.

I feel there is substance to SOME of his findings...along with research from others Hoags has used. However, as articulate and poised as he appears, (he is not a stupid man) Some of his claims, and imo, extremely foolish and stupidly tactless, he has done himself and the Alt communities no favours in terms of helping wake up those who are hypnotized (the masses of humanity). When you start dishing out theories claiming Elenin and YU55 are artificial bodies and prepare for possible doom, all based on non-factual evidence, and worse, NONE of it eventuates, what really are you creating?

In the face of those who control the world, he is doing them a huge favour, reinforcing an already ridiculed Alternative viewpoint as Conspiracy theorists (crackpots). It makes our job so much harder to expose the way this world really operates and to educate as many as we can.

We must be clever...

If you can get folk to understand the economic fraud and the controllers of world finance (world banks, IMF etc.
The Pharmaceutical/FDA/WHO/Govt complex
The Agriculture Industry (Monsanto's and the like)
The Factory farming Industry
Corporations and their control over Govts
The Arms Industry
The Oil Industry
And hit em with 9/11...maybe after a few of the above
And a plethora of others...

This is what most folk can are able to comprehend...if you give them a chance...but once you start throwing spacecraft asteroids, reptilian masters, shape shifting politicians, star gate portals, 10 dimensional ascension guru's, 5000 year old masters...you get the picture?

Some of the above MAY be true…but try telling the masses that and see where it gets you, a fast ticket to crackpot Island selling your wares to the gullible natives.

If we want to change this insane nature of humanity via those that make policy, overtly and covertly, we MUST be clever about it. It is paramount to the cause.

Ross

[Heretic]

If we want to change this insane nature of humanity via those that make policy, overtly and covertly, we MUST be clever about it. It is paramount to the cause.

Ross

Good post Ross and right on the money IMHO, avoiding the fringe, real or not, is paramount in spreading the word to the masses.

If they have already embraced an element of the fringe, using that element as a means to uncover the more mundane and dangerous conspiracies that threaten or limit exploration into that fringe also works

[lightblue]

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This is what most folk can are able to comprehend...if you give them a chance...but once you start throwing spacecraft asteroids, reptilian masters, shape shifting politicians, star gate portals, 10 dimensional ascension guru's, 5000 year old masters...you get the picture?

Some of the above MAY be true…but try telling the masses that and see where it gets you, a fast ticket to crackpot Island selling your wares to the gullible natives.

If we want to change this insane nature of humanity via those that make policy, overtly and covertly, we MUST be clever about it. It is paramount to the cause.

Ross

thanks....i share the same view..extreme care must be excersised.. a lot of people are simply not preperad, cannot absorb and/or comprehend the many facets of the unexposed horror reality... l

gardener: I have this irresistable urge to list all the people that taste the same.....

please do...




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[Luke]

There is this bit about having real proofs, as for example things that are clearly observable by each and every one of us in our direct environment.

versus

stories "prooved" by heavily photoshopped images and "he said that she said" heresay, where rumour and wild speculation have equal weight to law of gravity.

And yes, this is clearly another facet of our collective insanity.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I wish Hoaxland would just GO AWAY and STFU!!
Somebody said earlier in the thread that "will people eventually stop following Hoaxland when they realise that nothing he says comes true" The thing is the alternative community provides a never ending stream of fresh meat for the Hoaxland mill, in the form of newly awakened truth seekers, who through no fault of their own are quite gullible, and because of their lack of experience in these matters find it impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff (we've all been there) I wonder what percentage of truth seekers simply give up? (and that is probably the whole point) Off one Hamster wheel, straight onto another!

It would be very interesting to list all the Project Camelot interviews and see how many are complete bullsh1t (or should that be how many AREN'T)

I myself believed Richard Hoaxland at one point, fortunately i persevered and didn't give up (although it was incredibly disheartening and disappointing to have the scales fall once again from ones eyes and realise that most of the alternative media personality's are also frauds)


Hurritt

Hoaxland ==>emot-fuckoff.gif<== Hurritt

[Krystic]

Kerry Cassidy on Hoagland

"The Truth is Out There : Layers of the Onion and Richard C. Hoagland

Hi all,

I have read the Glen Canady/Michael Vara article on Late Night's Before It's News click here to view and I have to take issue with several of the points made there.

Whereas clearly the writer has good intentions and is trying to 'do the right thing', unfortunately this is a case where the surface incidents and facts do not tell the whole story. Working with whistleblower testimony for nearly six years and having spent 24/7 researching this field I have to say that what comes to light most during this time of transition is how people who are well meaning seem to be misled or lack the skills and experience to delve deeper into the truth of all the things going on around them.

Richard C. Hoagland is not perse a disinfo agent or a liar. He is however playing politics and carefully working to craft his message regarding the truth about NASA in such a way to not only expose the game being played but to do so WITH REGARD TO TIMING which he feels is all important. At the same time, he, like anyone else who discovers the truth about the Matrix, wants to stay alive in the process. Whereas, it is entirely possible he is a Mason, (I do not know this) he is not one of the "bad" ones. I can say in my dealings with him, with multiple conversations in depth about areas of his research, that he is working hard to get the truth out.

What many people who get into this sector don't realize is that every person out there has multiple alliances and that not all alliances agree with each other. Given the incredibly diverse playing field we are dealing in, it is important to also note that anyone out there who stays alive is both protected and on some level dealing with shades of grey. The minute a person starts pointing fingers and looking at the world of multiple dimensions from a perspective of black and white they lose track of the game and what is really going on.

This is where discernment comes in. While I am well aware that Richard holds back data, I am also well aware he does so because he is still collecting substantiation and withholding elements that may seem random or that would change the game and cause him to be derailed, taken off-line and/or killed, if revealed too soon or at the wrong time. Especially if he releases what he knows without regard to the consequences not only for himself but for humanity.

People who call for the truth rarely realize that there is a huge responsibility to releasing it. This is something one who deals in the real stuff... only realizes over time. Every new release of info carries with it a ripple effect on the planet that is far-reaching and not to be taken lightly.

While I do not know the details of Hoagland's interaction with Gary other than what is said in the article linked above, I can say that as someone who has gone deep down the rabbit hole and put my own life in danger multiple times, I can tell you that Gary is someone who would have been targeted by the PTB from the very beginning of his dealings with Richard. This is a no-brainer. And once you realize this, then, what happened to Gary follows a through-line that makes logical sense in this Alice in Wonderland world that the purveyors of MKUtra, mind control and scaler weaponry take full advantage of....

The fact is, that it is entirely likely that the pictures of Mars that Gary is focused on exist and are being kept from the public. Hoagland may even have been told on no uncertain terms not to release them. This doesn't make him a liar. It makes him someone who wants to stay alive (and also by the way someone who wants to keep his loved ones alive).

I do not know what Robin Falkov's role was in this saga... Or if what is said in the article is at all accurate. I do know that in my dealings with Robin, she comes across to me as a very intelligent, caring person who is also putting her life on the line for humanity. Clearly her perspective as a sometime confidante of Gary's wife put her in the middle of this drama but I believe it's very likely the real story is far more complex.

Suffice to say that I have offered Richard and Robin a venue to discuss these accusations in a public forum either on my radio show on American Freedom Radio or on a Livestream event.

A note on the money: many people do not understand what goes on behind the scenes with regard to the money, how people who investigate the Matrix and stay alive, pay the rent and so on. Just recently David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland did a FREE livestream event with me that is still available for free on the Project Camelot Live Channel on Livestream.

People have got to realize that in this quest for the truth there are two major aspects... one is gathering and reporting the data, another is interpreting it!! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOMEONE'S CONCLUSIONS OR INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA IS NO REASON TO THROW OUT THE ACTUAL FACTS PRESENTED. Learning to discern, cross-correlate and understand the complexities of right and wrong, who the good guys are etc is an intense discipline and takes years of experience, a level of detachment and discernment that few people are able to master at this time.

For example, both David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland prefer to see Obama as a good guy... They are fighting against all odds and appearances to maintain this perspective but this doesn't make them "liars". What it does indicate is that they are seeing levels of secrecy beyond the obvious. And, they are coming to this conclusion based on what they think they know.

My take on Obama is that as a soul he has a choice, he came in to play the game on the side of the masters (so-called) and in order to stay alive and move through the levels of the game he must appear to be on the dark side. He may in the process have been compromised and joined them. On the other hand he may at some point reveal himself to be on the side of the light by, in some strategic moment coming out with something so devastating he will get himself killed doing it. This is the Kennedy dilemma facing him. Now, all indicators are that he has gone over to the dark side and is completely compromised. However, this game is nothing if not a Hall of Mirrors. So I keep an open mind in regard to all players and all information going forward... watch and listen carefully.

There is no doubt if you follow the White Hat Reports that Obama is taking pay-offs, stealing money and stashing it... but why? This is the question you need to ask. Many White Hats MUST PARADE THEMSELVES AS OF THE DARK in order to complete their mission. So keep this in mind.

Another thing that is going on here is WISHFUL THINKING... many people including Hoagland, Wilcock and many others want to see the LIGHT SIDE win... we all do. But wanting something and seeing it happen are two different things. However, this desire can color the way you interpret the current goings on here on Planet Earth moving rapidly front and center into 4D. There is a level at which the fact is that the LIGHT WILL WIN in the end... however that may be a long time from now. So when you hear someone talk and relay info it's important to understand what they WANT and weigh it against what they say they KNOW. Because distortion is the name of the game here.

This is what I suggest. Start to realize that players in this game are playing on multiple levels. You cannot look at simply surface data and think you have the whole story. At this time, more than any other those who seem to be working to benefit Humanity are often just as easily using that as a cover, just as those who may seem to be working against you are using the dark as a camouflage in order to stay alive and complete their mission on your behalf.

Lastly, with regard to Elenin and YU55: all the Camelot whistleblower info with regard to both these so called asteroids is that they are and were CONTROLLED by someone. That means they are able to change course etc. The entire group of contacts Hoagland was dealing with---with regard to YU55 went black right after it was supposedly crossing our atmosphere. At the same time, Obama and the whole APEC conference was going on in Hawaii... Simultaneously, Hoagland's sources were seeing a SUBSTITUTION in the skies... with a metallic overlay, going along the original NASA trajectory. We were live on Livestream when this was happening. This is what his sources told him they were getting... All info on YU55 went black and then, a substitution appeared. According to Hoagland it wasn't even a good decoy... It was as if, those who are running YU55 wanted the scientists and white hats who were tracking it to KNOW they were being lied to... Where did the real craft go? Did it rendezvous with one of ours? Was there something on board being dropped off? All these are good questions but where are you going to get the answers? Listening to channelers who are as easily programmed as anyone else is not the answer.

Of course Hoagland looks like he's wrong if the people behind the scenes can change the game at any moment! And that goes for a lot of good people right now making bad predictions. Hoagland is following the clues and doing so meticulously and at great personal risk. He is not a NWO shill. There are a lot easier ways to kiss the ass of those in charge.

You can focus on tearing down other people because you see discrepancies in their logic, conclusions or behavior but I suggest keeping your eyes on the ball. No one has the whole story. And the fight to discover the real truth of what's going on and get it out to the people continues. They are waking up. And so are you. But in the end, you have to learn to see the layers within the layers. It's all cloak and dagger, yin and yang, light and dark. But in this game, especially at this level, the dark masquerades as the light and the light as the dark. Learn discernment and pay attention to what resonates. Because what resonates with your heart and spirit is where the truth is.. .not in superficial details that don't add up or painting a logic trail with a broad brush saying this is black and this is white.

Above all, as Hoagland has said again and again, 'the lie is different at every level'. This is what a source said to him and it's very very true. Especially when it comes to what the public is told. They are lied to every which way to Sunday and beyond. Nothing is as you see it. It's all maya and illusion. But within that, the truth is out there. And in all of us.

Best wishes,

Kerry / Project Camelot"
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

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not that interested in what kerry has to say about hoagland... besides, why doesn't she join the discussion here rather that send messages via krystic in this instance.. no? l.


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[Frank Samuel]

The Hoax man has reach a point where by now anyone that knows anything about his over the top whole lot of nothing predictions are if anything entertaining . What bothers me more than anything is that he's made out to be a spokesman for the awake and aware community while at the same time profiting from his outlandish claims.

It reminds me of April fools day, if you fall for his predictions once is funny, twice well is a bit embarrassing, three times whoever believes his off the wall analysis and predictions is just plain foolish.

[Jenci]

Despite Kerry's closing line that the truth is in all of us, the theme of the piece appears to be pointing to something else. Kerry is talking here, not about people in general, but about people like us who are seeking the truth. She seems to be saying that even within this group only very few of us will be able to see the truth.

What I noticed reading her blog is the repetition of this point . Repetition is a very effective tool used by the PTB to hammer home a point to us so that we believe it without questioning and even change associations with words. E.g. War on Terror- as people no longer can think of terror without war. Same with conspiracy theory - no longer can it be fact, only theory.

This type of repetition of phrases and points can be very empowering. I use this myself when talking to people to help them see the truth but used against people it can be very disempowering.

Either the truth is available to all of us or it is just reserved for a few who are able to see it or spend enough years seeking it or have access to the right people in the know. This idea that truth is something only in an elitist and heirarchial form, is something we are all too familiar with know. We should be moving away from this now and empowering people in the belief that truth is available to all of them too.

On the wider issue of Hoagland, I understand why information has to be held back - it really can be a matter of life or death in some cases. But if that is the case, why draw attention to it? Saying you know something the rest of the people don't or cannot, takes us back to the system of the chosen few at the top in the know. I think we all know how disempowering this can be, remembering the kid in the playground with the childish taunt of "I know something you don't".

I like Kerry. She's very passionate and committed to what she does. She's very quick thinking and intelligent and I've enjoyed watching her videos but all her traits sometimes can hinder, as well as help.

When we see this type of repetition we can ask ourselves the question, is this being done to empower or disempower?

And if it is to disempower, is it as innocent as the ego trying to prove a point with over-emphasis or it is something more sinister and being used to manipulate?

I've highlighted the text in Kerry's blog to illustrate what I am talking about.
Jeanette

Kerry Cassidy on Hoagland

"The Truth is Out There : Layers of the Onion and Richard C. Hoagland

Hi all,

I have read the Glen Canady/Michael Vara article on Late Night's Before It's News click here to view and I have to take issue with several of the points made there.

Whereas clearly the writer has good intentions and is trying to 'do the right thing', unfortunately this is a case where the surface incidents and facts do not tell the whole story. Working with whistleblower testimony for nearly six years and having spent 24/7 researching this field I have to say that what comes to light most during this time of transition is how people who are well meaning seem to be misled or lack the skills and experience to delve deeper into the truth of all the things going on around them.

Richard C. Hoagland is not perse a disinfo agent or a liar. He is however playing politics and carefully working to craft his message regarding the truth about NASA in such a way to not only expose the game being played but to do so WITH REGARD TO TIMING which he feels is all important. At the same time, he, like anyone else who discovers the truth about the Matrix, wants to stay alive in the process. Whereas, it is entirely possible he is a Mason, (I do not know this) he is not one of the "bad" ones. I can say in my dealings with him, with multiple conversations in depth about areas of his research, that he is working hard to get the truth out.

What many people who get into this sector don't realize is that every person out there has multiple alliances and that not all alliances agree with each other. Given the incredibly diverse playing field we are dealing in, it is important to also note that anyone out there who stays alive is both protected and on some level dealing with shades of grey. The minute a person starts pointing fingers and looking at the world of multiple dimensions from a perspective of black and white they lose track of the game and what is really going on.

This is where discernment comes in. While I am well aware that Richard holds back data, I am also well aware he does so because he is still collecting substantiation and withholding elements that may seem random or that would change the game and cause him to be derailed, taken off-line and/or killed, if revealed too soon or at the wrong time. Especially if he releases what he knows without regard to the consequences not only for himself but for humanity.

People who call for the truth rarely realize that there is a huge responsibility to releasing it. This is something one who deals in the real stuff... only realizes over time. Every new release of info carries with it a ripple effect on the planet that is far-reaching and not to be taken lightly.

While I do not know the details of Hoagland's interaction with Gary other than what is said in the article linked above, I can say that as someone who has gone deep down the rabbit hole and put my own life in danger multiple times I can tell you that Gary is someone who would have been targeted by the PTB from the very beginning of his dealings with Richard. This is a no-brainer. And once you realize this, then, what happened to Gary follows a through-line that makes logical sense in this Alice in Wonderland world that the purveyors of MKUtra, mind control and scaler weaponry take full advantage of....

The fact is, that it is entirely likely that the pictures of Mars that Gary is focused on exist and are being kept from the public. Hoagland may even have been told on no uncertain terms not to release them. This doesn't make him a liar. It makes him someone who wants to stay alive (and also by the way someone who wants to keep his loved ones alive).

I do not know what Robin Falkov's role was in this saga... Or if what is said in the article is at all accurate. I do know that in my dealings with Robin, she comes across to me as a very intelligent, caring person who is also putting her life on the line for humanity. Clearly her perspective as a sometime confidante of Gary's wife put her in the middle of this drama but I believe it's very likely the real story is far more complex.

Suffice to say that I have offered Richard and Robin a venue to discuss these accusations in a public forum either on my radio show on American Freedom Radio or on a Livestream event.

A note on the money: many people do not understand what goes on behind the scenes with regard to the money, how people who investigate the Matrix and stay alive, pay the rent and so on. Just recently David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland did a FREE livestream event with me that is still available for free on the Project Camelot Live Channel on Livestream.

People have got to realize that in this quest for the truth there are two major aspects... one is gathering and reporting the data, another is interpreting it!! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOMEONE'S CONCLUSIONS OR INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA IS NO REASON TO THROW OUT THE ACTUAL FACTS PRESENTED. Learning to discern, cross-correlate and understand the complexities of right and wrong, who the good guys are etc is an intense discipline and takes years of experience, a level of detachment and discernment that few people are able to master at this time.

For example, both David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland prefer to see Obama as a good guy... They are fighting against all odds and appearances to maintain this perspective but this doesn't make them "liars". What it does indicate is that they are seeing levels of secrecy beyond the obvious. And, they are coming to this conclusion based on what they think they know.

My take on Obama is that as a soul he has a choice, he came in to play the game on the side of the masters (so-called) and in order to stay alive and move through the levels of the game he must appear to be on the dark side. He may in the process have been compromised and joined them. On the other hand he may at some point reveal himself to be on the side of the light by, in some strategic moment coming out with something so devastating he will get himself killed doing it. This is the Kennedy dilemma facing him. Now, all indicators are that he has gone over to the dark side and is completely compromised. However, this game is nothing if not a Hall of Mirrors. So I keep an open mind in regard to all players and all information going forward... watch and listen carefully.

There is no doubt if you follow the White Hat Reports that Obama is taking pay-offs, stealing money and stashing it... but why? This is the question you need to ask. Many White Hats MUST PARADE THEMSELVES AS OF THE DARK in order to complete their mission. So keep this in mind.

Another thing that is going on here is WISHFUL THINKING... many people including Hoagland, Wilcock and many others want to see the LIGHT SIDE win... we all do. But wanting something and seeing it happen are two different things. However, this desire can color the way you interpret the current goings on here on Planet Earth moving rapidly front and center into 4D. There is a level at which the fact is that the LIGHT WILL WIN in the end... however that may be a long time from now. So when you hear someone talk and relay info it's important to understand what they WANT and weigh it against what they say they KNOW. Because distortion is the name of the game here.

This is what I suggest. Start to realize that players in this game are playing on multiple levels. You cannot look at simply surface data and think you have the whole story. At this time, more than any other those who seem to be working to benefit Humanity are often just as easily using that as a cover, just as those who may seem to be working against you are using the dark as a camouflage in order to stay alive and complete their mission on your behalf.

Lastly, with regard to Elenin and YU55: all the Camelot whistleblower info with regard to both these so called asteroids is that they are and were CONTROLLED by someone. That means they are able to change course etc. The entire group of contacts Hoagland was dealing with---with regard to YU55 went black right after it was supposedly crossing our atmosphere. At the same time, Obama and the whole APEC conference was going on in Hawaii... Simultaneously, Hoagland's sources were seeing a SUBSTITUTION in the skies... with a metallic overlay, going along the original NASA trajectory. We were live on Livestream when this was happening. This is what his sources told him they were getting... All info on YU55 went black and then, a substitution appeared. According to Hoagland it wasn't even a good decoy... It was as if, those who are running YU55 wanted the scientists and white hats who were tracking it to KNOW they were being lied to... Where did the real craft go? Did it rendezvous with one of ours? Was there something on board being dropped off? All these are good questions but where are you going to get the answers? Listening to channelers who are as easily programmed as anyone else is not the answer.

Of course Hoagland looks like he's wrong if the people behind the scenes can change the game at any moment! And that goes for a lot of good people right now making bad predictions. Hoagland is following the clues and doing so meticulously and at great personal risk. He is not a NWO shill. There are a lot easier ways to kiss the ass of those in charge.

You can focus on tearing down other people because you see discrepancies in their logic, conclusions or behavior but I suggest keeping your eyes on the ball. No one has the whole story. And the fight to discover the real truth of what's going on and get it out to the people continues. They are waking up. And so are you. But in the end, you have to learn to see the layers within the layers. It's all cloak and dagger, yin and yang, light and dark. But in this game, especially at this level, the dark masquerades as the light and the light as the dark. Learn discernment and pay attention to what resonates. Because what resonates with your heart and spirit is where the truth is.. .not in superficial details that don't add up or painting a logic trail with a broad brush saying this is black and this is white.

Above all, as Hoagland has said again and again, 'the lie is different at every level'. This is what a source said to him and it's very very true. Especially when it comes to what the public is told. They are lied to every which way to Sunday and beyond. Nothing is as you see it. It's all maya and illusion. But within that, the truth is out there. And in all of us.

Best wishes,

Kerry / Project Camelot"
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html