The Wetiko

[Going by]

There is a talk on Wettico, in the American Indian tradition (Paul L?vy interviewed on Red Ice Radio), maybe also called archons in the Gnostic tradition, is a kind of virus that would have overtaken our ego to feed from our energy, etc. Very interesting talk in fact. (seen on Ponda's thread on Avalon)

But what I found most interesting is starting at minute 28, where they explain that the person under the full spell of wettico will generate a morphic field that will end up protecting the Wettico by having people protecting the Wettico spelled person. This would explain why we protect and let the psychopath do all the damage they do on one hand.

On the other hand, I have been wondering for a few days how come we had that thread on Brodbracker (BB) a few days ago and we had some people seemingly kind o him, even if I did see him as fully contaminated, meaning psychopath. And why I was saying to look away, more at what we wanted, than at him, because of the danger such people represent. Well we were maybe all of us wrong.

this talk explains it extremely well. We will end up protecting the ones taken over by the Wettico if we are not fully conscious of the Wettico's presence, which will make us have projection of the mind, and reaction to that projection as if it were objective reality when in fact it is a dream (we are far off), and the sickness goes on.
Very interesting. I do not want to launch the BB discussion again, but I wish we could discuss about archons, Witticos, and their potential impact on all of us in our EVERY DAY ACTIONS AND THINKING/REACTIONS.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-120308.php

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• The Wetiko

[Going by]

this is somewhat related to the prsychopath thread as well as the zombie thread or again the dark side thread

[reaver]

This is Paul Levy's website: http://www.awakeninthedream.com/

He had articles on the Wetiko there, but he took them down once he released his book. I'll see if I can get them on another website.

You'd think guys like this would have a broader exposure, but that's not the case apparently.

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I found those articles: http://the11thwave.wordpress.com/201...manity-part-i/

[dim]

As far as i understand he is simply talking about the pain body in Eckhart Tolle terms or The Serpent in religious terms or the Archons in Gnostic terms etc

[Anno]

Just finished listening. As Dim suggests, it seems like all these people are discussing the same thing but using diferent frameworks. Reptilian, Archon, Psychopath Wentiko/Windigo. I like how he says near the end of the interview that when we come together like on this forum, we create a field that protects us from these elements and helps us on our path. Perhaps therein lies the reason as to why there is such an effort to fragment forums and other groups and also why we tend to attract people that like to propogate fear or polute us.

Definitely some truth resonating there. Thanks for the thread Going By. I've also picked up a copy of the original book from 1978 that lead this guy to the Wentiko knowledge. Looking forward to reading the Native American perspective on all of this.

[Nazirite]

I'm Currently reading the Nag Hammadi scriptures (Codex') and the Archons feature heavily in some texts.

When I have read some more maybe I can offer an opinion, At the moment, I'm an ignoramus - but a fascinating subject nevertheless.

My Brain hurts......

[lightblue]

I'm Currently reading the Nag Hammadi scriptures (Codex') and the Archons feature heavily in some texts.

When I have read some more maybe I can offer an opinion, At the moment, I'm an ignoramus - but a fascinating subject nevertheless.

My Brain hurts......

once you are done, maybe try reading 'pistis sophia' our own keith (lightpotential) is on about...serious content. in keeping with this...lightpotential started some good threads a while back, but they didn't generate much interest here on nexus....shame.. .. still, maybe look him up... l

[Nazirite]

once you are done, maybe try reading 'pistis sophia' our own keith (lightpotential) is on about...serious content. in keeping with this...lightpotential started some good threads a while back, but they didn't generate much interest here on nexus....shame.. .. still, maybe look him up... l

I will LB - When it is quiet I try to catch up on posts - from before I was a member and the downloads.....they keep me busy for hours.

The Nag Hammadi Scriptures (by Marvin Meyer et al) is on top of my book pile at eh moment and a coupla hours these nights is my milk and cookies so to speak.

[lightblue]

I will LB - When it is quiet I try to catch up on posts - from before I was a member and the downloads.....they keep me busy for hours.

The Nag Hammadi Scriptures (by Marvin Meyer et al) is on top of my book pile at eh moment and a coupla hours these nights is my milk and cookies so to speak.

i found it a pain to read, but keith has given it quite a lot of time and effort - good enough to offer competent help with interpretation .. l

[Nazirite]

i found it a pain to read,

No harm in trying different translations or interpretations LB - have you tried Sacred Texts? ( http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ps/ps003.htm ) I find it is a good place to get a general foundation on many (related) subjects (especially when only English,original, texts exist) and then use it as a springboard to further academic documents or texts and papers.

[Luke]

Just finished listening. As Dim suggests, it seems like all these people are discussing the same thing but using diferent frameworks. Reptilian, Archon, Psychopath Wentiko/Windigo. I like how he says near the end of the interview that when we come together like on this forum, we create a field that protects us from these elements and helps us on our path. Perhaps therein lies the reason as to why there is such an effort to fragment forums and other groups and also why we tend to attract people that like to propogate fear or polute us.

Yes. And I'd like to point that this is but one of "universal themes" of non-imperial cultures. Great tree, wanderers turned into stars and "broken mill" are others.

The lines are bit blurry to me, but the image I am getting is event that broke "celestial tree", which changed face of the earth both in physical and spiritual/energetic sense.

Our system got disconnected from "celestial network".

Now, imagine what it would be, for a person that tied all his life: skills, entertainment, socializing- with internet (another network). Imagine then this access got shut down, invalidating everything this person built life upon.

Now, if I am getting things right, this happened to whole earth-civilization. Some got cut off -"become stars". Rest got stuck here - without access to whatever technology they got. Do I need to spell "civilization-wide PTSD" ?

"Wetiko" is as universall as great tree narrative. I think those are tied. Trauma of the event made it hard for all those stranded here to accept the reality- so they started to make make-believe "solutions". Rinse repeat for few thousands years, incarnation after incarnation. Even "Ammit mechanism", that clears temporal memory, will not help with dealing with trauma, that is not rooted in individual body, but expressed as civilization.

And being stuck here does not help. For all I see- we are out from our element, in much solid/frozen world that we are used to be.

No wonder this place looks like mental asylum.

Real question is: what do we do?

You can gather all narratives, and understand underlying mechanisms of insanity, but that is a start. You are still deeply embedded in interaction network that is insane to boot, and there is no place to run-away: killer drone can reach every corner of the earth.

Waiting out is not an option, because empires crumble, but they are rebuilt soon enough - because while material edifice crumbles, the blueprint is in psyche, and in truly insane manner, people will make some mistakes that lead us to current state of the world - because this is their reflex- and they will beat to bloody pulp anybody that will get in their way.

Even we, here , that at least know that there is mental virus around, are not free of it. You cannot be, as long as you operate in environment that is soaked in it.

Bummer, no?

Still the first rule of navigation is to get know where you are. Then, you need to know where you want yourself (and your environment) to be. Then, find a route.

Those things will not happen magickaly. You will not wake up in the "better world" with great tree rising in the north (or south for those "down under"). Even is (somehow) Earth system will get reconnected, we do not have the capacity to use it without abuse - we would still carry the virus in our psyche, project it around as we go.

This might be the origin of "quarantine stories".

My point is, in order to get anywhere, the disease need to be purged. And that means both people, and civilization they make. Financial system, government, armies, nukes, killer drones- all those sick mind projections that are there to keep you submissive and obedient, wide open for the virus.

We need to invlalidate all that, and they will not just vanish without putting up a fight. The very nature of the virus dictates the scorched earth scenario: they would rather torch the place down than release the grip.

To say situation is grim does not really say it.

And yet, we are here, and it will not go away. The orgy of cannibalizing destruction, empire building, and another destruction would simply continue, ad infinium, and we are stuck here experiencing it, being leeched, burned, killed, and born again into that insanity.

And, way I see it, the only route out of that mess is by dissolving the very heart of the madness. Mind, I am not saying fighting: fighting it will only get it stronger. Fight is both expected , welcomed, and completly useless to us. So- no fight, no struggle. Patient, careful untangling, dissolving, invalidating. Removing all the hooks from our flesh. Building immunity. Removing ourselves from the scope in which virus can even exist.

Now how about we start thinking in those terms?

[Nazirite]

wanderers turned into stars and "broken mill" are others.

Hancock discusses "Hamlett's Mill" in Fingergrints of the Gods.

The lines are bit blurry to me, but the image I am getting is event that broke "celestial tree", which changed face of the earth both in physical and spiritual/energetic sense.

Velikovsky brought some cataclysmic ideas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

RAGNAROK:

THE AGE OF FIRE AND GRAVEL.

By Ignatious Donnely

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/rag/index.htm

[Luke]

Velikovsky brought some cataclysmic ideas

I'm not talking cataclysmic in one-time event sense. Yes, Velikovsky explored a lot, but this is tip of iceberg, really. Changing face of the earth not only in material sense.

There is thing called "Electrical universe theory" ( -> thunderbolts.info).

What is important (besides invalidating Newtonian physics), is that proponents explore "great tree" mythos - as representation of literal energetic connection of earth to the rest of the universe (great tree imagery mighty resembles actual, laboratory recreated plasma "z-pinch" / high energetic current regions).

It also models universe not as a separate "nuclear fireballs" , but an energetic networks of spiralling plasma , that both generate (torsion field) and feed individual stars (anodes) of the current.

But it also explores the fact, that whole "solar system" bears sign of giant "thunderstorm", with features that, again, resemble observable effects of plasma arcs. I am talking things like "great canyon" of Mars, various lichtenberg features found around, down to craters of moon , that are really to shallow and lack ejecta to be caused by meteors as conventional science believes to be the case.

Think about the scale of the event, if they are right.

And think about the fact, that such "impartial" thing as science seems to be thoroughly wetiko-ized.

Think about the possibility, that universe is totally not what we think it is .. what corporate-science make us believe - and we swallow.

Remember, it is not as much about being sold a lie, but about buying it.

[reaver]

It almost sounds as Kabbalah gone wrong. Almost as if this Sephira lost the connection with the other Sephirot. But then again I lack the practical experience and you have to wonder if it is just another trap

[Nazirite]

I liked your observation about common or "Universal Themes" which ties in what Going by was saying about Wentiko which ties in with the Archons in other cultures. You also talk about "The Great Tree" as is Yggdrasil (immense tree that is central in Norse cosmology, on which the nine worlds existed.)

You then go on to talk about the cosmic "Broken Mill" (Hamlets Mill?) which again ties into South American cultural myths and Norse mythology with Ragnorok.

All these mega themes, and others need exploration because these culturally embedded concepts are telling us something important - what that is I don't know but I think has great significance and we should be looking at the why.

You seem to have your finger on it - thanks Luke., and GB for bringing this forward.

[Nazirite]

other Sephiro

Reminds me of Enoch and his progress up through the heavens to meet God, Reaver, Was that allegory? or is the Sephiroth an allegory describing Enoch's journey to knowing God.
Too esoteric for me at this time of day.

[Jenci]

As far as i understand he is simply talking about the pain body in Eckhart Tolle terms or The Serpent in religious terms or the Archons in Gnostic terms etc

That's the impression I got, exactly the same as the pain body term used by Tolle.

Levy did say that there are many metaphores and names for this.

If you just focus on the light and are contracting against the darkness out of fear, in avoidance of the darkness, that is unwittingly feeding the darkness.

I really agree with this statement he made in the audio. Like Goingby has said this is relate to other threads we have.

Jeanette

[alienHunter]

I had a girlfriend that swore she had a 'bruja' put a spell on me once...whether she did or not, it was not a pleasant period of my life.

There is a talk on Wettico, in the American Indian tradition (Paul L?vy interviewed on Red Ice Radio), maybe also called archons in the Gnostic tradition, is a kind of virus that would have overtaken our ego to feed from our energy, etc. Very interesting talk in fact. (seen on Ponda's thread on Avalon)

But what I found most interesting is starting at minute 28, where they explain that the person under the full spell of wettico will generate a morphic field that will end up protecting the Wettico by having people protecting the Wettico spelled person. This would explain why we protect and let the psychopath do all the damage they do on one hand.

On the other hand, I have been wondering for a few days how come we had that thread on Brodbracker (BB) a few days ago and we had some people seemingly kind o him, even if I did see him as fully contaminated, meaning psychopath. And why I was saying to look away, more at what we wanted, than at him, because of the danger such people represent. Well we were maybe all of us wrong.

this talk explains it extremely well. We will end up protecting the ones taken over by the Wettico if we are not fully conscious of the Wettico's presence, which will make us have projection of the mind, and reaction to that projection as if it were objective reality when in fact it is a dream (we are far off), and the sickness goes on.
Very interesting. I do not want to launch the BB discussion again, but I wish we could discuss about archons, Witticos, and their potential impact on all of us in our EVERY DAY ACTIONS AND THINKING/REACTIONS.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-120308.php

[reaver]

Reminds me of Enoch and his progress up through the heavens to meet God, Reaver, Was that allegory? or is the Sephiroth an allegory describing Enoch's journey to knowing God.
Too esoteric for me at this time of day.

I have little knowledge of Kabbalah so I'm just working with what I understand at the moment and may be losing the point entirely and apparently it is one of those practices where you must be able to enter into a sort of trance via meditation.

But anyway this is the tree of life:

Treeoflife0.jpg

Each of those spheres is called Sephira, the higher you go the less restricted you are. This is because the lower levels are under the influence of the higher Sephirot (plural for Sephira). Our sphere would be the one at the bottom, meaning this plane is the most restricted one and has to conform with the laws coming from the higher Sephirot.

But there's also a sort of demonic correspondence which is below this sphere, but in a sense those Sephirot are less restricted than this sphere. They are seen as the "demonic" opposites of the Sephirot which are above our sphere. In a sense I think this world for some reason has more rapport with the demonic tree than with the "angelical" one which may be one of the reasons why this place is so messed up.

Oh and there are four trees. Our sphere is located in the lowest of those trees.

[Going by]

Reaver, go see Carolyn Myss on that, she correlates the treee of life amongst religions and philosophes. Interesting.

[Luke]

there is still introduction to a book on Paul Levy's site : http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/2011/10/693/ ..

Some other articles are interesting too

DREAMING OF DRACULA

In light of our present discussion, a few of my own dreams come to mind: In the first dream, I am hanging out with Dracula in his apartment. His true identity as an evil vampire with malevolent intentions is ‘cloaked’ by his charisma and charm. We are very friendly with each other. I notice, however, that his eyes are beginning to glow in the dark in a ‘spooky’ sort of way. When I see the luminous, radiant light emanating from his eyes, I spontaneously begin making animal noises, like nature’s creatures do when confronted with an unfamiliar, other-worldly and dangerous energy. I begin barking, grunting, squealing and squawking. Dracula is not pleased that I have noticed his out-of-this-world, preternatural radiance. He didn’t know his supernatural nature was showing and it is clear that he didn’t want me to see through his disguise of ordinariness. In the dream, as if coming to my senses and snapping out of a spell, I realize that I am in extreme danger and that I have to leave. Immediately. I wake up.

Fairy tales and mythologies the world over symbolically represent, in various forms, humanity’s encounter with evil. If a person’s psychological/spiritual development isn’t sufficiently evolved, they might need to take flight and avoid the evil demon, lest they get overwhelmed by the monster’s power and be destroyed. In the dream it felt like I would have been way over my head, totally out of my league, if I had chosen to stay and have it out with Dracula. It was all I could do to escape and get myself out of the precarious and soul-threatening situation in which I found myself. It is interesting that it wasn’t my mind, but my bodily, animal instincts that initially sensed the danger I was in.

Vampires, and vampiric entities like wetiko, don’t like it when their covert operations are seen. Just like Dracula in my dream, the last thing the vampiric entity of wetiko wants is for us to be ‘onto it.’ Because it gets its power from operating covertly in the shadows and out of sight, seeing a demon takes away its seeming autonomy and omnipotence. For when we see the nonlocal, transpersonal nature of the vampire, not only do we take away its power over us, but it can also no longer see us. By seeing ‘it,’ we render ourselves invisible to the vampire, who cannot self-reflectively speculate upon the mirrored reflection of itself which we are holding up to it.

The vampiric, wetiko bug is a most elusive creature that is very hard to nail down. Because of my close encounters, I’ve always wanted to write something about vampires that would map my experience in a way that was helpful for others. In the introduction to my first book I tell a dream I had where I was seeing Dracula, and kept on trying to point him out to the other people in the dream, but no one else could see him. That dream has continued to incarnate and transform itself as time unfolds, yet it has been doing so in real waking life. This book is an ‘out’-ing (i.e., an unmasking) of the vampire in the field of our human world, and I feel that over time, as my creative fluency deepens, more and more people are seeing what I am pointing at. It is as if in writing this book I am actually en-acting my dream, and am changing the ending, as if doing living active imagination. [viii] How the waking dream unfolds from here on is truly up to us.

[seismorg]

Great thread ,
< http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html >
< http://gnosis.org/lectures.html >
Wonderful stuff.
Seis:

[Going by]

thank you Seis for giving us the Gnostic sites. I do feel an afffinity with their teachings.

I do think that Wettiko, Archons, Wendigo, Psychopaths are all related. They are like he deluge stories told throughout eons all over he planet's legends. There is something that happened, like a enegy/vortex/mind/whatever virus or contaminant that happened throughout the planet /universe and distorted us, our behaviors, thinking, beings up to the DNA structure. The DNA structure is, probably, based in fact on energetic patterns that has been fooled by this virus/being/energy/invader/call it what you want.

My questions are manyfold:

1. Is that contamination in this part of our universe, in the solar system, in the earth, how far spread is it? IF it is widespead and far reaching, well if it is only just earht involved and widespead, more if universal, it means we are soaking in the disease, it permeate every single cell doesn't it? If so, how do we keep going?

2. If it is far spread, we, human, are only part of the contaminated whole and may have little impact on the cure, or do we?

3. If we have little impact, which kind of help do we need and from where?

4. Are we, in fact, the solution? May be we were implanted here somehow to bring the solution, wich could explain the interest and/or consideration and/or lack of it from intersttellar species. If we are the solution, how did we get lost? How do we get back whole? Are we the Trojan horse?

5. If not, if we are only the tiny par of the whole, why did this happened, what is our role within it, on a consciousness level?

6. If we are part of the solution, what are the tools to use? How and why have to be answered imho. And my bet is that we have look at something or somewhere that very few human have looked at, maybe none. It could be inner looking, outer looking or mix of both, but my bet is that it is right around, but cloaked.

7. It is for the moment beliefs based, I may for example want (belief) to be the solution and orient my mind that way or I may want to be realistic (belief) and orient my mind that way.

I think all sides should be looked at with equal interest in order to achieve something.

And I may be completely in delirium actually with these forms of thinking and nothing of this truly matters. Well, delirium maybe, up you guys to pick up what you want from this post.

[Pintorider]

Thank you for your post Anno. It makes me realize I know nothing and should go do my outside chores. There's always horses to brush, hooves to clean, and the manure don't get picked up magically...

[Luke]

1. Is that contamination in this part of our universe, in the solar system, in the earth, how far spread is it? IF it is widespead and far reaching, well if it is only just earht involved and widespead, more if universal, it means we are soaking in the disease, it permeate every single cell doesn't it? If so, how do we keep going?

Contamination suggest external agent. This is precisely against the core of wetiko concept (as far as I understand it), which is part of ourselves going rogue because we ourselves rejected it and tried to get rid off; It is that behaviour, that is not that different to getting rid of the dog you raised because he suddenly become "inconvenient" (vacations, girlfriend which do not like dogs) .. to a point of taking to the wood and tying to the tree, so it would never, ever come back - you got rid of "inconvenience", but you created one angry and confused spirit seeking retribution; this example might seem cruel and extreme, yet this is what people do to their dogs all to often;
Long story short: it is behavioral pattern rooted in psyche, that got so widespread, that it became a norm to current human population; part of landscape so speak - to a point we treat it as a separate material thing and try to fight it - fighting enemies, hunting psychopaths and other "evil men", while the essence of it is in consciousness of every single individual sharing and shaping the space of this planet.
We start by seeing it in ourselves - because when you see it- it is there.. when you do not see it - you are it.
On long run that means re-incorporating that rogue element back into ourselves, and thus making ourselves whole once again.

2. If it is far spread, we, human, are only part of the contaminated whole and may have little impact on the cure, or do we?

You are trying to think of it in material 3-dimensional space.. a germ that have units that spread, and you can become carrier contacting it's physical form.
Again - this is not the case.
The "virus" is within our shared consciousness field - it is warped part of the field itself! Any being sharing this space is affected - spatial-temporal separation does not matter.
The "cure" is also in consciousness- by knowing the existence of that warp, by being aware of it, by being able to pinpoint it - you can make yourself immune to its tricks.
But even then it can strike back, using other affected humans - and again, the key is recognition of the "works", and focusing in dealing with "driver" not the vehicle d'jour.
The key to long-term strategy is creating a society of people immunized to it's effects - aware and whole, ready to recognize and help those that will go into relapse.

3. If we have little impact, which kind of help do we need and from where?

There is no such thing as "little effect". The problem lies within consciousness field - which we are both part and whole. Once solution is realized in one place and communicated - it is realized as whole. From that point two versions of human consciousness would co-exist - one warped and one not, which would result in forming two parallel civilizations, which will then go their separate ways, one way or another. Still you must start with something - and that is yourself, your actions and what drives it. And world is shaped by our actions.
Since the problem is internal warp of human consciousness, no outside help is possible - even if "cavalry" would come, the second they "connect" they themselves will be affected. That said, from my point of view, we have been provided with all the clues we need already. Its "time" to act on them.

4. Are we, in fact, the solution? May be we were implanted here somehow to bring the solution, wich could explain the interest and/or consideration and/or lack of it from intersttellar species. If we are the solution, how did we get lost? How do we get back whole? Are we the Trojan horse?

You usually get lost because your mental map does not reflect actual territory all too well and/or your skills on using external tools helping with that are inadequate. But since life is about walking the territory you need to learn how to use them, no? In other words, if such warp of consciousness as "wetiko" is possible, you damn sure need to learn to navigate it, because till you don't you will live in fear of realizing it.. which is actually realizing it. You cannot go further without learning basics. Just like with car- if you want to drive you need to know how to operate steering wheel - having your older brother manage it for you does not really solve the problem, don't you think?

5. If not, if we are only the tiny par of the whole, why did this happened, what is our role within it, on a consciousness level?

see previous answer. You are both part and whole .. a version of it, figuring out steering wheel.

6. If we are part of the solution, what are the tools to use? How and why have to be answered imho. And my bet is that we have look at something or somewhere that very few human have looked at, maybe none. It could be inner looking, outer looking or mix of both, but my bet is that it is right around, but cloaked.

Not part the solution, THE solution. Since wetiko is warped, rogue part of our existence, created as an effect of us throwing out part of ourselves and fighting it, all you need to do is stop doing it. Reconnect.
About no humans walking this path: not true. Problem is, that due our participation in warped version of human consciousness, everything that lies outside it is obscured from our view- including those that left the clues. Actually - if we succeed, this is what "others" still affected would see - weird people blinking out from their existence. Ghost stories. Myths. Parallel universe. Also, internal and external are one and the same- the very perception of difference is part of the warp.

7. It is for the moment beliefs based, I may for example want (belief) to be the solution and orient my mind that way or I may want to be realistic (belief) and orient my mind that way.

Carefull what you want, especially if that want seems like drive. Since our reality is wetiko-ized, any realistic approach is actually wetikoized, thus solving nothing. And that means, in order to deal with wetiko, you need to address the core of reality as it is, and un-warp it.