Senate OKs Gov't to Keep US Citizens in Military Custody, Indefinitely and Without Trial

[gratitudeandlove]

Defying the Obama administration’s threat of a veto, the Senate on Tuesday voted to increase the role of the military in imprisoning suspected members of Al Qaeda and its allies — including people arrested inside the United States.

By a vote of 61 to 37, the Senate turned back an effort to strip a major military bill of a set of disputed provisions affecting the handling of terrorism cases. While the legislation still has several steps to go, the vote makes it likely that Congress will eventually send to President Obama’s desk a bill that contains detainee-related provisions his national-security team has said are unacceptable.

The most disputed provision would require the government to place into military custody any suspected member of Al Qaeda or one of its allies connected to a plot against the United States or its allies. The provision would exempt American citizens, but would otherwise extend to arrests on United States soil. The executive branch could issue a waiver and keep such a prisoner in the civilian system.

A related provision would create a federal statute saying the government has the legal authority to keep people suspected of terrorism in military custody, indefinitely and without trial. It contains no exception for American citizens. It is intended to bolster the authorization to use military force against the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, which lawmakers enacted a decade ago.

The administration has strongly opposed the mandatory military custody provision, saying it “would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets.”

In recent days, several top national security officials — including the secretary of defense, Leon E. Panetta; the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper; and the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, have voiced opposition to the proposal, as have several former counterterrorism officials from the Bush administration.

But among Republican senators, there was nearly unanimous support for keeping the detainee provisions in the bill: 44 Republicans voted for them, while two — Mark Kirk of Illinois and Rand Paul of Kentucky — voted to remove them.

By contrast, members of the Democratic caucus were deeply divided: 35 wanted to strip the detainee provisions from the bill, but 17 voted to keep them in it. About half of the Democrats who supported keeping the provisions were members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, whose chairman, Carl Levin of Michigan, shaped the package with Republicans.

“We are at war with Al Qaeda, and people who are determined to be part of Al Qaeda should be treated as people who are at war with us,” Mr. Levin said in the debate leading up to the vote.

Mr. Levin also said that he supported the use of civilian trials for some terrorism cases and said that the waiver in the bill would leave that option available to the administration. And he repeatedly quoted from a 2004 Supreme Court case approving the detention without trial of an American citizen captured in Afghanistan and accused of fighting with the Taliban.

Senator Mark Udall, a Colorado Democrat and a member of the Armed Services Committee who sponsored the unsuccessful proposal to strip the detainee proposals from the bill, warned that the provisions could “destabilize” counterterrorism efforts, “open the door to domestic military police powers and possibly deny U.S. citizens their due process rights.” He argued that lawmakers should slow down and revisit the issue later.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said that the time had come for Congress to enact a statutory framework for how terrorism cases should be handled.

Mr. Graham also argued that detaining a terrorist for the purpose of interrogating him about planned attacks — even on domestic soil — should be viewed as a wartime act, not an exercise of “police” power that should raise any concerns about the military taking over law enforcement functions.

“I don’t believe fighting Al Qaeda is a law enforcement function,” Mr. Graham said. “I believe our military should be deeply involved in fighting these guys at home or abroad.”

[B]
THIS DOES NOT BODE TOO WELL FOR THE USA. THINGS ARE COMING TO A CRESENDO. THIS SOUNDS LIKE TREASON, ABSOLUTE TREASON. DISGUSTING [/B]

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[Chicodoodoo]

It is treason, without a doubt.

Here's a good summary of our predicament:

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...l-defense.html

[HURRITT ENYETO]

It is treason, without a doubt.

Here's a good summary of our predicament:

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.co...l-defense.html

Very good summary Chico, thanks.
I really don't think they can pull it off this time around. They got caught with 911 and 7/7 (albeit unpunished) but this Nuclear attack would have to be multitudes bigger for the desired effect, and i think it will be their downfall.

People are dumb, but they are slowly wising up, and 100000 dead is a different ball game. If they couldn't pull off 911 how would they hope to pull something like this off. I think they will try, but, IMHO it will be the end for them if they do, (i hope)


Hurritt


Ps If i were the guy that wrote the article linked i would be nervous for my life (as sad as that is) and it is exactly people like him that this bill will probably target for silencing.

[magamud]

The psychopaths have been keeping us in a Fantasy World forever, proud of their ability to Recycle us like BPA plastic bottles. Empire up and Empire down, all with the guise that "We" are in control. The lie is so Big, that for a programmed mind to analyze it, causes him to slip into the containment chamber of Sci Fi Fantasy entertainment. What a Brilliant time it is for them, to be able to do their sick necromancer work in plain sight, pumping their escapades into your mind, under your disbelief of Entertainment and your diagnosis of nonsense. The corruption is so deep that you will question your own sanity and rush for a pragmatic buoy with all your fellow man because the "truth" cannot be the Truth.
A self defending Matrix, self policed, self generated and only because there is no conscious memory of what we really are. So I say congratulations to the Wizard behind the curtain, what an accomplishment, a mantle of Deception, the Apex of Manipulation, you have degenerated our species to be a piece of the machinery, a smooth Cog in the system. Well done!

[gratitudeandlove]

We have a republican party that is a Gestapo party

There is a bill in the Senate that is attempting to keep torture alive as an interrogation technique. The National Defense Authorization Act is being debated in Congress and if passed, American citizens could be detained without a court hearing anywhere in the world. President Obama stated he will veto the bill if it should pass. Is Senate Bill 1867 threatening the US constitution? Paul Craig Roberts, former Reagan administration official and columnist, gives us his take on the proposed bill.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEMDX...layer_embedded

THE QUESTION IS - WHO WROTE THIS AMENDMENT, wHAT IS THE REASON, WHAT IS THE AGENDA??????????????

LOOK OUT ANYONE WHO CRITIZES THE GOVERNMENT.

[gratitudeandlove]

We Need a 'Rout' of Wolves to Evict the 'Stench' of Skunks Occupying Washington


It’s going to take a “rout of wolves” to oust the baboons, curs, weasels and skunks from Washington and turn this disaster around.


The US Congress is such a craven bunch that you really have to turn to Olde English to aptly describe them.

Consider that yesterday, by a vote of 93-7, the Senate approved a National Defense Authorization Bill that effectively defines the US “homeland” as a war zone, and that allows for the indefinite incarceration without trial of anyone, including US citizens and Green Card holders, without trial, in blatant violation of the Sixth Amendment of the US Constitution and of fundamental international judicial standards.

These elected representatives, so ready to sell out the fundamental rights of the people and the nation’s heritage, can be best described, using Olde English usage, as a “congress” of baboons, or a “cowardice” of curs, a “sneak” of weasels” or perhaps just a “stench” of skunks.

And it’s not over. Both houses of Congress are also considering a proposal by President Obama of a measure that will seriously undermine Social Security -- a further cut in the Social Security 12.4% payroll tax by 3.1% for workers and a matching 3.1% cut in the 40% share of that tax paid by employers--measures which taken together would gut the Social Security Trust Fund by more than $350 billion in one year.

This theft from the public is being deceitfully presented as a tax break, as if Social Security “taxes” were just like the income tax we pay. It’s not at all that. First of all, the employer’s share of the payroll tax is just like the employer contribution to a worker’s pension or 401(k). It’s your money they are contributing, because it is used to calculate your retirement benefit amount. The same is true of the payroll tax you see deducted from your paycheck. It might hurt just as much as the income tax that is withheld, but while the income tax mostly ends up to pay for endless wars, for tax giveaways to corporations, and for things like oil-depletion allowance subsidies to the oil companies, the payroll tax is your money and is put into the Trust Fund to calculate your retirement benefit! Cutting the amount deducted from your check may or may not reduce the amount of your benefit (that’s unclear), but if Congress does this without compensating for the cut by taking money from some other tax, such as a supplemental tax on the rich, to compensate for the loss of funds in the Trust Fund--and that is what the Republicans in Congress are demanding with their refusal to pass any new taxes on the wealthy--then it just strengthens the hand of those who are claiming that Social Security is going “bankrupt,” and that the system needs to be “reformed” by reducing benefits or delaying the retirement age.

This is supposed to be our Congress, but it is close to passing legislation that is a huge preparatory step towards fascism, turning the military into a domestic police force within the country’s borders, and returning the US to a pre-Revolutionary era when police and soldiers could grab people, charge them with treason, sedition or terrorism, and just lock them up or even execute them without trial. Indeed, that kind of behavior is why we had a revolution back in 1776!

And this same Congress is stealthily undermining Social Security and Medicare, the two most important legacies of the New Deal and the Great Society eras, and unarguably the two most popular programs run by the federal government.

And it’s not just Congress. President Obama started this problem off when he reneged, once elected, on his campaign promise to close the military prison camps at Guantanamo and to run a government that respected the Constitution. He did neither, continuing to endorse detention without trial, and actually expanding on the Constitutional crimes of his predecessor, President George W. Bush, by ordering the summary extra-judicial execution of at least two American citizens, who are assured the right to a trial by a jury of their peers under the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution.

He also came up with the truly lousy idea, passed by Congress last year, of cutting the Social Security payroll tax by 2% from it’s normal 6.2% level. Now he’s tripled down on the same scam by proposing increasing that cut to 3.1% for workers and another 3.1% for employers!

This wrecking ball aimed at the Social Security program is being sold as an “economic stimulus” program, when almost any economist will readily explain that it won’t work. First of all, since the payroll tax reduction goes to every person who pays the FICA tax, it means not just low income workers will get it, but also wealthy “workers.” And while the savings for a person earning minimum wage would be just $500, and would certainly be spent on something (though not necessarily on American goods, since half of the things people buy are imported!), the savings for a wealthy person earning above the Social Security taxable maximum of $106,000 would be $3300, and would likely not be spent, but rather saved, doing nothing to boost economic activity. Furthermore, the 3.1% reduction in payroll taxes paid by employers would not likely lead to any additional hiring -- the supposed justification for giving them the same reduction -- but would just be used to increase profits and dividends to wealthy investors. In fact, this scheme was tried once back in the 1970s during the Carter administration, and has been heavily researched, with economists finding no evidence that the payroll tax “holiday” led to any new jobs. The best characterization of this whole idea is not an old English word, but an old American one: cockamamie.

Clearly, on the evidence of these two measures working their way through Congress now, we have a federal government that has run amok, that is responding not to the people but to narrow corporate interests that seek to both impoverish the citizens and to prepare for greater levels of public unrest and rebellion by putting into place the tools of a police state.

Anyone who doubts this need only look at the coordinated attacks on the Occupy Movement, with SWAT-style paramilitary police sweeping through encampments in cities across the country, tearing down tents and brutally arresting the young activists bold enough to challenge the corporatist federal government’s policies and to frontally criticize the workings of America’s vaunted capitalist system.

The 2012 election is going to be a watershed, but it is not much of a choice on offer. We have two corporatist parties vying for the spoils of government, neither of which is remotely trying to resist the burgeoning power of the corporate oligarchy, and both of which are moving ahead to create a police state and to vitiate two key social programs.

Where to turn? Perhaps the candidacy of Rocky Anderson, the former mayor of Salt Lake City, who has announced the formation of a new Justice Party, and who has said he intends to run for president on its ticket. Anderson is quoted in Utah’s Deseret News as forthrightly saying that the American people “want to see an alternative party. They recognize that these two militarist, corporatist parties have brought us to this disastrous place to where we are today."

Source - http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/936


WANTED - A PACK OF WOLVES TO GO TO WASHINGTON

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[ZookieMonster]

On its way to being a police state?? Is he kidding me?? @4:30+ Mark of video.

I think Roberts is not being entirely genuine. The police state has been with us since the turn of the last century. It has merely become more overt in the last two decades.

That being said, has anybody noticed that Russia Today almost always features hot chicks with minimal interviewing skills conducting uncritical interviews? Why is that, one might ask? Well, for one, RT, like Al Jazeera ... is owned and operated by Big Money playing Big Buddy ... to Little Buddies everywhere who've been besieged with problems created by Big Money. Follow the money trail and you'll make the necessary connections.

Here's a salient point to consider. The Mastards who built up America as a war machine, now want to destroy America in advance of chaos and a New World Order. Like Hitler was built up and struck down when his part was over; like Saddam who was built up and struck down when his part was over; like Qaddafi, etc. ... now that America's usefulness has come to an end, the banksters are attempting to trash it in favor of a regional union subordinate to the NWO. What better method of destroying America than by announcing the rogue behavior of its government and its institutions? And what better way to discredit the government than by appointing rogue individuals to its helm (e.g. Obama, Rahm Emmanuel and the Zionist Occupying Forces, the Bushes, the Clintons, the SCOTUS, the Congresscritters, etc., ad nauseam)? And likewise, its many institutions and corporations (private and public)?

To wit, America is in the end cycle of its role. But while it is good to expose the war machine that America has become; it's even more important to recognize that the end cycle is being played out. Russia Today (and Roberts, here) are performing their parts in the role. Ron Paul is performing his part in the role. The only people not performing parts in a role ... are genuine truth seekers like those found in genuine alternative media. No role. Just truths. Of course, there is large overlap between the truthseekers and the good cop roleplayers ... but please understand that their place in the matrix is different from ours. Humble opinions all around.



ps: Of course, real revolution in mind and in body will only trigger when both starve ... the former for truths and the latter for foods.

ps2: And the good cops are still preferable to the bad cops when things come to shove ... because good cop morality is conditioned by good cop behavior (in exercising the role) ... and bad cop morality, likewise, is conditioned by bad cop behavior in role duty. So we should still support the good cops even as we are cautious in trusting them. For we may be able to turn them around.

[magamud]

Ya the "Media" is conveniently propping up the right Muppets to destroy the destined destruction to recycle this Regime Change. Most of these "chosen" spokesmen are either playing the parts or are indeed short sighted and will support more bloodshed in a Civil war to kill ourselves. The arse wipes in power have their plan to get us to kill ourselves, by propping up fundamentalism and radicalism. They are doing a good job...

[Chicodoodoo]

The Senate vote passing the National Defense Authorization Act was 93-7. By that vote, they conspire to effectively eliminate critical parts of the Constitution of the United States. Senators do not have the authority to change or override the Constitution. That means 93 members of the Senate are guilty of high treason, a crime punishable by death. In this case, the punishment certainly fits the crime.

Want to bet that they are never charged or punished?

The Supreme Court is charged with enforcing the constitutionality of laws passed by the legislature. It is their primary purpose. For decades now, the Court has drifted away from their primary purpose to the point that they do exactly the opposite. They too are guilty of high treason, a crime punishable by death.

Want to bet that they are never charged or punished?

The puppet President of the United States, an imposter that doesn't even meet the Constitutional requirements of this nation's highest office, may sign this illegal legislation into law. When he does, he will be violating his solemn oath of office, "to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." He will be guilty of high treason (as if he isn't already), a crime punishable by death.

Want to bet that he is never charged or punished?

This situation is beyond ludicrous. Do Americans have to storm Washington, drag these criminals into the street, and lynch them?

Well, do they??

Want to bet that Americans are spineless, empty-headed dung worms that couldn't care less?

By the way, I would take any of those bets, but my morals won't allow me to profit from the enslavement of others.

[magamud]

I can remember Obama who is an expert of Constitutional Law at Harvard starting this legislation of indefinite detention for enemy combatants IN FRONT OF THE CONSTITUTION!. Probably one of his mandates as a NWO puppet. Its a domino effect, the domino that is falling now is due to the domino that proceeded it and on and on and on. The Masons call it the Great Work.
The whole treasonous Branches of Government are in a Poker Game for the World and they are all in...

Oh here is the video
Rachel Maddow on Obama's Indefinite detention ideas 5-21-09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8J_lcHwkvc

What an utter FARCE! He suggests holding the previous Regime of crimes committed to gain legitimacy then Ups the Stakes of Big Brother. Talk about bait and switch lol...
President Obama's Speech: Transparency vs. National Security 05/21/09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZkVi3Skj3Q

Its fantastic to watch literally. The words have no integrity, just hollow jibber jabs of misdirection, to ensure the public feels sincerity, security and prosperity. I tip my hat to Obama, give the man an Oscar!

[magamud]

Once you can see the pattern through time the present becomes much clearer. When you attune your perspective, you can understand that their speeches are about their Eugenic Utopia...
More of those past dominoes....
President Reagan's Address to the Nation on National Security - 2/26/86 23:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBj3Wv3wsPw

President Jimmy Carter - 1979 State of the Union 5:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVXji...eature=related

Gerald Ford-State of the Union Address (January 12, 1977)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHKpFHuRwNQ

President Richard Nixon - State of the Union Address 5:38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QUG2EDgnls

President Lyndon Johnson - Second State of the Union 5:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMjnvlI2dLI

[Chicodoodoo]

Once you can see the pattern through time the present becomes much clearer.

I can hardly stand to watch this stuff. I lived through it, and it is now so evident that heaping helpings of deception and manipulation were being dished up to the American public, and we slurped it up like starving wretches and begged for more, completely unaware that we were being conned big-time.

Gawd is it bitter, like cod liver oil, but maybe if we take our medicine, we'll get healthy again.

[magamud]

Im in a state of Nauseam too. Animal farm indeed. I can hardly watch it either. Tragic....

Hopefully a strata of human kind can be born into this truth so they can fight the good fight. Unfortunately a tragedy for myself and so many, is we learn to accept the truth later in our age. What I could have done with this understanding in my youth...

C'est la vie

[Luke]

What is past, is past. All you can do is learn something out of it.

What really matters, is what happens next.

WE see, where it is going: total control. That is both evident in U.S. and in E.U.

Current "crisis" (creature completely manufactured by another creature , from Jekyll Island) will serve two purposes:

* eradication whatever material wealth was in hands of "proles" (ownership into "lease" systems, which is btw. just reincarnation of "hedging" scheme in pre-industrial britain)
* consolidation of corporate-government power into neo-feudal system (in a way similar to church-nobility cooperation in the wake of crusades)

For all practical reasons, they already attained both this goals.

The only thing that is left, is transition that need to be made in people's minds. From citizens into serfs.

Current barrage of legislation, that is aimed to provide as much scare ammo as possible to the government-corporate complex, serves this sole purpose.

It is all important, because whole system relies on beliefs people hold.

(1) They control whole thing by money, but money (in form of fiat paper) only exist because people believe it have value.
(2) They control situation by law, and law enforcement - again because people believe in legitimacy of the law, and thus legitimacy of those who enforce it.
(3) They control it via government agencies, including army - because people believe that those agencies do serve them, that people in them serve some "patriotic duty", as contrary to being simple thugs-for-hire.
(4) They control by making people fear, by making people believe, that there are organizations out there that only exist to destroy "their way of life" ... while in reality, all such organizations are manufactured by very organizations tasked with "protection" of said citizens
(5) and ultimately, they control, by making people believe, that without government-corporate complex, we would be unable to feed, clothe and heal ourselves, that we would be reduced to packs of wolves fighting with each other. (And they truly believe that, because this is what reptilian brain given to them dictates)

THIS WHOLE RACKET EXIST SOLELY BECAUSE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IN

The creatures manipulating this whole situation do know that our minds are malleable, if kept in that "reptilian phase" .. so they make everything to keep us deeply entranced, and thus susceptible to manipulation.
Without addressing this core, without building within yourself a immutable core of truth based on logic and observation of true laws governing this world ("laws of nature"), you will be susceptible to manipulation, and advancing their agenda thinking you are doing something "good". Need I say "OWS" "Tea Party" , to name most recent of feel-good "movements" that completely failed to address real issues, instead working to further advance Elite agenda? Why there is so much "feel good" stories about Elite having "their ass kicked" despite factual, observable evidence to the contrary? Why people cheer seeing velvet glove peeling off from steel gauntlet aimed at their face? Sheer idiocy or manipulation?

They know how to play us, we don't.

So either we start to educate ourselves about how stuff really works, starting with our very consciousness, or we would be simply duped every single time, just as it were for at least 5000 years (if not more).

What's done, done. What next: this is what matters.

[Dex]

The President can still veto this. Call the White House at 202-456-1111. We have nothing to lose by trying and everything to lose by not trying. If you are worried they will "put you on a list" for speaking up, you are probably already on that list anyway, so you might as well call.

[ZookieMonster]

[...]

They know how to play us, we don't.

So either we start to educate ourselves about how stuff really works, starting with our very consciousness, or we would be simply duped every single time, just as it were for at least 5000 years (if not more).
What's done, done. What next: this is what matters.

Hadn't had my morning coffee yet, but this post of yours reads like a dream. My thoughts exactly.

They experimented with the Rights of Man (not just the essays of Thomas Paine, but the collective works of many intelligent dependent and independent quills) ... but are now ready to see the pendulum swing back to eminent domain and the divine right of kings.

The only way to stop them now is to smash this gargoyle grandfather clock that keeps tally of the moments in human history ... and the best wrecking ball still remains the pursuit of truths, i.e. the complete exposition of the lies that were strung together to create official history. We can't educate them all but that shouldn't be our goal. Critical mass never triggers at total mass ... far from it. I've heard it said that less than 10% of the gun owners - coordinated - can take back America. So question begs ... how many pen owners does it require to do the same?

Remember, the pen is mightier than the sword. In humans, the mind - not the body - is the prime source of strength. In other animals, with a few exceptions here and there, the strength resides in body and instincts. We survived and became the dominant species with our minds; and we must appeal to this mind again if we are to become the dominant righteous species. But for that to happen, we must not erect structures that perch the few and church the many, e.g. the power pyramids. We must use our 21st century mind to design the 21st century human organizational structure; but first, we'll have to use this mind to eradicate the ancient organizational structure.

Eradication of the old structure(s) will come with education. I'm just not sure it will ever get here if the patterns of the past are repeated. To wit, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it ... but those who are conditioned by false history are doomed to repeat false history and feel righteous by it. Exposition of false history then is more than a matter of looking back in time ... it's a matter of dedication, discernment, and detoxification.



ps: In an apparent paradox of things, looking to the future begins by looking back into the past. We can prognosticate about the future, but not educate about it ... we can only do that about the past. And as you correctly say, Luke, we either start educating ourselves about how stuff has really worked in the past ... or we keep turning the cycle like a hamster in a wheel.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

we slurped it up like starving wretches and begged for more, completely unaware that we were being conned big-time.

I think that about sums up the situation Chico. (and it made me laugh)


Hurritt

[gratitudeandlove]

While The Public Sleeps, An Unprecedented Act of TREASON Occured in the U.S. Senate on Nov. 29, 2011

From Ken Adachi, Editor
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/S1867...n01dec11.shtml

I simply cannot believe what I've been reading and seeing on the internet yesterday and today. On Tuesday, November 29, 2011, an amendment (titled SA-1107), sponsored by Senator Udall, toThe National Defense Authorization Act ( S-1867), was voted down by 60 senators in the US Senate. The purpose of Udall's amendment was to change the wording in a section of S-1867 sponsored by John McCain and Carl Levin called Subtitle D of Title X, also called Detainee matters.

Udall's amendment would have removed the treasonous McCain/Levin abomination of Subtitle D and replace it with wording that would PROHIBIT the inclusion of American citizens - living on American soil - from being eligible for military abduction roundup lists. The 60 treasonous senators who voted "nay" on the Udall amendment on November 29, effectively killed the Constitution-protective amendment wording that Udall and his co-sponsors had crafted.

The current version of the bill will allow any suspicious person chosen by a secret panel authorized by the President, to be abducted by military personnel and taken to Guantanamo (or other offshore military installation) and "interrogated" and detained forever, if they so choose.

This is naked, dictatorial tyranny folks, and these 60 senators are commiting high treason by endorsing the McCain/levin version of Subtitle D instead of the Udall substitute amendment. By defeating Senator Udall's substitute SA-1107 amendment, the EXISTING wording of Subtitle D, Section 1031 of Title X of Senate Bill S-1867 (sponsored by NWO sellouts Sens. John McCain and Carl Levin) remains intact and part of S-1867.

If this bill becomes law, then ANY American citizen that the President's special committee decides is a "suspect" can be abducted from his home (in America) in the middle of the night by US military personnel and wisked off to Guantanamo and never to be heard from again--and it would all be 'authorized' and legal.

Even if Obama vetoes this bill, it only takes 2/3 (66 votes) of the Senate to OVERTURN Obama's veto and the bill beomces law. This is a very dangerous situation.

I can only hope that enough people will recognize the gravity of this treasonous legislation and start the ball rolling in the 30 states associated with these senators and start circulating petitions to either impeach or recall every single one of these 60 traitors. Nothing else will get their attention. They must be removed from office.

Ken Adachi


Passage of S.1867: Our enemy is within

http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/5001/
December 1, 2011
By Marti Oakley <ppj.gazette5@gmail.com>

The Senate voted to pass the anti-American Defense Authorization Act of 2011, S.1867. The vote was 61-37; 61 Senators who swore to defend and uphold the Constitution just flipped the bird at the entire country.

44 Republican Senators voted to keep the detainee provisions in the bill….these are those same Republicans who are going to save the country from Obama and the Democrats.

17 Democrats voted to keep the same provisions….These are the same Democrats who are going to save country from the Republicans and the neo-cons.

I can’t speak for anyone else other than myself here but, I am so sick of this traitorous bunch of political whores and jackasses, I can barely stand it. I cannot think of one rational, plausible reason as to why this bill included the so-called “right” to arbitrarily and summarily determine any one, anywhere in the world to be a threat/criminal, and to detain them indefintiely without any bona fide reason and based on nothing more than what might amount to a “belief” and to hold them indefinitely without charging them with any crime or producing any evidence that one had been committed and to do this to anyone the government decides to, even US citizens. Who are the real terrorists here? And why would codifying this into some horrendous law, make it any less repugnant or any more justifiable?

Its bad enough that we are unable to trust anything this bunch does, much less even one word of anything they say, but the fact is THEY know that WE know they are lying and betraying us at every opportunity, yet they continue to do so while simultaneously trying to convince us that one party or the other is the only party that will save us from fascism/socialism/communism…..whatever “ism” suits their current needs. The fact is, we need to save our selves from our own government.

I am so sick of being threatened with another 9/11 style attack if we don’t submit and comply with the assaults on our rights, and seeing that threat used to destroy our Constitution and to strike down our protections and ultimately, to destroy our country. We have spent billions upon billions of dollars on state of the art spying systems, and assorted military systems and weapons all of which appear to be directed inward at us. S.1867 makes it very apparent that we are the enemy as far as the central government is concerned.

I do not give a rats hind end if the bill laid out who got what power, authority or how much money for the coming year to keep the endless illegal wars going and to start new ones as others wind down. The fact that the bill contained these things does not negate the fact that it intentionally omitted Constitutional protections for US citizens; protections specifically put in place to keep our government from doing exactly this kind of thing to us.

Furthermore, it does not negate the fact that these detainee provisions are the same kinds of provisions that all dictatorial countries use to oppress and terrorize their own populations and any one else who doesn’t submit and comply.

Senator Levin, who was instrumental in crafting this assault on the people of the United States, was quoted in the New York Times as saying:

“We are at war with Al Qaeda, and people who are determined to be part of Al Qaeda should be treated as people who are at war with us,” Mr. Levin said in the debate leading up to the vote.

His remarks would have been far more honest if he had spoken the truth and his quote would have more accurately reflected who they view as the enemy of the state, if he had said something to this effect:

“We are at war with the Constitutional Republic, and people who are determined to be part of the Constitutional Republic should be treated as people who are at war with us”.

“Us” would be the government and those who slither in and out of the doors of government and who have access to those officials; those that view the general population as expendable, a nuisance and not worthy of living in freedom.

Yet these same purveyors of lies, corruption and political posturing will expect us, the same people they are determined to oppress, to pay the bills on all their anti-American, anti-humanity declarations.

We have become what we claimed to despise

Ever since the false flag attacks of 9/11, our own government has done to the country what no terrorist or terrorist organization could have accomplished. All of the attacks on our Constitutional protections and rights have been perpetrated not by some terrorist in a far away place, but by our own government. It is our own government that has enabled the 17 or more spy agencies in the US to unlawfully put the country under surveillance, to assemble dossiers on each and every one of us, to track us, film us, listen in on our conversations, read our email and snail mail,
to break into our homes performing illegal searches. It is our own government that has established Fusions centers for local spying, and turned various corporate federal agencies into immediate threats to the country. It is our own government that allows TSA to harass and molest us as we travel, that has turned our local law enforcement units into the menaces to their communities that many have become.

The idea that the US will pass some kind of law that could possibly prevent terrorists from acting out their plans is nothing less than ludicrous. Furthermore, we have had “laws” on the books for years prior to 9/11 that would have dealt with terrorists if we were able to catch them, but which did nothing to prevent the attacks. Get a clue here: Terrorists, by definition, do not give a damn what kind of laws are passed in this country or any other. That is part of what makes them terrorists.

Ten years after 9/11 and we are still sitting by idly as bill after bill, after bill comes out of this nest of pit vipers we call congress; bills that have destroyed who we are and what we stand for as a country. We have forfeited our rights, our protections, our privacy and security and ultimately our country to a government who spends more of its time trying to convince us that all their attacks on our Constitutional Republic are necessary, the only way they can keep us safe, than it does looking for actual terrorists.

We have become the thing we claimed we despised. All of the crimes we claim are being committed by other countries are crimes we are committing ourselves. We torture, kidnap, bomb, murder, intimidate, abuse and terrify all in the name of “national security”. We destabilize economies, deprive entire countries of food, medicines, even water for refusing to submit to what we want. We overthrow governments and assassinate their leaders and then install puppet governments to do our bidding.

I have to wonder if at some point if other countries will band together and declare the US a terrorist organization, guilty of crimes against humanity, war crimes, human rights violations and a threat to world peace. If this should ever happen, possibly Carl Levin and John McCain could stand up and wave a copy of S.1867 at them and make them run away.

[gratitudeandlove]

The Greatest Act of Legislative Treason: ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill Passes Senate 93-7

THINGS YOU CAN DO IMMEDIATELY

This bill completely violates the sixth amendment in that it allows American citizens to be locked up indefinitely, including in a foreign detention center, without any burden of proof whatsoever. An American merely has to be declared a terrorist and they can be abducted off the streets and never seen again.

Seven Patriots Remain

[Note from Ken Adachi: The seven Senators listed below are apparently the only reliable patriots remaining in the U.S. Senate who understand their oath of office to uphold the United States Constitution and protect the principles of liberties of American citizens that are enshrined within that constitution. It's a disappointment that this list does not include the name of Tom Udall, but political expediency apparently will win out over principle when it comes to the reality of political life and standing up for what you preach ~ regardless of the political cost. Perhaps thinking Americans who read these words will take the time to call or e-mail each of these seven patriots and tell them just how much you appreciate their loyalty to the Constitution and to the American people. Readers should understand that this bill has not yet become law.

The House version of this bill was passed on May 26 , 2011 with a roll call vote of 322 in favor and 96 opposed

Currently, the House is working on smoothing out the differences between the Senate version and the House version, H-1540. After the differences are smoothed out, the bill will go to the Usurper for his signature. It's been rumored that the Usurper won't sign the bill with the 'Indefinite detention' amendment intact, but that's merely specualtion and not a hard fact. Also, an Obama veto could be overturned with enough votes in the Senate and the House.

We are living in perilous times indeed.

Coburn, Tom - (R - OK) Class III
172 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5754
Web Form: http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...?p=ContactForm

Harkin, Tom - (D - IA) Class II
731 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3254
Web Form: http://www.harkin.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Lee, Mike - (R - UT) Class III
316 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5444
Web Form: http://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

Merkley, Jeff - (D - OR) Class II
313 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3753
Web Form: http://www.merkley.senate.gov/contact/

Paul, Rand - (R - KY) Class III
208 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4343
Web Form: http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=contact

Sanders, Bernard - (I - VT) Class I
332 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5141
Web Form: http://sanders.senate.gov/contact/

Wyden, Ron - (D - OR) Class III
223 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5244
Web Form: http://www.wyden.senate.gov/contact/

Rats Thrive in a Polluted Environment

The two King Rats who oversaw and sponsored the passage of this traitor's version of S-1867 are Senators John McCain and Carl Leven. They can be reached at:

McCain, John - (R - AZ) Class III
241 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2235
Web Form: http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/...ct.ContactForm

Levin, Carl - (D - MI) Class II
269 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6221
Web Form: http://levin.senate.gov/contact/

Contact information for the remaining 91 senatorial rats can be accessed at this link:

Senators contact list: http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

The complete Senate roll vall vote (Vote 218) for S-1867, the most treasonous act ever approved by the US Senate in the history of this nation.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00218



U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 1867 As Amended )
Vote Number: 218 Vote Date: December 1, 2011, 08:02 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 1867 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 )
Measure Title: An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2012 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 93
NAYs 7
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Ayotte (R-NH), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Yea
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Yea
Boozman (R-AR), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brown (R-MA), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Heller (R-NV), Yea
Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Manchin (D-WV), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Paul (R-KY), Nay
Portman (R-OH), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Toomey (R-PA), Yea
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---93
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (R-IL)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Rubio (R-FL)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)
NAYs ---7
Coburn (R-OK)
Harkin (D-IA)
Lee (R-UT)
Merkley (D-OR)
Paul (R-KY)
Sanders (I-VT)
Wyden (D-OR)
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Grouped by Home State
Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Arkansas: Boozman (R-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Yea Coons (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Nelson (D-FL), Yea Rubio (R-FL), Yea
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Kirk (R-IL), Yea
Indiana: Coats (R-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Kansas: Moran (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky: McConnell (R-KY), Yea Paul (R-KY), Nay
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts: Brown (R-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Missouri: Blunt (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Heller (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea
New Hampshire: Ayotte (R-NH), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea
New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Portman (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Nay Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Toomey (R-PA), Yea
Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Hatch (R-UT), Yea Lee (R-UT), Nay
Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia: Manchin (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Wisconsin: Johnson (R-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


GET YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY PEOPLE YOU KNOW IN THE ARMY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND ACT UPON IT.

OTHER THAN DOING THIS THE ONLY OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO IS PRAY. THE POWER OF PRAY CAN BE POWERFUL.

[Dex]

Just came across this online petition: Impeach Every Senator Who Votes for "U.S. is a Battlefield" Bill that Violates Basic Rights

I have not investigated the source, so I can't really comment on it. My thinking is that it is worth a shot to sign it and that to take this abomination silently dehumanizes us.

Added: The President can still veto this. Call the White House at 202-456-1111.

[Chicodoodoo]

Added: The President can still veto this. Call the White House at 202-456-1111.

Our only hope lies in a two-faced, puppet President controlled by the same hidden sociopaths that orchestrated this legislation?!

Why am I not feeling optimistic?

[Dreamwalker]

a NWO will create NEW WORLD FREEDOM FIGHTER.

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ARE YOU READY.
AS THEY SAY IN THE MOVIE.

CAAAN YOUUUU DIGGGG ITTTT.....

[gratitudeandlove]

Using the opposition to get your way

A TACTIC USED BY THE ELITES - Pressure from above, pressure from below

Here - now you have it in a nutshell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYs91TGXpg4

---------- Post added at 21:54 ---------- Previous post was at 21:51 ----------

Wake up and smell the evil

David Icke explanation how wars are created. It explains the concept of Problem reaction solution also known as Thesis, synthesis, antithesis developed by philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel. This concept has been used in many wars including WWII. Hitler also used this phenomenon to control the minds of the Germans.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1SRq...eature=related


Mind blowing speech by Robert Welch in 1958 predicting Insiders plans to destroy America

Proof that the NEW WORLD ORDER has been planned by the elite. Robert Welch, Founder of The John Birch Society, predicted today's problems with uncanny accuracy back in 1958 and prescribed solutions in 1974 that are very similar to Ron Paul's positions today. This is proof that there are plans in place by the elite to systemically disassemble US sovereignty. I wonder who those elite are.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c...eature=related

[VajraYaya]

The U.S. Government has had the ability to arrest and hold indefinitely for some time.

Back in about 2003, I met some people in Colorado who told me the story of a friend of theirs. They knew a man who was an Irish immigrant, now American citizen, who they had been playing poker with weekly for years. They met him through their business. Not long after the Patriot Act was passed, the FBI showed up at his door and told him, not ask, but told him that he was going to go back to Ireland and infiltrate the IRA for them. Now this guy had never had any kind of involvement with that organization or any like it. He told them as much and that he wouldn't know how, would likely be killed in this process and that he wouldn't be doing so. They took him from his house then and there and told him they would hold him in prison until he agreed. At the time I met these people they had been trying to get this guy out for two years and had an organized campaign to to this. Calls to senators, governors were ignored. They said a big problem that their campaign was having was that people didn't believe them. They didn't believe that their government did this kind of thing so it was very hard for them to get traction. They know where he is, Family can visit him but he has never been allowed a lawyer, has never been charged with anything and has never appeared before a judge.

The last I heard, about two years later, they were still working on getting him out.

[Dex]

The U.S. Government has had the ability to arrest and hold indefinitely for some time.

Back in about 2003, I met some people in Colorado who told me the story of a friend of theirs. They knew a man who was an Irish immigrant, now American citizen, who they had been playing poker with weekly for years. They met him through their business. Not long after the Patriot Act was passed, the FBI showed up at his door and told him, not ask, but told him that he was going to go back to Ireland and infiltrate the IRA for them. Now this guy had never had any kind of involvement with that organization or any like it. He told them as much and that he wouldn't know how, would likely be killed in this process and that he wouldn't be doing so. They took him from his house then and there and told him they would hold him in prison until he agreed. At the time I met these people they had been trying to get this guy out for two years and had an organized campaign to to this. Calls to senators, governors were ignored. They said a big problem that their campaign was having was that people didn't believe them. They didn't believe that their government did this kind of thing so it was very hard for them to get traction. They know where he is, Family can visit him but he has never been allowed a lawyer, has never been charged with anything and has never appeared before a judge.

The last I heard, about two years later, they were still working on getting him out.

Thanks for sharing this. If the group working on his case has something online about how to take action, please consider posting it.