NWO Alien Agenda

[EnergyGem]

Hi All,

I have some lecture excerpts that you might be interested in. It's from a Buddha Master from the Falun Dafa school of QiGong. A very high level cultivation technique thats extremely righteous and powerful:

www.falundafa.org

I recommend checking this out, especially the book 'Zhuan Falun':

http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/zfl_new.pdf

Wow what a read, it covers so many things, from the mysteries of the microcosm to the macrocosm, other dimensions, the soul, ancient prehistory, supernatural latent abilities, chi, gong energy and so many other things.

This practice is also being severely persecuted by the Chinese Communist Party with practitioners being sent to concentration camps, tortured, there organs sold on the black market and often killed:

http://clearwisdom.net/html/cate-23/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yL4KrZsDVM


In these following lecture excerpts, the founder of Falun Dafa, Mr Li hongzhi spells out the Alien Agenda that is upon this earth and it's implications to humanity as a whole.

The rest of the lectures that have been given around the world can be found here:

http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html

Also Mr Li Hongzhi has been interviewed by Time Asia, another fascinating read:

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...053761,00.html




But in closing, here are the lecture excerpts on the Alien Agenda that is taking place on our planet, I hope you will find them of interest.



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?Let me first explain what alien beings are all about. You know that this Earth isn?t the only planet with life in this universe, and Earth hasn?t existed just this once. I?m saying that at Earth?s position there were Earths that existed before. Those previous Earths were discarded. Some exploded. It happened many times?the number has been quite large. The final stage of an Earth has always been a time when its lives were the most corrupt and its matter was the most impure, so the Earth could no longer be kept. It would be eliminated since th e whole sphere had turned into a ball of karma.

The reason is, lives reincarnate . They reincarnate into soil, rocks, plants or matter, and regardless of what they are reborn as, they carry karma with them . Earth would become a ball of karma when karma was all over the place, so at that point it would be eliminated. There would still be some people on Earth who were relatively good, and those exceptionally few or extremely few ones were taken and placed onto another planet within the Three Realms.

Yet through the ages this Earth has been replaced innumerable times and each time there were people who remained. So over time those remaining lives increased in number. The gods in each time period created humans with a different appearance, so the differences are quite substantial, and there are some who were created on other planets. These are alien beings. They?ve become like a record of history , placed there like a page of history left behind . That?s the function they serve, a minor one. They were left behind from the final stage of Earth during those times, and took with them the technology they had in those times over to other planet s, so their starting point was more advanced.

Over this long period of time, the knowledge of the universe they came to grasp far exceeds that of the inhabitants of today?s Earth. Their bodies can enter other dimensions and adjust to the mode of those dimensions they are in; they ?ve developed to this stage. Those things they ride in that fly back and forth?those aircraft that human beings call flying saucers?can enter other dimensions and fly into other space-times. If they travel in a fast space-time, after being there for just a short while they traverse a long distance. So that speed is inconceivable to human beings. The types of fuel they use aren?t in the least the kinds of substances conceivable by the technology, theories, or concepts of modern science.

Over the ages, these alien beings have continually been developing and metamorphosing. So in this universe there have really appeared the abnormal social relations that these kinds of lives have. Greed and lust have caused something like star wars to actually happen over where they live. They haven?t yet threatened humankind because humankind doesn?t have the ability to pose a threat to them . So they haven?t attacked humankind.

They would attack humankind if you were to threaten them. Although alien beings haven?t attacked humankind, they know that a human bod y is the most perfect. They?ve thus taken a fancy to the human body and want to steal it. They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ? thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to the irs, they just have to replace people?s souls and humans will become them, and they will eventually replace the human race.

It ?s a long story. They have been coming here full-scale s ince the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution in the West. They ha d come prior to that time, but they didn?t control people then. Their full-scale arrival began when Caucasian society entered the industrial age. They made full preparations and systematic arrangements for occupying this earth. It was they who created science for human beings . So this science was set up by aliens. Their purpose was to unify human beings and simpl ify their thoughts to the point of being as uniform as machines. And they unified knowledge to make it easy for them to later on control and replace human beings. Furthermore, they?ve chosen a few nationalities as the vanguards of their future, total control of humankind. Japan is the vanguard that drives technology.

The United States is the vanguard in breaking away from all ancient cultures o n earth. The cultures of even the most ancient and closed-off nations haven?t been able to escape. The whole world is being impacted by America?s modern culture. England was the vanguard in the manufacture of machinery during the early stages , and Spain was the vanguard for mixing the human races. The way alien beings get human beings to shake free of the gods is to mix the races, causing human beings to become rootless people, just like the plant hybrids people make nowadays. South Americans, Central Americans, Mexicans and some people in South East Asia? all of these races have been mixed. None of this can evade the gods? eyes. Alien beings have made rather extensive preparations for overtaking human beings.

Everyone who know s how to operate a computer ha s been registered. Of course, our students don?t have this problem. Once you obtain the Fa, I clean up that layer of your body that?s been occupied by them. They have formed a layer of their bod y within the human bod y. It?s incredibly frightening! Everything people learn from elementary school right up through college is the science they brought , and everything that human beings use nowadays is the product of this omnipresent science. Why do the inspirations people get make computers and technology develop with such tremendous speed? It?s done by that layer of the body that alien beings formed so as to control the human race. It?s exactly because that system of their technology and science that has formed in the human body is making people?s minds do so.

Today it?s incredible how develop ed computers are. But it is not a human technology. Man will be replaced by alien beings if it continues like this for long. But think about it, everyone: Alien beings are, after all, beings within the Three Realms, where ordinary humans are. There are other reason s why they dare to do this sort of thing. It has happened because the Fa of the universe has deviated and gods no longer look after things.

So it has to do with high-level beings as well. If this situation is to be turned around, it has to begin from high levels. That?s because they have this idea that human beings are no longer any good, their morality has degenerated, and everything is perverted. So they think it?s all right to just replace them , given that they are going to be eliminated all the same. They have to pay for all of the bad things they?ve done, for sure. The principles of this universe are absolutely reasonable toward any life.

So they have to answer for everything they?ve done. As for how their lives will eventually be dealt with, alien beings definitely won?t exist in the future. If there are truly good ones among the alien beings, then their lives can reincarnate as other lives. Bad lives will be eliminated. So every thing that every being does positions himself for the future . And that includes all human beings. Whatever a human being does positions him.

That?s the situation as far as alien beings go. They are being swept out up there, and they found out about the cleaning, so they scurried over here, and in particularly large numbers in recent years.

As of right now, most of the alien beings who have come here did so fleeing for their lives. They knew that in the end it would be hard for them to escape, so some alien beings have married Earth dwellers. But it?s not that they marry legitimately, because no one would marry them. They catch a village woman to leav e behind their offsprin g. And there are those who are hiding among ordinary people. They can?t stay under cover no matter how they hide. Immense gong is coming up from the microscopic level.

Whether it be steel, iron, wood, the human body, water, rocks, air, plants, animals, substances, etc., from the microscopic level of everything gong is coming up toward the surface. Tell me, where could they escape to? The gong is omnipresent and rushing up to the surface . So they?ve seen that there is no way to dodge it or to hide from it. How do they exist? The y aren?t actually possessing spirits. But some of them have assumed man?s appearance and walk the streets . You have no idea who they are.

Some have hidden and don?t come out. But the number is now small, very small. In the past they could hide , and their flying saucers could fly up and go to another dimension. But the other dimensions have all been cleaned up. Immense gong is rushing here and they can no longer hide. They can only hide in a cave or at the bottom of the sea in this dimension. Even so, they can?t stay concealed. Anyway, that?s the problem they face . All lives are position ing themselves in this affair. You should know that although alien beings brought their science to human beings to achieve their goals, gods are in charge of everything and are in turn using them.?

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?Having seen many movies, having read many imaginative stories, and having been influenced by a lot of things in society, people have developed a warped mindset that indulges in fantasy. You asked how to communicate with intelligent beings. Let me tell you all that an ordinary person can?t do that sort of thing, and he lacks the ability. If you could indeed communicate with intelligent beings but weren?t a cultivator yourself and were without energy, you would be in danger. You might lose your life any moment. Besides, you would see gruesome spirits but no high-level beings, for your level would be too low and limited to only that of humans. So it would be a terrifying situation. It?s even more terrifying if you want to communicate with living beings beyond Earth.

Lives beyond Earth are just lives on other planets within this physical dimension that our human eyes can perceive. Yet those lives don?t regard people as human beings. They think people are beasts, a kind of animal. They slaughter people at will and experiment on you at will. They kidnap people to their planets, lock them in cages, and put them on display as animals. Many of Earth?s people who have gone missing were taken by them. I can also tell you that today?s human science was created by them. Why have those aliens created for humans something like the current science? It?s because what they have on their planet is akin to it.

They want to bring it to this planet and eventually replace humans. They found that the human body is really perfect, flawless. So they covet the human body and want to eventually replace humans. They have added their things into one layer of human beings? molecular cells. That?s already been done now and it has formed on a large scale. So for me to save you today, I not only have to remove all the attachments and karma that you need to eliminate, but I also have to clean up this stuff for you. The road humankind is traveling down is dreadful. Computers would have commanded people one day. Ongoing developments have conformed to this trajectory. Humans were to become the slaves of computers and machinery, and eventually be replaced by aliens.

Why have computers developed so quickly, and why has the human brain suddenly become so ?sharp?? All of this has been carried out by aliens controlling the human mind. Aliens have registered everyone who knows how to operate a computer.For real. As to our students, I?ve cleaned all of that up for them, so that they won?t be interfered with by aliens when they use computers. Why are there aliens? Some aliens originate from their planets. Why do some aliens always come to Earth? It?s because they were once humans on Earth. But it wasn?t the Earth of our time. It was the previous Earth that existed at the same location as this Earth. Earth has been replaced many times.

Each time it was replaced, there was a portion of lives?living beings created by gods with different appearances, some of whom were similar to today?s humans, some of whom had different forms ?who were relatively good at the time and were thus preserved. They weren?t destroyed, yet they weren?t allowed to enter the period of human development on the next Earth, either. So they were sent to another planet. That?s how it was done every time. Also, it has left a record of this universe, for they were humans on Earth in different time periods. It serves that purpose. But due to a slackening in overseeing them, they have developed, and they have created all kinds of scientific methods according to their schemes; some are like the kind on our earth, some assume other forms, and there are a variety of modes of development. Of course, they don?t use the term ?science.?

The names they use belong to their languages and concepts. These things have deteriorated further and further. And with the deviation of the cosmos? Great Fa, the aliens have become worse and worse too. That?s why all aliens are in the process of being completely eliminated. They are being eliminated throughout the entire universe. At present, those up there have been eliminated. What?s left are only those who have escaped to Earth, who are mingling among people or who have attached to human bodies. And there are other types too.?


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?As you know, modern science was brought to mankind by aliens. They came when the Industrial Revolution began in theWest. They started with mathematics and chemistry?started from the shallow, simple knowledge of the earliest days?and penetrated on through to modern machinery, and eventually they developed up to today?s computers. As development continues further their ultimate goal will be to replace human beings.

How is the replacement to take place? As I mentioned, in the body of today?s human beings almost everyone has a layer of the body that was created by aliens.Why do I say that? It?s because all of the science that they instilled in you has created a warped human mindset in your mind. There have never been humans like this in any of mankind?s previous civilizations. When the mind is like that, so is the body. As you know, every cell in your body is you, and your brain is connected to the brain in every cell. In that case, the thought processes inside the countless cells in your body are all the thoughts of warped human beings, and the entire body has become like that. This ties into why gods no longer regard man as human. When mankind is no longer human, what is the point of gods? saving it?

You know that when a person dies, he doesn?t really die. The shell of the layer of the largest molecular particles sloughs off, whereas the part of the body composed of microcosmic particles below molecules hasn?t died. It is separated, as if a person takes off a piece of clothing. It isn?t really dead. Yet the person in this dimension has vanished, since the body needs to be cremated or buried and it will eventually decompose and dissolve. It has departed from this dimension; that is, this layer of particles has disappeared.

Then, as to the alien culture that I was just talking about, it is precisely using man?s own thinking to create the bodily layer that it needs, and it is doing so without man being aware of it. How will they ultimately replace human beings, then? You know that they still have to find a way to replace the shell of the outermost surface of human beings. This is the method of ?cloning? that man now wants to use. Gods look after people, and when they don?t look after someone, they won?t instill the elements of life into that person.

This is to say, the reason you are alive in this world is not that you have this flesh body, nor is it because your mother gave you this body that you are alive. It is because you have your main spirit (yuanshen) and the existence of all of your other spirits (shen) that you can live. Why doesn?t a person keep living after he dies and the body is laid down there, since it?s the same body after all? It?s because all of his main spirits have left. That is, if a person isn?t given a spirit and isn?t allowed to reincarnate at the time of birth, he will still be dead after he is born. So what will happen? Aliens will enter.

This is the ultimate means that aliens will use to replace man? that is, cloning humans. Man is being used by aliens to destroy himself, yet he is not aware of it and is still protecting this science, destroying the human race. If humans are cloned en masse in the future, those beings will all be aliens that have reincarnated in human bodies, and there will be no more human race.?


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I?ve told you before that because of alien science and technology, one layer of the human body, one of the human body?s layers of particles, has been placed fully under the control of aliens. It consists entirely of alien planets? elements, including numbers, mechanical structures, electronic components, and so on. It consists of that stuff. And those things are continually creating a warped effect. The large-scale modern industries brought about by science have impacted many low-level dimensions in the cosmos. In my Fa-rectification I?ve found that quite a large layer of the cosmos has been contaminated by those things. And those warped things have had a considerably large resisting effect in the Fa-rectification.

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[Athos]

Hi,
I just searched for this quote online, and I see it was also posted on Anon News on March 8th.

I'm wondering if some of this passage was not correctly translated into English from Chinese.
For example it says "Those previous Earths were discarded. Some exploded." And then later it says "Yet through the ages this Earth has been replaced innumerable times and each time there were people who remained."
I'm not sure how people could survive on Earth after it explodes. It sounds like its describing one of the many past deluges that has been on this planet.

For example in ancient Chinese mythology there is the story of Nuwa who went "up to heaven and filling the gap with her body (half human half serpent) and thus stopping the flood". Then there is the myth of a man named Noah who built an ark in preparation for a flood. Then in Plato's Atlantis it also told about a great flood. Science has shown that there have been some catastrophic events on Earth with mass extinctions. We do live on a fragile planet.

As for my own direct experience with one type of alien some call visitors or greys I've not observed or any of this agenda as described in the teachings of QiGong. This is not proof against those teachings. They just don't fit with my own personal experience. Still it is an interesting post with many things to consider.

[Dex]

Once you obtain the Fa, I clean up that layer of your body that’s been occupied by them [aliens]. They have formed a layer of their bod y within the human bod y. It’s incredibly frightening!

So, what does Mr. Li Hongzh get in return for this service? How do we obtain the Fa? Is there a cost involved?

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Hi EnergyGem, welcome to Nexus
There is so much wrong with quoted article I don't really know where to start.
I'm not much of a believer in 'Karma' in the sense the author probably means it.

The final stage of an Earth has always been a time when its lives were the most corrupt and its matter was the most impure, so the Earth could no longer be kept. It would be eliminated since th e whole sphere had turned into a ball of karma.

You would think that such an advanced race of alien beings, clearly capable of creating entire planets over and over again would learn from their mistakes at some point?

Yet through the ages this Earth has been replaced innumerable times and each time there were people who remained.

As Athos pointed out, this statement doesn't make sense.

So over time those remaining lives increased in number. The gods in each time period created humans with a different appearance, so the differences are quite substantial, and there are some who were created on other planets. These are alien beings. They?ve become like a record of history , placed there like a page of history left behind . That?s the function they serve, a minor one.

Completely lost me there.

Over the ages, these alien beings have continually been developing and metamorphosing. So in this universe there have really appeared the abnormal social relations that these kinds of lives have. Greed and lust have caused something like star wars to actually happen over where they live.

Hmm, don't sound that advanced to me.

they know that a human bod y is the most perfect. They?ve thus taken a fancy to the human body and want to steal it.

So this super advanced alien race who can bend not only space but the very fabric of time think Human body's (not souls) are the most perfect, and want to steal them? sounds a bit dodgy to me, it then goes on to say:

They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ? thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to the irs, they just have to replace people?s souls and humans will become them, and they will eventually replace the human race.

What is the IRS? and it sounds like a very convoluted plan to me? and to what end if the Earth will be destroyed once it is full of 'Karma'?

It ?s a long story. They have been coming here full-scale s ince the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution in the West.

This part made me laugh, so they turned up at the industrial revolution.

It was they who created science for human beings . So this science was set up by aliens.

I guess that means we have only had science since the Industrial Revolution then

they?ve chosen a few nationalities as the vanguards of their future, total control of humankind. Japan is the vanguard that drives technology.

I knew 'made in Japan' was evil

and Spain was the vanguard for mixing the human races. The way alien beings get human beings to shake free of the gods is to mix the races, causing human beings to become rootless people, just like the plant hybrids people make nowadays.

This I can agree with on some level, sounds almost 'Lucifearian' doesn't it?

Everyone who know s how to operate a computer ha s been registered. Of course, our students don?t have this problem. Once you obtain the Fa, I clean up that layer of your body that?s been occupied by them.

Will that cost me money by any chance? just askin.....

They have formed a layer of their bod y within the human bod y. It?s incredibly frightening!

Sounds similar to what Carlos castaneda talked about.

If this situation is to be turned around, it has to begin from high levels.

So if the change has to begin with 'the Gods' then there isn't much to debate is there?

alien beings definitely won?t exist in the future. If there are truly good ones among the alien beings, then their lives can reincarnate as other lives. Bad lives will be eliminated. So every thing that every being does positions himself for the future . And that includes all human beings. Whatever a human being does positions him.

Hold on a minute, if all the bad people get eliminated, including Humans, how have Humans ended up with a world so overwhelmed in 'bad karma'?

Whether it be steel, iron, wood, the human body, water, rocks, air, plants, animals, substances, etc., from the microscopic level of everything gong is coming up toward the surface. Tell me, where could they escape to? The gong is omnipresent and rushing up to the surface . So they?ve seen that there is no way to dodge it or to hide from it.

I quite like this idea

Immense gong is rushing here and they can no longer hide. They can only hide in a cave or at the bottom of the sea in this dimension.

Again this statement contradicts the one made previously. If this 'immense Gong' is rushing up through every dimension, through every atom, how the hell does hiding in a cave, or at the bottom of the sea help?

You should know that although alien beings brought their science to human beings to achieve their goals, gods are in charge of everything and are in turn using them.?

So then these aliens aren't really evil, or bad, in fact they are doing gods work no??

You asked how to communicate with intelligent beings. Let me tell you all that an ordinary person can?t do that sort of thing, and he lacks the ability. If you could indeed communicate with intelligent beings but weren?t a cultivator yourself and were without energy, you would be in danger. You might lose your life any moment. Besides, you would see gruesome spirits but no high-level beings, for your level would be too low and limited to only that of humans. So it would be a terrifying situation. It?s even more terrifying if you want to communicate with living beings beyond Earth.

You don't mind if I don't buy that do you......

They think people are beasts, a kind of animal.

Ok........

They found that the human body is really perfect, flawless. So they covet the human body and want to eventually replace humans.

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I thought they considered us as beastly animals? lol

As you can see, there are some inconsistency's in the quoted material.
I haven't commented on the rest, you get my meaning.

I don't mean any disrespect to the OP, I thank him/her for the post, and i will check out some of the links and stuff provided.

Thank you

Hurritt

[Nazirite]

Tough post! Thanks for breaking it down.

[EnergyGem]

Athos wrote:

Hi,
I just searched for this quote online, and I see it was also posted on Anon News on March 8th.

I'm wondering if some of this passage was not correctly translated into English from Chinese.
For example it says "Those previous Earths were discarded. Some exploded." And then later it says "Yet through the ages this Earth has been replaced innumerable times and each time there were people who remained."
I'm not sure how people could survive on Earth after it explodes. It sounds like its describing one of the many past deluges that has been on this planet.

For example in ancient Chinese mythology there is the story of Nuwa who went "up to heaven and filling the gap with her body (half human half serpent) and thus stopping the flood". Then there is the myth of a man named Noah who built an ark in preparation for a flood. Then in Plato's Atlantis it also told about a great flood. Science has shown that there have been some catastrophic events on Earth with mass extinctions. We do live on a fragile planet.

As for my own direct experience with one type of alien some call visitors or greys I've not observed or any of this agenda as described in the teachings of QiGong. This is not proof against those teachings. They just don't fit with my own personal experience. Still it is an interesting post with many things to consider.

From my current level of understanding Athos, the lecture was translated at one of the Fa Conferences held around the world by a professional translator and that it was translated correctly. In regards to your query about the question of the Earths destruction I beleive there are minor destructions such as what you have stated such as floods, earthquakes and technotic plate shifts that destroy civilizations and humanity at smaller scales. Then there are cataclysmic events which happen less often such as the destruction of the whole earth. As we can see from history, a civilizations development is cyclical and is usually are destroyed when the morality of the civilization begins to slide down to an irredeemable level. In regards to how people can remain even after a cataclysmic event such as the destruction of the Earth, I beleive from my current level of understanding that it implies the idea of reincarnation so other dimensions are involved. The purged 'people' that have turned evil enter into lower dimensional levels and the ones that can remain so to speak reincarnate back onto the new Earth when it reforms. The book Zhuan Falun expounds on the myriad of dimensions that exist, in a sense we are only on a low rung of a multi dimensional ladder that goes very deep into the micro and macrocosm.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
Once you obtain the Fa, I clean up that layer of your body that’s been occupied by them [aliens]. They have formed a layer of their bod y within the human bod y. It’s incredibly frightening!

Dex wrote:

So, what does Mr. Li Hongzh get in return for this service? How do we obtain the Fa? Is there a cost involved?

In the same sense that Buddha Shakyamuni, Lao Zi and Jesus where teaching there Law and saving their disciples to the heavens, the same can be said of any True and Righteous path to enlightenment. Shakyamuni mentioned once that the goal of life is to shed one's Karma and return to the 'other shore' or what Jesus refered to as the Heavens. In scientific terms we can term them other dimensions which are currently being studied with M theory and others. These matters are based out of true Compassion, no cost is involved and no one will force you. If you want to cultivate you cultivate, if you don't that fine too. Any true righteous teaching will not force anyone to do anything as that becomes an evil teaching.



Hi Hurriet and thankyou.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
The final stage of an Earth has always been a time when its lives were the most corrupt and its matter was the most impure, so the Earth could no longer be kept. It would be eliminated since th e whole sphere had turned into a ball of karma.

You would think that such an advanced race of alien beings, clearly capable of creating entire planets over and over again would learn from their mistakes at some point?

Your understanding is incorrect. It is not the alien beings that created the planets but higher beings, the Gods. The Gods created the various planetary bodies and also created the alien beings that are discussed in the lecture excerpts. The alien beings throughout there development over millions of years have created a very highly technological society, much higher then mankinds. Although these beings many be technologically advanced their morality and spiritual development is still at a low level. Spiritual science as it were is a higher form of science. It is the science of the Gods and the Ascended and awakened ones such as the various Buddhas, Dao Masters and there are even higher gods above them.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
Yet through the ages this Earth has been replaced innumerable times and each time there were people who remained.

As Athos pointed out, this statement doesn't make sense.

I have answered this question in Athos's post above.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
So over time those remaining lives increased in number. The gods in each time period created humans with a different appearance, so the differences are quite substantial, and there are some who were created on other planets. These are alien beings. They’ve become like a record of history , placed there like a page of history left behind . That’s the function they serve, a minor one.

Completely lost me there.

Firstly I'd like to say that at my current level of understanding I too do not fully understand or comprehend everything that is occuring in terms of this phenomenan clearly. I think this quote is refering to the fact that apart from mankind, other Gods also created beings such as the Aliens a long time ago that have been developing there scientific knowledge millions of years before man was created so the knowledge of the cosmos they have is far far in advance of our current science. Although these beings are scientifically incredibly advanced there spiritual potentials are not as powerful as mankinds.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem

Over the ages, these alien beings have continually been developing and metamorphosing. So in this universe there have really appeared the abnormal social relations that these kinds of lives have. Greed and lust have caused something like star wars to actually happen over where they live.

Hmm, don't sound that advanced to me.

Having a technologically and scientifically advanced civilization does not mean they are spiritually advanced beings, nor does it mean they have a high morality. We can see even from our own sciences that we still kill and experiment on animals, scientists are still developing new weapons and technologies for war and destruction and the destruction of the planets ecosystem is still occurring from our pollution and waste. A scientifically advanced society does not equal a moral or spiritual one.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem

they know that a human bod y is the most perfect. They’ve thus taken a fancy to the human body and want to steal it.

So this super advanced alien race who can bend not only space but the very fabric of time think Human body's (not souls) are the most perfect, and want to steal them? sounds a bit dodgy to me, it then goes on to say:

The alien race does not just look at the human body from our current dimension. It knows that mankind was created by Gods and that it's level of intricacy and spiritual potentials are above there own. They therefore want to steal mankind so to speak, the Gnostics also beleive this was occuring and called these beings 'Archons'.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem

They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ’ thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to the irs, they just have to replace people’s souls and humans will become them, and they will eventually replace the human race.

What is the IRS? and it sounds like a very convoluted plan to me? and to what end if the Earth will be destroyed once it is full of 'Karma'?

Sorry that was a typo, IRS is actually the word 'theirs' but split in two due to an error when I pasted the lecture excerpts I beleive.

The Earth does go through destruction when there is too much karma. It happens in cycles, each civilization has a golden period before it's morality cannot keep up with it's technological development and it begins to decay and atrophy. An analogy of purging and destroying the earth when there is too much Karma is that of a rotten apple, if you have a rotting apple on your table in a clean room, what is the best thing to do? Isn't it to dispose of it and start over? Why keep a rotten apple in a clean room? This is how the gods look upon such an Earth when it's morality is very low and people have turned wicked. It's not to punish people, people punish themselves through there own deeds and descend from there own deeds.

As for to what end? The alien beings as I have mentioned before, are not very spiritually advanced, they cannot see the karma and spiritual damage they are doing to themselves, they are just fulfilling there selfish desires and working on there plans oblivious to their fates. They are also held accountable for everything they do. Every sentient being is.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
It ’s a long story. They have been coming here full-scale s ince the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution in the West.

This part made me laugh, so they turned up at the industrial revolution.

As was stated in the lecture excerpt, they also came before that time but didn't control mankind then. There systematic plans began when man finally reached the level of the industrial revolution and machines were being developed en masse.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
It was they who created science for human beings . So this science was set up by aliens.

I guess that means we have only had science since the Industrial Revolution then

Science comes from the inspirations that come to mankind. It stems from mankinds thoughts but science at our present stage doesn't fully understand thought or consciousness. These advanced beings can 'guide' mankinds thought patterns as it were the same as you can guide iron filings when you expose them to a magnetic field. They have extremely developed technological tools to achieve their means. The gnostics had a grasp of these beings and there agendas, here's a quote from metahistory.org that correlates with these excerpts I have shared:

The Nag Hammadi material contains reports of visionary experiences of the initiates, including first-hand encounters with inorganic beings called Archons. Gnostic teaching explains that these entities arose in the early stage of formation of the solar system, before the Earth was formed. Archons inhabit the solar system, the extraterrestrial realm as such, but they can intrude on Earth. Interestingly, this Gnostic insight accords closely with the view of Jacques Vallee, who maintains that ET/cyborgs probably belong to the local planetary realm. Vallee also proposes that the ET/UFO enigma is a “spiritual control system,” a phenomenon that “behaves like a conditioning process.” (Messengers of Deception). This is exactly what Gnostics said about the Archons: they can affect our minds by subliminal conditioning techniques. Their main tactics are mental error (intellectual virus, or false ideology, especially religious doctrines) and simulation. Archons are predatory, unlike a wide range of non-human and other-dimensional beings also know to the Gnostics, beings who are benevolent or neutral toward humanity.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
Everyone who know s how to operate a computer ha s been registered. Of course, our students don’t have this problem. Once you obtain the Fa, I clean up that layer of your body that’s been occupied by them.
Will that cost me money by any chance? just askin.....

I have answered this question in reply to Dex.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
They have formed a layer of their bod y within the human bod y. It’s incredibly frightening!
Sounds similar to what Carlos castaneda talked about.

Indeed, many shamanic teachers call them the 'masters of the outer darkness'. Gnostic sages also knew about them aswell as the many countless enlightenend beings throughout history.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
If this situation is to be turned around, it has to begin from high levels.

So if the change has to begin with 'the Gods' then there isn't much to debate is there?

The cosmos is connected from the microcosm to the macrocosm in ways that our current science still doesn't understand. By awakening one to this knowledge it is in a way breaking free of the conditioning of what has been occuring. And with over 100 million Falun Dafa practioners around the world and growing steadily this change and awakening is happening on a large scale. By the way, many of the practioners in mainland China are being persecuted so ferociously that it is beyond beleif, from rape, diabolical tortures, injection of mind destroying drugs, organ harvesting and often they are killed:

http://fofg.org/

http://faluninfo.net/gallery/12/

http://clearwisdom.net/html/cate-23/

I said that the cosmos and reality is not how science currently understand and that other dimensions and the inhabitants of those other dimensions play roles in what occurs in our dimension. There are other reasons why the Comunist government wants to eliminate such a righteous practice who's core precepts are "Truth" "Compassion" and "Forebearance". This is tied into Falun Dafa being a huge threat to expose the evil, both the alien deception and the other evil that exists but is hidden from people that have not awakened there spiritual abilities.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
alien beings definitely won’t exist in the future. If there are truly good ones among the alien beings, then their lives can reincarnate as other lives. Bad lives will be eliminated. So every thing that every being does positions himself for the future . And that includes all human beings. Whatever a human being does positions him.

Hold on a minute, if all the bad people get eliminated, including Humans, how have Humans ended up with a world so overwhelmed in 'bad karma'?

The cycle of civilization means that when a civilization gets to an unredeemable level is gets eliminated. Bad and evil people are eliminated from this dimensional level and descend to one of the 18 levels of hell where they suffer to pay of there karmik debts. After they have payed off there Karma they are allowed to reincarnate on Earth again. Good people are reincarnated back on earth to start the new cycle of civilization. Ofcourse through countless aeons and as new civilizations arise certain people and societies turn bad again, their hearts turn dark and their morality falls and once again the bad people are weeded out. This is what the Buddha Masters called 'Samsara' or the wheel of reincarnation. The ancients said the goal was to break out of the Wheel of 'Samsara'. That is what all the enlightened beings have thought throughout the ages from Buddha Shakyamuni to Jesus although there were countless others in earlier time periods. They all said man has sin/karma and to return to the truth, to your true home you have to shed your karma, lighten ones mind and heart, be good and guard your virture. Only in this way will a persons future be bright.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
Immense gong is rushing here and they can no longer hide. They can only hide in a cave or at the bottom of the sea in this dimension.

Again this statement contradicts the one made previously. If this 'immense Gong' is rushing up through every dimension, through every atom, how the hell does hiding in a cave, or at the bottom of the sea help?

As I mentioned before, the alien beings are doing what they are doing via stealth. They may not know what is occuring at the higher dimensional levels or alternatively they know what is going to occur and yet still do not want to make contact with mankind and prefer to continue on with there agenda in the shadows, ignorant of the reprecussions.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
You should know that although alien beings brought their science to human beings to achieve their goals, gods are in charge of everything and are in turn using them.”

So then these aliens aren't really evil, or bad, in fact they are doing gods work no??

In a way yes. They are following their agendas not realizing that there are higher levels in turn watching them and although they are commiting evil deeds for there selfish desires, in the end the law of the cosmos comes into play which is equal to all beings. It is the law of 'no loss' 'no gain' . If you want something and harm someone in the process you have won out over that person in this dimension, you are the one that has gained. In doing so you lose 'virtue' and gain 'karma' which tangibly exist in other dimensions. So in a way evil people that think they are moving forward in life and gaining more over others and constantly harm others are actually descending spiritually and there futures will be dark. People that are kind hearted, don't harm others, do good things and forbear punishment and hardship are 'losing' in this dimension, they have it hard and what happens to them? They lose there 'karma' and pay off there sins and they gain 'Virtue' which is precious. You can't take anything with you when you die but virtue and karma stay on your soul and tag along with you into your next life so virtue is very precious. So in saying all that, the alien beings are also positioning themselves by doing what they are doing even though they may not fully understand it at their current spiritual development.

I can't explain these concepts too well at my current level, I recommend reading the book 'Zhuan Falun' which I have linked to in my original post. It explains these concepts far clearer then I can elaborate.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
You asked how to communicate with intelligent beings. Let me tell you all that an ordinary person can’t do that sort of thing, and he lacks the ability. If you could indeed communicate with intelligent beings but weren’t a cultivator yourself and were without energy, you would be in danger. You might lose your life any moment. Besides, you would see gruesome spirits but no high-level beings, for your level would be too low and limited to only that of humans. So it would be a terrifying situation. It’s even more terrifying if you want to communicate with living beings beyond Earth.

You don't mind if I don't buy that do you......

Many abduction victims have recounted various experiments that have been performed on them. This has been happening to many people all over the Earth who all talk about intrusive procedures, strange bio technologies and other bizzare states of mind and technologies that have been used against them. Now if it was just a handful of people that would be easy to dismiss, but these are countless reports from people from all walks of like from doctors to school teachers that have recounted such things. As for the abduction itself, they may use various techniques beyond our understanding. What is also interesting to not is how many children and people go completely missing each year, the statistics are startling and are not really covered in the newspapers and on t.v. Where do all these people dissapear to, I'm not saying it is all alien involvement but it is food for thought.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
They found that the human body is really perfect, flawless. So they covet the human body and want to eventually replace humans.
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I thought they considered us as beastly animals? lol

I beleive it is not just one alien race that has it's interests in mankind. But in answering your question, scientists are also sometimes awed by an particular animals physiology, for example an octopus's many brains and mode of operation, it has skills and it's skin can morph and texturize and change color in a most amazing way. Humans cannot do that but the military establishment would love to make a suit like that for camaflouge, it would be an improvement for the military so to speak. The same can be said of the aliens, they know we have spiritually atrophied, are no threat to them currently but they also see the potential in aquiring us so to speak. They see us as an animal that they can exploit for their own purposes both spiritually and physically.



Thankyou Hurritt, I have tried to respond to the best of my abilities, as I'm still learning about all this some of my responses may not be the clearest or most consice. It's great that your going to check out the links, it trully is a righteous and powerful practice that can bring alot of good to the world. On a side note there is a book from the Falun Dafa website entitled "Life and Hope Renewed, the Healing Power of Falun Dafa" It is case reports of various people around the world that have practiced Falun Dafa and recovered from serious illnesses and diseases, you can check it out here:

http://clearwisdom.net/emh/download/...whole_book.pdf

http://clearwisdom.net/html/cate-81/

If you have any more questions please let me know and I'll do my best to answer, my current level of understanding is still very low however

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Thank you EnergyGem Your explanations were better than the original quote!
There are still parts i disagree with however, but i have a better understanding thanks to your elaborations.
The Idea of 'karma' still doesn't sit well with me, I do believe that there are consequences for all our actions, but I'm not convinced with the idea that Karma follows us from lifetime to lifetime, if this was the case, it would be virtually impossible to EVER get off the Karmic wheel. If everybody forgets their Karmic baggage from life to life, what are the chances of ever decreasing your Karma significantly? In that sense, Earth would be more akin to a kind of 'prison' and anybody that came here would be doomed from the start.

Thanks for the reply, I find your ideas and those of the people you study to be very interesting


Hurritt

[Fredkc]

Sounds to me like the master of some yoga discipline, or another was asked a question... his response, to himself was, "Oh, they want a story. Well, ok I'll give them a good one." and off he went.

Not sure it's worthy of a lecture circuit, but its a nice story.

[lightblue]

Thank you EnergyGem Your explanations were better than the original quote!
There are still parts i disagree with however, but i have a better understanding thanks to your elaborations.
The Idea of 'karma' still doesn't sit well with me, I do believe that there are consequences for all our actions, but I'm not convinced with the idea that Karma follows us from lifetime to lifetime, if this was the case, it would be virtually impossible to EVER get off the Karmic wheel. If everybody forgets their Karmic baggage from life to life, what are the chances of ever decreasing your Karma significantly? In that sense, Earth would be more akin to a kind of 'prison' and anybody that came here would be doomed from the start.

Thanks for the reply, I find your ideas and those of the people you study to be very interesting


Hurritt

i don't think there's karma as such..i think the idea must have been planted by the "spiritual" elite keen on controlling everything and everyone - so you can never pay off your (karmic) debt and always be in the service to "higher ups " i.e. paying for something just because you are walking the face of the earth...just like hurritt put it....it's one of the enslavement strategies waged on humanity... an impossible concept l


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[Anno]

Once you obtain the Fa, I clean up that layer of your body that’s been occupied by them.

A true healer knows that everyone heals themselves. You can't heal anyone else. All genuine healers/teachers say this. Those who offer a panacea generally turn out to be false gurus.

I'm also a bit confused about the Qi Gong reference. Qi Gong is simply internal Kung Fu. Taught by Bodhidharma to his monks. They were unable to practice meditation and Kung Fu for long periods as they'd become very weak so he taught them Qi Gong to strengthen their bodies (hence internal Kung Fu). The most effective exercises were taken later by the Shaolin Monks and are now used in all those cool tricks you see them doing at the Chinese State Circus.

If you want to learn Qi Gong I recommend the book 'The Root of Chinese Qi Gong' by Dr Yang, Jwing-Ming or the DVD series by Shifu Yan Lei if you want practical exercises. Neither of whom mention aliens, neither of whom claim any special power to heal you. Both of whom explain the simple practice of Qi Gong for strengthening the body and improving health.

It seems to me that Qi Gong is being twisted into something else here. This guy seems to be assuming we in the west are ignorant of this knowledge and is re-packaging Qi Gong into the alternative community as a self defence system against aliens. Epic fail.

Thanks for the post though and welcome to Nexus newbies!

[Anno]

Hmmmmm. Captain Cynical here. I was a little suspicious of the OP EnergyGem. The core exercises of Qi Gong are known as the eight jewels. Jewel/Gem. Qi = Energy. Energy Jewel, Energy Gem. So I went to google and searched for Posted By EnergyGem and saw that they've spent the last week or so joining all sorts of alien forums and have been posting this same post but haven't been active in other threads. I don't like to accuse anyone of being a spam monkey, especially new posters as we need new members and I don't want them to think we'll jump all over them, but, on this occasion I'm pointing the spam monkey stick directly at EnergyGem.

See for yourselves http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...=Google+Search

[EnergyGem]

Lightblue wrote:

i don't think there's karma as such..i think the idea must have been planted by the "spiritual" elite keen on controlling everything and everyone - so you can never pay off your (karmic) debt and always be in the service to "higher ups " i.e. paying for something just because you are walking the face of the earth...just like hurritt put it....it's one of the enslavement strategies waged on humanity... an impossible concept l

All the upright teachings of the past taught that man had fallen from the heavens for committing wrongdoing. Didn't Jesus teach that mankind has sins? Sins is just another word for Karma. In this long long cycle of your souls reincarnation couldn't it have occurred that in your past lives you took advantage of someone, hurt someone or did other bad things? Ofcourse In this current age all of us has karma/sins and one needs to spiritually purify oneself to shed his karma and gain virtue and then one can lighten ones heart and mind, gain wisdom and raise oneself spiritually, mentally and physically to happier and brighter futures.

In terms of the spiritual elite, if you are referring to the various groups such as the Illuminati and such, they are not elite at all. What happens with these people and what they have come to realize as well is that Karma is a type of energy too, and if you amass enough Karma it can restrain and control ordinary people but compared to a cultivator or one that is spiritually perfecting oneself and has alot of Virtue they are nothing, they are actually all really low level and what awaits them is total destruction of body and soul or what the ancients call Entering the Gate of no life. If one amasses too much Karma it is called evil beyond forgiveness and even his soul is destroyed and he can never live again. So what the supposed 'elite' are doing is actually destroying there own futures and chances for a bright future but from their own levels they cannot see this principle and continue on in there selfish pursuits.


Anno wrote:

A true healer knows that everyone heals themselves. You can't heal anyone else. All genuine healers/teachers say this. Those who offer a panacea generally turn out to be false gurus.

I'm also a bit confused about the Qi Gong reference. Qi Gong is simply internal Kung Fu. Taught by Bodhidharma to his monks. They were unable to practice meditation and Kung Fu for long periods as they'd become very weak so he taught them Qi Gong to strengthen their bodies (hence internal Kung Fu). The most effective exercises were taken later by the Shaolin Monks and are now used in all those cool tricks you see them doing at the Chinese State Circus.

If you want to learn Qi Gong I recommend the book 'The Root of Chinese Qi Gong' by Dr Yang, Jwing-Ming or the DVD series by Shifu Yan Lei if you want practical exercises. Neither of whom mention aliens, neither of whom claim any special power to heal you. Both of whom explain the simple practice of Qi Gong for strengthening the body and improving health.

It seems to me that Qi Gong is being twisted into something else here. This guy seems to be assuming we in the west are ignorant of this knowledge and is re-packaging Qi Gong into the alternative community as a self defence system against aliens. Epic fail.

Thanks for the post though and welcome to Nexus newbies!

Your quite right Anno, a true healer does indeed get one to purify and heal oneself and this is indeed how Falun Dafa practictioners go about their cultivation. They practice the set of Qi Gong exercises which in turn energize, heal and open up one's energy channels so in effect one is healing oneself by practicing, however they don't refer to it as healing but 'purifying' the body which is just the initial stage or building up a strong foundation and a healthy and energized body. Healing others in Falun Dafa is not allowed as people may try to use there abilities to make money and other bad things and money is not allowed to be made from Falun Dafa. It is to be shared with people free of charge and is totally open, if one wants to practice they can, if not thats fine too, any teaching that forces someone to do something is a wicked practice.

Your also right that most Qi Gong is for healing and fitness but Falun Dafa is actually a higher form of Qi Gong, it is for what the ancients referred to as attaining the Dao, to spiritually perfect oneself, awaken and strengthen ones innate supernatural abilites, and return back to the Truth. I recommend checking out the Time Asia interview I posted in my original post to get a feel of what this Qi Gong is trully about and then checking out the book Zhuan Falun if your interested in learning more.

Falun Dafa is actually very ancient, it used to be passed down in secret in a lineage type way by the Buddha Masters from a time long long ago, only recently has it once again been given to the secular world so that people can heal and awaken themselves and their true natures which are inherently good and kind.

Anno wrote:

Hmmmmm. Captain Cynical here. I was a little suspicious of the OP EnergyGem. The core exercises of Qi Gong are known as the eight jewels. Jewel/Gem. Qi = Energy. Energy Jewel, Energy Gem. So I went to google and searched for Posted By EnergyGem and saw that they've spent the last week or so joining all sorts of alien forums and have been posting this same post but haven't been active in other threads. I don't like to accuse anyone of being a spam monkey, especially new posters as we need new members and I don't want them to think we'll jump all over them, but, on this occasion I'm pointing the spam monkey stick directly at EnergyGem.

See for yourselves http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...=Google+Search

Indeed I have been sharing this information on many forums but it is mainly to get this information to as many people as possible as I think it can help people. Even if they don't want to cultivate and aren't interested in cultivating themselves, it's still a very powerful and interesting piece of information on the Alien Agenda from a Buddha Masters perspective. It does also seem to correlate well with what the Gnostics were saying and what alot of the cutting edge Alien Abduction researches are pointing towards, that indeed there is an alien intrusion and infiltration being orchestrated upon mankind.

[Anno]

Hi EnergyGem, thank you for your honesty and calm response. I'm glad to see that the books are available for free online to those who want them and that paid for print versions are optional. This re-assures me somewhat. I look forward to reading them and seeing more fully what this is all about. I trust that you will be sticking around to answer questions and that you will also be taking part in other threads? If you are indeed interested in learning then you will find many perspectives here.

Can you please tell us about your connection to Falun Dafa? How did you come to be involved with it?

I see that it has been around for a good few years now and there are many established practitioners offering lessons in the west. Can you tell us more about these lessons? For example, how many lessons would one expect to take before achieving a level of proficiency? Are there members or practitioners from the countries that Nexus members are in that would like to come here and talk to us directly about it? I see there are many in the US, Canada, Australia and UK.

[Anno]

Re the healing powers:

When talking about healing illnesses, I am not teaching you how to cure diseases. All the genuine
disciples of Falun Dafa should not treat patients. As soon as you do it, all the materials of Falun Dafa
planted into your body will be taken back by my Law body. Why is this issue taken so seriously?
Because it is a phenomenon that does harm to Dafa. Not only will it harm your health, but some
people can not help treating patients once they begin to do so. They will grab any one they catch sight
of and begin to cure diseases and show off. Isn't it an attachment? This seriously hinders their
cultivation.

Page 150 of Zhuan Falun

I'm thinking that the lines we're seeing about him healing people is coming across badly in translation. Perhaps it means his teaching or practice rather than the guy himself.

[EnergyGem]

Anno wrote:

Hi EnergyGem, thank you for your honesty and calm response. I'm glad to see that the books are available for free online to those who want them and that paid for print versions are optional. This re-assures me somewhat. I look forward to reading them and seeing more fully what this is all about. I trust that you will be sticking around to answer questions and that you will also be taking part in other threads? If you are indeed interested in learning then you will find many perspectives here.

Can you please tell us about your connection to Falun Dafa? How did you come to be involved with it?

I see that it has been around for a good few years now and there are many established practitioners offering lessons in the west. Can you tell us more about these lessons? For example, how many lessons would one expect to take before achieving a level of proficiency? Are there members or practitioners from the countries that Nexus members are in that would like to come here and talk to us directly about it? I see there are many in the US, Canada, Australia and UK.

Hi Anno,

Yes all the books, exercise videos and audio lectures are free to download. The hardcopy versions do carry a little covercharge due to the production costs. I'm glad your going to check it out, I personally practice it myself and it has definitely increased my energy levels and overall happiness.

I actually found out about Falun Dafa by stumbling upon that Time Asia Interview I linked to in my original post. I thought this practice sounded interesting and at the same time I have never heard a Buddha Master talk about aliens before so I had a sense this Qi Gong must be quite powerful if he is expounding such high level things to the public.

In regards to the the lessons and how to learn this practice. The best way is to check if there is a Falun Dafa practice site near your area, there are many of them all over the world now and they will gladly teach you the exercises and explain Falun Dafa to you in greater detail for free. You can find your nearest Practice site here:

http://www.falundafa.org/eng/contacts/area/index.html

One can practice on there own aswell if they like, the good thing about practicing in a group though is that you can share and discuss ideas and learn from other practitioners.

There's also a really powerful audio lecture on the Falun Dafa website which expounds in great detail on what this practice is all about, you can download it here:

http://www.falundafa.org/eng/audiovideo_9day.html

The book 'Zhuan Falun' is the core of the teaching however, it explains in detail what Falun Dafa is all about aswell a myriad of other fascinating things. Many people feel more energy, healthier and happier from the practice. Some people even alleviate serious health issues in just a few weeks of practicing like is mentioned in the book "Life and Hope Renewed: The Healing Power of Falun Dafa" which I linked to in my previous post. A key in the practice however, is that one just practices free of pursuit or intent and let things happen naturally. There are no set times when one practices, you can do the exercises and read the book whenever you have free time.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

[reaver]

The story itself is fascinating, but I find it extremely suspicious at the same time. Once I start to see a movement which gathers millions I start to think of cults. You could argue that the movement was supressed by the communist party, but then again back in history the Spanish came to America and erradicated the Mayans, Aztecs, Incas and to be frank, those empires were sadistic themselves. What happened back then is that a bigger bully arrived in town, you know big fish eats small fish.

I suspect Falun Dafa was taking power away from the established "mafias", in the form of a cult. Big fish didn't like to see competition, so they supressed the movement... or maybe Falun Dafa got corrupted eventually, just as it has happened with a lot of philosophical systems/religions.

Then you ought to let some guru do the heavy lifting for you while you hope that Karma comes around and save the day for us little humans. If the practitioners of Falun Dafa couldn't even stop the chinese communist party, then how the fuck do they expect to stop some interdimensional beings?

As for their health improving, I'm not surprised. If anything the chinese arts have an impressive knowledge on the human body. I practiced Chi Kung for a while and in a week you can feel the benefits assuming you have a good teacher.

I feel Falun Dafa uses some truth and helpful practices so at the end of the day you end up in some new cage.

[reaver]

All the upright teachings of the past taught that man had fallen from the heavens for committing wrongdoing. Didn't Jesus teach that mankind has sins? Sins is just another word for Karma. In this long long cycle of your souls reincarnation couldn't it have occurred that in your past lives you took advantage of someone, hurt someone or did other bad things? Ofcourse In this current age all of us has karma/sins and one needs to spiritually purify oneself to shed his karma and gain virtue and then one can lighten ones heart and mind, gain wisdom and raise oneself spiritually, mentally and physically to happier and brighter futures.

Karma in the conventional sense is a great mechanism for control and it's an excellent hope for fools. The idea of Karma is not the same as the christian conception of Sins and quite frankly the comparisson can be quite non sensical at some point. You have to remember that exoteric christianity does not believe in reincarnation, for them there's just one life time and you can end up in one of three places: Heaven, hell or purgatory. The latter offers opportunity for redemption by bending your ass to some psychopathic god. The typical conception of Karma is related to the idea of constant reincarnation and the purification of one's soul/essence by doing good deeds whereas doing bad deeds fucks you up and the debt piles up... for some reason it reminds me of compund interest.

At the end of the day the versions fed to the masses only serve to make them submissive by blowing the awareness of the present moment into oblivion and by making people anxious. The abrahamanists are too worried about kissing the demiurge's ass while the Dharmics are too worried about accumulating good deeds while they hope to be born rich and pure in some distant life time, while they dream about this they can become anxious about their karmic debt coming from past lifes even though they can't remember shit. Just have a look at the history of this world and tell me if the idea of Sins or Karma has prevented or cured the ills of this world. I'd say they have only contributed to fuck things up, at least in the conventional interpretations.

In terms of the spiritual elite, if you are referring to the various groups such as the Illuminati and such, they are not elite at all. What happens with these people and what they have come to realize as well is that Karma is a type of energy too, and if you amass enough Karma it can restrain and control ordinary people but compared to a cultivator or one that is spiritually perfecting oneself and has alot of Virtue they are nothing, they are actually all really low level and what awaits them is total destruction of body and soul or what the ancients call Entering the Gate of no life. If one amasses too much Karma it is called evil beyond forgiveness and even his soul is destroyed and he can never live again. So what the supposed 'elite' are doing is actually destroying there own futures and chances for a bright future but from their own levels they cannot see this principle and continue on in there selfish pursuits.

Yeah I mean they just have managed to get away with it for tens of thousands of years at least. Meanwhile you can pray so Karma takes action and maybe in a few eons they will self destruct. Look I get that on a cosmic scale they are no better than useless bacteria, but while you are on this plane they'll fuck you up, some people are more brutalized than others. I mean those fuckers must be getting some good Dharma since their dynasties have been on top for so long while everyone else takes it. Oh yeah but don't worry, their future is gonna be erradicated while the awareness your present moment is blown into oblvion in exchange for Karmic retribution and the promise of a bright future.

Oh but then we have a little problem, don't we? who says when there is too much Karma? By whose authority is a deed considered good or bad? See now we are erradicating self responsibility.

[EnergyGem]

reaver:

The story itself is fascinating, but I find it extremely suspicious at the same time. Once I start to see a movement which gathers millions I start to think of cults. You could argue that the movement was supressed by the communist party, but then again back in history the Spanish came to America and erradicated the Mayans, Aztecs, Incas and to be frank, those empires were sadistic themselves. What happened back then is that a bigger bully arrived in town, you know big fish eats small fish.

I suspect Falun Dafa was taking power away from the established "mafias", in the form of a cult. Big fish didn't like to see competition, so they supressed the movement... or maybe Falun Dafa got corrupted eventually, just as it has happened with a lot of philosophical systems/religions.

Then you ought to let some guru do the heavy lifting for you while you hope that Karma comes around and save the day for us little humans. If the practitioners of Falun Dafa couldn't even stop the chinese communist party, then how the fuck do they expect to stop some interdimensional beings?

As for their health improving, I'm not surprised. If anything the chinese arts have an impressive knowledge on the human body. I practiced Chi Kung for a while and in a week you can feel the benefits assuming you have a good teacher.

I feel Falun Dafa uses some truth and helpful practices so at the end of the day you end up in some new cage.

Your quite correct reaver, the Mayan/Aztec societies indeed become very indulgent, corrupt and demonic during their later stages and were thus eradicated. The Spanish settlers where Catholic and they could see that what these societies had descended to a very vile level. In Jesus's time he never wanted to form religions and so forth, he just wanted people to be good and wanted their minds and hearts to return to righteousness. People after Jesus's time created religions to honour Jesus and his teachings however God's do not care about formalities like religions, they just look at a persons mind and heart. But in saying that religions when practiced Truthfully and without corruption can allow mankinds morality to stay at a reasonably high level. The Spanish settlers certainly weren't perfect but their society still was far more moral then what the Aztec's became, they didn't sacrifice live people to appease there 'God' so to speak.

Falun Dafa is actually based on the principles of "Truthfulness" "Compassion" and "Forebearance". No money is involved, people practice when and where they choose and people come and go as they choose, no one forces anyone to practice. How is that a cult? Cults usually have members join them for money or power or other evil things and they make it so you cannot leave or other bad things like that. That is what a cult usually refers to.

What has been seen however is that many people that abide by the virtues of Falun Dafa and practice the exercises have many of there ilnesses healed and other good things like lighter moods and calmer, happier hearts. This is what a True and Good Cultivation technique manifests. Countless people attest to the healing and curative effects of Dafa as can be found here:

http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/artic...4/3/59184.html

Many teachings and religions talk about man having sins, it isn't just Christianity but Judaism, Buddhism, Islam and various others teach that man is prone to sin or do bad things. From another Lecture by Master Li Hongzhi he expounds on the concept of sins a little more:

“Let me tell you what compassion is. People in the society of ordinary people think that if they live quite comfortably with no disasters or hardships, if each day is pleasant and carefree, and if they’re not short of money and have everything they need, then God is compassionate toward them and is being really good to them. Let me tell you though, that God isn’t like that. If He were really that way, He would be being terrible to people.

That’s because human reasoning is totally reversed. You know that people living in this world are bound to have social interactions, and so they will accrue karma. Jesus said that people have sins. Because they have sins they dropped down to this dimension of ordinary people. They are accruing karma in this dimension and committing sins lifetime after lifetime. By wanting to be comfortable, aren’t you unwilling to pay for your karma?

If you don’t pay for the karma and you accrue more in this life, in your next life you won’t even get a human body—you might reincarnate into something worse. And if you accrue still more karma you can only fall towards hell. If you fall even further you will be destroyed. Then when it’s looked at in light of this principle, tell me, how should God treat you if he is to be considered “good to you”? That’s what causality is.

What do I view as true compassion (cibei), then? If a person is truly good, he will encounter many, many hardships in this life. The goal is to have him pay his karmic debts in the midst of these hardships, to seize this lifetime in which he has a human body and quickly pay for all of it. After all debts are repaid he can go up to a heavenly paradise to enjoy happiness forever. So he will suffer when among ordinary people.

Think about it, then: What is true compassion? Buddhas ’ take on things is completely different from that of human beings. Ordinary people think that Buddhas or Gods are compassionate to people if they let them enjoy ordinary, human fortune. They complain to heaven and earth when they suffer, “Oh, God, why do you forsake me? I’m a lost soul! ” By having you pay for karma , God is taking care of you so that you may return. How wonderful it is to return to a place where there is no birth , annihilation, or falling downwards. That is true compassion”.

It was also said that Jesus died on the cross to bear the burden of the many karmik knots or 'sins' that were tied to his body and that he payed for his disciples sins through suffering. Actually there was a lecture done by Master Li Hongzhi and he did talk about Jesus and his crucifiction:

Say a person came to the world and has reincarnated lifetime after lifetime . You have no idea how many lives and how many lifetimes you’ve been through. But in each and every lifetime you have accrued many debts to others and done much wrong. Some people came from various levels and have reincarnated onto this earth. They did wrong things as they were descending step by step, which is to say they’ve spent time in some high-level dimensions.

Why couldn’t they remain in those dimensions? It’s because over there they again did bad things and descended further; they did bad things again and descended even further. So the debts accrued from doing wrong in the heavens were owed to gods. The gods in the heavens won’t allow a human being to return to the heavens! Without a Master to teach you, without a master looking after you, you could never return no matter how great your abilities.

After coming to th e earth it’s forever impossible to return if you aren’t taken care of by the kind of master who truly saves people. That’s because even if you could really pay for the karma of the human world, you still couldn’t pay for what is owed in the heavens. Jesus wanted to save people and had great mercy, so he ignored all of that. He then had to undo those hard-to-undo karmic knots that were tied onto people.

Yet in this universe there’s a law that states: “Those who don’t lose, don’t gain ; to gain, you must lose ; what is owed must be repaid.” That’s absolute, it’s an absolute and eternal law. Accordingly, if you release a person from it, who will pay for his debts? So those accounts or all of those debts naturally fell on Jesus . “You untied it for them, then you pay for it on their behalf.” All of the knots that couldn’t be undone, everything that was owed, and the things that those people being saved simply had no way to free themselves from, all of it was fastened onto Jesus since he was on the earth.

There were karmic debts from all different levels; meaning, they weren’t only from here, among humans. What extent did it finally reach? The more people he saved, the more knots he carried. He simply had no way to free himself, nor did he have the energy to do those things . The knots couldn’t be untied.

So in the end, Jesus saved those people, but his own human body couldn’t be freed. Jesus thus had no choice but to abandon this body to pay th e karmic debt s for them. A lot of lives’ karma as well as great hatred all landed on Jesus. “Alright, I will pay them for all believers.” He was crucified and died an agonizing death. All knots were bound to his flesh body, and with the death of his flesh body they were released. Jesus was freed the moment that body was cast off. That’s why Jesus had to be crucified, and why people say Jesus suffered for people. That’s the reason.”

“There are Christians in various parts of the world who, whenever the anniversary of Jesus' suffering and death comes around, they hold an event where some people actually nail themselves to a cross. Maybe they do that to show their god that they, too, experience that suffering. But that's absolutely different from what Jesus suffered. So why is it different? When Jesus was crucified, human beings could not see that he was atoning for human beings' sins, and that an enormous amount of sin and karma from a great number of people was pressing down on him--both the number and the amount were huge, and it was extremely dense. That was what caused him such enormous suffering.

At that time, were he not tortured he still wouldn't have been able to stand steadily. His burden was so great that even to breathe was a challenge. The kind of suffering that came from the pressure from sentient beings' enormous amount of sin and karma, the horrible mental trauma, and the reactions from the harm inflicted upon each cell in his body--those are not things an ordinary person could withstand. That's not something ordinary people could withstand. And imagine what it was like for him to be crucified on top of such agony. [Some things that seem] the same are actually beyond what ordinary people can imagine. [Some things may] appear to be very similar to ordinary people's things, when in fact the situation behind them is completely different--they are like night and day.”

I have already mentioned this but if anyone is interested in the other lectures given by Master Li Honzhi around the world you can find them all here: http://falundafa.org/eng/books.html

What you mentioned about Falun Dafa been unable to resist or stop the Chines Communist Party is not true. The CCP has one of the strongest armies, police and economies in the world aswell as some of the harshest prisons conditions in the world. It manages to quell most dissent very quickly, within a few days.

It has placed a vast amount of resources in trying to crush Falun Dafa and it's people yet it can't. It can't do anything against them and instead Falun Dafa has now spread to many other countries and has been translated to over 40 languages worldwide. The CCP is actually petrified of Falun Dafa, it knows that the evil deeds that it has been involved with are now being exposed worldwide and it is been shown to the world what this Party truly is, an evil demonic frightened wretch that wants to crush Goodness and Kindness.

Why can't the Communist Party destroy Falun Dafa? It's the same reason why the Roman's couldn't destroy the Christianity in the past. Once people awaken to the Truth and Goodness in their hearts they will protect and guard it with their lives.

As for the alien beings, I feel they are already being taken care of as was expounded in my original lecture excerpts.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem:

All the upright teachings of the past taught that man had fallen from the heavens for committing wrongdoing. Didn't Jesus teach that mankind has sins? Sins is just another word for Karma. In this long long cycle of your souls reincarnation couldn't it have occurred that in your past lives you took advantage of someone, hurt someone or did other bad things? Ofcourse In this current age all of us has karma/sins and one needs to spiritually purify oneself to shed his karma and gain virtue and then one can lighten ones heart and mind, gain wisdom and raise oneself spiritually, mentally and physically to happier and brighter futures.
Karma in the conventional sense is a great mechanism for control and it's an excellent hope for fools. The idea of Karma is not the same as the christian conception of Sins and quite frankly the comparisson can be quite non sensical at some point. You have to remember that exoteric christianity does not believe in reincarnation, for them there's just one life time and you can end up in one of three places: Heaven, hell or purgatory. The latter offers opportunity for redemption by bending your ass to some psychopathic god. The typical conception of Karma is related to the idea of constant reincarnation and the purification of one's soul/essence by doing good deeds whereas doing bad deeds fucks you up and the debt piles up... for some reason it reminds me of compund interest.

Reaver wrote:

At the end of the day the versions fed to the masses only serve to make them submissive by blowing the awareness of the present moment into oblivion and by making people anxious. The abrahamanists are too worried about kissing the demiurge's ass while the Dharmics are too worried about accumulating good deeds while they hope to be born rich and pure in some distant life time, while they dream about this they can become anxious about their karmic debt coming from past lifes even though they can't remember shit. Just have a look at the history of this world and tell me if the idea of Sins or Karma has prevented or cured the ills of this world. I'd say they have only contributed to fuck things up, at least in the conventional interpretations.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem:

In terms of the spiritual elite, if you are referring to the various groups such as the Illuminati and such, they are not elite at all. What happens with these people and what they have come to realize as well is that Karma is a type of energy too, and if you amass enough Karma it can restrain and control ordinary people but compared to a cultivator or one that is spiritually perfecting oneself and has alot of Virtue they are nothing, they are actually all really low level and what awaits them is total destruction of body and soul or what the ancients call Entering the Gate of no life. If one amasses too much Karma it is called evil beyond forgiveness and even his soul is destroyed and he can never live again. So what the supposed 'elite' are doing is actually destroying there own futures and chances for a bright future but from their own levels they cannot see this principle and continue on in there selfish pursuits.

Reaver wrote:

Yeah I mean they just have managed to get away with it for tens of thousands of years at least. Meanwhile you can pray so Karma takes action and maybe in a few eons they will self destruct. Look I get that on a cosmic scale they are no better than useless bacteria, but while you are on this plane they'll fuck you up, some people are more brutalized than others. I mean those fuckers must be getting some good Dharma since their dynasties have been on top for so long while everyone else takes it. Oh yeah but don't worry, their future is gonna be erradicated while the awareness your present moment is blown into oblvion in exchange for Karmic retribution and the promise of a bright future.

Oh but then we have a little problem, don't we? who says when there is too much Karma? By whose authority is a deed considered good or bad? See now we are erradicating self responsibility.

The concepts of sins and karma being a universal law of the universe is taught by all the various upright saints and enlightened ones in the past. To understand this concept a little more I have managed to find a few more lecture exceprts on this topic:

“ I’ve told you that, regardless of whether it’s Jesus, St. Mary, Yahweh (whose ability exceeds that of even the previous two), or the Buddhas in Eastern religions, with a wave of the hand there wouldn’t be one single sick person on this tiny Earth. Why aren’t they being compassionate and doing that for people? Because people themselves are doing bad things. Of course, this isn’t to punish people—it’s the principle of the universe evaluating all beings. Since humans have done bad things, they have to pay for them themselves. Suppose you killed someone, and a Buddha eliminated the karma for you.

Then, would it mean that you’re allowed to kill people as you please? How could it be acceptable for a Buddha to eliminate your diseases as soon as you had killed people and generated karma? When people do bad things they have to pay for it and bear the responsibility. But when people have done bad things, the most obvious manifestation of it in the human body is sickness, which is used to punish people.

I’m not the only one saying this—Jesus also said that people have sins. Why do people have sins? It’s exactly because people have karma in their bodies. Western culture doesn’t have the word “karma”—there’s no such word in Western culture. So Jesus used the word “sin” to illustrate the general point. In fact, isn’t having karma the same as having sins? Without sins, how could there be karma? It’s the same idea.”

“Karma not only manifests in our ordinary human society, that is, in the human world. The positive and the negative coexist in all matter. Where there are Buddhas, there are also demons; where there are human beings, there are ghosts; where there are good people, there are bad people; where there are believers, there are doubters; where there is support, there is opposition. Even when it comes to human beings, there are males and females.

Everything exists in opposition to something else, and everything has a yin-yang relationship—that is, a relationship of mutual-generation and mutual-inhibition. So when people do wicked deeds they definitely produce bad karma, and their thoughts are evil. In Buddhism they differentiate between good karma and bad karma. I’ve found that even the good karma that people talk about has two sides to it, one positive and one negative.

Let’s talk about Buddhism during a relatively good period in history. It was a cultivation group then, and everyone safeguarded the cultivation group with kindness. But if someone tried to damage or attack it, they would, like others, take corresponding measures to protect themselves. So it also had a negative side, which was the evil side: If you damage my monastery, I may risk my life fighting you; if you harm our monks or disciples, I’ll retaliate fiercely. That is, even in good deeds, a negative side, or the evil side, always existed. So, strictly speaking, their idea of good karma and bad karma isn’t comprehensive. They only have the ability to talk about it in a general sense.

In order to articulate how the positive substances and the negative substances precisely play out and how they truly manifest, we call the best part—what’s most meaningful to human beings and most beneficial to cultivators, as it can be directly transformed into gong (cultivation energy), virtue (de). And in fact, it really is the virtue normally talked about. As for karma, we use the term to refer to all bad karma, the evil side of “good karma,” the evil side of things, and all things that belong to the negative side. It’s more accurate to refer to them this way.

As for a person’s mind-intent, if a bad thought arises in an everyday person’s mind, if he intends to do something bad but doesn’t take action, or if no bad outcome occurs, then no karma is produced. If he doesn’t succeed in doing it, he doesn’t produce karma; if he does succeed in doing it, he produces karma. And that karma will manifest in his body and in the field around his body. However, when a person has a bad thought, thought-karma is produced in his mind. That’s why thoughts about bad-mouthing someone, about opposing or doubting, or about wavering in your own cultivation, and so on, arise in the minds of our cultivators and disrupt them.”

“The phenomenon of retribution in the same lifetime existed before and will continue to exist in the future. Minor misbehavior may result in retribution in the same lifetime. After a person does something bad, he falls hard when he walks out the door, or is hit by something when he steps outside. Although the degree of severity can vary, he’s still being punished. People usually don’t believe in the existence of high-level beings in other dimensions, so they think that what happened was accidental. They recognize only humans as intelligent beings. How absurd people have become! There are lives everywhere in this universe.

People commit bad deeds and do things as they please; when someone becomes like that, retribution in the same lifetime becomes less frequent. So what will happen? He’ll accumulate karma, and accrue more and more of it. When there gets to be too much karma, his life will be shortened. The more karma he has, the more his life will be shortened, and additional karma will shorten his life further. For example, for people who’ve done too many bad things and have become “evil beyond forgiveness,” although they die in this world, they will continue to be exterminated in other dimensions until they’ve paid off all of their karma—there are numerous ways of being exterminated. In other words, they have to pay for everything. That’s really horrifying.”

“Nothing that happens on earth, that is, nothing that happens in human society is accidental. You know, to prevent humans from prematurely deteriorating to the point of being destroyed—[in other words,] to sustain human lives and maximally allow people to return again when reincarnating and not descend to Hell and eventually meet with annihilation—gods in the past continually helped humans pay off their karma.

That isn’t known to man. As gods helped man pay off his karma, they also helped society, matter, and all beings pay off their karma. Even some matter has karma. For example, say that a person has done bad deeds. He dies and his karma follows him—it follows his being. Then he won’t be able to reincarnate as a human in his next life. If he reincarnates as a tree, that tree will have karma. If he reincarnates as an animal, that animal will have karma.

By the same token, this means that if he reincarnates as some kind of material, that matter will have karma too. I’d say if you could open your eyes and take a look at the world, you almost couldn’t live here—there is karma billowing everywhere. What happens if man’s karma becomes too massive? Gods won’t come to the human world to directly eliminate karma for human beings. Karma elimination can’t be unconditional—the universe has this law. So gods uphold the laws of the universe when they do things.

The universe has a law. What’s it called? It’s called “no loss, no gain.” To gain, one has to lose. So if you want to eliminate karma for man, people will have to bear the karma. If you don’t help them pay off their karma they will accumulate more and more of it. If the karma becomes enormous, it’s called “evil beyond forgiveness.” Annihilation is what comes after the state of evil beyond forgiveness is reached. The person’s existence will be annihilated and not allowed to continue—it will be completely annihilated. So if you want to eliminate karma for humans so as to protect them, they have to endure the suffering of paying off their karma.

How are they to suffer? They have to endure natural disasters, man-made calamities, and disease. In fact, let me tell you a truth: If a person doesn’t get sick, if that person doesn’t get ill once during his lifetime, he is one-hundred percent guaranteed to descend to Hell after he dies. That’s because a person produces karma while he’s alive. It’s just like what Jesus said: Man has sins. People are in danger if they only produce karma and don’t pay it off. That’s why people get sick and have misfortune. What happens when people on a large scale have accumulated karma? Earthquakes, fires, floods, and even plagues and wars.”

[reaver]

Fucking hell this Falun Dafa mambo jumbo is really dangerous.

Your quite correct reaver, the Mayan/Aztec societies indeed become very indulgent, corrupt and demonic during their later stages and were thus eradicated. The Spanish settlers where Catholic and they could see that what these societies had descended to a very vile level. In Jesus's time he never wanted to form religions and so forth, he just wanted people to be good and wanted their minds and hearts to return to righteousness. People after Jesus's time created religions to honour Jesus and his teachings however God's do not care about formalities like religions, they just look at a persons mind and heart. But in saying that religions when practiced Truthfully and without corruption can allow mankinds morality to stay at a reasonably high level. The Spanish settlers certainly weren't perfect but their society still was far more moral then what the Aztec's became, they didn't sacrifice live people to appease there 'God' so to speak.

Taking the story of Jesus in a literal sense is really dangerous and then you can end up with something like the Vatican. Simply put the literal versions and their cute stories are fed to people who are too stupid to think. The people who created institutionalized christianity didn't want to honour some man in rags, they developed one of the finest tools for control the world has ever seen. The spanish society wasn't far more moral than the Aztecs nor Mayans, they just had better technology. The inquisition began in the 12th century and it was used as a tool of mass murder and control, it didn't matter if you were christian, pagan or muslim, a lot of the Inquisition's trials ended up with public executions . The crusades had sacrifices to them, erradicate the infidels in the name of the Lord... and that's just the tip of the iceberg... so to the idea that the spanish society with their christian BS were far more moral than the societies in the American continent is quite laughable.

Falun Dafa is actually based on the principles of "Truthfulness" "Compassion" and "Forebearance". No money is involved, people practice when and where they choose and people come and go as they choose, no one forces anyone to practice. How is that a cult? Cults usually have members join them for money or power or other evil things and they make it so you cannot leave or other bad things like that. That is what a cult usually refers to.

Yeah anyone can start a new religion/doctrine/system and promote ideas of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forebearance. Hell those are principles found in organized religion. If you think that a cult is just about making money then you are terribly mistaken. Cults are not limited to "freaky stuff" like the Jim Jones crap. One of the core elements of a cult is the erradication of individuality by letting the leader figure/idea absorb it. Politics is a form of cult, fashion industry is a cult, the film industry is a cult and it's not like they go on forcing people at gun point to buy into it.

You don't need to charge money to start a psychological tyranny, you only need to own people's minds. It's not good to have people's money if you can't own their minds, simple as that. Now in the current paradigm not many would see politics, fashion nor films as permutations of cults because they are the norm and those people are fucking insane and they happen to live within an insane environment.

Culture, cultural, cult. The term may be relatively new, but the dynamics are really ancient.

What has been seen however is that many people that abide by the virtues of Falun Dafa and practice the exercises have many of there ilnesses healed and other good things like lighter moods and calmer, happier hearts. This is what a True and Good Cultivation technique manifests. Countless people attest to the healing and curative effects of Dafa as can be found here:

So thousands of christians claim to healed by intense prayer and they claim to be more happy than ever. Countless people attest to the healing and curative effects of christian prayers. Again Falun Dafa has elements from Chi Kung so it is nothing extraordinary

From the link you provided:

Falun Dafa, also known as Falun Gong, is practiced by millions of people around the world. You may have read about it in the news, or perhaps come across Falun Dafa practitioners at a parade or some other civic event. It's also common to see a group of practitioners gathered in a park doing the gentle, slow moving exercises or sitting with their legs crossed in meditation.

This is a marketing technique which plays on popular conceptions people have, especially the western mind-set.

Most people who practice the exercises daily and follow the teachings of Falun Dafa report improvements in their health. Often, these improvements are subtle, involving such things as relief from stress, better sleep, a "lighter" and more energetic feeling, and happier moods. Many others, though, such as those whose stories are collected in this book, report dramatic health improvements, including the disappearance of life-threatening diseases.

Chi Kung and Tai Chi have these same effects, then again this shouldn't be mistaken for "psychological/spiritual" medicine. There are people who are in a terrific physical condition, but they are a mess in the inside. This includes people who follow Eastern methods too.

Many teachings and religions talk about man having sins, it isn't just Christianity but Judaism, Buddhism, Islam and various others teach that man is prone to sin or do bad things. From another Lecture by Master Li Hongzhi he expounds on the concept of sins a little more:

Yeah they cause the individual to feel guilty, no wonder that similar patterns are found throught many religions. To say that humans are inherently flawed does wonders for the rulers of the masses.

“Let me tell you what compassion is. People in the society of ordinary people think that if they live quite comfortably with no disasters or hardships, if each day is pleasant and carefree, and if they’re not short of money and have everything they need, then God is compassionate toward them and is being really good to them. Let me tell you though, that God isn’t like that. If He were really that way, He would be being terrible to people.

What god is he talking about anyways? Zeus? Jehova? Seth? Loki? Thor? Santa Claus? Elvis Presley?

That’s because human reasoning is totally reversed. You know that people living in this world are bound to have social interactions, and so they will accrue karma. Jesus said that people have sins. Because they have sins they dropped down to this dimension of ordinary people. They are accruing karma in this dimension and committing sins lifetime after lifetime. By wanting to be comfortable, aren’t you unwilling to pay for your karma?

Ah yes, people are bound to have social interactions so they are fucked, they'll get Karma. This guy doesn't even know what he's talking about when he brings Jesus into the equation. In the typical christian conception Humans are in this world because a woman and a man ate a fucking apple and the psychopathic demiurge didn't like to see his serfs eat from his apple tree. So the human race ended up here because of a prissy little bitch aka Jehova. Oh yes dare anyone try to improve their physical conditions because then they accumulate Karma, they must suffer and learn to love suffering... guess how the rulers of the East have managed to mantain power.

If you don’t pay for the karma and you accrue more in this life, in your next life you won’t even get a human body—you might reincarnate into something worse. And if you accrue still more karma you can only fall towards hell. If you fall even further you will be destroyed. Then when it’s looked at in light of this principle, tell me, how should God treat you if he is to be considered “good to you”? That’s what causality is.

Yeah so that's an easy way to explain the state of decay of this world. I mean this crap is like compund interest. Humans are bound to have social interactions which in turn is bound to create Karma... rinse and repeat through "God" knows how many lifetimes and now you reincarnate as a motherfucking leprechaun. And hey look! he plays around the idea of self destruction if you don't become a goody-two-shoes.

What do I view as true compassion (cibei), then? If a person is truly good, he will encounter many, many hardships in this life. The goal is to have him pay his karmic debts in the midst of these hardships, to seize this lifetime in which he has a human body and quickly pay for all of it. After all debts are repaid he can go up to a heavenly paradise to enjoy happiness forever. So he will suffer when among ordinary people.

What a twisted logic, if you are really good then you must suffer and get raped by the cultural leviathan. I bet the victims of the Inquisition paid off all their debts real quick. This is fucking stupid, if this Karma shit was true then why the hell are there billions of people in deep shit? Think TPTB there haven't been many of them when you compare their numbers. You would think that at this point in time there would't be as many people being opressed... but guess what? it's the other way around. And yes after your psyche has been completly fucked you can dream about tomorrow's paradise, you can't have a today.

Think about it, then: What is true compassion? Buddhas ’ take on things is completely different from that of human beings. Ordinary people think that Buddhas or Gods are compassionate to people if they let them enjoy ordinary, human fortune. They complain to heaven and earth when they suffer, “Oh, God, why do you forsake me? I’m a lost soul! ” By having you pay for karma , God is taking care of you so that you may return. How wonderful it is to return to a place where there is no birth , annihilation, or falling downwards. That is true compassion”.

Lol that's an Orwellian god. I don't see how self annihiliation is true compassion, if anything that's true psychopathy or self-sadism.

Say a person came to the world and has reincarnated lifetime after lifetime . You have no idea how many lives and how many lifetimes you’ve been through. But in each and every lifetime you have accrued many debts to others and done much wrong. Some people came from various levels and have reincarnated onto this earth. They did wrong things as they were descending step by step, which is to say they’ve spent time in some high-level dimensions.

Why couldn’t they remain in those dimensions? It’s because over there they again did bad things and descended further; they did bad things again and descended even further. So the debts accrued from doing wrong in the heavens were owed to gods. The gods in the heavens won’t allow a human being to return to the heavens! Without a Master to teach you, without a master looking after you, you could never return no matter how great your abilities.

Modern day bankers would be proud of this bullshit, heck this is their wet dream. Basiclly you are really fucked because not only you can't pay off your karmic debt accumulated in physical existence - because you know your are bound to have social interactions and thus create Karma and on top of this you can't remember fuck all from past lives - you still owe the gods from an infinite number of dimensions!! Talk about spiritual fiat currency.

And this fucking idiot keeps using the story of Jesus to further brainwash people when the christian doctrine has nothing to do with Karma for reasons I already explained in another post... way to gain the minds of the West.

I have already mentioned this but if anyone is interested in the other lectures given by Master Li Honzhi around the world you can find them all here:

I really hope no one is apart from studying it to further understand how mind control works.

What you mentioned about Falun Dafa been unable to resist or stop the Chines Communist Party is not true. The CCP has one of the strongest armies, police and economies in the world aswell as some of the harshest prisons conditions in the world. It manages to quell most dissent very quickly, within a few days.

It has placed a vast amount of resources in trying to crush Falun Dafa and it's people yet it can't. It can't do anything against them and instead Falun Dafa has now spread to many other countries and has been translated to over 40 languages worldwide. The CCP is actually petrified of Falun Dafa, it knows that the evil deeds that it has been involved with are now being exposed worldwide and it is been shown to the world what this Party truly is, an evil demonic frightened wretch that wants to crush Goodness and Kindness.

Why can't the Communist Party destroy Falun Dafa? It's the same reason why the Roman's couldn't destroy the Christianity in the past. Once people awaken to the Truth and Goodness in their hearts they will protect and guard it with their lives.

The communist party is alive and well despite all the attrocities it has committed and despite all the exposure their actions have to the rest of the world and their own people... just like the Vatican.

LMAO at the chinese commies being afraid of Falun Dafa, they could just have mass murdered the people in China just like the Teutonic Order did with the pagans of Lithuania, but that kind of stuff is bad for public relations nowadays. Why not crush Falun Dafa? Well if they are helping to brainwash the population, then they are a valuable asset

The romans didn't destroy christianity completly because it was a great tool to bring the pagan nations into a single banner. I mean the similarities with paganism were capitalized at first to assimilate people, when enough people converted to christianity it was time to rape the pagans and force them to obey or die. Now look around, christianity is a bloody cancer... at least the exoteric stuff is.

If Falun Dafa is capable of numbing people, then the spheres of power don't have to worry about erradicating it. People who practice Falun Dafa are too worried about Karma to be any threat to the status quo.

The concepts of sins and karma being a universal law of the universe is taught by all the various upright saints and enlightened ones in the past. To understand this concept a little more I have managed to find a few more lecture exceprts on this topic:

Yeah taught by all the people who are too noble to shit and too narcissistic to avoid an opportunity to be adored by seas of ignorant people.

This guru of Falun Dafa plays around with dialectical ideas to break people down. You can only be cleansed of Karma by having a master do it for you, but at the same time you are the one who has to clean it and no one else can do it for you.

You are can clean your Karma and get a paradise in the distant future, but at the same time you can't because you are bound to keep accumulating Karma.

No one can interpret the Falun Dafa dogmas for other people. Hierarchy is undesirable, that's a no no... but only Li Hongzhi can interpret this for you and he is your saviour.

In short, this thing is a cult which plays around with people's anxiety and their crave for a paradise in some far away dimension. It uses Tai Chi and Chi Kung to make people believe that Falun Dafa is some sort of miracle.

Come on everybody!! get your free doses of spiritual indoctrination.

[Dex]

Great post reaver -- thank you for addressing those points. I hope the OP can see through your tone and perhaps question his/her assumptions (a challenge for most evangelists).

Chinese seem to really take to the idea of debt by default. That is how they and others justify human trafficking as well. And this inverse compassion business certainly takes empathy right out of the equation (huge NLP mind fuck. Agreed).

But hey, what's wrong with getting reincarnated as a leprechaun reaver?? Sounds like a fun life.

Added: thanks also for refuting the idea that Spanish invaders were morally superior to Incas and Mayans.

[EnergyGem]

Reaver wrote:

Fucking hell this Falun Dafa mambo jumbo is really dangerous.

Falun Dafa is actually one out of the 84,000 Schools in Buddha Law and it's true purpose is in the cutlivation of Buddhahood. People recognize a few of the teachings in today's society like Zen Buddhism, Tantrism, Pureland and Tendai etc. There are infact many more teachings and Falun Dafa is one of those teachings. It is infact a teaching on how to cultivate Buddhahood and it is not just for healing and fitness like some Qi Gong teachings are. Also, Falun Dafa has a very ancient history predating China's history and infact all of mankinds recorded history. To get an overview of exactly how ancient Falun Dafa actually is here's a fascinating excerpt on Qi Gong and Prehistoric Culture from Zhuan Falun:

Qigong Is a Prehistoric Culture:

http://falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_14.htm

Originally Posted by EnergyGem:


Your quite correct reaver, the Mayan/Aztec societies indeed become very indulgent, corrupt and demonic during their later stages and were thus eradicated. The Spanish settlers where Catholic and they could see that what these societies had descended to a very vile level. In Jesus's time he never wanted to form religions and so forth, he just wanted people to be good and wanted their minds and hearts to return to righteousness. People after Jesus's time created religions to honour Jesus and his teachings however God's do not care about formalities like religions, they just look at a persons mind and heart. But in saying that religions when practiced Truthfully and without corruption can allow mankinds morality to stay at a reasonably high level. The Spanish settlers certainly weren't perfect but their society still was far more moral then what the Aztec's became, they didn't sacrifice live people to appease there 'God' so to speak.

Reaver wrote:

Taking the story of Jesus in a literal sense is really dangerous and then you can end up with something like the Vatican. Simply put the literal versions and their cute stories are fed to people who are too stupid to think. The people who created institutionalized christianity didn't want to honour some man in rags, they developed one of the finest tools for control the world has ever seen. The spanish society wasn't far more moral than the Aztecs nor Mayans, they just had better technology. The inquisition began in the 12th century and it was used as a tool of mass murder and control, it didn't matter if you were christian, pagan or muslim, a lot of the Inquisition's trials ended up with public executions . The crusades had sacrifices to them, erradicate the infidels in the name of the Lord... and that's just the tip of the iceberg... so to the idea that the spanish society with their christian BS were far more moral than the societies in the American continent is quite laughable.

Your correct Reaver, the ancient enlightened ones like Buddha Shakyamuni, Jesus, Lao Zi and the ones before them placed no importance in religions and didn't teach religion to people. They taught there 'Law' on how to be a virtuous and good person so that he may return to the Truth, thats what true cultivation is. Later people formed religions around their teachings, they compiled the various things these Enlightened Beings had taught and wrote books about them and began to form gatherings and social groups around these teachings. Many things were translated incorrectly through time and the people and many things were also lost or never recorded accurately.

Gods and enlightened beings place no importance on formalities, religions and rituals, they only care about a persons heart and mind. If your a good and kind person and don't follow any religion and don't even beleive in one it can be said you are cultivating already. If you beleive and follow 'Truthfulness', 'Compassion' and 'Tolerence' and you resonate with such virtues it can be said you are already practicing Falun Dafa.

Religions in time indeed have become to be corrupted and used for various nefarious reasons such as political power and other bad things and they have even been used to wage wars and to persecute people. But again Religion is not what Jesus wanted or what Buddha Shakyamuni wanted. It was people themselves that formed them and they began not to follow what the enlightened ones taught but instead began to follow the religions themselves. Didn't Jesus teach turn the other cheeck? Ofcourse people nowadays find it hard to follow such a teaching and instead use religion as a tool for there own purposes.

In saying that however, a religion if it is practiced purely and followed in accordance to what the enlightened beings spoke about can keep mankinds morality at a quite high level. Christian and Buddhists that follow their doctrines purely and in accordance with these great Teachers orignal words and without defilement are usually good people.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem:

Falun Dafa is actually based on the principles of "Truthfulness" "Compassion" and "Forebearance". No money is involved, people practice when and where they choose and people come and go as they choose, no one forces anyone to practice. How is that a cult? Cults usually have members join them for money or power or other evil things and they make it so you cannot leave or other bad things like that. That is what a cult usually refers to.

Reaver:

Yeah anyone can start a new religion/doctrine/system and promote ideas of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forebearance. Hell those are principles found in organized religion. If you think that a cult is just about making money then you are terribly mistaken. Cults are not limited to "freaky stuff" like the Jim Jones crap. One of the core elements of a cult is the erradication of individuality by letting the leader figure/idea absorb it. Politics is a form of cult, fashion industry is a cult, the film industry is a cult and it's not like they go on forcing people at gun point to buy into it.

You don't need to charge money to start a psychological tyranny, you only need to own people's minds. It's not good to have people's money if you can't own their minds, simple as that. Now in the current paradigm not many would see politics, fashion nor films as permutations of cults because they are the norm and those people are fucking insane and they happen to live within an insane environment.

Culture, cultural, cult. The term may be relatively new, but the dynamics are really ancient.

Cults, the way cults are usually known is that people are doing something against there will in some form or another for whatever reason and groups are formed around them. Usually there is money involved and the person that is in charge of the Cult usually has bad, selfish intentions veiled as something righteous and good to trick people.

It can be said that if one lives in accordance with 'Truthfulness' 'Compassion' 'Forebearance' he is already practicing Falun Dafa. If you are kind and good to others, guard your virtue and don't fight back or manage to Forebear when people hurt you and you don't hurt people in return and instead help them and have Compassion for them then you are already practicing Falun Dafa. If you follow these virtues and they are already in your heart you are already practicing Falun Dafa or what the ancients called "Being in the Dao without practicing the Dao". You don't have to read any books or scriptures at all. True cultivation is about you, no one can do it for you. It's about your own mind and your own heart and it's about looking inside yourself and cultivating your mind, letting go of attachments so that you become a better person.

So in saying that how is that a cult? This is just a teaching on how to be a good person and kind person. This is a cultivation way for cultivating Buddhahood. In the ancient past they also had Masters that passed on their teachings to there disciples both in the Dao Schools and the Buddha Schools and they still do. Jesus also had his desciples and taught them is 'Law' and shared his wisdom with people that wanted to listen.

Falun Dafa is translated into english as 'Law Wheel Great Way' and is a powerful and holy Cultivation practice for the Cultivation of Buddhahood. When Buddha Shakyamuni was still alive he told his disciples that in the future the 'Holy King Who Turns The Law Wheel' will descend to the earth to spread the Law and save mankind. This isn't a normal cultivation practice for healing and fitness. This is something much higher and more profound.

One other thing that needs to be clarified here, people come and go from Dafa as they wish. Some people say they don't like those virtues of Good, True and Endure and they don't like the sound this Qi Gong for some reason or another and they aren't interested in learning it. Thats fine, no one will stop them, in every upright teaching it's totally up to the person weather he want to listen and is interested in learning a certain practice. In Christianity for example, people want to practice it themselves, they resonate with the core principles and feel in their hearts that it what Jesus taught was something good so they follow his teachings.

If someone doesn't want to practice an upright Law or Spiritual Practice or if it doesn't resonate with them then no one is going to intervene, they don't have to listen and nobody will stop them. They can do as they choose because every person has free will and every upright Cultivation respects that. How could someone force someone to Cultivate? How could someone force someone else to be Good? That would be a crooked practice then, anything the 'forces' anyone to do anything is a crooked practice full stop.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
What has been seen however is that many people that abide by the virtues of Falun Dafa and practice the exercises have many of there ilnesses healed and other good things like lighter moods and calmer, happier hearts. This is what a True and Good Cultivation technique manifests. Countless people attest to the healing and curative effects of Dafa as can be found here:

Reaver wrote:

So thousands of christians claim to healed by intense prayer and they claim to be more happy than ever. Countless people attest to the healing and curative effects of christian prayers. Again Falun Dafa has elements from Chi Kung so it is nothing extraordinary

Well the reason Falun Dafa has spread so quickly is mainly due to how many people have gotten there health back and their ailments cured in such a short period of time. Falun Dafa was mainly passed by people through word of mouth to become the most popular form of Qi Gong in China before the CCP began persecuting it. Literally hundreds of thousands and then millions of people started to practice when they heard stories of their family members, friends and neighbours getting there health back by practicing:

http://en.minghui.org/c/17/

In regards to Christian practice, I also believe prayer to be very powerful so I agree with you in that it may also have healing virtues.



From the link you provided:

Falun Dafa, also known as Falun Gong, is practiced by millions of people around the world. You may have read about it in the news, or perhaps come across Falun Dafa practitioners at a parade or some other civic event. It's also common to see a group of practitioners gathered in a park doing the gentle, slow moving exercises or sitting with their legs crossed in meditation.


Reaver wrote:

This is a marketing technique which plays on popular conceptions people have, especially the western mind-set.

Marketing usually involves selling something or money is involved somehow. These people are just practicing their meditiations in parks and other places and no one is coerced into anything. If someone is interested in the practice they may ask about it but thats about it.

Most people who practice the exercises daily and follow the teachings of Falun Dafa report improvements in their health. Often, these improvements are subtle, involving such things as relief from stress, better sleep, a "lighter" and more energetic feeling, and happier moods. Many others, though, such as those whose stories are collected in this book, report dramatic health improvements, including the disappearance of life-threatening diseases.

Reaver wrote:

Chi Kung and Tai Chi have these same effects, then again this shouldn't be mistaken for "psychological/spiritual" medicine. There are people who are in a terrific physical condition, but they are a mess in the inside. This includes people who follow Eastern methods too.

People that practice Qi Gong or Tai Chi usually have illnesses that Western medicine couldn't cure or Eastern herbal medicine couldn't cure so they might go to the parks to try there luck with a Qi Gong or a Tai Chi practice, thats usually how it goes. Are you saying that all the great Dao Masters and Buddha Masters are a mess inside? So all the people around the world that practice Buddhism and meditate and all the Yoga Masters are a mess inside right?

Your thinking makes no sense, there are millions of people and even scientific studies done that Meditation and Qi Gong exercises have health benefits for both the body and mind. Here's an interesting Youtube video on Qi Gong to check out for people that don't beleive in such things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfy2Tn52sxU

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
Many teachings and religions talk about man having sins, it isn't just Christianity but Judaism, Buddhism, Islam and various others teach that man is prone to sin or do bad things. From another Lecture by Master Li Hongzhi he expounds on the concept of sins a little more:

Reaver wrote:

Yeah they cause the individual to feel guilty, no wonder that similar patterns are found throught many religions. To say that humans are inherently flawed does wonders for the rulers of the masses.

So your saying that you can do bad things as much as you want and there are no reprecussions? You can kill, murder and hurt people and there is nothing that happens to you and you are not held accountable to your actions? People who are in a materialistic mindset might beleive it to be so but let me tell you, the Spiritual implications of doing evil are always balanced. 'As you sow so shall you reap' is true and the universe is fair to all beings, people may think they can do as they wish and that when they die it's all over with and they don't have to pay for their wrongdoing but thats not how it is at all. All the great Enlightened beings taught mankind about things such as sins and Karma to help them realize that doing evil things will result in retribution, such things fall on deaf ears to some but the Truth of the matter is that the Spiritual Laws of Universe balance and judge everyone.

Originally Posted by Li Hongzhi
“Let me tell you what compassion is. People in the society of ordinary people think that if they live quite comfortably with no disasters or hardships, if each day is pleasant and carefree, and if they’re not short of money and have everything they need, then God is compassionate toward them and is being really good to them. Let me tell you though, that God isn’t like that. If He were really that way, He would be being terrible to people.

Reaver wrote:

What god is he talking about anyways? Zeus? Jehova? Seth? Loki? Thor? Santa Claus? Elvis Presley?

There are many Gods in the heavens. Ancient cultures had described many of them in there time such as the Greek, Norse, Egyptian and Celtic Gods as well as the Chinese and South American pantheon of Gods. There are many Gods in the heavens. Buddha Shakyamuni once said there are more Tathagatas in the Heavens then there are Grains of Sand in the Ganges River.

That’s because human reasoning is totally reversed. You know that people living in this world are bound to have social interactions, and so they will accrue karma. Jesus said that people have sins. Because they have sins they dropped down to this dimension of ordinary people. They are accruing karma in this dimension and committing sins lifetime after lifetime. By wanting to be comfortable, aren’t you unwilling to pay for your karma?

Reaver wrote:

Ah yes, people are bound to have social interactions so they are fucked, they'll get Karma. This guy doesn't even know what he's talking about when he brings Jesus into the equation. In the typical christian conception Humans are in this world because a woman and a man ate a fucking apple and the psychopathic demiurge didn't like to see his serfs eat from his apple tree. So the human race ended up here because of a prissy little bitch aka Jehova. Oh yes dare anyone try to improve their physical conditions because then they accumulate Karma, they must suffer and learn to love suffering... guess how the rulers of the East have managed to mantain power.

Don't people do bad things to each other? Don't people harm,kill and hurt each other in many different forms? These are 'Social Interactions' that Master Li was referring to. So you think that people can just go ahead and harm others, kill others and hurt others and that there will be no spiritual repercussions? Many may believe that but that is not how it really is, the death of body is not the death of the soul and it is the soul that will be judged on the deeds it has done while on this plane of existence.

You can also say that scientists believe that the universe and all it's Laws came about from absolute nothingness, and that from this nothingness for some reason a massive explosion occurred which they call the big bang. This is contrary to the rule of cause and effect and it doesn't answer where and why such an explosion came about. This is the 'miracle' that science needs in order to explain there version of existance.

There are a multitude of ancient cultures that had there creation stories. One should look at these stories as allegories and not to be taken in their literal form. It is hard to describe the things that occurred in other dimensions and heavenly realms so allegories need to be used as the human language is a crude tool to define spiritual ideas and concepts.

If you don’t pay for the karma and you accrue more in this life, in your next life you won’t even get a human body—you might reincarnate into something worse. And if you accrue still more karma you can only fall towards hell. If you fall even further you will be destroyed. Then when it’s looked at in light of this principle, tell me, how should God treat you if he is to be considered “good to you”? That’s what causality is.

Reaver wrote:

Yeah so that's an easy way to explain the state of decay of this world. I mean this crap is like compund interest. Humans are bound to have social interactions which in turn is bound to create Karma... rinse and repeat through "God" knows how many lifetimes and now you reincarnate as a motherfucking leprechaun. And hey look! he plays around the idea of self destruction if you don't become a goody-two-shoes.

I have already explained this fact clearly. Man cannot just do as he wishes, causing misery to others and hurting other sentient beings and think there is no repercussions for his actions. These are the 'Social Interactions' that Master Li was referring to. Ofcourse there are also still many kind people that do good things for others and are kind to others, these people acquire virtue and there futures will be bright. Some people do not believe in spiritual matters, they think that this one physical dimension that our eyes perceive is all there is to the Universe and that there is nothing more. However even science is uncovering fascinating things such as Dark Matter, Dark Energy, David Bohms Implicite order and M theory which point to the fact that our world is very much multidimensional in nature and what science currently understands is just the tip of the iceberg.

Here is an interesting quote on such matters from a exceprt by Master Li Hongzhi:

The Confines of Modern Science and the Breadth and Profundity of Buddha Fa

Even with the Dharma that Buddha Shakyamuni imparted, human beings have been able to sense the vastness of Buddha Fa. But the Fa is simply enormous—truly so. What Buddha Shakyamuni taught was, given his level, Tathagata Fa. And even that seemed very high to ordinary people. In the past, only a Tathagata could be called a Buddha. Neither a Bodhisattva nor an Arhat was a Buddha; neither had reached the realm of a Buddha. So it used to be that whenever someone said the term “Buddha,” it was referring to a Tathagata. But Tathagata is not the highest status in the universe; rather, it is the lowest level of Buddha. And among the Buddhas, only those at the lowest level look after ordinary human affairs. Buddhas of too high a level cannot do so, for the moment they opened their mouths, changes on Earth would occur. How could that be allowed? They can’t get involved in the least. It is thus Tathagatas alone who look after human things. Tathagatas don’t personally handle things, however. It is Bodhisattvas who do things to save people. So even just attaining the level of Tathagata is extraordinary.

At the microscopic level [a Tathagata] can perceive three thousand chiliocosms in a single grain of sand. In Buddha Shakyamuni’s teachings there is the theory of three thousand chiliocosms. He said that in the Milky Way there were three thousand planets resembling that of man, containing lives identical to human beings. There are in fact more than three thousand. He also said that there are three thousand chiliocosms in a grain of sand. That is, in but a single grain of sand there exist three thousand worlds like this that man inhabits, something unfathomable. When the celestial eye is opened, one can see things as if they are magnified, and see tiny things such as those at the microcosmic level. But, just imagine this. There are three thousand chiliocosms in a single grain of sand. Then, the three thousand chiliocosms in that grain of sand have seas and rivers in them, don’t they? Then, are there another three thousand chiliocosms in the sand of those rivers? So, even Buddha Shakyamuni had not seen the origin of matter. He thus said, “Its smallness is such that there is no interior,” meaning that it is so small that the origin of matter is imperceptible.

Today physics can merely figure out that a molecule is made up of atoms, and that an atom is made up of a nucleus and electrons. Further into the microcosm there are quarks and neutrinos. And that’s as far as it can go, that is all. Then what is, moving further downward, the origin of matter? Not even microscopes can detect quarks and neutrinos. Their existence is known only through the help of other instruments. As for answering what lies further down, man’s technology falls woefully short. As to large things, man believes that planets are the largest objects. But that’s not how Buddha Shakyamuni saw it. What Buddha Shakyamuni saw was in fact very sizable. He discovered that planets were not the largest. Peering further upwards, he couldn’t see the zenith, however. In the end he thus said, “Its largeness is such that there is no exterior.” So his statement that, “Its largeness is such that there is no exterior; its smallness is such that there is no interior,” meant that it is so large there is no boundary to it, and so tiny that its bottom cannot be seen.

Living beings are complex, and the structure of the universe is extremely complex. The knowledge possessed by man today has reached its peak. Having peaked, it has become something that limits the development of man’s science. For example, many accomplished scientists have set forth axioms in the fields of physics and chemistry. Within the confines of those axioms, what they say indeed holds true. And it’s fine to build upon them. However, truth is a many-tiered thing. When you surpass their axioms, you will find that the axioms have in fact served to limit people.

Things are no different for the science of recent times. Some people set forth a definition of science, and so something is considered “science” only if it conforms to that definition. And when you stay within its boundaries, everyone thinks that is science. When you go beyond its definition, you discover that it has served to limit mankind’s advancement. Nothing that is intangible or invisible is allowed for there, so the limitations it imposes are significant. The Buddhas, Daoist deities, and Gods we speak of exist in other dimensions that man cannot touch or see. Then if those beings were to be discovered using the methods of today’s science, wouldn’t that make them scientifically proven? It would! But the West has set forth a definition of science, and anything that modern science is unable to explain gets categorized as theology or religion, without exception. It dares not acknowledge such things.

Western science has gone to an extreme. The Buddhist school holds that everything goes through the stages of formation, stasis, and degeneration. Formation means taking shape, while stasis means remaining in a certain phase. The science from Europe, confined by the framework it established, now finds itself unable to advance further. Were it to keep probing downward, what might be discovered would be something beyond the boundaries of its science. So it categorically lumps these things together as religion or theology. But if someone discovers things that don’t exist in the present body of scientific knowledge, and does so by way of man’s modern science and technology, or discovers things that are intangible and invisible and studies them with the scientific method of our day, isn’t that scientific? The problem is that the definition of science has long been set in stone, and anything beyond its boundaries is categorically denied. No room is thus left for further progress.

And there are some scientists, figures who are considered “accomplished” in certain fields, who have set forth a great many axioms. These scientists, such as Newton and Einstein, were very accomplished by the standards of ordinary people and could perceive far more than the average person. And the axioms they set forth, as with their scientific legacy, stands as a wealth of valuable knowledge. But that said, any research that takes place or understanding that’s arrived at via working within the boundaries of their thought is bound to observe certain patterns. If those who come after them work completely within the theoretical frameworks of these scientists, posterity will never surpass them nor experience new breakthroughs.

When someone’s discovery or invention surpasses the confines of previously held axioms, it will be realized that the axioms set forth had been restricting people. That’s because there are higher forms of knowledge, and higher truths, to be found at higher levels. A good example is our knowledge of matter. It used to be that the smallest particle of matter known to man was the atomic nucleus. That’s no longer the case, however, for now there are quarks and then neutrinos. The point is that human beings have continually learned more about such things. But a new axiom itself will, upon the discovery of something else, serve as yet another restriction. Such is the case. The fact is that such axioms usually serve to limit people.

Einstein was no ordinary person. He found what religion, and even theology, taught to be true. Man’s understanding of the physical world is limited to the knowledge of human beings, much like the scientific axioms that have been set forth. Were people’s research to truly probe deeper, and their endeavors to progress further, they would find what religion has taught to be true. The lives that exist on a plane one level higher than man thus represent a science and technology one level higher, and their understanding of the world via the science and technology at their command surpasses that of ordinary human beings. That is why Einstein, upon having reached the pinnacle of human science and technology and then probing deeper in his work, found what religion taught to be fully real. In recent times many scientists and philosophers have ultimately turned to religion—and these are persons of quite some accomplishment. By contrast, those who are currently paralyzed by the limitations set forth by contemporary science and their blind faith in it categorically brand those things [beyond the reach of science] “pseudoscience.”

What do I view as true compassion (cibei), then? If a person is truly good, he will encounter many, many hardships in this life. The goal is to have him pay his karmic debts in the midst of these hardships, to seize this lifetime in which he has a human body and quickly pay for all of it. After all debts are repaid he can go up to a heavenly paradise to enjoy happiness forever. So he will suffer when among ordinary people.

Reaver wrote:

What a twisted logic, if you are really good then you must suffer and get raped by the cultural leviathan. I bet the victims of the Inquisition paid off all their debts real quick. This is fucking stupid, if this Karma shit was true then why the hell are there billions of people in deep shit? Think TPTB there haven't been many of them when you compare their numbers. You would think that at this point in time there would't be as many people being opressed... but guess what? it's the other way around. And yes after your psyche has been completly fucked you can dream about tomorrow's paradise, you can't have a today.

Mankind doesn't just live this one life. In the ancient Buddhist teachings they teach that mankind is within the wheel of Samsara or the wheel of reincarnation and that a person's soul doesn't die. If a person's soul doesn't die then how many times may have he been reincarnated? He may have lived many many lives and done some bad things in each of those lives, in some lives he may have even killed people or done other really bad things. This is how a person acquires such large amounts of Karma.

Didn't Jesus preach to his disciples that mankind has sins? It's the same principle. From many lifetimes mankind as accrued much debt or Karma from doing bad things? Karma and Virtue are real tangible things in other dimensions. How does one acquire Virtue? By doing good things for others. How does one aquire Karma? From doing harm to other sentient beings. These two things, Virtue and Karma truly fundamentally exist.

They can have an interchange from social interactions. For example someone hits you and yet you don't stoop to his level and punch him back, you shrug your shoulders and take the pain, you suffered the insult and the pain. Your the one who lost out in this affair, you truly did suffer from it. The assailant one out over you in this dimension but there is a law in the Universe, no loss, no gain, to gain you must lose and if you don't want to lose you will be made to lose. Who governs this law?, it's the Universe that does. So that guy that hit you one out over you, he's seen as the winning party but what does he lose? He loses some of his virtue and gains some Karma, however hard he hit you is how much Karma he gains and how much virtue he loses which is flung over to you.

Weren't you the person that suffered? You endured the pain so what do you gain? Don't you gain virtue? And what do you lose? Don't you shed some of your Karma? This is how the 'Social Interactions' truly play out in other dimensions yet mankind cannot see this. Another thing to point out is that Cultivators do not intentionally look to Suffer, like going out somewhere to find suffering, it's not like that. Instead Cultivators simply Guard their Virtue out in their day to day affairs, if someone short changes them, hits or curses them they may quietly forebear it or brush it off and not act like that other person. They took the punishment so to speak and they didn't fight back but they didn't intentionally want to suffer.

Jesus taught the same principle when he said that if someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Think about it, then: What is true compassion? Buddhas ’ take on things is completely different from that of human beings. Ordinary people think that Buddhas or Gods are compassionate to people if they let them enjoy ordinary, human fortune. They complain to heaven and earth when they suffer, “Oh, God, why do you forsake me? I’m a lost soul! ” By having you pay for karma , God is taking care of you so that you may return. How wonderful it is to return to a place where there is no birth , annihilation, or falling downwards. That is true compassion”.

Reaver wrote:
Lol that's an Orwellian god. I don't see how self annihiliation is true compassion, if anything that's true psychopathy or self-sadism.

There has been no mention of self annihiliation, it's just guarding your virtue and not acting like the other person if someone badmouths you or mistreats you in some way. You guard your virtue and brush it off and don't act the same as that other person, many people might say that's weak but that's not weak at all. That show's that person has great restraint and doesn't stoop down to the other persons level, he has great endurance and he forebears the pain inflicted upon him and guards his virtue. I mentioned this interchange of Karma and Virtue in my previous paragraph.

Say a person came to the world and has reincarnated lifetime after lifetime . You have no idea how many lives and how many lifetimes you’ve been through. But in each and every lifetime you have accrued many debts to others and done much wrong. Some people came from various levels and have reincarnated onto this earth. They did wrong things as they were descending step by step, which is to say they’ve spent time in some high-level dimensions.

Why couldn’t they remain in those dimensions? It’s because over there they again did bad things and descended further; they did bad things again and descended even further. So the debts accrued from doing wrong in the heavens were owed to gods. The gods in the heavens won’t allow a human being to return to the heavens! Without a Master to teach you, without a master looking after you, you could never return no matter how great your abilities.

Reaver wrote:

Modern day bankers would be proud of this bullshit, heck this is their wet dream. Basiclly you are really fucked because not only you can't pay off your karmic debt accumulated in physical existence - because you know your are bound to have social interactions and thus create Karma and on top of this you can't remember fuck all from past lives - you still owe the gods from an infinite number of dimensions!! Talk about spiritual fiat currency.

You cannot say that people don't do bad things. Human beings harm one another, sometimes seriously. They may steal, kill, rape or do other evil things to others. Tell me then, do you think people can just do that as they please and that it is ok? That there are no 'debts' or 'Karma' incurred by such actions? So people can just do anything they want right? They can just hurt others recklessly as much as they want and then they just die and forget about it all? Would that be a fair world then? To let people do as they please with no Spiritual Law in check to keep people from Sinning? That would be a truly Evil. The Truth of the matter is, every person is accountable for his or her actions and there is a Universal law that balances peoples deeds, whether good or evil.

Ofcourse there are still many good people too that don't harm others and do good things for others, being kind and doing good things for others also builds of Virtue.

And this fucking idiot keeps using the story of Jesus to further brainwash people when the christian doctrine has nothing to do with Karma for reasons I already explained in another post... way to gain the minds of the West.

Karma and sins are one and the same thing. It's just that the principle was taught in a different way but they are exactly the same thing. Karma is aquired when one hurts another sentient being or does something bad to another, this is the same concept as a sin.

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
What you mentioned about Falun Dafa been unable to resist or stop the Chines Communist Party is not true. The CCP has one of the strongest armies, police and economies in the world aswell as some of the harshest prisons conditions in the world. It manages to quell most dissent very quickly, within a few days.

It has placed a vast amount of resources in trying to crush Falun Dafa and it's people yet it can't. It can't do anything against them and instead Falun Dafa has now spread to many other countries and has been translated to over 40 languages worldwide. The CCP is actually petrified of Falun Dafa, it knows that the evil deeds that it has been involved with are now being exposed worldwide and it is been shown to the world what this Party truly is, an evil demonic frightened wretch that wants to crush Goodness and Kindness.

Why can't the Communist Party destroy Falun Dafa? It's the same reason why the Roman's couldn't destroy the Christianity in the past. Once people awaken to the Truth and Goodness in their hearts they will protect and guard it with their lives.
The communist party is alive and well despite all the attrocities it has committed and despite all the exposure their actions have to the rest of the world and their own people... just like the Vatican.

Reaver wrote:

LMAO at the chinese commies being afraid of Falun Dafa, they could just have mass murdered the people in China just like the Teutonic Order did with the pagans of Lithuania, but that kind of stuff is bad for public relations nowadays. Why not crush Falun Dafa? Well if they are helping to brainwash the population, then they are a valuable asset

The romans didn't destroy christianity completly because it was a great tool to bring the pagan nations into a single banner. I mean the similarities with paganism were capitalized at first to assimilate people, when enough people converted to christianity it was time to rape the pagans and force them to obey or die. Now look around, christianity is a bloody cancer... at least the exoteric stuff is.

If Falun Dafa is capable of numbing people, then the spheres of power don't have to worry about erradicating it. People who practice Falun Dafa are too worried about Karma to be any threat to the status quo.

How can they be brainwashing people by teaching people to live by the principles of "Truthfulness" "Compassion and "Forebearance"? Like I mentioned earlier there is no need for any formal congregations, one can practice on their own and if you truly live by 'Truthfulness" "Compassion" and "Forebearance" you are already practicing Dafa in your heart.

In regards to mass murder, they have actually been doing that, but not just murder, torture, rape and organ harvesting is also what the CCP do to practioners:

http://www.faluninfo.net/topic/7/

They cannot murder all the practioners as they do not know who or where all the Practioners are, with now over 100 million practitioners in China, most practice in private now for fear of being persecuted and sent to a concentration camp or worse. You have put so much emphasis on trying to discredit and hurl insults at Falun Dafa yet not once did you even mention the dispicable acts that are done by the CCP against people that just want to peacefully practice their spiritual belief.


The CCP are actually afraid of Falun Dafa, recently Cisco Systems has been caught in a scandal which involves it partaking in the 'Golden Shield Project' which they helped build for the Chinese Government. It is a vast Internet Firewall which tracks Falun Dafa practioners and tries to find out where other practioners may be so they can detain and persecute them:

http://fofg.org/2012/03/new-evidence...un-gong-suits/

So the Romans spent all this time persecuting Christians just so they could allow it to flourish later? Why persecute it in the first place if it's such a handy tool? They couldn't have predicted how they spread of a religion turned out, thats not in any Govenrments or societies hands. If that were true then why not just spread Christianity in the first place and save the resources and the trouble to persecute it in the first place? Your logic makes no sense. Why go to all that trouble?

The same can be said about Dafa. If Falun Dafa is an asset to the CCP why persecute them in the first place? Why don't the CCP let Falun Dafa flourish and let it spread and become more popular if it's such an asset to them? Why build a huge network Firewall like the 'Golden Shield Project' which tracks Falun Dafa practioners and filters and censors China's internet so that people cannot find the true situation of Falun Dafa? Why spend such huge sums of money on suppressing Falun Dafa when they can use this so called tool to supposedly 'brainwash' the masses to be good people and follow the principles of 'Truthfulness' 'Compassion' and 'Forebearance'? Why build special reformation Centres where they inject Dafa practitioners with all sorts of poisonous drugs to so call 'Reform' them?

The truth of the matter is the CCP is the antithesis of 'Truthfulness' 'Compassion' and 'Forbearance' and it cannot stand that people are practicing there own spiritual beleif quietly and peacefully and not harming anyone. They see the idea of a Noble Spiritual practice as deplorable in there Atheist Materialstic and Evil mindest so they set out on one of the most brutal persecution campaigns in Chinese History. The truth on the CCP and it's core values are expounded in detail here, they are a true 'Cult' in every sense of the word for all they worship is money, power, greed and are a greedy and corrupt mafia that tries to Crush anything Good and Kind:

http://ninecommentaries.com/

Originally Posted by EnergyGem
The concepts of sins and karma being a universal law of the universe is taught by all the various upright saints and enlightened ones in the past. To understand this concept a little more I have managed to find a few more lecture exceprts on this topic:

Reaver wrote:

Yeah taught by all the people who are too noble to shit and too narcissistic to avoid an opportunity to be adored by seas of ignorant people.

When Jesus preached his Law he taught the exact same principles about Sins and Karma as did Buddha Shakyamuni only it was worded slightly differently. Wasn't it said in the past that Jesus came down to save people? It was also said that Buddha Shakyamuni let his disciples depart by way of 'Nirvana' or reaching 'the other shore'. All enlightened beings had supernatural abilities although in our current scientific paradigm people beleive in such things less and less.

For example wasn't it written in the bible that Jesus healed people and cast out demons? It was also written that Moses parted the sea. Of course such thing people now regard as superstition and flights of fancy but even in todays society we can still see examples of people's supernatural abilities weakly coming through. Certain people still have such abilities as fortune telling, third eye vision, face reading, psychic premonitions and various other such things.

Theses are all mankinds innate abilities that have atrophied through time as mankind has become to rely on science more and more and come to ignore and even shun what the ancients had said, that mankind is actually a spiritual being that fell down from higher dimensional plains of existance to this current physical level of embodiment. When one cultivates in a high level Qi Gong for a very long time these innate abilities can becoming extremely powerful and all sorts of abilities can come out, healing abilities, telekenisis and other even greater other abilities will show up. Of Course abilities aren't the true goal of cultivation and they shouldn't be pursued, they are a by product of cultivation in a high level Qi Gong. The true goal of a righteous high level Qi Gong practice is to become enlightened and return to the Truth.

Great Ascended masters such as Jesus and Buddha Shakyamuni have cultivated to very high levels and the truths they have come to grasp and the wisdom they have come to understand is profound and comprehensive. They do have spiritual abilities that can 'save' mankind and help them ascend. Ofcourse whether you beleive in such things or not is a matter of comprehension or what in the West they called 'Faith'.

This guru of Falun Dafa plays around with dialectical ideas to break people down. You can only be cleansed of Karma by having a master do it for you, but at the same time you are the one who has to clean it and no one else can do it for you.

Falun Dafa doesn't play around with any ideas and doesn't break anybody down, thats what the Chinese Communist Party does. It just teaches people to follow Good, True and Endure and return to the Truth. Karma is something that great Enlightened Enlightened beings with Great Law power can help shed for people as Jesus had done when he died on the cross for his disciples. This is hard to understand from the current paradigm of 21st century science but it spiritual matters are a higher science so to speak.

Reaver wrote:

You are can clean your Karma and get a paradise in the distant future, but at the same time you can't because you are bound to keep accumulating Karma.

It is never said you cannot return to the heavens. Where was it written anywhere that that is so? If one cultivates in a righteous and true Cultivtion way the goal is to achieve Buddhahood, achieve a True Fruition and return to the Heavens, Jesus taught this in his Law also but he used different terminology.

Reaver wrote:

No one can interpret the Falun Dafa dogmas for other people. Hierarchy is undesirable, that's a no no... but only Li Hongzhi can interpret this for you and he is your saviour.

I'm not sure what you mean by this statement. Ofcourse there are levels and hierarchies in the heavens, even in the Buddhist scriptures they have Arhats, Boddhisatvas and Buddhas and in the West they have angels and archangels etc. If you do not beleive that Enlightened beings such as Jesus and Buddha Shakyamuni have spiritual abilities that can indeed save people up to high levels that is fine, no one is forcing you to beleive one way or another. They say having faith in a true teaching is important and even in Jesus's time he spoke alot about having Faith in him.

Reaver wrote:

In short, this thing is a cult which plays around with people's anxiety and their crave for a paradise in some far away dimension. It uses Tai Chi and Chi Kung to make people believe that Falun Dafa is some sort of miracle.

Come on everybody!! get your free doses of spiritual indoctrination.

The truth of the matter is Falun Dafa is a powerful and righteous Cultivation practice that has been passed down since ancient times and it's true goal is for Culivating Buddhahood, it is a profound and far reaching spiritual science that allows a person to purify his mind and lighten his heart and raise himself spiritually and finally achieve a True Fruition and break out of the Three Realms or as the ancient Enlightened ones had preached, return to the Heavens.

So what is Falun Dafa Actually?Here is the description From the introduction to Zhuan Falun:

http://falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_new_0.html