Has the good ship Nexus become an unwitting Galactic Federation Lightship?

[Auriel]

Ok, should talk about the 911 inside job etc have the same fate since it was "debunked" by the BBC in a documentory?

[ZookieMonster]

Fair enough, good folks.

There appears no great appetite for a moderating method more extreme than debunking the GLF material. So let us debunk away and see where it takes us. Hopefully members will get tired of the material sooner than later.

Mayan calendar (hoax or not) is probably a deadline for some monumental changes planned for 2012. This is a leap year, so there are 366 days in total ... 363 days left on the chronometer ... and 353 days before the apocalyptic destruction of the Mayan clockworks.

Let's squeeze as much juice as we can outta le grand orange that's before us ... and not squirt each other in the eyes with the rinds. It's hard enough seeing things as they are with our eyes wide open.

[Krystic]

what makes you think the GFL is debunked...there are many channels claiming to be "clear channels" for this group..the 3d mind cannot debunk this group as when what they say doesn't come to pass they can just say we switched timelines or there were unknown influences that changed things etc,etc..if you want to debunk the "GFL" you need to start with debunking the channels for this group and their motives and track record etc...and then another channel pops up for the "GFL" group...this just illustrates how inadequate the rational linear mind is for debunking such things as the GFL etc...the ONLY way you can TRULY KNOW that that group is a negative group is through your INNER AWARENESS..your HIGHER SENSES..cellular KNOWING...and that can only happen individually for each of us..you can't KNOW these things through others telling you..you KNOW through your God connection

so it is not at all "humble" to say that you have debunked the GFL..because you HAVE NOT..the mind and rational linear thinking is once again inadequate for such things..as it is FOR ALL the core important issues.This is a multidimensional game and the mind just runs around in circles with this stuff...your intuition and inner SPIRIT KNOWS what's what ....the mind can only point you in the direction of the part of you that KNOWS the truth in such matters

[ZookieMonster]

Ok, should talk about the 911 inside job etc have the same fate since it was "debunked" by the BBC in a documentory?

9/11/2001 was debunked in the disfavor of the BBC ... which is implicated in the cover-up. The truth need not fear any action against it.

Debunking requires the standard of facts and rational analysis ... not a broadcast desk, a microphone and a manicured parrot.

To wit, don't confuse the science of debunking which has an objective standard of proof to meet ... with the subjective pseudoscience and high wire act that is available for all of us to perform and lose footing.



ps: GLF has met the objective standard of science and has been debunked. The rest of GLF is an appeal to faith, which is neither here nor there.

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what makes you think the GFL is debunked...there are many channels claiming to be "clear channels" for this group..the 3d mind cannot debunk this group as when what they say doesn't come to pass they can just say we switched timelines or there were unknown influences that changed things etc,etc..if you want to debunk the "GFL" you need to start with debunking the channels for this group and their motives and track record etc...and then another channel pops up for the "GFL" group...this just illustrates how inadequate the rational linear mind is for debunking such things as the GFL etc...the ONLY way you can TRULY KNOW that that group is a negative group is through your INNER AWARENESS..your HIGHER SENSES..cellular KNOWING...and that can only happen individually for each of us..you can't KNOW these things through others telling you..you KNOW through your God connection

so it is not at all "humble" to say that you have debunked the GFL..because you HAVE NOT..the mind and rational linear thinking is once again inadequate for such things..as it is FOR ALL the core important issues.This is a multidimensional game and the mind just runs around in circles with this stuff...your intuition and inner SPIRIT KNOWS what's what ....the mind can only point you in the direction of the part of you that KNOWS the truth in such matters

GLF <----------- all that remains for this group ... is blind faith.

When this happens, Mystic ... the objective standard of science has been satisfied. Blind faith is a threshold that science cannot cross, for once it does, it is no longer science.

[Krystic]

yeah science is still at such a primitive level that relying on that to debunk things like the GFL or most spiritual issues is ridiculous...the objective standard of science has not been satisfied Zook..if it has please explain where and why..seems to me all the arguments are subjective.

It is incredibly naive to believe that rational thinking and science can expalin or debunk the most improtant spiritual issues effecting things here

[Northern Boy]

It is incredibly naive to believe that rational thinking and science can expalin or debunk the most improtant spiritual issues effecting things here

Dear Dear rick did we hit a nerve you have been asked many times by me to explain your self righteous point of view and have always refused to do so i would ask again but you would only ignore me again so I`ll serenade you with a tune from your fav musical groups

[Auriel]

Debunking requires the standard of facts and rational analysis ... not a broadcast desk, a microphone and a manicured parrot.

To wit, don't confuse the science of debunking which has an objective standard of proof to meet ... with the subjective pseudoscience and high wire act that is available for all of us to perform and lose footing.

All I'm saying is you cant have it both ways. The truth movement etc have presented their evidense, thier opposition theirs, both have merit. WHich one you choose depends on your belief system/your intuition.

How has the GFL been "debunked?" Because of a lack of physical evidense?
If everything discussed here relies on physical evidense then you might as well shut it down since most information is the result of one, sometimes more than one, persons testimony.

[lightblue]

it is fair to say science can only address that which can be measured, repeated under the controlled conditions...

science cannot relate to spiritual issues.. l

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[ZookieMonster]

yeah science is still at such a primitive level that relying on that to debunk things like the GFL or most spiritual issues is ridiculous...the objective standard of science has not been satisfied Zook..if it has please explain where and why..seems to me all the arguments are subjective.
It is incredibly naive to believe that rational thinking and science can expalin or debunk the most improtant spiritual issues effecting things here

I'm not disavowing the spiritual realm, Krystic. I believe in reincarnation and the psychic realm. My mom has always interacted with this realm and I know she is sincere when she describes her experiences to me.

I'm disavowing GFL because it has been outed as a hoax. Please read some of the recent threads on GFL. We have good posters here who have posted their research; and the research reveals to any scientific and discerning mind that GFL is a scam. Mind you, there's nothing anyone can do about blind faith, e.g. neither prove nor disprove. But ongoing blind faith after the exposition of fraud is a delusional exercise and has no sanctuary in any meaningful existence.

Please don't confuse the Galactic Federation of Light with the psychic realm. The latter is neither proven nor disproved by objective standards of analysis. The former is disproved and lingering like a bad hangover.

[Richard]

Not a bad idea ... maybe we can call ours Boiled Apple Strudel?

I propose, Fried Nuts

[ZookieMonster]

All I'm saying is you cant have it both ways. The truth movement etc have presented their evidense, thier opposition theirs, both have merit. WHich one you choose depends on your belief system/your intuition.

No. Both don't have merit. One is disproved by the objective evidence and is being promoted by the fox that guards the hen house, after dining in it. 9/11/2001 was an Inside Job, an outside Job, and an alphabet soup boil with at least four intelligence groups implicated (e.g. CIA, Mossad, MI5/6, Pakistan's ISI). Elemental physics and the controlled demolition of Building Seven is just the tip of the iceberg of evidence.

Prevarication on this point - in 2012 - will do great damage to your credibility, Auriel. So for your sake, investigate it thoroughly until your conditioned reluctance to objectively see the evidence is broken down.

How has the GFL been "debunked?" Because of a lack of physical evidense?
If everything discussed here relies on physical evidense then you might as well shut it down since most information is the result of one, sometimes more than one, persons testimony.

Objective standards. If you can prove the fraud with objective evidence, then you've earned the right to punt it.

To wit, GFL has been discredited for its actions in the physical realm; not its actions in the psychic realm.



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it is fair to say science can only address that which can be measured, repeated under the controlled conditions...

science cannot relate to spiritual issues.. l

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True enough. And GFL has been taken down in the scientific realm, not in the spiritual realm.

[noxon]

!?!

Is it a bird
is it a plane
is a ship
is it an island
is it a landrover
is it a road
is it a house

- what is it , the nexus forum ?
(in the metaphor analogy sense)

what is the basic flair and atmosphere
here ? What can it be .

There are a lot of alternative forums, good,
- so many its about time it comes an alternative ...

In times of , hopefully, continuous "awakening"
(have started to dislike that word)
there are need for many different alternative forums ,
all with their natural crowd and climate .

I hope this forum stays open and generaly visible
and everything within resonable standards gets
posted . And discussed and expanded upon
or observed or ignored , over time

I think we are going places here
so maybe nexus is a vehicle

Basicly , It is all very simple :

when right is wrong.jpg
- So it is .
Follow the signs .

I think nexus works well , I like it,
and the last month has manifested
or shown, a good forum spirit , start
knowing itself , for nexus is still a work in
progress , it seems , quite naturaly ,
and later events have helpt in clarifying
some things of style and standard.
Form and fundation ....
At least for me , so thank you all.

It is not exacly a church , but there is a
couple of gargoiles put in , for ... (u know)

- And it is a good point to ask
when is a topic or subject , and affiliated subsubjects ,
when are they properly and eternaly "debunked",
( another uncomfortable word )

-and by whom ? and what standards etc.

Defined as a personal fantasy, maybe .
Our fantasies are important , but they can not
necesseraly function as guidlines, or lights,
in the common reality outside of you.
- it may only work for yourself .

That is ok by me .
If it also works for all .


- keep it real

..
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nm

[Fred Steeves]

Well, try this take on for size. My hometown Dunedin, which is listed below my name, is roughly a 45 minute walk to the Fort Harrison Hotel in downtown Clearwater, the worldwide spiritual mecca of Scientology. Having grown up here and seen Scientology put its cancerous tentacles in and through all facets of society locally, I grew to despise them, especially after educating myself about them several years ago...I viewed them as stupid cattle...Sound familiar?

About a year ago, a husband and wife bought the house next door, and it was obvious right away they were likely high level Scientologists, as when the husband was showing me through the house when they moved in, I saw a graduation plaque sticking out of a box congratulating his wife on becoming a Scientology minister. O.K. me thinks then, I've got YOUR number, and when I mentioned it to him, he became aloof. I surmised he was shy about it from his reaction, maybe trying to hide something, and it was never mentioned again. This also made me distrustful, and aloof myself.

Last night he happened to be over for a beer, which turned into three, and it was uncomfortable at first. Well guess what we found out when my wife up and asked him about his Scientology connections? They're both SP's! And he was a high level one at that, having once upon a time been in David Miscavige's inner circle for some time. Sea Org, the whole nine yards. Turns out they had both been declared SP's just around the time we met them, so that explained a lot of him being shy about me noticing his wife's diploma.

You know what? We wound up talking to them for a good couple of hours, and it was the most fascinating conversation I've had in some time. Yes they were hoodwinked, like most of us in our own way, but they eventually saw through the bulls**t and went their own merry way, losing family and friend contacts in the process.

I was also dumbfounded that the husband especially, never batted an eye upon gradually disappearing down the rabbit holes of conversation usually reserved for places like Nexus or Avalon. No dummies these people, they would do most well on forums such as these. They took with them the knowledge Scientology has to offer, and left the control crap in the dust. I'm so happy for them, and also proud. This is not an easy thing.

I guess what I'm trying to get at here is, would we have ever managed to discover who these people really are if we would have just gruffly challenged and dismissed them from the get go, because their path in this life has been declared "debunked"? Me no think so.

Divide and conquer may be an old one trick pony, but it still works, and very well. IMHO, until we learn to finally set aside our petty differences and prejudices, and lock arms in our commonality of the pursuit of freedom which binds us together, we may as well be building sand castles on the beach.

Cheers,
Fred

[lightblue]

zook:True enough. And GFL has been taken down in the scientific realm, not in the spiritual realm.

science is not exactly famous for being ethical..in fact i think gfl is run scientifically by some group/s...it's a very elaborate deception - i'd say a form of violence, possibly in the service of nwo l

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[reaver]

I propose, Fried Nuts

Broken Dreams... or... Glorified Bullsh!t?

[sandy]

How about cooked porcupine balls!!

[Chicodoodoo]

In this case, yes I think the moderators need to be allowed to uphold forum rules and ban sockpuppets, and trolls. The poll wasn't necessary.

Maybe not necessary, but nevertheless useful. The poll did a number of things:

1. It put the banning decision into the hands of the membership, demonstrating that this is our forum.
2. It clearly showed sign00 that his behavior was not welcome here (91% consensus, well over the 80% high-consensus threshold).
3. It gave the perpetrators the same rights and voice as any other Nexus member (the principal of equality).
4. It nipped in the bud any counterclaims about being unjustifiably censored.
5. It showed we are patient and level-headed.

In retrospect, I agree 48 hours was too long in this case. 12 or 24 hours would have been adequate. The votes did come in pretty quickly. I guess that means we should add this to the list:

6. At Nexus, we live and learn, and we are not afraid to try new things or break tradition.

[VajraYaya]

I propose, Fried Nuts

Haha

Seconded!

[VajraYaya]

they had both been declared SP's

Sp's??? What is this, SP's?

[Amerillo]

Or BS hidden in plain sight...

Merry christmas everybody

[Chicodoodoo]

the mind and rational linear thinking is once again inadequate for such things..as it is FOR ALL the core important issues.

I think the gentleman doth protest too much.

yeah science is still at such a primitive level that relying on that to debunk things like the GFL or most spiritual issues is ridiculous.

I suspect that like me, you have no clue of the level science has attained, as it is heavily classified and a closely guarded secret, much to our detriment. Though we don't have access to the latest scientific knowledge, we do have access to the scientific method, which is not at all primitive. Relying on logic, reason, experiment, reproducibility, and peer review is easily sufficient to debunk many parts of the GFL story, enough to call the whole thing into question. If the evidence takes us there, we shouldn't dismiss it.

And the beauty is that all this can be done without: INNER AWARENESS..your HIGHER SENSES..cellular KNOWING...God connection...your intuition and inner SPIRIT. Imagine that!

[Northern Boy]

I guess what I'm trying to get at here is, would we have ever managed to discover who these people really are if we would have just gruffly challenged and dismissed them from the get go, because their path in this life has been declared "debunked"? Me no think so.

Do you get to know some one who may post certain things about spirituality and then ignore any questions you may have asked ? Nope They are allowed to post they haven`t been hung for doing so. But to post then ignore direct questions tells me a couple of things one being they can`t answer the questions being posed to them or refuse to because they view the one asking as not worthy of a response. OR two they are not sure they believe it entirely on their own and are hoping what they are reading is factual because i challenge any one who is A GLF believer to tell me why our free will was never considered before any so called agreements with control systems currently in place were allowed to be continued with out asking any of us first


And Rick to me believing in the GFL is no different then Believing in the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus there is no proof either of them exist yet at one time we believed in them too

[knapsack]

...
Also we really need to protect this board from the infiltration that I have spoken about before. The kind that eventually destroys places like this. If more people show up and start new age spamming or If members sign up solely for the purpose of fawning over and supporting said spammers [people like Darla who continually post what they do] without bringing any meaningful discussion or intelligence to other topics or parts of the forum, this needs to be stopped. Then we become a new age forum whose credibility suffers. Nexus needs to be a place that is a difficult or at least challenging place for people like this to be. This is when the solution becomes censorship of both people and their information. What if we don't have hard and fast rules about censorship. If a problem needs to be solved we get rid of it, but maybe not apply the same solution every time. What if we just deal with each problem as it arises, sometimes using banning or censorship, sometimes not.

....

The dump-and-runners typically respond to challenges backchannel in the form of complaints, intimidation, harassment. It is not in their best interests to respond directly in one of their threads unless they know they have gained favor with enough members who support the message, therefore maintaining control of it.

The reason for this (well, one of them) is because these postings almost always contain links to external sites (i.e. sources, videos, images). By putting this external content in there, the activity can be monitored via their server logs (or stats package). It also factors somewhat in how those sites are treated by search engines. For example, if I put a small image in this post that was hosted by my web server, I can look at my logs and see how many people had read the thread; I would have IPs, user-agent strings, etc.

By doing this, the response can be monitored and a decision would be made (by semi-automated methods) whether or not a given response is positive or negative. If you want to see an example of a tool that is able to do this, here is one I have used personally (for other things, not this): http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/ml/weka/

.Then the next series of postings will attempt to use the previous data to generate a message that would be viewed more favorably. Many sites that get these postings will delete them. This works in the favor of the messenger because they'd rather have an unfavorable response deleted so it doesn't show up in search engines. So no response is a good response, deletion is also a good response, and obviously, a supporting response is also good. But when postings get challenged, this is not the kind of thing that they want to have in the search engines, so they stop posting.

I should mention, what I'm talking about is not exclusive to GFL or spiritual postings, but to others such as the youtube fearporn vendors that cut each other's throats to be the first to post something.

[VajraYaya]

Then the next series of postings will attempt to use the previous data to generate a message that would be viewed more favorably. Many sites that get these postings will delete them. This works in the favor of the messenger because they'd rather have an unfavorable response deleted so it doesn't show up in search engines. So no response is a good response, deletion is also a good response, and obviously, a supporting response is also good. But when postings get challenged, this is not the kind of thing that they want to have in the search engines, so they stop posting.

Excellent info Knap.. Thanks. This is valuable stuff. So, given my earlier response, it would seem that the right thing to do in alomst every case is to post at least one challenging or negative response to each thread like this started. Especially if it contains a linked image somewhere in it.

For example, if I put a small image in this post that was hosted by my web server, I can look at my logs and see how many people had read the thread; I would have IPs, user-agent strings, etc.

Yup.. Just looked at a bunch of Darla's posts on AV3. Most of her GFL and like posts all have an image that is hosted on another server at the beginning of the message. [But none of the messages she posted here have images.] She is obviously posting the image as a link rather then the image itself, which means to me that she is willingly carrying out such an op. Do you think that could be the case Knapsack?

If so then maybe she is not as naive as she seems.

[Heretic]

I am torn

on one hand I think the members should be free to post what they want...it is their board, and they choose the content

on the other hand there are organized groups out there which target boards and infiltrate and take over with organized tactics and sometimes boards get overrun and taken over

I am not saying that GFL is such a organization but I am speaking in terms of numbers and influence groups have and they certainly qualify in potential

so even with freedom of speech and all that, there are lines, like not going in a crowded movie house and yelling fire...that is not a responsible use of such a freedom and can get you in trouble despite such rights which protect it

so some here want to draw lines which lean towards "censorship", as some claim, and exclusion of certain ideologies. So I am watching, reading, listening and I understand that the level of responsibility in what the content of Nexus going to be is being dissected and examined and unlike some places...is being discussed openly and hashed out in public with all having a say in defining what the results will be

Were I on the GFL bandwagon, or any other bandwagon for that matter I would not expect Nexus to be my one stop shop for all that is and have my self spread out on other forums with other like minded folks discussing such things not embraced here, so what ever the result of all this discussion is, wouldn't make much of a difference to me other than where I posted material I wished to discuss.