Has the good ship Nexus become an unwitting Galactic Federation Lightship?

[ZookieMonster]

I seriously pose this question because the New Year finds Nexus inundated with material that has been debunked by any standard of reason.

To those who insist on perpetuating the GLF new age carousel (which has no particular place to go except round and round and round), I implore thee to abandon the carousel here on Nexus. Please contribute other facets of yourself here. Surely, you have an existence beyond GLF. Please grant us the wisdom of that existence and experience.

Perhaps you can save the GLF stuff for other websites that welcome this stuff or haven't debunked it yet. I'm sure there are many forums that cater to love and light energy and you can have a positive experience there without disrupting said forums.

Here at Nexus, however, we have navigated from March of last year to this New Year largely based on truths, debunkings, and critical analysis. Having said that, we also have subforums for members interested exclusively in spiritual awakening ... and this includes love_N_light stuff that has not been debunked. You may avail yourself to those resources. I think Nexus will do well by 2012 if we stay the course that got us here, e.g. reason.

Humble opinions all around.



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[Richard]

Not on my watch!

[flower]

IMO...

its not about the material , it's about us.

all of us.

always has been.

GFL is just another... mecanism that manipulates us

If love is the message, then there is no fear and there is connection...to all.

If manipulation is the message, then tactics are used and gatherings are the targets.

Thank you to all of you who keep this island afloat

[Auriel]

I seriously pose this question because the New Year finds Nexus inundated with material that has been debunked by any standard of reason.

Perhaps you can save the GLF stuff for other websites that welcome this stuff or haven't debunked it yet.

Here at Nexus, however, we have navigated from March of last year to this New Year largely based on truths, debunkings, and critical analysis.

While I absolutely agree with your opinion on th GFL, wouldn't this be censorship? Would it be right to pick and choose only subjects which are in line with your personal belief system?

Sounds a bit like Avalon, "this is Bill's house," etc.... Just my opinion but shouldnt, truths, debunking and critical analysis be applied to all information available and again, while I agree with you about "channeled" information, it is information none the less, if it dosn't stand then it will be ignored and disappear into the vault of Nexus. But going on the recent posts, it would seem people still want to discuss it, let the members decide.

[Charles]

2012 is going to bring manipulations and many salespersons to be sure. At Nexus there are razor sharp eyes and unfettered minds that can spot these faces in a crowd of a thousand people. In turning back the clock a year one can see the reason why, there were many sales going on at the time. And at that time we were all on the killing floor until it was time to rise above it and see things from a better vantage point. The armor we grew over the past year prevents Nexus from being manipulated or converted into anything other than what it is, and what it will naturally become over time. I see no dangers ahead for Nexus, although they may try. I wish them luck in their excersise in futility.

[Charles]

While I absolutely agree with your opinion on th GFL, wouldn't this be censorship? Would it be right to pick and choose only subjects which are in line with your personal belief system?

Sounds a bit like Avalon, "this is Bill's house," etc.... Just my opinion but shouldnt, truths, debunking and critical analysis be applied to all information available and again, while I agree with you about "channeled" information, it is information none the less, if it dosn't stand then it will be ignored and disappear into the vault of Nexus. But going on the recent posts, it would seem people still want to discuss it, let the members decide.

There is no censorship here, and this is everyones house. People should be prepared to provide answers to hard questions, pretty straight forward and simple. Choose to disagree with respect, and those providing the information need to have thicker skin. One cant drop information bombs and then run from it.

[Richard]

wouldn't this be censorship

Would we welcome Christians to come here and post long posts/threads of religious doctrines, bible quotes etc? Would it be a welcome addition to have orthodox Jews come here go on and on about being the chosen ones. I feel religion has had it's day don't you? Religion has brought us to the brink of extinction and caused more death and suffering than it has prevented.

The new-age GFL priests and priestesses are promoting the same thing to a new breed of followers.
A one world religion to re-capture the millions who have left the church in disillusionment.

One Religion to rule them all, One Religion to find them,
One Religion to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

[Dorok]

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." ~ Sun Tzu

[Richard]

Quote below Copied from the Death of the GFL thread as I think its relevant here too.
We will not allow religious zealots to infiltrate and dilute the truth that this community strives to uncover or to gloss over the exposure of lies with personal accusations. No one here is attacking any one individual we just counter the organised attacks on truth and integrity as that is the Nexus way. As long as I am a member here I promise to maintain the same vigilance I always have when confronted with obvious lies and deception.

Thanks Atticus, you allowed me to sharpen my claws and hone my skills quite well, cheers!

So essentially what we have here is the Galactic Federation of Scientology and Latter day Saints. Both religions that were fabricated from the minds of psychopaths have created a new one for the new millennium as it became rather obvious the old ones have lost their drawing power. And they are assimilating the masses of good people that have awoken and are looking for something new to believe in. Same ❤❤❤❤, different channel. Much like the line in my signature, Awakened only to be lulled back to sleep in a different room with a more fluffy pillow.

[norman]

But seriously folks, you've got to look at the bigger picture. Cover all the angles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rxe9Ayb8c

[reaver]

Let them try.

Look, GFL material is not the only thing which will visit the forum this year... a bullsh!t storm is coming on all levels, so I'd say keep vigilant.
Just know that those who have something to share whether it be truths or BS are going to be challenged, I don't care if you are an old cripple or someone who's considered a genius in the best physical shape possible, hiding behind political correctness won't do it.

[ZookieMonster]

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." ~ Sun Tzu

One of my favorite quotes, Doks!

Of course, his lesser known cousin Sun Zook once might have possibly said and I quote: "Keep your porcupines at a healthy distance unless you have acupuncture malpractice insurance."



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I guess the elephant in the room is this: is debunked information entitled to the same protections of speech as information that is neither bunked or debunked?

[Charles]

Let them try.

Look, GFL material is not the only thing which will visit the forum this year... a bullsh!t storm is coming on all levels, so I'd say keep vigilant.
Just know that those who have something to share whether it be truths or BS are going to be challenged, I don't care if you are an old cripple or someone who's considered a genius in the best physical shape possible, hiding behind PC won't do it.

Exactly correct, 2011 was only an appetizer of what is to come in 2012 from all directions. The world is stretched tight like a piano wire in all areas and in many individuals. When things are running at high tension and highly explosive it is wise to stay vigilant.

[ZookieMonster]

While I absolutely agree with your opinion on th GFL, wouldn't this be censorship? Would it be right to pick and choose only subjects which are in line with your personal belief system?

Censorship? Is denying repetition of debunked material censorship? I suppose it could be construed as such. But could it not also be construed as a plumbing action to keep the informational pipes from clogging up with pseudo-informative gunk? If so, which construing is more beneficial to Nexus, at least less detrimental? Which construing is consistent with an eternal vigilance to protect speech and truths alike ... and which protects speech but destroys truth? This is a truthseeking forum, is it not?

Sounds a bit like Avalon, "this is Bill's house," etc.... Just my opinion but shouldnt, truths, debunking and critical analysis be applied to all information available and again, while I agree with you about "channeled" information, it is information none the less, if it dosn't stand then it will be ignored and disappear into the vault of Nexus. But going on the recent posts, it would seem people still want to discuss it, let the members decide.

Yes, the protocols of the truthseeker should be universally applied across all information. But once debunked, what's the next step? Should debunked information be allowed to clog up the informational flowpipes ... or is it time for custodial duties to process them and move into debunked folder (which should be read-only if not already)?

Btw, I think the members are deciding. And that's the way it should be ... maybe this one requires a poll. Is Chico around? He designs the most efficient polls.

[flower]

I guess the elephant in the room is this: is debunked information entitled to the same protections of speech as information that is neither bunked or debunked?

This is a very important question IMO...

What say you nexus?

[Charles]

Debunked information should have its rightful place in its proper place where newcomers may read it and make up their own mind. A "dont take my word for it" approach. Look at the research and info and make up your own mind.

[Chicodoodoo]

is debunked information entitled to the same protections of speech as information that is neither bunked or debunked?

Or further simplified (for easier consumption), should lies be censored?

I would answer NO. They should, instead, be exposed for the imposters of truth that they are. That is where we benefit directly. We learn critical thinking skills, we sharpen our discernment, and we strengthen our perspective. And we teach others to correct their errors by having done so (and continuing to do so) ourselves.

It is tempting to answer YES when we live in an age of deception where propaganda floods our minds relentlessly. But propaganda is a clever mix of truth, lies, and missing information. If you censor propaganda, you censor some truth, and you lose the realization that critical information is being deliberately withheld from you. You essentially censor your own right to know that you have been censored. And that guarantees your ignorance.

The way I see it, we have no choice if we wish to escape the ignorance that is being imposed upon us by the propaganda machine. We simply cannot afford to censor. Instead, we must learn about truth, lies, and missing information.

[reaver]

There are very fine lines in all of this. At what point would you be censoring material/people? at what point would you lose truth? at what point would you be allowing fanaticism run rampant on the forum?. My guess is that mistakes are going to be made along the way, some days vigilance may be mistaken and crucify truth, other days vigilance will fail and will allow a cancer invade the forum, thinking that you were allowing fruitful informational debate.

There could be many mistakes, yes... but I'd say it would also be a learning process.

[magamud]

Or further simplified (for easier consumption), should lies be censored?

I would answer NO. They should, instead, be exposed for the imposters of truth that they are. That is where we benefit directly. We learn critical thinking skills, we sharpen our discernment, and we strengthen our perspective. And we teach others to correct their errors by having done so (and continuing to do so) ourselves.

It is tempting to answer YES when we live in an age of deception where propaganda floods our minds relentlessly. But propaganda is a clever mix of truth, lies, and missing information. If you censor propaganda, you censor some truth, and you lose the realization that critical information is being deliberately withheld from you. You essentially censor your own right to know that you have been censored. And that guarantees your ignorance.

The way I see it, we have no choice if we wish to escape the ignorance that is being imposed upon us by the propaganda machine. We simply cannot afford to censor. Instead, we must learn about truth, lies, and missing information.

Fu ckin A!

[VajraYaya]

This is an excellent thread. You can tell by the existence of discussions like this that this is a very healthy forum. That's why I'm here.

But this does raise a lot of questions. This reminds me somewhat of the previous discussions of the Ryan/Avalon threads and whether they should be closed etc. But it proved that the threads eventually run their course and members eventually move on, leaving behind a database of valuable info for the public to learn about the situation over there. However I think we do have to manage people and topics that have the potential to do damage to this place. Maybe it may involve censorship to a point. Here are some ideas I have.

GFL stuff is crap and we know it. But one of Darla's threads has generated some really interesting and IMO valuable discussion. At some point that discussion will have run it's course and that thread will die. So in this case her posting what she did was valuable. However, if she or others of her ilk use their memberships to come here and dump and run 5 times a day. I think those threads should be contained in a non-public area of the forum [to eliminate any motivation said posters may have in spreading the 'word' widely] and kept open for one week in case members here want to continue debunking discussions. If we've just had enough of it all and we ignore them they remain hidden from public view and are closed. [The posters don't get the energy they are so desperately seeking.] If critical discussion that is of value erupts, then the thread can be moved to a public place. If it gets to a point where she does this for too long, say a period of two weeks, her account should then be moderated so that she can only post once or twice a day automatically, or allowed to post to existing threads if she is willing to discuss either another topic or something that she posted. In other words, dump and runs should be contained and limited but participation in discussion encouraged. If all a person does is dump and run and refuse to discuss anything say after a period of a month, then their account should be closed. At some point this content changes from information and discussion opportunity to spam, and we always ban spammers. What is spam but unwanted, massively crossposted or distributed information. Or maybe their account stays open and their dump and runs get deleted, but they are able to stay and discuss other topics. Or they may just get pissed off, learn their lesson, stop posting that stuff here, go elsewhere and still have an open account here if they so chose to come back and play nice.

All of this could make for more work for mod staff though.

Also we really need to protect this board from the infiltration that I have spoken about before. The kind that eventually destroys places like this. If more people show up and start new age spamming or If members sign up solely for the purpose of fawning over and supporting said spammers [people like Darla who continually post what they do] without bringing any meaningful discussion or intelligence to other topics or parts of the forum, this needs to be stopped. Then we become a new age forum whose credibility suffers. Nexus needs to be a place that is a difficult or at least challenging place for people like this to be. This is when the solution becomes censorship of both people and their information. What if we don't have hard and fast rules about censorship. If a problem needs to be solved we get rid of it, but maybe not apply the same solution every time. What if we just deal with each problem as it arises, sometimes using banning or censorship, sometimes not.

I do think though that Nexus needs to be welcoming ground for discussing other spiritual topics or topics that indicate wider realities. That list that Twincans posted the other day had some interesting topics listed that would make for interesting discussions. I have to admit that so many of the seeming rational/left brained topics here do get a little old and dry after a while. There are people who have had genuine high level experiences that include things like kinds of astral travel with higher beings. Not all of that is immediately suspect. I have heard many stories like that from many credible people over the years. For example, a guy like David Sereda I find to be quite interesting and insightful. Some of his stuff is a little silly and smacks of a little too much self importance, but at the same time, quite good.

That's my two bucks worth for the moment.

[Real Intent]

Who decides if something has been debunked? Maybe that's where the polls should go....

Then, if the membership majority has decided it's debunked, It should go into the debunked folder. I can't decide if it should be read only... If a new member comes along and has something to say on the subject, they would be forced to start a new thread to regurgitate the same info or add new insight and then a new poll would have to be posted to see if that new info is also debunked... Maybe it's easier to keep the communication open but within the debunk section.

[VajraYaya]

Who decides if something has been debunked?

We do when we just ignore the topic because we're sick of talking about it.

I don't know if polls are always a good idea, especially if they go on for too long. Sometimes the mods just need to be allowed to do their jobs. If we feel they've made a mistake then we can complain about it. I trust all the mods here. They are all really smart and sensitive people not childish morons like at another place I can think of. If they make a mistake, I know they are all capable of examining what they do and admitting to mistakes and correcting them if needed. Did we really need to wait 48 hours for a poll to run it's course before banning Sign00? I would have stood by Richard if he eliminated him right away.

[Real Intent]

Did we really need to wait 48 hours for a poll to run it's course before banning Sign00? I would have stood by Richard if he eliminated him right away.

In this case, yes I think the moderators need to be allowed to uphold forum rules and ban sockpuppets, and trolls. The poll wasn't necessary. But as far as determining the value of someone's words... I think this is a more delicate situation. I think value should be determined by attention yes, but every topic, especially the ones that are disagreed with strongly, are given attention. There's nothing wrong with that. I just think we need some tool to fairly sort information into the debunk category.

[Gardener]

On the SOTT forum they have a special section called 'Baked Noodles'
When a subject/person/troll is pretty much debunked/outed the thread is moved to the Baked Noodles. There all such threads are together but all available still.

[ZookieMonster]

On the SOTT forum they have a special section called 'Baked Noodles'
When a subject/person/troll is pretty much debunked/outed the thread is moved to the Baked Noodles. There all such threads are together but all available still.

Not a bad idea ... maybe we can call ours Boiled Apple Strudel?