call for development of peer-to-peer alternative news distribution app

[VajraYaya]

This was on Natural News today. I thought it was an interesting idea. Any thoughts rom those in the know?

http://www.naturalnews.com/035082_pe...echnology.html

The challenge will be to keep covert black-hat NSA, millitary, CIA paid developers away from this.

(NaturalNews) This is an open letter to the community of programmers, white-hat hackers and all those who wish to be part of an information revolution that may play a significant role in the future of freedom and liberty.

As you well know, the internet is under attack. The corrupt, criminal governments and corporations of the world are trying to "cleanse" the internet and remove all truthful information from it. Websites that question the government's official position on 9/11, fluoride, aspartame, the War on Drugs or the false War on Terror are being targeted for removal. With legislative assaults like SOPA, PIPA and ACTA, the days of true freedom of speech on the internet appear be numbered. Content censorship by Google, Twitter and Facebook is no longer conjecture; it is policy.

As a former software developer myself, I recognize the urgent need for what I am calling a Peer-to-peer news distribution technology that relies on no central server and could redistribute news (text, audio and video) in a similar fashion to today's bittorrents.

The truth-telling news industry ("alternative" news) needs a technology that will bypass search engine censorship and which cannot be taken down with an attack on a single server or point or origin. There are tens of millions of internet users who, right now, would be thrilled to serve as peers of this system, redistributing news from confirmed "freedom" sources that are reporting real news that the world's corrupt corporations and criminal governments don't want people to read.

NaturalNews wishes to locate a small team of dedicated, liberty-loving, free-speech supporting developers who can create a peer-to-peer news distribution application that will allow freedom-loving end users to read and distribute news and information that may soon be censored off the 'net. This application will obviously need to be cross-platform, and it will need to use advanced port-hopping technologies to avoid being easily blocked.

If the system works well in our testing, I will personally pitch it to Alex Jones at InfoWars, where I believe this system could see tremendous success as a breakthrough technology to distribute information and reach more users. I cannot speak for Alex, however, so it remains his decision on whether InfoWars would wish to use such technology. But if he did, the combination of NaturalNews and InfoWars using this technology to distribute liberty-oriented news and information would be enormous. It could thrust this application into one of the most popular new technologies used around the globe for people to stay informed about what's really happening in the world, despite what the lying hoax media reports on a day-to-day basis.

The system will allow top-level authorized news sources to interject news items into the system from any peer. That news item then gets replicated across all the participating peers. The content distributed through this system obviously cannot be censored by search engines, governments or social networks. Anyone who is running the news torrent app will be able to both SEE the incoming news and FEED that news to other peers that are requesting it.

The system will be used to issue daily news updates on topics like the global debt collapse, censorship of truthful speech, nuclear reactor leaks, FEMA camp activations, poisons in the food and water, deadly GMOs, government lies, media lies, election lies and anything else that is important for people to know to help restore a free society.

The peer-to-peer network will even distribute installation files across the network, so that end users can install the apps without going to a central server. Any person can simply give any other person a small install file that they executive to run the app. New updates to the installation code can be introduced at any peer point by the developer, obviously with special authentication processes.

If you or your team is interested in developing this freedom-promoting technology, please contact me at p2p@naturalnews.com

As a working code name, I am calling this the "Paul Revere project" until a more appropriate name comes along.

Thank you for your consideration.

Freedom will never be honored if we surrender to the technologies of the global elite. Only a game-changing technology can shatter the corporate and government censorship that currently enslaves the human race. Information wants to be free. So do the People.

For the record

As the editor of NaturalNews, I have covered toxic GMOs, the perverted groping of the TSA, government lies about the War on Terror, the death agenda of Bill Gates and his depopulation goals, toxic poisons in the food supply and much more.

On the positive side, I have promoted natural cures, nutritional therapies, permaculture, vermiculture, organic gardening, non-hybrid seeds, natural medicine and environmental stewardship. I'm the recipient of a Human Rights Award for investigative journalism, and I'm a regular fill-in host for Alex Jones at InfoWars.com

I believe in ending all patents, period. Intellectual property claims have been used by powerful corporations to enslave the masses. The patents on genes, seeds, animals, plants and medicines have done nothing but enrich the corrupt corporate elite at the expense of the People. I believe in restoring the Bill of Rights, and especially the full strength of the First Amendment. I believe in information revolutions that tear down false histories (the Ministry of Truth, 1984, etc.) and restore public access to truthful, accurate information about reality.

Our world is run by (corporate and government) criminals, and those criminals control all the primary information systems around the globe. It is time that we stopped playing on their field and instead created our own news and information distribution technology that needs no approval from the status quo.

If you wish to be part of this mission, and you have significant experience in P2P technologies, please contact me at p2p@naturalnews.com and we can chat more.

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[Richard]

VERY cool, thanks for posting this vaj, I like the concept a LOT

Naturalnews.com is one of the sites a I frequent almost daily, it's a great site.
I'm surprised I missed that one particularly since we have their feed on our front page. which I also check daily.

[VajraYaya]

Yeah, Richard.. Natural News is a favorite of mine too. I get the daily news digest via email. It is consistently a source of very good information.

I think the development of something like this, in open source fashion is a fantastic idea. I think it could be extended to almost any kind of information community. I'm interested to see what some of the guys here think, including you..

[norman]

I've thought for a long time that it would be really nice to have an app' that friends can install on their machines that does what the P2P stuff does but does it privately without creating a public torrent file that anyone and everyone can activate.

Surely it's a simple ask. Just something that accesses a friends computer and trickle feeds files to your own, and vice versa, without having to use third party server services.

Am I missing the point, or what?

[Anchor]

Sounds like a great idea, but I think there are some scalability issues regarding storage.

Once mature, the news/data base could grow rather large. Especially if it has video.

However, i see the idea of protecting core information (news and other kinds - such as collected in forums) worth doing, and a peer to peer, redundant system has to be the way to go.

[InCiDeR]

Great post VajraYaya. Very interesting concept that "Paul Revere project", I do hope he will succeed!

Hmmmm.... I might send him a mail... nah, I promised myself to stay out of this area...or!

Sounds like a great idea, but I think there are some scalability issues regarding storage.

Once mature, the news/data base could grow rather large. Especially if it has video.

However, i see the idea of protecting core information (news and other kinds - such as collected in forums) worth doing, and a peer to peer, redundant system has to be the way to go.

I understand your point Anchor. But if you use modern cloud technique and new variants of bittorrents (DHT, PEX and magnet links) you do not really need any central server... all are servers and no one!

I talked a bit about those techniques here:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...ll=1#post65649

[Luke]

Seems that thought is going around lately.

Trouble with any app is the security of given node.OS, other apps, Hardware and user.

P2P networks do not need central hubs to distribute the content, but they need central hubs to put people with content in touch.(yes, even DHT and the like need a way to get the IP of the actual data, there is no anonymity, only plausible denial of the owners of the sharing platform) Those hubs are prime targets, moreso, they can hold data about connections they allowed - so you do not necessarily want to close them down, as they can gather much useful data if tapped. If you are using any P2P protocols, say torrent, notice that you know about all users that participate in your "share".. and anyone can pose as user and log this data. Even if you screen the users, they still can have accounts hacked, or made cooperate. Even if you encrypt the data, the users need to have keys, and users can be easily compromised.

And there is still problem of hardware part of network, especially ISP's that are easily made to cooperate.

For all practical reasons, only thing you can avoid via going p2p is DNS-cut and seizure of server along with data.


As for other things, c'mon, you are already tagged as potential threat. Only question is what is your priority on nacht&nebel list.

Seeing from that point-of-view, such p2p network would be great tool to control all individuals involved.

No silver bullets at that point.

[Nazirite]

This really needs looking into and this is what I said on Inciders thread:

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showt...tay-in-contact!


I am ignorant of the how to with P2P communication - Ive never used it (as far as I know) and understand very little about it.

However, from the little I do know, I don't think it will be a solution if the governments start restricting or controlling the net. We need to start thinking right outside the box (net) if we want to ensure communication freedom in the future.

Cloud computing? The biggest intelligence gathering operation in history. Beware.

BTW Thanks for the insight Incider

ps Maybe the computer experts on Nexus should start a working group to look at solutions to looming internet restrictions.

[alienHunter]

Hi Richard,

I'm a software developer that was displaced by the retirement of the shuttle and the general breakdown of the manned spaceflight industry. I've started working in the newer software paradigms primarily the Microsoft world and I'd like any opportunity to do volunteer development work at home. I'm not bidding for a role as a moderator so perish that thought. But if you have any needs for this site that I could help with let me know. (I can add it to my resume...without blindly announcing the nature of its content).

VERY cool, thanks for posting this vaj, I like the concept a LOT

Naturalnews.com is one of the sites a I frequent almost daily, it's a great site.
I'm surprised I missed that one particularly since we have their feed on our front page. which I also check daily.

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Hi Norman,

One of my brothers and I have decided to start a software development company and I've been looking for a good niche in the market. Perhaps this is it. Any forthcoming information would be interesting.

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Hi InciDeR,

I guess all the security requirements are in place and mature regarding cloud technology?

[VajraYaya]

Cloud computing? The biggest intelligence gathering operation in history. Beware.

Totally!! I just find it so funny how so easily people buy into the idea of letting some big nasty/Nazi corporate entity like Microsoft or Apple to keep their data "safe" for them. The whole cloud idea and how it is sold smells so much like a huge data mining operation and data control. I imagine them one day deciding not to let you access your data because they, or the govt, or someone has a problem with it. It's also a good was to centrally destroy data too when TPTB decide to pull the trigger on that. Also they try to sell it using the convenience angle. "Use our office app online, let us keep your documents, you will have them available wherever you go". I have a big hard drive in my laptop, why do I need them to do anything for me. I first heard the concept of the cloud uttered by Bill Gates and was immediately suspicious. So whatever Gates and Apple suggest, I run away from.

[alienHunter]

Hi VajraYaya,

I most of the time am unconcerned about privacy...let 'em try to come get me. I've faced down private swat teams before...(sinsister laugh here). I won't go gently into...well you know how it goes.

I do find it puzzling that more people aren't screaming about 'cloud technology', though.

[Nazirite]

Totally!! I just find it so funny how so easily people buy into the idea of letting some big nasty/Nazi corporate entity like Microsoft or Apple to keep their data "safe" for them. The whole cloud idea and how it is sold smells so much like a huge data mining operation and data control. I imagine them one day deciding not to let you access your data because they, or the govt, or someone has a problem with it. It's also a good was to centrally destroy data too when TPTB decide to pull the trigger on that. Also they try to sell it using the convenience angle. "Use our office app online, let us keep your documents, you will have them available wherever you go". I have a big hard drive in my laptop, why do I need them to do anything for me. I first heard the concept of the cloud uttered by Bill Gates and was immediately suspicious. So whatever Gates and Apple suggest, I run away from.

Vaj says it all in this response.

I really believe we should be trying to get our collective heads together on this subject.

Because unless we try to develop a proactive stance on this - we will be consumed and ultimately cut off from each other in this method of communication.

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I do find it puzzling that more people aren't screaming about 'cloud technology', though.

It surprises me also - in fact I sometimes wonder if Im going a little crazy.

Cloud tech, to me, shouts loud and clear that this is a control mechanism.......and I'm a skeptic.

[Zebowho]

Cloud technology actually came from Grid networks, something that was invented at CERN back in the 90's. While Grids are totally different in their implimentation, the concept is similar, Amazon employs both in their EC2 offerings. I work with cloud tech every day and to be honest I'm not as suspicious as some here but there are some major downfalls if one is totally relying on cloud servers to store their data. Big mistake in my opinion, unless one uses clouds to "replicate" their data accross several devices (laptops, tablets, phones etc).

On that note, I'd suggest possibly combining P2P with grids. While P2P relies on "servers" to connect clients to then get their files, with grid networks any computer can be a "managing" computer and then query the "network" for resources available to assemble "clients" to perform work, although this isn't dynamic (manager/client roles) and needs to be identified when the grid is installed. The dynamic part of grid networks is that when a computer is being used it isn't available to share resources (CPU cycles, RAM, and hard drive space) but idle computers will make these resources available to perform work, thus creating a bigger "super" computer if you will.

Maybe taking the best of both P2P (file sharing) and combining that with grid tech that can dynamically "learn" about the flux or change in the network topology (nodes and/or computers available at the time of discovery), then use a type of distributed raid to store seperate parts of a file whether its text, photo, video etc, on each system connected to that network. It would be a good idea to build in a little redundancy so if one system with a specific part of a file is off line then there will be other systems that can supply that part of the file.

With a system like this I can see a couple of benefits, no single failure point, data replicated through out and thus always available, because the "network" is always changing depending on who's online at any given monent, mapping it would be difficult or dare I say near impossible.

I hope this makes sense, they are just rough ideas! But this idea is interesting and much needed IMO.

-z

[VajraYaya]

Cloud technology actually came from Grid networks, something that was invented at CERN back in the 90's. While Grids are totally different in their implimentation, the concept is similar, Amazon employs both in their EC2 offerings. I work with cloud tech every day and to be honest I'm not as suspicious as some here but there are some major downfalls if one is totally relying on cloud servers to store their data. Big mistake in my opinion, unless one uses clouds to "replicate" their data accross several devices (laptops, tablets, phones etc).

Hey Zebo..

Sounds like you have something to offer the cause. Why not email Mike at the above address and find out more about the project.

[Zebowho]

Hey Zebo..

Sounds like you have something to offer the cause. Why not email Mike at the above address and find out more about the project.

Hey Vaj, I am starting to dig around there. Even if just ideas, this is important enough which is why I wanted to add to the conversation here...at least for a start ! Thanks.

[InCiDeR]

P2P networks do not need central hubs to distribute the content, but they need central hubs to put people with content in touch.(yes, even DHT and the like need a way to get the IP of the actual data, there is no anonymity, only plausible denial of the owners of the sharing platform)

Yes, the central hubs have to be there. My answer to Anchor was just concerning the ”space” problem. Anonymity is an illusion they in power want us to believe.

Those hubs are prime targets, moreso, they can hold data about connections they allowed - so you do not necessarily want to close them down, as they can gather much useful data if tapped.

They do tap them. I've been witnessing this with my own eyes. In Sweden they nowdays listen to every packet of traffic which is passing the borders.

The FRA law (FRA-lagen in Swedish) is a Swedish legislative package that authorizes the swedish state to warrantlessly wiretap all telephone and Internet traffic that crosses Sweden's borders. It was passed by the Parliament of Sweden on June 18, 2008, by a vote of 143 to 138 (with one delegate abstaining and 67 delegates not present) and took effect on January 1, 2009.(…)

It was introduced as anti-terrorism legislation, and gives the government agency Swedish National Defence Radio Establishment (FRA, Swedish F?rsvarets radioanstalt) the right to conduct signals intelligence on - to intercept - all internet exchange points that exchange traffic that crosses Swedish borders, though experts argue that it is impossible to differentiate between international traffic and traffic between Swedes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRA_law

And I do believe Sweden is not alone:

(…)The National Security Agency (NSA), with cooperation from AT&T has used Deep Packet Inspection technology to make internet traffic surveillance, sorting and forwarding more intelligent. The DPI is used to find which packets are carrying e-mail or a Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone call. Traffic associated with AT&T’s Common Backbone was "split" between two fibers, dividing the signal so that 50 percent of the signal strength went to each output fiber. One of the output fibers was diverted to a secure room; the other carried communications on to AT&T’s switching equipment.

The secure room contained Narus traffic analyzers and logic servers; Narus states that such devices are capable of real-time data collection (recording data for consideration) and capture at 10 gigabits per second. Certain traffic was selected and sent over a dedicated line to a "central location" for analysis. According to Marcus’s affidavit, the diverted traffic "represented all, or substantially all, of AT&T’s peering traffic in the San Francisco Bay area," and thus, "the designers of the ... configuration made no attempt, in terms of location or position of the fiber split, to exclude data sources comprised primarily of domestic data."

Narus's Semantic Traffic Analyzer software which runs on IBM or Dell Linux servers, using DPI technology, sorts through IP traffic at 10Gbit/s to pick out specific messages based on a targeted e-mail address, IP address or, in the case of VoIP, phone number. President George W. Bush and Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales have asserted that they believe the president has the authority to order secret intercepts of telephone and e-mail exchanges between people inside the United States and their contacts abroad without obtaining a FISA warrant.(…)

The Defense Information Systems Agency has developed a sensor platform that uses Deep Packet Inspection

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Deep Packet Inspection (and filtering) enables advanced network management, user service, and security functions as well as internet data mining, eavesdropping, and censorship. Although DPI technology has been used for Internet management for many years, some advocates of net neutrality fear that the technology can be used anticompetitively or to reduce the openness of the Internet.

DPI is currently being used by the enterprise, service providers and governments in a wide range of applications.(…)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection

If you are using any P2P protocols, say torrent, notice that you know about all users that participate in your "share" and anyone can pose as user and log this data. Even if you screen the users, they still can have accounts hacked, or made cooperate. Even if you encrypt the data, the users need to have keys, and users can be easily compromised.

Also very true. Every end-user have to be highly skilled to minimize this issue, then you also have to trust them and also be skilled enough yourself to recognize if the end-user might been compromised.

And there is still problem of hardware part of network, especially ISP's that are easily made to cooperate.

Very true. In my point of view this is the biggest issue. It is not possible to bypass ISP’s if you not start your own ISP and build your own Network worldwide.

It is like driving a car, you have to use the roads to go from A to B. To avoid most traffic and eyes you can choose to go by small roads in a complex pattern, but you still have to use the roads. If you try penetrate the forrest and find your own road, you will eventually come to an obstacle… and you will for certain draw attention to yourself trying.

For all practical reasons, only thing you can avoid via going p2p is DNS-cut and seizure of server along with data.

Yep, but that is better than nothing though!

Seeing from that point-of-view, such p2p network would be great tool to control all individuals involved.

In my view, the core of this sentence is essential. Janos pointed out similar in another thread, and I agree with him. If you encrypt your messages, use proxy, share things by P2P and try to hide yourself in any possible manner… then you will become a target for those who want to keep the cattle in the pasture, controllable. They will probably just observe though, because if they gathering too many into the fold, others will understand they are under surveillance.

Therefore based on my own experience and understanding. The best way to hide, if you are an ordinary internet user, is to do nothing. Walk in the open field, in front of their eyes, be like anyone else in the big crowd called internet... then you might even become anonymous. (pun intended)

Of course you could use tools to block web trackers, encrypt messages, bypass DNS and so on… which will hide you for 99% of internet users…but do not think for a second that you can hide yourself from the PTW/PTB, vice versa, you will draw their attention.

(…)Hi InCiDeR,
I guess all the security requirements are in place and mature regarding cloud technology?

No, not at all. The sheepherder definately want the internet users to start using more and more cloud technique. If you have a herd you want them to walk into same pen, won’t you! Then they will announce a security declaration telling people how safe it is… and it will be, towards 99% of the internet users… they will just forget to tell, it is not safe against them.

(…)I just find it so funny how so easily people buy into the idea of letting some big nasty/Nazi corporate entity like Microsoft or Apple to keep their data "safe" for them. (…)

Totally agree!!!

(…)Maybe taking the best of both P2P (file sharing) and combining that with grid tech that can dynamically "learn" about the flux or change in the network topology (nodes and/or computers available at the time of discovery)(…)

That is exactly my idea as well Zebowho, that is why I posted that thread ”Online security, P2P and how to stay in contact”. This will of course only work for bypassing new regulations and restrictions they decide to put up on the table. I have no illusion the powers can not stop, block and tap into any new invention anyway... whenever, wherever and however they choose.

We are just guests in their house, having our own room and sometimes we meet each other in the living room. But they built the house, and they have surveillance in every corner to cover it all… and they can lock the door and unplug the electricity whenever they like.

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So, what are my conlusions?

In my point of view it is two layers:

1. You want to stay clear from 99% of the ”ordinary” internet users. Well, in that case it is possible and the different tools, techniques and methods mentioned here and in other threads on NeXus will provide you with enough security!

2. You want to stay clear and hide your privacy also from the last 1%. That is not possible. You do not know what application that has a deliberate backdoor, you do not know what nod (if not every) they tap into, you do not know the flaws of every software…and the more you try to hide, the more they know you’re there.

And don’t forget about ECHELON and ROOTKITS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon..._intelligence)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit


I do understand and honor Paul Revere’s intention though and I so much wish it was possible to fool the masters of internet… but I don’t. If they succeed, it is because the powers allow them to succeed… and in so doing, watch every step they take!!!

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Sometimes I think the whole security thing is just fear mongering.
It will draw our attention to areas we can’t really do anything about anyway.
It will provide us with a false impression of safety.
Meanwhile the powers will go on with their plan.
So, why fight a war we can’t win?

Nothing is private on the internet. Never was, never will.

Face it
Live with it
Let it go


Better unplug every now and then
Walk in the nature
Watch a butterfly fly hither and thither
Go to the place where they can not touch you

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